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hamira


Nov 5, 2005, 1:29 AM

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I've read good things about their writing program, but I would like to hear from someone who has attended or knows someone who knows someone whathaveyou. I would also like specifics on how weighty they evaluate the Lit Subject Test on the GRE (which they require).


(This post was edited by motet on Jan 19, 2006, 7:57 AM)


rooblue


Nov 5, 2005, 10:04 AM

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Johns Hopkins' main program is an MA -- not an MFA -- program. They recently started an MFA program, but it's very small, my understanding is it's only four or five students per year. Intensely competitive as you might imagine, and the rumor I heard is that students from the MA program get preferential admittance to the MFA program. That's strictly a rumor, though. I know two fiction writers who've been through the MA program. They both appreciated it although one person said she didn't get as much personal attention from her advisors as she'd hoped. I know nothing about their entrance requirements for scores.


lauramieko


Dec 12, 2005, 1:09 PM

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hi hamira,

i graduated from the MA program's final year, so i can't answer more specific questions regarding new MFA program. but i am happy to offer you some general reflections on the writing seminars' grad program.

i was very pleased with my time at hopkins. my peers in the grad workshop were excellent writers and readers, willing and able to give incisive, critical and encouraging feedback. i didn't encounter any of the gruesome "mean-ness" you hear about in some programs. i felt that both of the graduate workshop profs (Stephen Dixon & Alice McDermott) were accessible and responsive, and i've kept in touch with both of them since graduating.

i didn't feel that i had a great amount of support as a new instructor, teaching an undergrad lit/creative writing course for the first time. although billed as a TA, you'll be totally and completely responsible for everything (perhaps this is standard?). there was (and i assume, still is) a supervisor for writing sems grad student TAs; we had a short prep seminar and one teaching consultation with him during our teaching semester.

hope this helps -

lm


cymbeline


Jan 16, 2006, 3:20 PM

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I applied to Johns Hopkins, too--how hard was that Subject Test? Jeez. There should be a whole "forum" here devoted to that monster. It sure would have helped me if someone had told me going in that that test that is primarily a speed-reading exercise. Has anyone gotten their scores back yet? I haven't, and I took it on November 12.


gussy

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Feb 27, 2006, 10:21 PM

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Hi,

I just logged on for the first time to my JHU Application Status Webpage, and to my despair there is a "No" under almost all materials they should have received. Is it possible that these webpages are not updated? Has anybody else experienced the same (horrible) thing? Now I'm beginning to fear they may not have received my packet... I know, I should contact JHU right away. But I won't be able to do so until tomorrow morning. And there's a looong way till tomorrow morning, so I was hoping somebody at the forum might have good info on the JHU online system. Thanks !


sibyline


Feb 27, 2006, 10:39 PM

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hmmm.... mine shows the same thing. must just be their system being slow to update... let us know if you find anything else out...


gussy

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Feb 27, 2006, 10:46 PM

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Thanks ! This is relieving. The possibility that both your packet and mine got lost on their way to JHU is so unlikely that yes, the JHU people must be slow updating the damned thing... Good, let's keep each other posted (and everyone else who's applied to JHU). Thanks again !


sarandipidy


Feb 27, 2006, 10:57 PM

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I had a similar problem with Oregon, where it had been over a month and they hadn't logged anything, so I emailed them and they responded by sending a confirmation email and updating my site.


orangegirl


Feb 27, 2006, 11:28 PM

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mine shows the same thing.


gussy

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Feb 28, 2006, 11:32 AM

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Hi,

I e-mailed JHU and they told me that their "new" online system still has some glitches and bugs, that's why things on our end don't look as they should. Ha.

I also asked about notifications, but they responded with an ominous silence...


clarabow


Mar 8, 2006, 4:55 PM

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REJECTED BY MAIL TODAY FROM JHU FICTION
TIme to party.


cyclical



Mar 8, 2006, 5:16 PM

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Really, now...are there any other major MFA programs out there that require a GRE?

"We judge every applicant by the uniqueness of their writing sample and their individual potential as a writer, but we require you to take a subjective and arbitrary standardized test along with the rest of the mindless lemmings just as a precaution, thank you very much. After all, we here at The Johns Hopkins University have no way of knowing--despite your writing sample and your undergraduate degree transcripts--whether or not you can actually spell."

Screw that.


HopperFu


Mar 8, 2006, 5:39 PM

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Really, now...are there any other major MFA programs out there that require a GRE?

whoops. Edited to reflect the fact that I'm a moron and didn't notice that we were talking about the GRE SUBJECT test.


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mandavogel


Mar 9, 2006, 1:18 PM

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Well maybe I'm just a rebel (an on-the-verge-of rejection rebel, that is), but I believe Hopkins "highly recommends" the subject test, which is not exactly synonymous with "requires" so I pretended to have never read that section and sent in a tight application sans GRE-subject test. I am an English teacher, for one, and feel as though taking this test is an insult to my hard-earned degree (and professional life) and secondly, between the standard GRE and other applications, I was out of cash.

