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sibyline


Mar 16, 2006, 12:12 PM

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I realize we're all still in the middle of it, but I've been thinking about what I've learned from applying and the things that I wish I had known before that I know now. Maybe this thread would help some other hapless applicant in the future:

1. The process is ridiculously subjective - I guess this is obvious, but I don't think it can be emphasized enough.

2. Do my research - I wish I had read more books by faculty members, to have a better sense of the kinds of people who will potentially be instructing me. Also related to #3.

3. Apply to lots of schools - I only applied to six really competitive ones, and I only got in by a hair. I would have expanded my list by at least four schools if I hadn't gotten in this time.

4. Submit my best work - I don't think I accounted for this enough. I'm working on a novel that's very much in progress, and it's the thing that I'm most excited about, so I submitted an excerpt to half my programs, and sent older, more polished stories to the ones that had short page requirements or faculty who mainly did stories.

I got rejected by the three programs I sent the novel excerpt to. I got an acceptance, a waitlist, and a rejection for the programs I sent the short stories to. Moral: even though I was most excited by the thing I was working on, I should have been more objective in picking my best work.

5. Get someone I trust to look at my work - I have a tendency to be really independent. I didn't get any outside help on my applications even though a more established friend offered to help me edit. I should have taken her up on it.

6. Find a community to get advice and share experiences with - I wish I had known about Speakeasy!


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theapplepicker


Mar 16, 2006, 12:34 PM

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I echo your #2. After reading quite a few books and quite a number of poems, I still don't feel it was enough.

Furthermore (on the research front), I would have learned more about the funding situations at different schools. I don't think I would have applied to UMass if I'd done this. And I would have applied to Cornell.

There's just never enough time to research all the schools you would want to apply to if you knew about them. Had I had the time to learn, I also would have applied to JHU, Michigan, and a couple places in Oregon. I knew about these schools, of course, but I just didn't have the time to do the research I wanted on all the schools I was interested in *and* do a solid job of preparing my application for each school. So, I guess I'd stay "start researching 2-3 years before you plan to apply if you want the most bang for your buck."

It sounds like an insane amount of time, but I could have used it!


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lavashlavash


Mar 16, 2006, 12:45 PM

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Start early! I didn't apply to Arizona because I didn't start my applications until about December 10th.

Also, I think what Tom Kealey preaches about large programs vs. small programs is really smart. There should be at least one somewhat large program on everybody's list.


sanssoleil
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Mar 16, 2006, 12:48 PM

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1. I should have donated $125 to the Red Cross instead of paying Hunter to spend one week considering my application.
2. Schools that offer full or almost full funding are the way to go. There are at least three schools I applied to that I cannot attend even if I do get in. I am dumb.
3. Don't tell your family that you're applying. That is all they will ask about for six months. When you don't get in, you will be embarrassed. When your mom says "Now why in the world would they not want you in their program," you will be even more embarrassed.
4. Stay away from message boards like this one. You will find yourself in the middle of March wondering where February went.
5. Find a message board like this one. You will find yourself with new friends.
6. Write like a hurricane no matter what.


Clench Million
Charles

Mar 16, 2006, 12:49 PM

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Personally I wonder how relevant #2 is. Just because an author writers in a style you like doesn't mean they will teach well, and just because they write in a different style than you doesn't mean they WON'T encourage and understand your style. In undergrad my teachers had pretty differetn styles and approaches than me, but they understood what I was going for and helped me work towards that.

I dunno, I just think reading two books by every teacher at thirty programs is impossible.

It seems like a better tactic after you've gotten into a few places and need to decide between them...


clarabow


Mar 16, 2006, 1:17 PM

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sanssoleil i loved your list. it made me happy.


Ms. Mystery


Mar 16, 2006, 1:39 PM

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Sibyline, this thread is a great idea!

