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Anny Fang

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Oct 13, 2010, 3:40 PM

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Hi,

I am new here. Am still a college student. The reason why I ended up here was all because of this professor I took my first poetry class with. After that, I fell in love with poetry and decided to major in creative writing - poetry instead of dissecting people. I wrote a few poems but I desperately need some feedback. Anyone know good websites to get feedback from experienced writers? Also, I am also working on a creative fiction project and unfortunately, I just realized through workshopping that I'm not very good at fiction, apparently. Anyhow, the question is this: how can I let readers know that what I have written are thoughts of a person in a coma without revealing everything in the beginning? Oh, I don't want to italicize the whole thing. Thoughts?

Thanks!


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Oct 13, 2010, 3:59 PM

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Hey!

-- Zoetrope is cosidered to be a pretty good workshop site. (Ron Currie even used it to hammer his first book into shape).

-- Maybe you could kill two birds and dissect people *with* poetry?


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scribbulous
Anny Fang

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Oct 13, 2010, 7:08 PM

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Hey!

-- Zoetrope is cosidered to be a pretty good workshop site. (Ron Currie even used it to hammer his first book into shape).

-- Maybe you could kill two birds and dissect people *with* poetry?


Wow, thanks! I'm definitely going to check that out. Oh, regarding dissecting people, I tried that a couple times and it didn't work out very well. I'm still working on it though! =)


scribbulous
Anny Fang

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Oct 13, 2010, 7:14 PM

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Do you know if there are any good poetry workshop sites? I think Zoetrope is mainly for fiction?

=)


maybemd


Oct 14, 2010, 12:45 AM

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Zoetrope does have a poetry "building" but I don't know how good the feedback there might be.

Check out Blueline. They have a critique workshop, and they host a "thirty poems in thirty days" challenge: http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/

Best of luck and welcome to P&W!



BTW, anyone out there know some good physician-poets to recommend to scribbulous?


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Oct 14, 2010, 2:04 AM

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You mean besides William Carlos Williams?

(His story The Use of Force is pretty OK, too...but definitely not creepy at all.)

You might check out Eratosphere, too; I hear it's a respectable place to throw around some poesy. Peeps there might also be just a tad condescending and over-convinced of their own self worth, but...internet respectable, nonetheless.


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Anny Fang

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Oct 14, 2010, 9:20 AM

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Zoetrope does have a poetry "building" but I don't know how good the feedback there might be.

Check out Blueline. They have a critique workshop, and they host a "thirty poems in thirty days" challenge: http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/

Best of luck and welcome to P&W!

Thanks maybemd! The only problem is that I tried to register for Blueline but I can't read the code I'm suppose to enter to ensure I'm human. = =" help?

Thanks, I'll definitely check some dissection-related poems.

Also, what do you think about Poetry Critical? It looks like an ok place for workshopping. =)



BTW, anyone out there know some good physician-poets to recommend to scribbulous?



maybemd


Oct 14, 2010, 12:50 PM

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Found this: http://www.aamc.org/...rter/jan07/poets.htm

"If asked why they write, the physician-poets represented in this anthology would likely give reasons similar to those of other poets. To them, it feels natural to write poems; they experience a need to express themselves in this way. Additionally, medicine provides physician-poets with unusually broad and deep access to human suffering, as well as tenacity, heroism, love, and joy."


In nursing school, after witnessing my first birth, I was asked where I wanted to work what type of nursing I wanted to do -- after graduation. On an obstetrics floor, I said, because it was such a happy place. My classmates agreed. Our teachers passed a look between themselves.

I had decided to try to avoid sick people, people who were suffering and who might up and die on me.

The next day the nursing instructors passed out our patient assignments. I had just one, her room at the far end of the floor, many doors away from the nurses' station and the elevator bringing up waves of visitors towing bobbing balloons. She lay in bed, arms around her six-months-on belly. The baby had stopped moving two days before. She was waiting for the doctors to induce labor, to birth her dead child.

