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lytonyawename



Mar 26, 2006, 3:46 AM

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okay, i know there's me a staple... anybody else around who's going' to bama? or already there?


fishy


Mar 26, 2006, 10:19 AM

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I'm in for poetry; I'll probably end up going if I don't get funding from Montana (I'm waitlisted).


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Aug 20, 2006, 6:21 PM

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Hi there:

Bama ranks among the few 'experimental' programs. But does anyone know exactly what type of fiction the faculty prefers when they select applications? Say, as opposed to Syracuse, Brown, or CalArts? The only thing I have to go on is the latest (I think) Best American, which features a story with, among other things, bulleted lists, clever titles for each of the story's sections, and an out of sequence narrative.

I guess I'm just not down with what's considered experimental by each respective location--especially when experimental writing follows just as many conventions as traditional does, these days. Like what if my prose is maximallist, but I have a straightforward, character driven narrative? Where the F do I even apply with that? I fear I'll alienate everyone. So confusing...


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lytonyawename



Sep 20, 2006, 2:13 AM

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I don't know how to answer that question. As far as I can tell so far, we aren't included in that process. I can say that I have seen mostly experiemental writing but not of any particular tilt... and really, rather than it being an issue of experimental, it's more an issue of writing that seems willing to try new things being written by people who have talent.

Classes: Novel workshop with Kate Bernheimer. It's a yearlong course. Novel workshops are a bad idea. So, she's doing it different. First semester, we are broken up into two groups of six. We meet once a week. Every other week we meet with her and talk about our novel. It is not a "workshop". We aren't required to turn in writing on our novel, but we can turn in up to 15 pages. We are required to talk, in depth, about our novel, issues with it, etc. and we're encouraged to turn in writing. We meet on the off-weeks to move along our project: rewriting "Billy Budd" as a group, set in the future.

Feminist Theory (also a yearlong): really friggin hard feminist philosophy. Great stuff. Who the hell knew UA had a strong Women's Study Dept?

Teaching Composition. Ok. Would be better if I weren't one of two first years who also has to teach freshman com. It's a theory of pedogagy course and I think it's super for all the kids who work as tudors in the writing center the first year. It's very odd, sometimes disconcerting for me though. I have teaching questions. Not theory questions... or, I do have those questions, but they seem so way less important.

Also, a one-hour a week practicum on teaching which is only nice because it keeps us MFAer's and regular English kids in contact. Busy work. Though I commend the department on really, really taking teaching freshman comp seriously and not hangin' us out on our own... and still giving us huge freedom as far as choosing texts and writing up our own syllabi.

The people are so nice. So helpful. So... open. It's great. It's a revelation.

I'm a bit stressed. But that's to do with other stuff. It's great here. And just being here helps...


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Sep 20, 2006, 4:44 AM

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Hi LW:

Thanks so much for the info! Very helpful. I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it.

And boy am I even more stoked about applying now--I'd love to take that novel class my third year, after two years of massaging it, odd moments of the day.


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v1ctorya


Apr 13, 2007, 3:20 AM

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Hi LW:

Thanks so much for the info! Very helpful. I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it.

And boy am I even more stoked about applying now--I'd love to take that novel class my third year, after two years of massaging it, odd moments of the day.



I got in here, any current Fiction Alabamans care to talk? I'm just curious about the logistics in terms of living/money (especially money) and time, and everything else ;)


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lytonyawename



Apr 20, 2007, 3:05 AM

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i'm ending my first year. almost all first years work in the writing center for 20 hours a week as tutors. Pay is a little over 1k per month after taxes. Most first years don't have the opportunity to teach and very limited employment over the summer. if, like me, you come in with 18 hours or more of graduate work in english or creative writing, they make you teach right away. if, like me, you don't come it with teaching experience, the first semester will be spent teaching one class of freshman composition. there's a one unit pedagogy course you have to take each semester for your first year of teaching and you have to take a 3 unit comp pedagogy theory course. Most people take 2-3 courses each semester. After you've taught for a year you have the opportunity to teach during the summer and don't have to take courses--i'm teaching an online course. after teaching for a year you become eligible to teach an intro creative writing course and they set it up so that everyone is entitled to at least on semester of teaching it (when you do, you will teach one creative writing course and another course). after a year of teaching, you become eligible to teach an honors freshman comp course that is way more flexible (though, they give a lot of flexibility to designing most courses). after a year of teaching and at least two graduate english courses in the same field (i.e modern brit lit or early american lit) you become eligible to teach an intro literature program. there is also a living-learning program that i am teaching next year (great for the cv).

