»

Subscribe | Give a Gift Subscription

Log In or Register | Help | Contact Us | Donate

Advanced Search

Main Index » Writing and Publishing » MFA Programs
creative writing ph.d. ?
Edit your profilePrivate messages Search postsWho's online?
You are not signed in. Click here to sign in.
If you are not a member, Register here!
137342 registered users
First page Previous page 1 ... 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 ... 84 Next page Last page  View All


abcd

e-mail user

Apr 24, 2010, 4:10 AM

Post #1926 of 2090 (31815 views)
Shortcut
Re: [LCGR28] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Congratulations LCGR28!

Houston came through with a pretty nice funding package for me after being on the waitlist til early April so I am very happy, too!


kliq


Apr 24, 2010, 9:28 AM

Post #1927 of 2090 (31792 views)
Shortcut
Re: [abcd] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Congratulations guys! I'm really happy to hear this board has successes. I'm currently at a low-paying office job that I hate so I keep hoping one of the two remaining schools come through for me.


bktv


Apr 24, 2010, 12:33 PM

Post #1928 of 2090 (31750 views)
Shortcut
Re: [abcd] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Congrats everyone!


kliq


Apr 29, 2010, 9:22 AM

Post #1929 of 2090 (30964 views)
Shortcut
Re: [bktv] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Out at Binghamton. No check on the ol' ego quite like every school deeming your work unacceptable.


abcd

e-mail user

Apr 30, 2010, 1:18 PM

Post #1930 of 2090 (30746 views)
Shortcut
Re: [kliq] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry to hear that, kliq. Sometimes positive encouragement doesn't work for folks but I will say that last year I applied and was rejected, as is the story with many people on this blog. Take heart! Or, drink up? Then take heart!


kliq


Apr 30, 2010, 1:30 PM

Post #1931 of 2090 (30740 views)
Shortcut
Re: [abcd] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for that! I'm still holding out hope for Georgia State. All is not lost.


TC3


May 12, 2010, 1:00 PM

Post #1932 of 2090 (29112 views)
Shortcut
Re: [kliq] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Final count for me:

Accepted at Nebraska and Binghamton, but not funded at either. Will decline both.

I'll try MFAs next app season (I have an MA).


Bagels


Jul 8, 2010, 8:22 PM

Post #1933 of 2090 (19784 views)
Shortcut
Re: [TC3] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey all,

Just read (took me a few days) this whole thread. Thanks to everyone for all the information and encouragement. My wife and I are both applying for PhDs in CW this winter; our chances of getting into the same program, we know, are nearly impossible. Before reading this we had a list of eight schools. We may now change the list to include schools that accept larger amounts of people. Anyone else applying this year? I'd love to chat. Thanks.


Lil Bit


Jul 11, 2010, 11:40 PM

Post #1934 of 2090 (19721 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Bagels] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure if I'm posting correctly. Forgive me. I'm new to this forum.

I have been considering applying for PhD in CW for some time now, but the more I research it, the less I'm sure it's the right track for me.

A little about me: I teach at a community college and have been doing so for the better of ten years. I have an MFA and have been able to squeak out some modest publications and awards along the way.

I want to pursue another graduate degree because, well, for one, I love being a student. Although I love reading, writing, and learning, I don't have a huge desire to be a scholar. I'm not that competitive, and I dislike academic posturing and ego. I do feel as if there are gaps in my lit knowledge, so I'd love to strengthen that. The college where I did my MFA was weak on lit courses.

Another reason I want to pursue a PhD in CW is for the community and mentoring. I thrive in that environment.

To be honest, I don't have lofty goals for teaching jobs. I'd be happy at a small liberal arts college or at a cc, depending on location. I love teaching students who are non-traditional.

I always talk myself out of a PhD, that it's not practical for my goals. My former profs, of course, say I should do it for various reasons: time to write, better jobs, etc.

Other misc info: I'm in my late 30s, married, no kids.

Any advice? Should someone like me go for a PhD?

Thanks!


