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sharonlouise


Sep 9, 2004, 12:14 PM

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Anyone hear anything about the Hunter MFA program? It's prettty new....was wondering what the word was.


nomojo
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Sep 9, 2004, 1:51 PM

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In-state tuition definitely has its appeal if you're in NY. I've heard a few good comments about Hunter, I don't remember specifics. Their admissions are competitive at least and their "Distinguished Writers Series" has some impressive voices. With the CUNY schools though I don't know how much financial support in the form of assistantships, etc. is available. Their poetry faculty appears to be solid (William Pitt Root I think), especially considering potential visiting writers. I'm not sure who they have now. I don't think their fiction faculty is too substantial.

http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/news/events.shtml

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rtperson
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Sep 15, 2004, 4:41 PM

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A few months ago Hunter announced (via email) that Peter Carey would be heading up their MFA program, which would have been a huge win on the fiction side of things, and caused me to give them a second look. But as I haven't heard anything else about it, and since I don't see Carey listed as a permanent faculty on their website, I assume the deal fell through. Does anyone else know the story with this one?

As for costs, Hunter, like all CUNY programs, is very inexpensive.


anabobo


Mar 29, 2005, 12:55 PM

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Just wanted to update this post I'll likely be attending the Hunter program in the Fall (made the short list), so I've researched it well. I've lived in New York for years and didn't feel like moving for school; out of NYC programs Hunter impressed me as really the best bang for the buck.

Peter Carey is indeed the Program Director & teaches fiction, he appears involved and enthusiastic, and the poetry (which is my focus) is also very solid. The faculty and former students gave an inspired (and well-attended) Open House which is always a good sign. The program offers a fellowship to teach "Intro to CW" in the 2nd year. The minimal debt and teaching experience did it for me depends on your priorities, but to me a lack of financial burden = more personal freedom and writing time in the future. For more check out their new website:
http://sapientia.hunter.cuny.edu/~creativewriting/



(This post was edited by anabobo on Mar 29, 2005, 1:37 PM)


happycat


Feb 19, 2006, 12:54 PM

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I know you posted almost a year ago and might not ever see this, but did you wind up going to Hunter College? What do you think of it? I've just been informed that I'm on the shortlist, and that they may want an answer before I even hear back from the other schools I applied to (all are in New York), and I don't know what to do. I think I really like Hunter, but I feel like I don't know anything.

Any advice?


Aubrie


Feb 19, 2006, 1:34 PM

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Happycat - how did they inform you? And what did you apply in?
I'm waiting to hear on Hunter too (!!!)


happycat


Feb 19, 2006, 5:11 PM

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Fiction. The man Peter Carey himself called me Friday. He said they got 200 apps, the short list is 12, and they can only accept five. Watch me get all excited now and not get in.


Aubrie


Feb 19, 2006, 5:25 PM

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Wow - I had no idea that Hunter was so competitive. It looks like I didn't make the short list!
i'm assuming that you're a New Yorker, and Hunter is great for the $ alone. And Peter Carey heading up the program is huge.
5 people. Wow.
I wish you the best of luck. I think it's a great program!


miekekoo


Feb 19, 2006, 5:42 PM

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Congrats on the shortlist status, happycat! You should feel really great about making it this far.

It seems odd that Hunter would notify people at this stage, before they actually whittle the list down to their top five. Are they trying to suss out who will likely accept? You should get in touch with current students to find out what they think of the program. Most programs are happy to give out students' contact info, at least to the lucky few that they want to choose their school.

Aubrie, I'm rooting for you! I think you'll get in somewhere--just a gut feeling.


Aubrie


Feb 19, 2006, 11:39 PM

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Kate - thanks so much!
The waiting is killing me. I just want to know and get on with my life!
School or no school, this mail/email/voicemail obsession MUST end!!!!
[it still stings a little to know that I didn't get a phone call on Friday... <sigh> Such is life.]


hmm


Feb 23, 2006, 2:53 PM

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By "inexpensive," I hope you mean free. There are a lot of MFA programs which will give you a full tuition waiver and a small stipend for living expenses (rent, food...). If you have to pay any tuition at all for an MFA degree, they're ripping you off.