1. Start REALLY REALLY early. Earlier than you would even consider "early." Seriously. I almost missed a lot of deadlines because I was a moron and didn't register for the GRE until December. Luckily Minnesota said they would accept my application by their December 20th deadline as long as the GRE scores were on the way, but that was a pretty close call.

2. Figure out what you want and research programs that fit you. I defintely did this to some degree (I was looking for programs that fund everybody in an urban area, basically.) That said, don't apply to schools that fall really far outside your guidelines. I can't for the life of me figure out why I applied to the Art Institute of Chicago. I know they don't have a lot of funding and the cost of living is pretty high, but I guess I thought, "Ooh, Chicago" and went ahead with it anyway.

3. Really take time putting together your manuscript and personal statement. I did kind of a wimpy job on my personal statement, and I definitely regret it. I should have asked more people to read it over before I sent it. Then again, I didn't feel like I had time to do so because I was racing to the finish for most of December and January.

4. As far as community goes, I almost wish that I didn't know about this, the who_got_in community, the grad cafe, or any of the other internet locations for obsessive grad school applicants. It definitely made me an anxious mess for about two weeks in February. At the same time, it's been really helpful in other ways. I guess I wish I could have found this forum way back over the summer when I was still preparing for the whole application thing, but I also wish that somebody could have blocked me from this site for most of January and February!


franz

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Mar 16, 2006, 1:50 PM

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What I have learned:

1. Use the P & W message board as a resource. I didn't find out about it until it was too late to apply to other schools, and it's the best resource available for MFA applicants.

2. Wouldn't have applied for the Stegner until after finishing an MFA.

3. Wouldn't have applied to schools with crappy funding (fortunately, Emerson was the only school on my list like this).

4. DON'T use the last US News and World Report to inform your application decisions. I used it to narrow down the field I would apply to-- as a result, I didn't apply to the Michener Center and didn't really consider the program at Arizona.

5. I would apply to ten or twelve schools, not 8, as I did (and since the Stegner was one of my schools, I really only applied to 7).

6. I would have emphasized more in my personal statement my ability to work well with others and teach.

7. There's nothing wrong with dreaming of a school you think you have no chance of getting into. JHU was a case in point for me-- when I wrote up my list of schools I would reapply to next year, JHU wasn't on there because I never thought I had a chance in the first place. And I was wrong. What if I had just second-guessed myself and not applied there?

8. Really, only apply to places where you would be serious about living. That's just as important as the school itself. Why did I apply to Iowa when I've already lived there 21 years? I wasn't seriously considering attending.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


theapplepicker


Mar 16, 2006, 1:59 PM

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You're right to question its relevance, but while I also agree that it's impossible to read even one book by every teacher in your genre at 30 schools, it was important to me to at least try.


Clench Million
Charles

Mar 16, 2006, 2:05 PM

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Well, personally I'm really lazy. I'd just feel like I'd wasted my time when I inevitably got rejected by most of the programs. Would have rather been reading something else with my reading time...


poetastin


Mar 16, 2006, 2:31 PM

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Amazon's "look inside this book" is a great resource, as is your public library. You won't read 30-60 or faculty books, but you can certainly get a feel for some of these authors just reading ten pages from each of their books.

It's so confusing, though. Even in Kealey's book, it says go with a school's reputation, but then Adam Johnson recommends (in the same book) picking schools by faculty. And both seem to make sense. Here's your dream school on the one hand--George Saunders! Mary Gaitskill!--and your undergrad experience on the other, where your best teacher was the one who wrote in another style. Egads, man...


sibyline


Mar 16, 2006, 2:31 PM

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Yeah, I kinda felt the same way Clench, but in retrospect, schools (the funded ones at least) are investing a lot of money in us, and I now feel like it wouldn't have been such a big deal to have made a bigger investment by doing more reading. I'm quickly making up for this by having read four books by Cornell faculty members in the past month.