MissEsquire



Jul 12, 2010, 5:09 PM

Post #1935 of 2090 (19689 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Lil Bit] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't really have any advice for you, but I'm sort of in the same boat. Finishing up an MFA this year, trying to decide whether to go for a PhD or go back to working in the field I was in before the MFA (which I loved) and writing nights/weekends/holidays. Also, would only do a PhD in a location where I want to live for 5+ years. Is it worth it if you're not 100% sold on being an academic?


LesK
Les
e-mail user

Jul 14, 2010, 11:12 AM

Post #1936 of 2090 (19631 views)
Shortcut
Re: [MissEsquire] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post


Quote
Is it worth it if you're not 100% sold on being an academic?


MissEsquire: I think it depends on what the percentage is. It's really difficult for me to imagine spending 5 years of my life working very, very hard on something that I wasn't either a) committed to or b) being paid relatively well for. Of course, for PhD programs, "b" isn't on the table.

I, personally, wouldn't do it unless I felt strongly that I wanted to teach afterward. Still, if that percentage is close to 100% and you feel like you could learn a lot and be deeply engaged by studies of literature, theory, etc., then sure, why not? Applying is a bit of an ordeal; however, it doesn't bind you to anything. More, the application process might help you decide (before it's too late) that the PhD just isn't for you.

It could be part of a multi-level plan for what to do next. Perhaps you could look into writing fellowships like the Stegner as well?

Regardless, good luck with whatever you decide.

-Les


LesK
Les
e-mail user

Jul 14, 2010, 11:28 AM

Post #1937 of 2090 (19626 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Lil Bit] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post


Quote
I have been considering applying for PhD in CW for some time now, but the more I research it, the less I'm sure it's the right track for me.


Given everything you've said, I'm not sure I understand why you think it's not the right track for you. Is it just the "academic posturing and ego" and that distaste for "competition" that you mentioned?

It seems to me that the right, supportive community could make this a non-issue. The University of Cincinnati, for example, doesn't seem at all cutthroat and competitive to me. In fact, it's a remarkably supportive community that seems to get really excited when one of us succeeds. I'm sure other programs feel like that...although it's possible to imagine some that don't. At UC, though, it's not at all like, say, a law school, where an A or B for me is predicated on how others performed.

Perhaps you could focus on community and ask current students how they feel about the community? Whether or not they feel like they compete with their peers? Or whether or not it feels like a supportive, encouraging community?

Again, I can't really speak for other programs, but I do imagine many, many of them are far more supportive than it might be, say, if you were getting a Lit PhD at Yale or something.

Regardless, good luck to you in making the decision.

-Les


Bagels


Jul 17, 2010, 1:23 PM

Post #1938 of 2090 (19545 views)
Shortcut
Re: [LesK] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Does anyone know the funding situation at Utah? Can't find anything on their web site. Also, how many people do they accept?


elissa
Elissa Field


Jul 17, 2010, 4:10 PM

Post #1939 of 2090 (19535 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Bagels] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Bagels, not an answer to your Q, but...

for anyone not going to a funded program (or even those who are?), do not overlook doing a FAFSA for financial aid. I never did any of that for undergrad, assuming it was for other folks, I wouldn't qualify, etc... I took advantage of it this year for coursework I had to complete for state teacher certification (and also did a private school version for my sons' school) and had thousands of dollars sent my way - not a loan. Between the Pell grant I was given (not toe mention the discount off the boys' school) and the part time writing teaching job I got, it is really the equivalent of having TA funding at a residency MFA. Just saying, be sure to look at all possibilities -- there may be opp's that surprise you.


http://elissafield.wordpress.com/
http://www.facebook.com/...p?id=100001772022683


(This post was edited by elissa on Jul 17, 2010, 4:12 PM)


gcsumfa


Jul 17, 2010, 6:19 PM

Post #1940 of 2090 (19521 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Lil Bit] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To

I want to pursue another graduate degree because, well, for one, I love being a student. Although I love reading, writing, and learning, I don't have a huge desire to be a scholar. I'm not that competitive, and I dislike academic posturing and ego. I do feel as if there are gaps in my lit knowledge, so I'd love to strengthen that. The college where I did my MFA was weak on lit courses.

Another reason I want to pursue a PhD in CW is for the community and mentoring. I thrive in that environment.

