it's also nice to have a debate, even if the opponent sometimes uses some shoddy techniques of argumentation.
I am a member of a U.S. "minority" and as such let me disagree with your position. These will be very broad terms, and I mean to apply them only in response to the part of your post that I'm quoting above. I think the discussion at hand in this thread benefits from a closer, more subtle analysis than this response is going to suggest. That analysis has to take into consideration issues specific to writing, and to writing programs. I addressed those issues specifically in my one other post above. I've yet to see a response to that post, by the way. So that while it's well to talk about not policing certain people out of the thread, I find it ironic that--in a sense--my "minority" perspective is de facto silenced when no one cares to respond to it.
On to brass tacks.
In my experience, there are already enough devil's advocates to contend with where concern issues of "affirmative action." (I use quotes to indicate that I regard the terms equivocally--I only use them as a concession to the needs of the discussion.) If your right to study, to work, to obtain housing, etc. were likely to be challenged just as soon as not the next time you applied for this or that, you might agree with me on this position, too. As things are now, I see "affirmative action" as a poor substitute for what should theoretically be a true pluralism. Until we get closer to that ideal in real terms, "aa" is all we "minorities" often have to protect us against out-and-out prejudice.
From where I stand, one more devil's advocate is the last thing I want. Open dialogue, yes. Bickering and "shoddy techniques of argumentation," no.
Well said piratelizzy!
I haven't seen everyone agreeing with the issue on this thread at all as other posters have stated so that doesn't justify any ugliness. Believe me, if we were all on one accord with this issue...I would have noticed lol. I've seen (some) people be respectful when differing opinions are expressed and now those people are being called out as if they've done something wrong. That can't be helpful to the discussion either.
So if the person who posted that they'd been accepted originally had appeared to be a minority still but stated that they got in at Iowa, Michener, or any other school besides Indiana, would anyone have questioned the legitimacy of their acceptance? Is this just an Indiana thing? My guess is that it is not.
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