Oh, and yeah, I forgot about STARTING EARLY, which is an appropriate thing for me. I'm quite self-directed, but hate bureaucracy, so I'm invariably late whenever forms are involved. I submitted every one of my applications either on the deadline or (eep!) even a couple of days late for some of them. I was so cavalier about that at the time, and it all worked out for me in the end so I'm kinda relieved, but it's definitely not a good idea to do that.


Clench Million
Charles

Mar 16, 2006, 2:55 PM

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Sibyline: I guess for me its like this: There are probably ~35 schools, maybe more, worth looking into. Reading something by every professor at all those schools would just take too much time for me and, for reasons listed above, I'm not sure how important it is. Other factors, like location , seem more important in the initial narrowing down. So once I narrow it to ~10 schools by those other factors, I should apply to all of them anyway, so who teaches where isn't important at that point.

Once I hear back there is a good chance I'll only get into one (or none), so reading from those ~10 seems pointless. Even if I get into a few, probalby only one or two will give me killer funding and I'll probably have a gut feeling to go to one or two (location, reputation, etc.). If I do get into multiple schools that I can't decide between, well I should have a month or so to check out faculty at that point.


Just my 2 cents.


sibyline


Mar 16, 2006, 3:03 PM

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yeah, you're probably right. not necessarily reading entire books but familiarizing oneself with people's work would be good though. if i had to do it over again, i would have probably done some more tailoring of manuscripts based on what i know of faculty / program.


shadowboxer


Mar 16, 2006, 3:07 PM

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I don't think it's necessary to read the books of the faculty at each school. Often, teaching style may be completely different than what you imagined while reading the book. Most professors are versatile and happy to work with students writing in different styles. Working with professors who write differently than you is good for your work and perspective. However, there is nothing wrong with wanting to work with someone whose books you admire.


franz

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Mar 16, 2006, 5:17 PM

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I am scrambling right now to catch up with reading of JHU faculty. During the whole application process and after, I've looked through a lot of different faculty members at different schools to get a sense of style or quality, but I haven't had a chance to read through most of the books. (I was reading "Geronimo Rex" and others instead.) Quite frankly, there are a lot of faculty members who write solid but not spectacular work, and with so many spectacular books out there, I'd like to focus on those instead. (In the case of one school I applied to, which has a very prestigious program, I was particularly unimpressed by the banality of the faculty's work.)
That being said, I was wowed by Charles Johnson's "MIddle Passage" (He's at UWash), and looking through faculty members has really broadened my horizons on some mid-list fiction or more cutting edge fiction. I had never read Stephen Dixon before (or even heard of him) before applying to JHU, but he's hilarious and fun to read. Plus, one of my favorite authors, Jonathan Lethem, calls Dixon his "secret master", which I think is impressive. So at the very least, I do think it's important to at least research faculty members and look at their books. You will find some books you love, and the ones you don't, well, just read a few sections and get a sense of their work.
Anyway, none of my favorite authors teach? What the hell do they do for a living? Do they actually make a living off writing? I find it hard to believe.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


rapunzel1983
Marisa Lee

Mar 18, 2006, 5:51 PM

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What I would have done differently:

1. Found the official US News ranking before applying. There are so many schools I left off. UMass and Syracuse and Arizona and Houston, for instance. I simply had no idea they were good, and my undergrad college doesn't have much of an application-atmosphere (even my profs didn't have MFAs), so I got my list by reading a bunch of books and finding out where the authors got their MFAs from. I'm from the Northeast, so it was strange I ended up applying to all these schools out west while completely neglecting UMass and Syracuse.

2. And yes, the Stegner was a waste of time. Especially at this age.

3. And no, I wouldn't have tailored my personal statement for each school. On second thought, I did NOT tailor this year, and my results have been pretty good. My previous application year, I read work by the faculty and tailored everything meticulously and got rejected everywhere. I have a feeling that the strain was apparent. It is better to be unspecific than to come off forced. So if you do undertake the task of reading faculty work--start doing it in the summer, a year ahead of time. Don't cram. It just won't work.

