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kevin82


Mar 28, 2008, 12:11 AM

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Re: [Dinosaur] Final Tally [In reply to] Can't Post

Come to Virginia. We're awesome.


symmetrical


Mar 28, 2008, 1:05 AM

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Agreed... Michigan, then a distant second for UVA. Especially since I already live in Wisconsin, and moving to Houston sounds more like a punishment than a reward.


GDClark
George David Clark
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Mar 28, 2008, 8:50 AM

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I've got to disagree with the "hands down Michigan" poster. I'm biased of course, a current UVA poet, but I don't know that there's a program in the country that is demonstrably stronger than ours. In terms of funding Michigan's got us beat, but we get plenty to live on (I saved enough from the fellowship my first year for an engagement ring without having to get a second job), and, beyond that, going whereever the most money is seems a little silly, or at the very least anti-poetic. In the faculty arena Linda Gregerson and Thylias Moss are fine poets, but next to Charles Wright, Rita Dove, and Greg Orr you've got to give the edge to UVA. As for location, I don't know of a more scenic town than Charlottesville (right in the heart of the Shenandoahs, a couple hours from the beach, not too cold in the winter, not too hot in the summer). I hear that Ann Arbor, on the other hand, gets a bit chilly.

I didn't apply to Michigan simply because of the location, but I did get into a couple programs that offered me better funding (slightly). UVA was still the easy choice.


GDClark
George David Clark
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Mar 28, 2008, 8:56 AM

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One other item worth noting as you compare programs. At UVA you are not a "TA" in your second year. You get your own Introductory Poetry Workshop where you design the syllabus, you pick the texts, etc. A much nicer gig than your average written comp duty.


Raignn



Mar 28, 2008, 9:25 AM

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I'd have to say UVA would absolutely be my first choice out of that list. As the poster above me said (and clearly as a current student they have more knowledge) UVA is a poets dream! Then a tie between NYU (I mean it's NYU! Look at who they have! Where they are! And they are offering you money!!) and Houston (I don't know a ton about it, but I just hear good things in general).


spamela


Mar 28, 2008, 9:40 AM

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I'm probably going to draw ire from the St. Louisians on the board (and I mean you no harm, I swear), but I've been visiting relatives in St. Louis my whole life and I lived there for a little over a year and absolutely hated it. But I'm going to qualify that by saying that I was coming from Boston and I was probably spoiled by my former surroundings.

But here's why I disliked it: I had a hard time finding young, cultural activities. It's a driving (not walking) city and the drivers are terrible. The residential neighborhoods are almost all segregated. The Loop, which is ostensibly the "college" part of town, was pretty underdeveloped, the stores and restaurants pretty crappy. There was one awesome Ethiopian place, but not much beyond that. The one thing I loved about the city was Forest Park which is free and has a good art museum and one of the country's nicest zoos. I spent a lot of time at the zoo. Seriously.

St. Louis downtown is a bombed-out mess and doesn't really exist (or didn't in 1998--perhaps it's undergone a revival) except for the football stadium. Much of the rest of the city is bad urban sprawl. The area near the Arch actually is extremely dangerous. Of a group of my friends, I was the only one of us NOT to be mugged in a span of three years of St. Louis living (and I think it's because I moved away after a year and the rest of them stayed).

The "nice" parts of St. Louis (like the "nice" parts of Kansas City--i.e. Country Club place) are super bougie and not welcoming to student types. Though there are some great colleges in STL, it's just not a college city at all.

I found the students at Wash U to be snobby and privileged and THIS was in comparison to my classmates at Wellesley College. So you can imagine.

I'm sure there are great restaurants and parts of the city that are probably lovely, but after living there for a year, I still couldn't find them. And admittedly, I became discouraged and stopped looking at some point.

I bet it's a fine city to settle into with a family and a career, but if you're only going to be there for two years as a graduate student, I don't recommend it.


