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gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 2:59 PM

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Okay, I can't even begin to tell you how momentously excited I am right now. Just got an email that I am on the waitlist for Mizzou! Lord, I had just concluded that I would be rejected everywhere (9 places) and now this! Of course a waitlist is NOT an acceptance, but it sure is something for this little self-doubting creature. Yay Yay Yay!


Congrats!!:)


kliq


Mar 5, 2010, 3:09 PM

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Okay, I can't even begin to tell you how momentously excited I am right now. Just got an email that I am on the waitlist for Mizzou! Lord, I had just concluded that I would be rejected everywhere (9 places) and now this! Of course a waitlist is NOT an acceptance, but it sure is something for this little self-doubting creature. Yay Yay Yay!


Good job! Maybes are always better than Nos.


abcd

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Mar 5, 2010, 5:22 PM

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Thanks, everyone! Also, I received a letter in the mail from UW Milwaukee. I'm In! Funding says, "We have placed you on our list for Teaching Assistantship and hope to grant you a TA position this coming Fall...If you applied for other fellowships, word about those will also be available a little later in the term." Not as cool as knowing funding is there, but still cool. Bordercrosser, are you going to visit Milwaukee?


(This post was edited by abcd on Mar 5, 2010, 5:28 PM)


bktv


Mar 5, 2010, 6:12 PM

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Wow, abcd, great day for you. Big congrats on Milwaukee and Mizzou!


rneighb


Mar 5, 2010, 6:17 PM

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Congrats to everyone who has heard good news today! It's nice to see some positive news on the board.


sicofelephants


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Mar 5, 2010, 6:21 PM

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dude, congrats! I hope that money/TA poisition comes through for ya!


rneighb


Mar 5, 2010, 6:22 PM

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Well, the first week of March has come and gone, and my FSU status is still the same. Is it the same for everyone else? If it hasn't changed, does that mean we are on the "extensive waitlist"?

I'm going to say that's what it means. :) As of today, I've been waitlisted at FSU. ;)


kliq


Mar 5, 2010, 7:02 PM

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Congrats everyone on the good news today! All my apps are still both complete and ready for review.


gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 7:02 PM

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Thanks, everyone! Also, I received a letter in the mail from UW Milwaukee. I'm In! Funding says, "We have placed you on our list for Teaching Assistantship and hope to grant you a TA position this coming Fall...If you applied for other fellowships, word about those will also be available a little later in the term." Not as cool as knowing funding is there, but still cool. Bordercrosser, are you going to visit Milwaukee?


Great news!


bktv


Mar 5, 2010, 7:20 PM

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Well, this is (somewhat) unrelated. I was waitlisted just now for the critical PhD at Iowa. So, I have an official waitlist to go with my unofficial waitlist at Tennessee (creative PhD).

Anyone (Seth? or other IWW people) want to comment on the feasibility of taking 1-2 workshops at IWW if enrolled in the PhD in English? Maybe summer courses, if nothing else?


TC3


Mar 5, 2010, 11:35 PM

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I had to find out by my own means (via website) that Nebraska accepted me *without funding*. They accept everyone and their grandma without funding. I spent two years as a second-class citizen (an unfunded MA) there and do not intend to relive the process. Binghamton is now my only realistic hope. I should start planning for MFA apps next year.


gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 11:41 PM

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I had to find out by my own means (via website) that Nebraska accepted me *without funding*. They accept everyone and their grandma without funding. I spent two years as a second-class citizen (an unfunded MA) there and do not intend to relive the process. Binghamton is now my only realistic hope. I should start planning for MFA apps next year.


Sorry to hear that, TC3, though this all might be a blessing-in-disguise for you in the end. Before you know it, the next app season will be starting up.

One of the good things about an MA is that it gives you a lot of flexibility--next year, you could still apply to PhD programs, too, along with 2 and 3 year MFA programs.


