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dahosek
D. A. Hosek

Oct 22, 2013, 2:46 PM

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17K a year means that you'll need to have at least one roommate. Housing will likely be your biggest expense. Then a car. And maybe you'll have a bit left leftover for food. Investigating freeganism would be a good idea.


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TonyB79
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Oct 23, 2013, 1:07 PM

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Freeganism?


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Oct 23, 2013, 2:07 PM

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Scavenging free food.


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Oct 23, 2013, 2:48 PM

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I once heard that was how journalists make their living these days.


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Oct 23, 2013, 5:03 PM

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MFA graduates, too.


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Oct 23, 2013, 6:23 PM

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Isn't that just a fancy name for dumpster diving? Yuck.
I've lived in Southern California my entire life, and I wouldn't attempt to do it on $17K a year. In Irvine, you would need more than one roommate to get by on that. I don't know how much student housing is, but we lived in a cheaper area of OC than Irvine and we paid $1545 a month in rent for a 2-bedroom apartment, and that was the cheapest one we could find. I don't see how you could afford half of that on $17K a year. Definitely check student housing though, because it might be cheaper. Irvine is very expensive.


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Oct 23, 2013, 6:44 PM

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Thanks for the info, everyone!

While I've got you all on the line, so to speak...does anyone know anything about pursuing dual master's programs? I'm thinking of going for my master's in education as well as my mfa in writing, and wondering if some of the electives, lit courses, teaching experience and so on might be used to satisfy some of the requirements for the other.


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Oct 23, 2013, 7:05 PM

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Goddard has a program where you can get a teaching certification with one extra semester.


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Oct 23, 2013, 7:25 PM

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I'm hoping to go the full residency route.


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Oct 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

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I can't imagine doing two full-time master's programs simultaneously.

I did a low res MFA (VCFA) and the time commitment was pretty high. They expected at least 25 hours a week. And if you're doing a full residency program, you may have other commitments too if you apply for funding, which you mentioned previously. You might be teaching several courses a semester for the MFA program, and there would almost certainly be a teaching component for the master's in education too. Do you already have a teaching credential?


TonyB79
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Oct 23, 2013, 11:40 PM

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I was thinking more along the lines of finishing my MFA, then applying some of the composition credits, electives, and teaching hours/etc. toward requirements for an education degree. I definitely plan on at least getting a teaching licensure, so I can teach high school in addition to college courses.

I'm hoping to get into a fully funded program for the MFA; applying to about ten different schools throughout December and January. Irvine may ultimately get bumped off the list, since I doubt 17k is enough to get by on in Greater LA. Probably stick to more Midwestern and rural programs: Oregon State, Boise State, Virginia Tech, etc.


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dahosek
D. A. Hosek

Oct 24, 2013, 10:39 AM

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As a general rule, coursework for one graduate degree cannot be applied to another graduate degree. The only real exception to that is PhD programs that do not require a master's degree may reduce coursework for students with a master's degree in the same field. Grad study is very specialized.

The teaching hours that you might put in for an MFA are irrelevant for a K-12 education degree (K-12 teaching and college teaching are completely different beasts). As a matter of things making the most financial sense, if you're looking at doing K-12 teaching, get the ed degree first, then do the MFA low-res while teaching. Assuming you're teaching something vaguely relevant (English/language arts), the MFA coursework will advance you into higher tiers and improve your earnings. The other way around it does you no good at all in most schools.

That scenario, incidentally, is pretty much the only one where getting an MFA could increase your income. Most often, getting an MFA is a route to reduced earnings.


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Marta
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Nov 25, 2013, 3:27 AM

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To teach in a college one just needs an adult teaching credential, and that does not require an MF or a BA?


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Nov 25, 2013, 10:31 AM

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Marta,

Where I live, you have to have an advanced degree (post-bachelor's) with a minimum of 18 hours concentration in the courses you teach. These are the requirements to adjunct at the community colleges and the universities in the area. An MFA qualifies you to teach English comp classes, creative writing classes, business writing classes, literature classes, etc.

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Nov 25, 2013, 3:01 PM

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But there are always exceptions for geniuses. A friend of mine is a full, tenured professor (at Temple) without a college degree of any kind.