Columbia is famous for that.


brooklynpoet


Mar 1, 2006, 6:54 PM

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hc,

I went to the open house at Hunter in late fall. I'm a poet so I didn't talk to the fiction faculty, but I think I have a sense of the program generally. I'd be happy to answer questions, but be warned that I was pretty turned off by their approach to admissions and didn't apply there.

I did apply to City College. But I don't particularly want to go to night school.

brooklynpoet


flatiron10


Mar 1, 2006, 8:32 PM

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Brooklynpoet-- what did you not like about hunter? i'm looking around for programs to apply to next year and was thinking about hunter. are they not nice to prospective students?


Aubrie


Mar 1, 2006, 10:12 PM

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Brooklynpoet - I'd be interested too. The only open house I didn't make it to was Hunter. What was it about their admissions policy that you weren't keen on?
For the record - I adored Columbia's open house and was so-so on New School's and NYU's.
There was such a warm feeling at Columbia's open house.
<sigh>
Sure would like to go to Columbia.

p.s. - I live right next to the Gowanus Canal. It's super industrial and fantastic and there are not a million people pushing baby strollers and sipping on lattes. I love it.


brooklynpoet


Mar 2, 2006, 1:33 AM

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Aubrie,

I'm in Sunset Park.

I'm kind of hesitant to say anything negative about any program, given that it's a completely personal reaction. Hunter is a great school, and the current students who attended the open house raved about the program. Well, of course disaffected students couldn't be expected to show up, but since there are so few students altogether, it was a healthy sample. It's a relatively young program--I forget how long they've been awarding the MFA, but I think it's around six or eight years.

What I didn't like about the application process was exactly the "shortlist" issue. The poetry faculty (I have no idea if fiction and nonfiction function this way; they met separately) explained that they were looking for people for whom Hunter is the first choice. That's understandable on the face of it--what program wouldn't want people who are excited about attending?--but it seemed to me there was an underlying anxiety about the program possibly being a "safety" school for applicants who really want to go to Columbia, NYU, etc., but who aren't accepted. They said they contact their first choices (the shortlist) and attempt to ascertain who is committed to Hunter before making the final decision. This seems manipulative to me. I prefer programs that don't pressure you to commit before the national signing day of April 15, when presumably you'll have heard from all your schools and can make a considered choice.

It's likely that most of us will make a decision before then, especially since so many people get into only one program, if any. Certainly the schools I've heard from thus far have made no secret of the fact that they'd prefer a response sooner rather than later. But they don't strike me as quite so "in-group-y." I admit I was a little turned off by the insularity at Hunter.

Plus they don't give you any funding whatsoever. Tuition is far cheaper than the other NYC schools (except for CUNY programs), but Hunter, like City College and Brooklyn, schedules all courses in the evening because they expect the students to be working full-time during the day. One of the students who spoke at the open house said she's working two jobs (presumably part-time), teaching, and working on her thesis. Not encouraging.

Hunter's definitely up-and-coming and great for people who know they want or need to be in NYC. Especially for those who prefer a small program and one that approaches coursework from the "craft" side rather than the "theory" side. It just wasn't right for me.

I'd encourage anybody who has been accepted and is seriously considering it to visit and meet the faculty. I'm thinking the only way to really determine where you want to be is to experience it first-hand.

I hope this somewhat vague response is helpful....

brooklynpoet


flatiron10


Mar 2, 2006, 4:07 AM

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Definitely helpful. I myself was a bit quizzicle about the whole "you're in--so you definitely coming here right?" approach they have to admissions. It doesn't seem practical. Like, it makes sense to have hunter as your first choice, but if you get full funding somewhere else, free is definitely a better situation than $8,000. They make money a giant factor on the website, so why wouldn't it be to prospective students? Strange.

I'm still going to check it out, thanks for the input though!