To be honest, I don't have lofty goals for teaching jobs. I'd be happy at a small liberal arts college or at a cc, depending on location. I love teaching students who are non-traditional.

I always talk myself out of a PhD, that it's not practical for my goals. My former profs, of course, say I should do it for various reasons: time to write, better jobs, etc.

Other misc info: I'm in my late 30s, married, no kids.

Any advice? Should someone like me go for a PhD?

Thanks!


It sounds like you're struggling with this decision, which is good, because it's such a big decision. If you accept an offer, not only will you be committing the next 4-5 years of your life to a grad program, but you will be committing to a career in academia.

I guess I'm of the belief that one shouldn't get a PhD in the humanities unless he or she is committed to the profession. The job market is so tight. The people who make it are the ones who can't imagine doing anything else with their lives, which means one must also "commit" to putting up with lots of academic BS. Positions at small liberal arts colleges, too, can actually require more non-writing related stuff and academic politics, because the professor has more responsibilities in a smaller department. You have to be more academically versatile for these kinds of jobs than in the big research U jobs (e.g, 2/2 or 3/3 load in one's area, often with grad students).

Good luck with your decision!


gcsumfa


Jul 17, 2010, 6:26 PM

Post #1941 of 2090 (19518 views)
Shortcut
Re: [LesK] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To

Quote
Is it worth it if you're not 100% sold on being an academic?


MissEsquire: I think it depends on what the percentage is. It's really difficult for me to imagine spending 5 years of my life working very, very hard on something that I wasn't either a) committed to or b) being paid relatively well for. Of course, for PhD programs, "b" isn't on the table.


I'm with Les here.

I'm about to enter my third year in a PhD program and can't imagine remaining in the program if I weren't committed 100% to a career in academia. I'd actually drop out the next day if I started having serious, lingering doubts. The purpose of most humanities PhD's is to prepare one for a career in academia.

If the % is less than 99.99%, then no, it's not worth it. Think about it--4-5 years of your life. Even if funded, you'll incur some debt (unless you land one of those sweat deals from Texas Tech). You'll also likely spend that time in a place far away from family and friends.

And to top it off, the kinds of non-academic jobs you might land post-PhD would've been available to you five years earlier with an MFA, and the PhD could (in come cases) over-qualify you.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Jul 17, 2010, 6:31 PM)


Bagels


Jul 18, 2010, 11:25 AM

Post #1942 of 2090 (19473 views)
Shortcut
Re: [gcsumfa] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Is there anyone at North Texas who'd be willing to chat? Thanks.


gcsumfa


Jul 22, 2010, 2:24 PM

Post #1943 of 2090 (19379 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Bagels] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

FYI for those who were considering Southern Miss--doesn't look like a good place to apply now:

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/...r-loses-its-director


HollinsMFAer
Luke Johnson


Jul 22, 2010, 2:35 PM

Post #1944 of 2090 (19372 views)
Shortcut
Re: [gcsumfa] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

Yeah, I saw that. It's a shame, really. I was definitely planning on applying there before (stoked about trying to study with Julia Johnson), but likely not so much now...


http://www.lukejohnsonpoetry.com


belgium


Jul 25, 2010, 8:57 PM

Post #1945 of 2090 (19292 views)
Shortcut
Re: [gcsumfa] Florida State [In reply to] Can't Post

This is sad to see. I had wondered what the story was behind Barthelme separating himself from the Mississippi Review (and taking its online portion private-- what was "The Mississippi Review Online" is now "Rick Magazine") Whatever, it likely means the program there will be rudderless for a while. Sad.

Regarding Julia Johnson, RPC recently wrote in HTMLGIANT that she might not be staying at the program either.