4. Short stories DO come off better than novel excerpts. I submitted a novel excerpt and still did fine, but I could have had it easier. I think I could have added 2 acceptances to my pile if i had used a short story.

5. Do something else in the meantime!! Care about something else. Or else you'll be in danger, like me, of feeling EXTREMELY DRAINED after the process. I've been doing these apps for two years now and weirdly enough, I feel sick now that the whole thing is over. Like, "This, THIS, is what I've been obsessing over????? Envelopes and slips of paper???" Falling in love, getting dumped, going on an adventure, anything is better for the spirit than obsessing over this. I don't know if something is wrong with me, but I haven't felt alive in years.

6. Don't tell people you're applying.


Windiciti



Mar 19, 2006, 1:18 AM

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You know sibyline, clench, poetastin, and everyone else who wrote abou this:

I have been feeling quite guilty about not having read faculty writings of the schools I applied to. Like others, I was rushing to complete applications, get transcripts, write essays w/ the different slants required by each school, etc. Yeah, I started preparing applications quite late, january 7th. Before that, I hadn't decide to do it, apply for MFA or MA programs, I mean.

I completed 3 applications by February 1, then 3 more by March 1, and also wasted a vast amount of time on this forum---
very enjoyable---but deadly.
I have only read the work of 2 Faculty members, by chance, Erin McGraw at OSU and Amy Bloom, who will be teaching at Indiana, this summer.

Realize now, I did a pretty half a--- job! Yet, I still feel that wherever I go will be good. There are bound to be kindred spirits in ANY program and good profs. too.
I relish the critiques in workshops, and don't take umbrage about suggestions I receive. I need a community of writers, a home to improve my fiction.

I am not a young writer who can go anywhere and catch the gold ring like lots of you are going to do at Iowa, OSU, Arizona, JHU, etc., etc. My choices are infinitely more modest.

But guess what? I'm pretty happy! Two places accepted me, so I'm going somewhere no later than fall, 2006...to write! What a great luxury after slaving for years as a high school teacher!
Thanks for listening and perhaps responding.

So many of you make good points, that I am in a constant "AHA" mode but can't comment on every post that resonates with me. Wd. spend my life...Oh, God I already am!
Ciao!

P.S. For the person who wrote about previewing stuff on Amazon, a big THANKS. I'm going to do it.


uadelta21


Mar 20, 2006, 6:22 PM

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Thanks, sibyline, for starting this thread and directing me to it.

After 2 tries (and still waiting to hear about the fate of this 2nd go), I've begun to learn this:

1. These message boards give great insight into other's experience of the process. I definitely don't feel so alone now in my anxiety! Though I do agree with you all it does somewhat increase the obsessiveness. At least we can all obsess together.

2. Workshops and writing groups can greatly improve your writing, and provide recommenders for applications.

3. Apply to more schools! The first time I knew hardly anything about the process and applied to 3 competitive schools with a mediocre writing sample. This time I applied to 4 with a much better writing sample, but I see now that if I apply again, I'll apply to still more schools.

4. Other people, like fiance's, family, and co-workers, who don't know about MFA programs, assume if you're smart, got good undergrad grades, etc. then you will for sure be accepted. Oh if that were only true!

5. How much each application is like a lottery ticket. The more you buy, the better of a chance you have, but it's still a roll of the dice.

6. If nothing else, I have made myself a better writer than I was before.


stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Mar 20, 2006, 8:58 PM

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The PhD programs I applied to are as subjective as MFA programs, because of how interdisciplinary they are in nature and how few applicants they accept each year, and I felt a lot things "repeated" from my MFA application experience (5 years ago).