Ditchcake


Mar 2, 2006, 11:02 AM

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Hey-
I totally hear what BrooklynPoet is saying about the shortlist at Hunter, and it's seriously disconcerting to know that they said straight-out at the open house that they're using the shortlist phonecall to weed out people who don't sound... excited enough.
In fact, I was probably one of those people.
I got a shortlist phonecall (12 ppl to be narrowed down to 5 - fiction) on Fri., Feb. 17, from the director Peter Carey -- it was totally unexpected (doesnt the website say shortlist arrives at the end of March?) -- I was taken off guard and hadnt heard back anything from anywhere else yet, and when he said something along the lines of "We dont want to offer one of our 5 spots to someone only to hear a month later that theyre going somewhere else," I, for some inexplicable reason, said something stupid like, "Well, I have applied to some other schools..." (I have this kneejerk thing about keeping my options open, I guess.) It seems to have been the ethical, but absolutely wrong, thing to say, and I kicked myself right after getting off the phone. [For the record, Prof. Carey sounded perfectly nice and even jokey on the phone. Oh, so sneaky!] Then, gathering myself the next week, I called and arranged a meeting with the program coordinator to discuss Hunter.
Lo and behold, the night before my Hunter meeting, I get a rejection EMAIL from Peter Carey (ouch -- cmon, man, why you gotta hurt me like that?). I called the coordinator the next morning to see if that even means I'm on a waitlist or what (my email said the word "REJECTED" in it... and other less noticeable words too). Then things got weird and she couldnt even find my name on the shortlist, and she's supposed to get back to me about that, but that's another story... and if anyone in the Hunter offices reads this forum, they now know exactly who I am. Oops.
Anyway, just needed to get that off my back. I don't know where Hunter was on my list -- I actually chose not to make a list, because I assumed I would get a lot of rejections and then judge among the meager acceptance pile (if any) at the end of the whole process. And the more I learned about Hunter after being shortlisted, the more I liked it. But now they wont know that, perhaps because I was so flustered on the phone (or, let's be honest, maybe my writing is just worse than the others on the shortlist by far).
So, the moral of the story is, if anyone wants to send Peter Carey some spam, I can hook you up. (Kidding, Hunter office, kidding!)

-Ditchcake

P.S. Someone mentioned a global April 15 decision day - what's that about? And isn't City College's application deadline May 1, or did I misread that? Thanks.


Aubrie


Mar 2, 2006, 11:31 AM

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Ditchcake - that's really bizarre. Shortlist to rejection like that? Sounds like Hunter has some sort of inferiority complex.
Too bad because it seems like they've got a great program going.
Oh well.
Who needs $125 anyways?


franz

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Mar 2, 2006, 1:57 PM

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Hey-
In fact, I was probably one of those people.
I got a shortlist phonecall...


Wow, I sympathize. I didn't apply to Hunter, and I don't know anything about the program, but I now know that my opinion of the school, no matter who is on the faculty, etc., will be ranking right down there with the local community college comp program. $125 app fee AND they do that?!! As far as I'm concerned, those two things automatically make them a subpar program.
Ditchcake, you're going to get other offers, I think, from schools who will treat you better.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


brooklynpoet


Mar 3, 2006, 2:09 AM

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Oh, jeez, now I'm kind of sorry I was so diplomatic in my last post. Ouch! sorry to hear it, ditchcake.

That was me who mentioned April 15. This is word-for-word from my acceptance-by-email from Florida:

"We observe the national signing day of April 15, before which you should not feel compelled by anyone to make a decision. If you do make a decision to accept our offer or decline it before that time, however, do please let me know. It will help us form the best class we can. We encourage all of our applicants to carefully consider all the offers they get and to go to the school that they want to go to."

So there you go, sibyl, UFlorida and Cornell have a similar approach. I would have applied to Cornell, but I don't like snow. Syracuse, too.

BP


murasaki
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Mar 11, 2006, 4:37 PM

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I took a look at the Hunter program and was really impressed -- the copy alone drew me in and told me that they were very serious.

I'm also attracted (mentally, of course) to the writers they have on staff. Peter Carey and Colson Whitehead are two of my favorites. They are also both commercial and critical successes.

It doesn't look like either of them have MFAs of their own.

Does anyone know? Did Peter Carey actually study creative writing in a university setting?


anabobo


Mar 11, 2006, 4:57 PM

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Hi,

happycat, I saw your question a little too late -- not sure if you made your decision yet...