(This post was edited by spamela on Mar 28, 2008, 9:42 AM)


lapwing


Mar 28, 2008, 10:28 AM

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I'd echo the UVA boosters. You take only eight courses total, which must leave a lot of time to write. Traffic is annoyingly heavy in certain areas, but otherwise Charlottesville is a great town with just a bit more depth in terms of restaurants, bars, music, recreation, the arts, etc., than Ann Arbor. And, considering that you're interested in fiction as well, you might be able to take a workshop with Beattie, Casey, Eisenberg, or Tilghman -- not too shabby. In any case, congrats: you have some good options, to say the least :)


aev


Mar 28, 2008, 10:45 AM

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I'm from St. Louis. I no longer live there, but I still love it. I grew up in a residential neighborhood that was not segregated in the least. My family now lives in the city and they never drive. I worked in Forest Park for two years and walked to work every day. I also did my undergrad at Wash U and assume that there are 'spoiled and privileged' people everywhere. I had a great four years there. Having lived in St. Louis for 24 years, eight of which were in the actual city, I was not mugged once, nor were any of my friends.

I live in the south now, but I just visited my family in St. Louis over the weekend. Though the downtown used to be pretty much a ghost town, it's fairly amazing now - lots of shops, restaurants and things to do. I associate St. Louis with pretty incredible Cardinals games, lots of coffeeshops, restaurants and bars, an incredibly affordable and liveable environment, and lots of green space (Forest Park is wonderful, and right by Wash U).

I understand that if you're coming from another part of the country, St. Louis might not be Boston or New York City. But it doesn't really pretend to be either. It tends to get a bad reputation, and the reasons for that still elude me.


MissEsquire



Mar 28, 2008, 10:55 AM

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deferring [In reply to] Can't Post

Does anyone know about deferring? I know that I am able to defer, but am really considering it because I think the tuition at this particular school is outrageous and am not sure whether I want to go there. If you defer, are you locking yourself into attending that school the next year? Maybe I should just turn this school down and roll the dice again come fall.


(This post was edited by MissEsquire on Mar 28, 2008, 10:59 AM)


jerseycavalier


Mar 28, 2008, 10:58 AM

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Re: [sicofelephants] **WHERE??** [In reply to] Can't Post

The teaching load at UH is pretty heavy. If I go, I'm teaching a 1-2 my first year, then a 2-2 the next two years. But you get a full range of experience, comp your first year, lit your second year, and either lit or CW your third year, though PhDs get priority in CW assignments. I'm pretty excited about it, though I wish San Marcos would let me know what's up with the TA thing.

But since you are familiar with Houston the city, I was told that most students live in Montrose or The Heights. Do you know anything about these places?


rdowney


Mar 28, 2008, 11:10 AM

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Has anyone accepted an offer for poetry at notre dame? Conversely, has anyone declined an offer for poetry at notre dame? I am a wait list hopeful (my partner is going to University of Chicago for MAPSS).

OR

If you have been offered a spot are you likely to turn it down? I sound pathetic. I am in at Columbia College Chicago but I am not in love with the funding right now.


sicofelephants


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Mar 28, 2008, 11:35 AM

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Well, I lived in Houston for 18 years. Just north in the Woodlands suburb.

As for montrose and the heights...
They're both really "cool" parts of town. Montrose has a lot of apartments and older houses. If you're left wing, in college, younger than 35, gay or lesbian, a hippie or hipster, you probably live in Montrose. It's a very distinctive part of downtown. It's also pretty easy to walk around to all the shops and restaurants. The heights is one of the oldest neighborhoods of downtown. Lots of old, pretty, one and two-story houses. One of them has even been converted into "Fitzgeralds"; mostly local bands play there, but occasionaly more well-known ones. For other music there's always Fat Cats, The Proletariat, Helios, The Engine Room, and The Woodlands Pavillion (that's near me). The Woodlands is probably where you'll see REALLY big stuff. Radiohead has played there twice, and one of those times is this May. And if you really want some laughs, or maybe a genuine spiritual good time, you can always head to the Compaq center. It was formerly the Rockets basket ball stadium, but is currently the gigantic church of Joel Osteen.