JHU is my pipe dream anyway, so I wasn't too worried about it. Just my two-sense (cents).

I hear rejection letters are in the mail and unfortunately, I'm on the opposit coast of my mail until late Saturday night, so, as you can imagine, I'm feeling a little anxious instead of enjoying the rest of my sunyn spring break (sigh).


Best of luck, all!

~Manda


cyclical



Mar 12, 2006, 12:32 PM

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Well maybe I'm just a rebel (an on-the-verge-of rejection rebel, that is), but I believe Hopkins "highly recommends" the subject test, which is not exactly synonymous with "requires" so I pretended to have never read that section and sent in a tight application sans GRE-subject test. I am an English teacher, for one, and feel as though taking this test is an insult to my hard-earned degree (and professional life) and secondly, between the standard GRE and other applications, I was out of cash.

From the Johns "We Don't Care If You Are An English Teacher" Hopkins website... "Applicants to the graduate program in The Writing Seminars must submit official notification of GRE scores. The scores need to be sent by the Educational Testing Service directly to Johns Hopkins University. Please note: our Institution code is 5332; our Department code is 2503. Any application lacking GRE scores will be considered incomplete and will not be reviewed" Get thee to a testing center.


sibyline


Mar 12, 2006, 5:27 PM

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As Hopperfu kindly pointed out, Hopkings requires the GENERAL test but the SUBJECT test is optional, though highly recommended. So the previous poster's point is perfectly valid.


franz

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Mar 12, 2006, 6:56 PM

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For everyone's information:
I did not take the GRE Subject test for English and I got into the Writing Seminars. I did, however, study for the GREs. These were my scores:
Verbal: 700 Math: 780 Writing Section: 4.5
I don't know if these scores were a factor or not, but I'm glad I studied. I would have tanked the test otherwise. If it was the X factor that made my application a little more appealing and got me in, it was worth it.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


sibyline


Mar 12, 2006, 7:08 PM

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honestly franz, i doubt it played much of a role if not for the fact that you're a fantastic writer. my GRE scores were pretty similar to yours, though i scored lower in math and higher in analytical writing. i met with the three professors on the admissions committee at Cornell and none of them said anything about the GRE's. they all just talked about how they loved my writing sample. i think it's one of those things where eyebrows are raised if your score is really low, but otherwise, it doesn't add much to your application when it's clear that your writing is awesome.


franz

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Mar 12, 2006, 7:26 PM

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Thanks Sibylline. I agree as far as the GRE goes, but it's probably helpful to people to know that taking the Advanced subject test isn't an issue. And my GRE score may come in handy if I pursue a second masters in Deaf Studies, which I am considering.
Right now I'm 95% for going to JHU. Brown could still change my mind, but when in the world are they going to let people know?!? I'm already on the verge of changing my ticket itinerary to the east coast for a second time. I don't want to do it a third time if I can help it. I wonder if it would be appropriate to email Brown about my travel itinerary dilemma... or maybe I should just wait.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


sibyline


Mar 12, 2006, 8:05 PM

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i think it's appropriate to call if you're travelling all the way across the country. good luck deciding. i'm still kinda bummed that we won't be in the same program, but we should meet up in new york sometime if you end up going to either jhu or brown.


clarabow


Mar 12, 2006, 8:18 PM

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Sybyline, did you get into UMass Fiction like Franz? Is that what you mean? If so, congrats.

Franz, JHU is awesome. I hope you get into Brown, but I know you'll be happy at JHU. If you're wondering...I bet it was writing that got you in. My verbal and analytical writing scores were higher than yours, but I was rejected from Johns Hopkins.

Good luck!


clarabow


Mar 12, 2006, 8:22 PM

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Sorry, Sibyline, I just remembered you're going to Cornell. Again, congrats!


cyclical



Mar 12, 2006, 10:45 PM

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As Hopperfu kindly pointed out, Hopkings requires the GENERAL test but the SUBJECT test is optional, though highly recommended. So the previous poster's point is perfectly valid.



That's just super, but I wasn't attempting to question the validity of the previous poster. GENERAL, SUBJECT, OBJECT, DRIVER'S...it's still a standarized test, isn't it?

Maybe my opinion that standardized tests for grad programs that don't require medical boards or Bar examinations as a bit overboard is out of whack, but then again, I'm not nearly accomplished as most of the posters here, so what do I know. Me like to write muchly.


sibyline


Mar 12, 2006, 10:54 PM

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you quoted mandavogel's post in which she said that she applied without having taken the GRE subject test, and then quoted the portion of the JHU site that instructs people to send their GRE tests. then your post ended with "get thee to a testing center."

i fail to see how one could conclude that you were not questioning mandavogel's line of reasoning based on what you actually wrote. she said that she sent in a tight application *without* the *subject* test, which to me clearly implied that she took the *general* test. so she did go to a testing center. she just didn't do it twice.


cyclical



Mar 12, 2006, 11:06 PM

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You got me there, Matlock. I was really just trying to bash Johns Hopkins.

If it wasn't for you and those meddling kids, I'd have gotten away with it.

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