TC3


Mar 6, 2010, 12:00 AM

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I'm coming around to the blessing-in-disguise idea. I just never thought that it would take this long when I started out.


Coconut Joe



Mar 6, 2010, 12:22 AM

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They accept everyone and their grandma without funding.


I don't know why but this makes me laugh. I think you're the girl who eats a boiled egg for breakfast, ha ha. I never eat boiled eggs-I once got sick after eating two boiled eggs. I don't know if you can keep going on like this. How about taking a few years off? Have you seen what your recommenders wrote for you? There should be something wrong with your application. It might be a good idea to let someone take a look at your application. With the way the economy is going, it's getting harder every year to get into an MFA program, especially with a full funding. You can try less competitive Ph.D. programs. I heard programs like Texas A&M have an acceptance rate of 20%. Many apply there as a safty, so it should be a lot higher, close to 30%. You can also try obscure programs like South Dakota.


TC3


Mar 6, 2010, 12:29 AM

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It's kinda true. They "accept" a lot of folks without funding, and fund only a sliver of those accepted. In the end, hardly anyone goes there without funding, and though I did and learned a lot from the program, I also recognize the disadvantage that an unfunded position put me in.

And: close, but guy. But that doesn't really matter.


gcsumfa


Mar 6, 2010, 12:37 AM

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Illinois State just added a CW option at the PhD level. I know they tend to fund a lot of folks (my friend is working on a PhD in English there).


rneighb


Mar 6, 2010, 12:40 AM

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Yeah, you're right. A&M's acceptance rate is just a little under 20%, right around 17% this year. I was told that they received about 96 applications and accepted 16 across all the different emphases (including lit, rhet/comp, etc.).

Those are a lot better odds than the 3% UIC and some other schools have.

And even though A&M was one of my "safety" schools, it has quite a bit to offer (and I'm sure similar programs do to). A 1-1 teaching load. A better than average stipend. A fairly open degree plan (since most of the "requirements" were met in my previous degrees, I can take whatever lit and CW courses I want for most of the required 36 hours.)


rneighb


Mar 6, 2010, 12:44 AM

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Illinois State's program is very interesting. I almost applied there.

They use an English studies model and try to focus equally on scholarship, creative studies, and pedagogy, which is reflected in the dissertation. Each dissertation has a scholarly introduction, a large creative section, and then a follow-up section dealing with the teaching of creative writing.

In hindsight, I should've went ahead and applied, but I was just tired of spending money and time on this process.


gcsumfa


Mar 6, 2010, 12:49 AM

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Illinois State's program is very interesting. I almost applied there.

They use an English studies model and try to focus equally on scholarship, creative studies, and pedagogy, which is reflected in the dissertation. Each dissertation has a scholarly introduction, a large creative section, and then a follow-up section dealing with the teaching of creative writing.

In hindsight, I should've went ahead and applied, but I was just tired of spending money and time on this process.


Yeah, from what my friend says, they're pretty flexible. It'll be interesting to see what other uni's add CW PhD programs in the next five years.


bordercrosser


Mar 6, 2010, 5:22 AM

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Congrats ABCD & everyone else who got in or on a waitlist! Seems like a busy day for notifications. I got a call from Hawaii that I'm in with a TAship -- albeit while I was driving around downtown LA, looking for nonexistent parking & late to meet an interviewee.

ABCD, I'd like to visit Milwaukee although was told by Liam Callahan that they had no money to help w/visits. It seems like a smart move to make if I'm considering spending the next few years, but not sure when/how yet. What about you?


bordercrosser


Mar 6, 2010, 5:26 AM

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I'm glad to see some info on Illinois State. I applied there because they seemed open/flexible to hybrid critical & creative work, but don't know anyone else who applied there and haven't heard all that much about the program.


Coconut Joe



Mar 6, 2010, 7:39 AM

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Aw, sheeeeit, son! The helmets have come off! It's like the '97 Avalanche/Red Wings rivalry except with words! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s&feature=related

(for the record, more of a Blackhawks and Penguins fan)

Ooooh speaking of the Avalanche, anyone know what the deal was with that unsubstantiated claim about Denver notifying this coming week? Looks like that bit o' news on gradcafe got taken down, so I'm not sure how true it was.