Ridiculous Words

(This post was edited by belgium on Jul 25, 2010, 9:01 PM)


bitterman


Jul 26, 2010, 11:36 AM

Post #1946 of 2090 (19245 views)
Shortcut
Re: Southern Mississippi [In reply to] Can't Post

It is unethical to mislead potential applicants into thinking USM is a program with any reputation at all. A CW program in the top 10% thirteen years ago? What a joke it is when the current top ten programs in the nation are struggling to get any kind of respect these days. All the USM graduates are doing so well? I don't think so. If anybody teaches full time, it's mostly at Podunk universities. The university didn't do anything wrong as Rick Barthelme voluntarily entered into a phased retirement agreement a few years ago. If you're a sixty-seven old writer without any major literary award under your belt, your stock drops quickly, as English depts prefer younger writers who can respond to students' writing. He had fun, and now it's time to go out with dignity rather than cry about foul play. Regarding his teaching, there are a lot of students who viewed him as an ineffective teacher. He was notorious for playing favoritism. He often came to class unprepared, and his classroom antics, often disrespectful, turned off many students. All of this is not newsworthy as the USM program is so insignificant.


rhouston


Jul 26, 2010, 1:30 PM

Post #1947 of 2090 (19220 views)
Shortcut
Re: [bitterman] Southern Mississippi [In reply to] Can't Post

While I'm not at all sure about all that (USM stuff), I'm similarly not at all sure about the foreign language guidelines for most creative writing doctoral programs. That is, I'm finishing up my MFA next spring, and while I'm looking into applying to PhD programs this fall/winter--and while I only have two years of Spanish under my belt from undergrad--I'm apprehensive about the standard fluency-in-two-foreign-languages requirements.

Don't get me wrong: I can see how being multilingual can benefit both your writing and career. It's just that, like I said, I only have a limited familiarity with one language other than English, so I'd be starting from scratch. And since I would be applying for the PhD primarily for more time to write, among the other usually-suspect reasons (further critical study of literature, broader academic career opportunities, etc.), I'd rather not be further distracted in those five or so years by having to learn a new language.

For those of you who are currently working towards or have completed your CW PhD, did you find the foreign language requirements at your program strictly enforced, or was it one of those departmentally-universal requirements set forth by the University's graduate school that, perhaps, your CW program was able to get around? If you were able to get around the requirements, how were you able to? If not, did it really matter all that much?

I really appreciate the help, folks.


alamana
Jennifer Brown


Jul 26, 2010, 2:11 PM

Post #1948 of 2090 (19213 views)
Shortcut
Re: [rhouston] Southern Mississippi [In reply to] Can't Post

I have the same question about the foreign language requirements. . . would love to see an answer. . .


Be regular and orderly in your life, that you may be violent and original in your work. -- Flaubert

http://www.jenniferkirkpatrickbrown.com


silkentent
Margaret DeAngelis

e-mail user

Jul 26, 2010, 5:55 PM

Post #1949 of 2090 (19183 views)
Shortcut
Re: [bitterman] Southern Mississippi [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
... If you're a sixty-seven old writer without any major literary award under your belt, your stock drops quickly, as English depts prefer younger writers who can respond to students' writing.

What is the upper age limit for being able to respond to students' writing? Just wondering. Margaret, age 63 (with no major, but one minor, award -- it was, ironically, for a "mature" writer [over 35 -- i was 53 when I got it])


Margaret DeAngelis
Markings: Days of Her Life
http://www.silkentent.com/Trees


pongo
Buy this book!

e-mail user

Jul 26, 2010, 6:00 PM

Post #1950 of 2090 (19179 views)
Shortcut
Re: [silkentent] Southern Mississippi [In reply to] Can't Post

The problem for older writers entering English departments (as I am one of them) isn't so much an inability to understand student writing, but an inability to convince the hiring committee that you're planning to spend the next twenty years in the same job. At thirty, that's believable. At sixty, not so much.


The Review Mirror, available at www.unsolicitedpress.com

Difficult Listening, Sundays from ten to noon (Central time), at http://www.radiofreenashville.org/.

http://home.comcast.net/~david.m.harris/site/

First page Previous page 1 ... 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 ... 84 Next page Last page  View All

Main Index » Writing and Publishing » MFA Programs

 


P&W Newsletters

Sign up to receive our monthly email newsletter to stay informed of the latest news, events and more.

Click to Sign Up

Subscribe to P&W Magazine | Donate Now | Advertise | Sign up for E-Newsletter | About Us | Contact Us

© Copyright Poets & Writers 2011. All Rights Reserved