But, reflecting upon 5 years ago, this is my advice:

1. Research the whole program. There will always be things you wish you had known about before the fact, once you arrive, but research the program THOROUGHLY--who the department administrators are, who the program director is, what the funding situation is like, how long professors have stayed at the program, the situation of funding as a first year as opposed to a second year, etc. How many lit classes will you need to take? How many workshops? How many forms classes? What are the expectations of your thesis, and how long will you have to do it? How many readings will you have to give while you're at the program? What can you learn about the program offering career guidance for when you're on your way out the door at the other end? Does the program get local/community support with programming for readings, events, etc. (i.e. is it seen in a favorable light--would going there bring a sort of harmonious experience for you also being a resident of the town)...

2. Hop on the web and research the towns the schools are located in. First think about whether or not you could afford to live in the town with the funding you would realistically get, if you are accepted. Can you afford rent, utilities, some groceries, public transportation/car expenses, etc.? Where is the nearest airport, and are plane trips to places you realistically would visit expensive? What's the public transportation like in the town, and what are the town's resources and entertainment options like? With the resources you have, can you afford to consider this option? If you needed a summer job between first/second or second/third year, would one be relatively easy to find?

3. Make a list of what the pro's would be and what the con's would be of attending that one school. EVERY school has good things and bad things about it, and you need to figure out what works for you (i.e. for me, UF was my first choice from the get go--I go by gut instinct 99% of the time--and I knew moving from Boston to Gainesville would be my biggest compromise--but I knew that once I found a bar, a coffee shop, a book store, a CD store, a place to hear music, and one or two other "staples" as far as landmarks are concerned, that I could survive and, more likely than not, be totally fine. And I was.). And remember, when you are waiting to hear from schools that no school is perfect--no town is perfect. It kept me in check when I applied to MFA programs, and it made it easier to deal with the schools that didn't accept me (for those schools, there was no longer a list of good things and bad things to weigh against other schools).

4. As much as I wanted to read the work of each poet in the programs I applied to, I wanted to make sure that I talked to students in the program about their experiences with thees poets as professors. There is a HUGE difference between a great writer and a great professor--but sometimes you can link the two and see, once you get feedback from current students/recent alums, how the writer's teaching strengths/weaknesses are exemplified in the things that person can encourage you to do with your writing (i.e. Sidney Wade opened me up to more wimsy and abstraction, and William Logan opened me up to be a more critical reader of poetry and to not discount poems that are focused on rhythm, structure, meter, and form just because that's what I first see in the poem. I don't love William's work, but he has become one of my best mentors; I like Debora Gregor's work decently enough and find something expert about her writing, but she is the worst teacher I have had in my entire life.)

5. Apply to as many schools as you can afford to, but also apply only to schools where if you get accepted nowhere else you can feel excited to go there. Because even with gut instincts, you really never know.

6. Always secure one more person than you need to fill out your recommendation letters. Most schools will generally accept 4 if the requirement is 3 or 3 if it's 2. You never know who will screw you over at the last minute (I got screwed over when I applied to MFA programs and almost screwed over with the PhD applications--thankfully I had back ups each time).

7. Even if you are unsure that you will *actually* apply to the school, go straight ahead and have your transcripts, GRE scores, and other "paperwork" items sent to each school you are considering, and do it early on. For the schools you *actually* apply to, send fee as a money order just to be extra-safe.

8. Keep an organized filing system of EVERYTHING, and keep photocopies of everything you send (or even transcript requests you fax to old schools). You never know who will lose what.

9. Help your recommenders out by being super-organized and giving them more time than they say they need and more time than is reasonable for you--it's a courtesy to them, and it's good practice to you. When you send them forms, send everything in a very clear-cut, exact, organized sort of way. Maybe this is me and maybe it's being anal, but it helps me each application I send to do this. For each recommender, in a file folder, I have:
  • All of my forms in order alphabetically by school I apply to
  • Stamped envelopes for sending the reco letters clipped to the form
  • A post-it affixed to the reco form with three dates on it: my submission goal date, my "realistic submission date," and the absolute final application deadline.
  • A post-it affixed to the reco form with a list of poems submitted for my writing sample
  • One copy of the personal statement that I have "mutated"/will mutate to accommodate each school I am applying to.
  • An updated copy of my curriculum vitae
  • A copy of any transcripts showing grades I got in these people's courses, if they are my professors, or recent copies of papers I wrote for them or poems I worked on with them OR, if it's someone who I otherwise know or have not worked with in a while, a list of achievements since we last worked together
  • One "manuscript" in alphabetical order of all the poems I am using for my application submissions.
  • A thank you note.