For the record, I think Seth offers decent advice for writers applying to graduate creative writing programs. However, some of his points about the job market seem off; for instance, he rarely discusses the job market according to institution type, unlike most academics. Many of the entry level, tenure track jobs for CWer's--again--are not at R1 MFA programs.

Also, he claims that the "growing trend" for poets is 3-5 books, yet after going through the list of recent hires (available on AWP), I found no evidence to back-up this claim; most of the young poets (in academia, "young" is under 40, not someone like Carolyn Wright) had 1-2 books. Big difference between 1-2 and 3-5. A Van Jordan has 3 on his CV, but it appears that his third book was picked up after he was hired.

Maybe I'm missing something though and a bunch of 3-5 book, under 40 poets have been hired recently.

I would advice most of you to visit the Chronicle of Higher Ed forums if you have questions about the academic job market.


I guess this is the kind of jobs gcsumfa is talking about. People like Seth wouldn't take a job like this, but there are so many un/under-employed CW PhDs out there who are willing to move anywhere to take this kind of jobs which were often filled by MAs or MFAs decades ago.

Instructor/Assistant Professor, Creative Writing (tenure track)
Department of Language and Literature

Completed MFA or PhD required for appointment at rank of Assistant Professor; completed Masters degree required for appointment at rank of Instructor. Successful teaching experience and substantial publication record required.

Four courses per semester divided among fiction and poetry workshops, literature, and composition. Advising and committee work as assigned. Responsibility for WSC Press, Plains Writers Series, poetry and fiction slams and undergraduate literary magazine. A strong commitment to undergraduate teaching and to developing collegial relationships with colleagues is expected.

Commensurate with qualifications and experience. Attractive and comprehensive fringe benefit package.

Wayne State College is rapidly emerging into one of the most dynamic, small, regional public colleges in the Midwest, located in Northeast Nebraska, close to Sioux City, Iowa and within two hours drive to Sioux Falls, Omaha and Lincoln. With a student population around 3,500, the college is a focal point and catalyst in Northeast Nebraska, not only for education but also for community and economic development, the arts, and cultural activity. Strong leadership, steady enrollment, a renewed focus on student development and teaching, and several recently completed building projects are indicators of the College's vitality.


betp


Mar 6, 2010, 9:36 AM

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Hey TC3, That sucks, plain and simple. Sorry to hear it. I'm hoping you'll find a school that's really excited about you and your work. It sounds like nebraska's dropped the ball.


kliq


Mar 6, 2010, 9:57 AM

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Congrats ABCD & everyone else who got in or on a waitlist! Seems like a busy day for notifications. I got a call from Hawaii that I'm in with a TAship -- albeit while I was driving around downtown LA, looking for nonexistent parking & late to meet an interviewee.

ABCD, I'd like to visit Milwaukee although was told by Liam Callahan that they had no money to help w/visits. It seems like a smart move to make if I'm considering spending the next few years, but not sure when/how yet. What about you?


Hawaii?? That's awesome! As cool as that would be, I didn't bother applying there because I didn't want to live that far away from home. Can't say I'd blame you though if you wanted to go, though. =)


gcsumfa


Mar 6, 2010, 11:33 AM

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I guess this is the kind of jobs gcsumfa is talking about. People like Seth wouldn't take a job like this, but there are so many un/under-employed CW PhDs out there who are willing to move anywhere to take this kind of jobs which were often filled by MAs or MFAs decades ago.


I'm ambitious and will leave my program with a publishable book MS and many of the stories placed in national journals, but the job market is what it is, and most people in the humanities need to be a) willing to move anywhere and b) start out at a lower-tier institution (or small liberal arts college).


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Mar 6, 2010, 11:35 AM)

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