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Nov 26, 2013, 4:19 PM

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Are you talking about Samuel Delany?!


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Nov 26, 2013, 5:15 PM

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Yes.


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arsenicstings
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Jan 6, 2014, 4:52 PM

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I am joining this thread rather late but, I figured any advice is good advice.
Concerning living on 17k a year, yes it is extremely difficult, but possible. I have been living IN Los Angeles, Hollywood, North Hollywood, Encino, Burbank, for the past three years. I am assuming the living expenses are similar in Los Angeles and Irvine. I came out here a month after I graduated and I was making about 17k a year for the first two years I lived out here. I did have roommates. I did not have money for luxuries, however, being independent, I did have health insurance (including dental) gym membership, bought organic food, and the occasional recreational outing or luxury. Don't bump a prospective school off your list based off of difficulty. I think it's possible and if you want to make it work you will find a way.
I am also applying for UC Irvine.
Good Luck!!!


dahosek
D. A. Hosek

Jan 6, 2014, 10:17 PM

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Having lived in both LA and the OC, my sense was that rents for comparable areas were higher in the OC than in LA. There's also not much of a middle ground in apartment buildings: There tends to be nice and expensive and crummy and cheap with little middle ground. Irvine proper is going to be expensive to live in. Santa Ana, Garden Grove and Anaheim might be the best options to look at for housing.
-dh


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writerle


Jan 7, 2014, 12:57 AM

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I think OC tends to be quite a bit higher than L.A. too. I grew up in L.A. County, but I lived in OC for 5 years (just moved away 8 months ago). The rents have been going up dramatically the past couple of years. I don't see how anyone could live on $17K a year in Irvine. I don't know of any areas in that city that are cheap. Like someone else said, Anaheim and Santa Ana are fairly close, but the apartments in those cities that are going to be cheap are going to be in very rough neighborhoods. It would be doable with a lot of roommates if you don't mind sharing a room with someone.
As a comparison, our rent in Rancho Santa Margarita (very nice area about 20 minutes south of Irvine) was $1550 for a 2-bedroom, 2-bath apartment. Ours was the cheapest complex in the city and RSM was probably the cheapest city in South OC. You could find a 2-bedroom for $1300 + a month in North OC, or a 1-bedroom for around $1100 at the very cheapest, but those would be in pretty high-crime areas.
Of course, I don't know what sort of student housing options UCI offers, but it might be worth looking into. Maybe on-campus housing would be cheaper?


dahosek
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Jan 7, 2014, 10:16 AM

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We did find a nice place in Garden Grove (11750 Euclid, if you must know). The other problem is that living out of Irvine forces you to have a car which can erase any savings in rent.
-dh


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writerle


Jan 7, 2014, 11:00 AM

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I used to live on Dale Street in Garden Grove (very marginal neighborhood, but not terrible). But that was about 15 years ago. Back then, we were paying $900 for a very tiny, 900 sq. ft. house. No idea what the same house would cost now. Garden Grove does have some nice areas.

I would say in general that it's very difficult to live in So-Cal without a car. Public transportation is terrible here. If you don't live on campus, you would almost have to have a car. And even if you do live on campus, you would need one if you wanted to get pretty much anywhere else.


frida
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Mar 30, 2014, 2:16 PM

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Hi all!
Really useful thread. I've read a lot about SFSU, but nearly nothing on CCA, and wondered if anyone has any experience this year. I've been accepted by SFSU and CCA and don't know which one to choose. SFSU is 13,000 a year, no funding. CCA is 35,000 a year, but have offered me a renewable scholarship of 17,000 a year.
I'm really, really appealed by CCA's interdisciplinary approach (you must take visual arts classes), motto and mentoring program. Put off by the tuition fees of course, but with the scholarship it ends up as 18,000. So my question is - is the CCA program good enough to warrant paying an extra 5,000 a year?
Aah! I really don't know!! Will it be better for my later job prospects to have gone to a state uni (more competitive) rather than a 'pay your way' college? IS CCA a 'pay your way' college? Or does the quality of the teaching reflect the high cost? Will it be better for my later job prospects to have received a merit fellowship? Any comments at all on CCA would be very much appreciated.
Thanks!


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