(like I said, I know that's super-anal, but the way I see it, my recommenders are really busy--the more I can do to help them out and make this a no-brainer, the easier it will be for them. Except for the times I have been screwed over, I have had--according to what recommenders have told me for when they send stuff out--less than 1 week turn-around for my recommendation letters to be sent to my application schools.)

10. Even after I send my applications off, I went back and re-read the work of the professors in the program--not to read with the context of "what can I learn from this professor?" but just to go back and read for pleasure. And to fall totally and completely in love with their words, lines, images, and metaphors. Because, well, it's poetry and I love poetry, first and foremost.


In The Lobby


Jan 10, 2010, 6:46 PM

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This is my second post at the Easy. I've been a lurker and just want to give regards to all of you. This site is a wealth of support and knowledge.



-To never view application status. Ever. Never.
It's just something about spending 38 hours milling through school websites, 98 hours on a statement of purpose, 2 hours on your writing sample, 3 hours on the GRE, 6 hours and $50 on a bottle of malbec coping after viewing GRE scores, $56 in transcripts, $40 in GRE submits, $23.57 in stamps, your checking and savings on app fees, $45 on Priority mail, 102 hours ensuring your professors write rec. letters, and to the correct schools, 30 minutes thinking of a thank you gift, 78 hours compiling together applications, 12 hours hitting F5 on this website. And once it's all over, and you can finally click 'view application status' on one of your many potential schools.... you've never sent your transcripts, nor taken the GRE, and have not sent 7 friendly reminder emails to professors that the deadline for letters of rec. are approaching. It's funny, really. I figure if they want me enough, they'll have me? I hope this is the right attitude...?

-To know which schools you will apply to in advance. Perhaps in May, even. And make them stick. Mine changed 5x daily. It's January 10 and I'm still thinking about throwing in 1 or 4. I'm sure it's fairly known, but when you take the GRE, at the end of the test you can have scores submitted to four different schools for free. As it turns out (fault of my own) I later decided to not even apply to the four free schools I sent scores to. : /

-Still pending. This is my first application year.

Good luck to everyone!


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Jan 10, 2010, 7:27 PM

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What I've learned:

1. Start early, start early, start early.
2. Spend the most amount of time on your manuscript, followed by your statement of purpose. While necessary, elements like the GRE and undergraduate transcripts should not be taking up huge amounts of your time. Get them out of the way early (see #1).
3. Don't apply to safety schools. The MFA is not nearly as time-dependent as the undergraduate degree; if you don't get in this time around, apply again next year. It's worth it to improve your writing and get into the program you really want. It's not worth your time or effort to apply somewhere you're not sure you want to go. Don't settle.
4. Don't apply to schools that don't offer full funding unless you're independently wealthy. Paying $100,000 for an art degree is stupid. Period.
5. A lot of the application process is subjective, so don't waste your time over-analyzing every aspect of it. Learn from the experience, but don't dwell on it.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


kbritten

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Jan 10, 2010, 8:29 PM

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I learned to follow everyone's advice. Start early, workshop your stories, stick to your schools, do a little bit at a time, etc... I am very proud to say that this usual procrastinator followed that advice and am very happy that I did. Only about a week of mild burnout and a week of super self-doubt (there's still a little there ;) ). I have been waiting so long that I'm not as anxious as I thought I would be, although I really, really want to know!!!


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bighark


Jan 10, 2010, 9:06 PM

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There's no such thing as an MFA safety school.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Jan 10, 2010, 9:12 PM

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Certainly some programs are more selective than others.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.

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