I remember her face, and her voice. She said the doctors had offered a memory-less twilight during delivery but she wanted to be able to hold her baby, after. She spoke of the names she and her husband had debated, the terrified frenzy they'd entered the morning she had woken but their baby didn't, and how he couldn't bring himself to visit her. She'd stopped crying the day after admission and now waited for the procedure that would allow them to carry on with their lives.

The instructors' next lecture was titled Nursing Care of the Dying and the Dead. I read Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, memorized cheyne-stokes breathing patterns, and practiced tying up eternally slackened jaws. When it came time to choose I went to the oncology ward and vowed that none of my patients would die alone.

Dissecting cadavers is part of coming to understand what it means to be a physician. Embracing death as part of life is beginning to understand what it means to be alive. And the best poetry, is the most alive.



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Anny Fang

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Oct 14, 2010, 2:32 PM

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maybemd,

Thanks, I was on the verge of tears when I read about the mother will her stillborn. Sometimes I wonder what poetry is for. It's art, a way to express, a way to make sense of the world, check, check, and check. Do poetry change people?


maybemd


Oct 16, 2010, 1:58 AM

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Does poetry change people? I'll split the question into two.

Does becoming a poet change the writer? Yes. You fell in love in that class. If the poet is lucky, there is frequent change, experimenting and learning. Sometimes the output is better for the effort, sometimes not.

Does poetry change the reader/listener? Maybe. You fell in love in that class. Bet other students did not. There are no guarantees from that side of the page.

I don't think it's a good idea for a poet to use a need to change the reader as their main motivator. How would you tell when you've succeeded? When the critics praise your work in a unified voice? When your work enters its 40th printing and you get the invite call to Stockholm? Or when parents finally admit they are immensely proud and happy their child became a poet? Do the work, write the poem, revise as best you can, then leave the reader to tend to their side of the deal.

Writing is so very difficult. If you some day, one day, do produce a line that moves the stars to tears, wonderful. But be prepared to discover stars don't have tear glands.
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"The writer's way is rough and lonely and who would choose it while there are vacancies in more gracious professions, such as, say cleaning ferryboats?"
"If you have any young friends who aspire to become writers, the second greatest favor you can do them is to present them with copies of 'The Elements of Style'. The first greatest, of course, is to shoot them now, while they're happy."
Dorothy Parker (1893 - 1967), American writer and poet

"If you really want to hurt your parents and you don't have the guts to be gay, go into the arts."
Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

"Writers are a little below clowns and a little above trained seals."
John Steinbeck, Quote magazine (18 June 1961)



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scribbulous
Anny Fang

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Oct 16, 2010, 2:45 AM

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Thanks maybemd,

I think what you say is true. I don't have the power to change how other people feel about poetry or my poems, but what I can do is write, write, write and revise, revise, revise to the best of my limited ability.


pongo
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Oct 16, 2010, 7:38 PM

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Keats and Goldsmith were physicians.


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Anny Fang

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Oct 16, 2010, 11:04 PM

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Keats and Goldsmith were physicians.


Thanks, Pongo. I like your screen name, by the way.


pongo
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Oct 17, 2010, 11:41 AM

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I find that I need to explain that it has nothing to do with Disney; it's from a Wodehouse character.


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Difficult Listening, Sundays from ten to noon (Central time), at http://www.radiofreenashville.org/.

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JeanC


Mar 4, 2011, 9:28 PM

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    Here is the advice I gave my daughter:
Write a _lot_ of poems. Throw most of them away. Read a lot of poems. Keep some. Re-write a lot of poems. Read books about poetry. Read everything. Live a lot. Observe everything closely. Write about everything. Nothing is taboo. In ten or twenty years, you'll think you might be good. (That has been my methodology.)

In the meantime, check your newspaper, library, and college for writing groups. Get active in them. If they don't offer critique sessions, suggest it to them. Get out into the world and live as fully as possible, because everything is meat for your writing teeth. Write every day--become a working writer. Then figure out what sort of work you will do to support yourself, because poetry won't pay the bills.

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