no need to worry about not getting into the class you want: you sign up by going to your advising appt. first come, first served. when registration happens, even if people take your spot (which they aren't supposed to do) the dept will just give you an over-ride. there are generally between two fiction and two poetry workshops each semester. there are generally several craft courses each semester. some of the english professors will allow creative papers/projects in lieu of regular research/academic papers.

there are mfa readings most friday afternoons of each semester (more in the fall than the spring) and are open to all mfa students regardless of year. there are bankhead readings most thursday evenings where they bring in cool writers and there are parties afterwards at prof's and student's houses.

people like to hang out at the downtown pub.

tuscaloosa is a crappy football town. but the english dept is cool and way in to meet other cool people (like the MFA people in the book arts and fine arts depts and the library science people, for example). there is a new SDS chapter that is run by an MFA poet.

there's a real appreciation for experimentation and i have never, even as a very experimental and queer writer, been on the receiving end of hostility to my writing.

uh, rent is cheap to the point of stupidity. in sf i paid 1200 for a one bedroom. we're paying 365 for a one bedroom here and will be paying 450 for a two bedroom when we move next month.

tuscaloosa is boring. tuscaloosa has no viable public transportation and not a lot of sidewalks.

there is a natural foods store.

you can't buy alcohol on sundays.
you can't find beer over 6% alcohol, which means that you won't find any belgium goodies or barley wine. and you have to buy liquor from the state store where they charge a 15% tax.

birmingham ain't far and there are some cool parts to it. it is awesome by comparison. they have a few clubs where cool bands come once in a blue moon.

mfa grad students are the majority in the english dept, which is weird. it's a position of some privilege--which shouldn't be abused as it causes some hostility from the lit and comp grads. but, overall, people get along ok.

they started giving free health insurance (but it's not very good if you ever have to go outside of the student health center).

it ain't perfect. but i don't at all regret my decision. i got into unlv as well. it was a hard decision. but alabama was my first choice and unlv my second and there's that. i'm getting teaching experience, which i wanted. my writing feels welcome. i have time to write. and i get paid not enough that i'm happy about, but enough to get by on for a single person. which i'm not, which is why we need more income and my other works full time on campus.


sarah_sophia


Jan 5, 2008, 10:07 PM

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howdy,

i'm really excited about the sound of this program. does anyone know where i could find some examples of writing from current alabama students? i looked on the program's website but the links aren't working well.

also, i'm a fiction writer, but since i keep on hearing about how alabama is welcome to experimentation, i was thinking about including a prose poem in my portofolio, which i really like (and technically i think, it could also be classified as flash fiction). bad idea?

thanks,

sarah


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Jan 5, 2008, 11:21 PM

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Hey there.

I'm excited, too. There was an Alabamian story in a recent Best New American Writing. Can't remember the year, but the cover is green.

Their web site encourages (or at least allows you) to submit a poem or two with your fiction app.

Just please don't get accepted this year. :P


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Zash
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Jan 6, 2008, 2:26 AM

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There was an Alabamian story in a recent Best New American Writing.

Is it the one about a motorcycle gang and a church funeral?


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Jan 7, 2008, 5:29 AM

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No, but that was a good one, wasn't it? The way I remember it, that author went to Alabama but was listed as having a PhD from somewhere else... Or not, who knows.

The one I'm thinking off was sort of a 'non-traditional' narrative from Best New American Voices (Voices, not Writing, sorry) '06. Each section would cut off mid-sentence, then pick up again in the next section.


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lytonyawename



Jan 9, 2008, 7:55 PM

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I think you are talking about Sarah Blackman's The Jupiter's In.
I was in novel workshop with her last year. She graduated but is an instructor here now. Awesome writer. Just oozes talent.