Anyway, back to the heights. All my friends who live there usually team up with 2 or more friends to rent a house. Sure, there are apartments too, but having a house has its advantages. It's just a really pretty old neighboorhood within biking (or probably car would be safer) distance of some really nice eateries and other awesome parts of Houston. Houston is a HUGE city with a LOT of people who drive REALLY fast, hence why Montrose is nice for its more pedestrian-friendly streets.

One thing you HAVE to do when you go to Houston is eat at Empire Café and get one of their espresso granitas. When they ask you if you want chocolate syrup swirled in it, say yes. You can thank me profusely later. I could go on about all the museums, the medical district, and the absolutely fucking gorgeous Rice University campus where many people go running. Oak trees and palm trees shade pretty much every sidewalk in the areas of downtown and ivy covers a lot of the brick walls/buildings. I don't think anyone outside of Texas realizes how beautiful the city really is. All they know is its celebrity for fat people and pollution, neither of which are any worse than most major cities. Hope that helps...


sicofelephants


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Mar 28, 2008, 11:42 AM

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Oh, and the Mexican food EVERYWHERE. Holy freakin' god the Mexican food. That's all I gotta say about that. Get ready for your mouth to explode off your face.

This is true of most major cities in Texas, but if you have cable, you'll get 4-7 channels in Spanish. Personally, I feel that all the great food and the chance to watch Telemundo make the city awesome. I mean, you've never really watched good programing until you've watched Telemundo.


(This post was edited by sicofelephants on Mar 28, 2008, 11:45 AM)


southridge


Mar 28, 2008, 11:47 AM

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For poetry? I would take Univ. of Virginia over Michigan and all the others. Sure, it's less money, but you can get by on it and -- despite all the talk -- money ain't everything. The stipend at UVA isn't huge, yes, but it's enough to get by on in C-Ville. You don't want to go into debt for an MFA, but as long as you're breaking even on the deal, I think you're okay. (Talk of big funding, etc., seems to obscure the final goal: to write great work and collaborate with amazing writers. I understand if you've got a kid or two to support, but if you're young, single poet, poverty is the name of the game, you know? A couple years as a grad student on a tight budget never hurt anybody, and, in fact, could do a lot of people some good.) No insult at all to Michigan; it's one of the best, for sure. But, saying no to Charles Wright and Rita Dove...that's a heavy thought. The poetry faculty there is tremendous. Plus, if you want to dip into a little fiction, you've got Eisenberg, etc. I went to college about an hour southwest of C-Ville, but had a lot of friends there and went to visit often. It's a really cool place, and the town holds its writers in high regards.


beefilet


Mar 28, 2008, 12:45 PM

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final decision - Vermont [In reply to] Can't Post

I sent in my acceptance to Vermont College. I still haven't heard from Bennington or Warren Wilson, but because my sanity can't bear it anymore, I'm assuming they both rejected me. However I am really excited about VC, so that's a good thing.

I sent Louise Crowley an email letting her know I was accepting her offer (as was suggested here - thanks!) but haven't gotten any reply or confirmation. Should I expect something? Anyone else who's going to VC get any information about what happens next? I feel almost settled except I keep worrying that me email/deposit got lost and my place will taken...irrational worry, I know.


kakalep


Mar 28, 2008, 1:38 PM

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I echo the request about Notre Dame only for Brown. Supposedly I'm the first person in line for a spot at Brown for poetry. Waiting is killing me. No one from the Brown thread (which has been really inactive lately) has posted her decision here, except I have the feeling "ashirley" is going. I need to count five to know I'm out--anyone? Anyone? Of course, Brown will call me when someone declines. The idea that I could find out here first is mostly fantasy.


ejdifili
Emily

Mar 28, 2008, 1:46 PM

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Same inquiry about Notre Dame for fiction. I'm waitlisted there too, and am wondering if anyone will be declining an offer any time soon.