Anyway, I'm in the Poetry program at Hunter, second semester, and I'm very, very happy with it... The poets are a talented, laid-back bunch, and we've all become pretty close -- the profs. are supportive & give a great deal, poetically & intellectually. I haven't talked much with the fiction students so I don't have first-hand knowledge of that part of the program. In any case, good luck with your decision & whichever school you ultimately decide for.

Ana


MDeGezelle


Mar 31, 2006, 11:13 AM

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Happy Friday.

Is anyone out there on the HUNTER waitlist? If so, have you any info about the waitlist other than the e-mail that went out?

Also, can anyone tell me more about BROOKLYN's poetry program-thumbs up? down? anything? I have been in contact with Sapphire and I know that she is taking the next semester off (I'm guessing longer), which leaves Lisa Jarnot, Julie Agoos, Rick Pearse, and Lou Asekoff - all fine poets. I just don't know much about the program as a whole. The website says that they only offer teaching opportunities to those with experience. How else is one supposed to gain experience?


rusty_bucket


Apr 1, 2006, 12:51 AM

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I'm on the Hunter waitlist for poetry... was notified via a nice email from Donna Masini that said she hoped I'd be pleased to be on a "very short list." How short can it be, though, if there are at least two people on it posting in this thread alone? She did not say where I am ranked. I think she mentioned she'd be in touch within the next couple weeks. Oh - she mentioned I might come to a reading by Jonathan Franzen next week to meet them. I replied with regrets regarding attending the Franzen reading, but offered to come in any other time. She didn't write me back.

Hey, I applied to Brooklyn and the admissions office lost my transcript. Twice. They didn't forward my application (which had a really wonderful letter of praise in it from a certain big beautiful frost medal-winning poet) to the program. My rejection letter came the day before I received a letter from admissions stating that they had finally found my transcript and forwarded my application to the program (though they sure cashed that $125 check within seconds of receiving it!!)! The school seems totally disorganized. A good friend went for a BFA undergrad in visual arts, and said its a bureaucratic disaster. It was nigh impossible to get anyone on the phone besides sassy 18-year-old undergrads doing work study. If you have time for the pain, though, Sapphire is full time there (albeit on sabbatical next fall), and I think it would be really fun to be in her workshop.

Anyhow, we should all be getting our MAs in some kind of literature instead. Learning the canon.
As the thirsty fox said - I'm sure those grapes are sour anyway!



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Happy Friday.

Is anyone out there on the HUNTER waitlist? If so, have you any info about the waitlist other than the e-mail that went out?

Also, can anyone tell me more about BROOKLYN's poetry program-thumbs up? down? anything? I have been in contact with Sapphire and I know that she is taking the next semester off (I'm guessing longer), which leaves Lisa Jarnot, Julie Agoos, Rick Pearse, and Lou Asekoff - all fine poets. I just don't know much about the program as a whole. The website says that they only offer teaching opportunities to those with experience. How else is one supposed to gain experience?



MDeGezelle


Apr 4, 2006, 2:07 PM

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rusty_bucket...
Thanks for the reply. Sorry to hear about the Brooklyn deal. It's probably where I'll end up going because of location, but I am still holding out for word on Hunter. I received the same e-mail that you did, wrote back and received no reply. I called the program director to ask about my # on the list or when I might expect to hear and she said that only the committee knows.
Oh well. If you are notified, would you post or send me a message.

Thanks and good luck!

........



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I'm on the Hunter waitlist for poetry... was notified via a nice email from Donna Masini that said she hoped I'd be pleased to be on a "very short list."
Hey, I applied to Brooklyn and the admissions office lost my transcript. Twice.

Anyhow, we should all be getting our MAs in some kind of literature instead. Learning the canon.
As the thirsty fox said - I'm sure those grapes are sour anyway!



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Happy Friday.

Is anyone out there on the HUNTER waitlist? If so, have you any info about the waitlist other than the e-mail that went out?

Also, can anyone tell me more about BROOKLYN's poetry program-thumbs up? down? anything?



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