I didn't send any prose poetry for my application, but some of my stuff is quite lyrical and experimental and can sound like poetry if you stop listening to the meanings... i guess.

from what i've heard, and don't quote me on this, asking around my friend circles, they tend to let in people off of the wait lists. seems like a lot of people who get in here also applied to bigger name programs. i was tops on the wait list back in 06 and it scared me to death and made me feel awkward. turned out i didn't need to feel bad or afraid of it.

good luck. i love the program. especially the kids in my year (current second-years) and i've gotten a ton out of the program so far. my writing and my work ethic (oddly that) have grown exponentially. i have a year and a half of college teaching experience now. there's bullshit too--politics, neurotic behavior, odd incestuousness, etc. but when isn't there? anyway, i went to sfstate for my MA and i feel more at home in this program. on the other hand, and it's nothing to ignore: Tuscaloosa is nicknamed (by us anyway) "tuscalooserville" with good cause. Atlanta is a three hour drive away though.
good luck,
tony


v1ctorya


Jan 10, 2008, 12:06 PM

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from what i've heard, and don't quote me on this, asking around my friend circles, they tend to let in people off of the wait lists. seems like a lot of people who get in here also applied to bigger name programs. i was tops on the wait list back in 06 and it scared me to death and made me feel awkward. turned out i didn't need to feel bad or afraid of it.

Yup, I was let in off the wait list last year, but then decided against it. When I got the first call I was 2nd on the list, so that means it went to #3 or so.


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Jan 11, 2008, 12:14 AM

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Hey guys. Do you remember when they notified you last year? I'm trying to hold off on sending my writing sample 'till the last possible minute. Not sure if they actually start reading them close to the 15th, or what.


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v1ctorya


Jan 11, 2008, 9:32 AM

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Hey guys. Do you remember when they notified you last year? I'm trying to hold off on sending my writing sample 'till the last possible minute. Not sure if they actually start reading them close to the 15th, or what.



I got my waitlist notification 2nd week in April.


umass76


Jan 11, 2008, 12:03 PM

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JM,

In 2006, their first acceptance was sent by phone on 2/14. That was for poetry.

In 2007, their first acceptance was sent by phone on 2/24. That was also for poetry. Their first reported fiction acceptance was on 3/5, also by phone.

So, Alabama should be considered an "early reporter."

This is all taken from data on The Suburban Ecstasies.

Take care,
Seth


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Jan 11, 2008, 6:24 PM

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Wow, thanks guys. I better get on the ball!


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lytonyawename



Feb 9, 2008, 6:36 PM

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they also called a fiction person on 14 feb in 2006, offered said person a fellowship a few days later. i got my notification on the 5th of march. i know plenty of people who didn't get off the wait list until april, and a couple much later. someone who had been wait listed the year before also got in.


danielaolsz


Feb 9, 2008, 7:18 PM

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According to Seth's site, Alabama e-mailed at least one fiction writer in January!

Any idea when poets are being notified?


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vertigone


Feb 23, 2008, 11:43 PM

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now i'm wondering...
i was waitlisted the past 2 years. helps me or hurts my chances at this point? who knows. i wasn't offered anything either time, but Bama's still my top pick. why do i keep applying?

cause it sounds great.

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Glyph


Mar 3, 2008, 4:04 PM

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Is anyone still waiting to hear from Alabama for fiction? I know a bunch of rejections went out about a week ago, and acceptances have been spread out randomly over the past month and a half... I haven't heard anything, and I'm feeling anxious (and slightly hopeful). Anyone know what's up? Do they send both rejections and acceptances on a rolling basis?


readytorun


Mar 3, 2008, 4:13 PM

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I'm still waiting, too, and I'm wondering what the heck's up. My hopes get higher and higher every day I don't receive a rejection letter, but I don't know. I'm tempted to call, but I'm a little scared.


dilton


Mar 3, 2008, 4:13 PM

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I was writing pretty much that exact post when my power went out this morning. I haven't heard anything from Alabama (fiction) and sure would like to know what to think.


Glyph


Mar 4, 2008, 6:50 AM

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I just saw on the "Are we there yet?" blog that someone got a rejection letter from Alabama yesterday (3/3)... guess we're not safe yet...

If I don't hear from them in a week (and I'm hoping that I don't if it's a rejection!), I think I might call them. I know that, in years past, they haven't called people on the waitlist.


jezebelsriot


Mar 4, 2008, 9:54 AM

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I broke down and called yesterday. I just couldn't take it anymore. The woman I spoke with said they've sent out rejections based on the writing sample and made offers of acceptance to people. I am in neither camp, putting in me in a frustrating, panicked limbo that is not even a waitlist yet. There has to be an easier way to accomplish all of this that does not lead to all of this hysteria among us.

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