I guess April 15 is relatively soon, but if anyone is planning on backing out even sooner, I'd love to know :)


slackaye


Mar 28, 2008, 3:56 PM

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Re: [franz] Has Anybody Made a Final Decision? [In reply to] Can't Post

Just accepted a place at Johns Hopkins for poetry. Here's my tally:

IN: Johns Hopkins, Oregon, Emerson, U of Arizona

Waitlist: Michigan, NYU

Out: Cornell, Iowa, UMass-Amherst, Virginia

Hope that opens up a couple spots for folks who need them. Good luck the rest of the way. And... exhale.


writerle


Mar 28, 2008, 4:26 PM

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When did you email Louise? She's usually really good about getting back to people within a couple of days, though I imagine she's pretty busy at the moment. You could always call if you're concerned about your deposit. Both Louise and Melissa are very open and helpful.

I'm in my 4th semester at VC, so if you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to PM me.


bunnytutu


Mar 28, 2008, 4:35 PM

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Sorry Kakalep,
I've already turned in my acceptance...but I'm crossing my fingers for you. It must be painfully difficult knowing you are sooooooo close. I also recognize, because of their small acceptance rate, our positions may have just as easily been switched.


kakalep


Mar 28, 2008, 4:39 PM

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thanks, bunnytutu--it seems not everyone has turned their acceptances yet (so Admissions has told me) so there is still hope! maybe someday soon we will meet...

congratulations to you, by the way!

karen


beefilet


Mar 28, 2008, 4:47 PM

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I emailed Louise on Wednesday afternoon. I figured she's probably swamped which is why I haven't called or emailed back -- don't want to sound quite as desperate as I am. What happens after you send the deposit in? And yeah, so far I've only corresponded with her via email and she's been incredibly warm and helpful.
I have some more questions for you if you don't mind - mostly about what needs to happen before the first residency. I'll email you. Thanks!


bunnytutu


Mar 28, 2008, 4:58 PM

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Ooooh. That sounds like good news! And even though you haven't received the official acceptance (yet), you should really be proud you've come this far.

I hope to meet you too.

Thank you.

-Lisa


Gail30


Mar 29, 2008, 1:11 PM

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Help! FSU vs. Wyoming [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi all,

I'm kind of new to this posting business, so forgive me if I'm doing this wrong. Anyway, here's my dilemma (for poetry):

- In at Wyoming, with a TAship + stipend
- In at Florida State, on the waitlist for a TAship (without the TA position, funding doesn't look good...)

The program at Wyoming is small and everyone's been really nice and friendly, so I feel like I should go with Wyoming, but Florida seems like such a great program too (and more well-known). Then again, I may not get any funding at Florida, so is it really worth it?

Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated!!


pareidolia


Mar 29, 2008, 3:57 PM

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In Reply To
Hi all,

I'm kind of new to this posting business, so forgive me if I'm doing this wrong. Anyway, here's my dilemma (for poetry):

- In at Wyoming, with a TAship + stipend
- In at Florida State, on the waitlist for a TAship (without the TA position, funding doesn't look good...)

The program at Wyoming is small and everyone's been really nice and friendly, so I feel like I should go with Wyoming, but Florida seems like such a great program too (and more well-known). Then again, I may not get any funding at Florida, so is it really worth it?

Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated!!



Hey, I'm in a similar situation, but with different schools. I was talking to a few of my recommenders about what I should do. All of them said, hands down, to take the stipend and TAship. First, because of the obvious reason in avoiding debt and second, because teaching experience is a major plus once you graduate and look for a job. I also asked about how reputation factors into job opportunities and they said that more than anything, teaching experience and publications are looked at by prospective employers.

Besides, Wyoming is beautiful - I say go for it. Congrats on your acceptances and good luck.

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