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chezza
Cheryl Ross

Jun 25, 2004, 5:43 AM

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Is there not going to be an interactive conference similar to Your Writing anymore? Will members have a place to post and discuss their poetry or short stories?


anneo98
Anne O'Malley

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Jun 25, 2004, 7:31 AM

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Looks like this is all there's going to be, independent threaded messages, a lot of clicking, and no connections between posts.
and a lot of cutesy smiley faces to entertain us while we try to figure out where we are and where we're going.
I really resent being called a beginner here, too

<<waving at Chezza, wherever she may be lurking>>


jason
Jason K. Chapman / Moderator

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Jun 25, 2004, 9:38 AM

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Looks like this is all there's going to be, independent threaded messages, a lot of clicking, and no connections between posts.

For those who liked the old Speakeasy's layout, it will take some getting used to. And if there had been an option, we definitely would have chosen an easier transition. Unfortunately, there wasn't. By the same token, there are also many people who never participated in the Speakeasy because they had difficulty with the old system's structure. It's sort of a "big endian" vs. "little endian" thing. We chose this particular program because it allows for both flat and threaded formats.

Connections between posts is actually one of the advantages of the Gossamer-Threads system. Replying to a post makes that connection, keeping a particular chain of discussion together by relating the reply directly to the original post without intervening posts that may not be related. Of course, there's nothing that says you can't keep a wide-ranging discussion contained within a single thread/topic, either. In that way, and viewed in "flat mode," it would be little different from the old Motet layout.


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a lot of cutesy smiley faces


Those are an option, as well as the avatars and markup in posts. If the community decides that it doesn't want them, we can always turn them off.


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I really resent being called a beginner here, too


Sorry about that. The little ranking thing is based on post count, and some of the post counts either didn't make the transition or got confused because of changing user names or numbers. As to the actual titles, as soon as I can come up with a better list, I'll use it.

Please keep in mind that we recognize that any online community develops a culture all its own, and the last thing we want to do is try to change, override, or quash that culture. Instead, we want to provide a place that will both accommodate it and allow it to flourish. The new system is infintely customizable. If neccessary, and given time, we can rewrite it to do whatever is required by the Speakeasy community. That's why the suggestion box is here.

We ask that you give it some time. When a favorite old pair of comfortable shoes finally wears out, the new ones are never as good--at first. But eventually you get used to them, and they get broken in. The Speakeasy was never about one piece of software or another, it's always been about the community. We're just trying to provide the best place we can for the community to gather.


(This post was edited by jason on Jun 25, 2004, 9:47 AM)


motet
Dana Davis / Moderator
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Jun 25, 2004, 9:42 AM

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Is there not going to be an interactive conference similar to Your Writing anymore? Will members have a place to post and discuss their poetry or short stories?



I'm sorry, Cheryl but no, Poets & Writers has decided not to continue with a Your Writing style conference. The discussions here will focus on the business of writing and other topics concerning the magazine.


motet
Dana Davis / Moderator
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Jun 25, 2004, 9:48 AM

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anneo98 said: I really resent being called a beginner here, too



Well, Judy, if you had registered under your real name instead of a phony ID, the software would have listed you as a veteran.


shgould


Jun 25, 2004, 10:33 AM

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I am sad to know I will not be able to read the poetry of so many people that have touched me throughout the years here...

I really am in no need of knowing the 'business'...I suppose I will go wandering to find another site where I can post poetry and read the work of others...

If anyone knows of a site I am open to suggestions...Your Writing was home to me for many years...It will be a tough act to follow.


(This post was edited by shgould on Jun 25, 2004, 10:35 AM)


anneo98
Anne O'Malley

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Jun 25, 2004, 1:05 PM

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the 'real name', dana, was deleted long ago by the current admin. it no longer exists, as far as I know. this was one that somehow slid by. Feel free to take this one too. and this isnt phony, by the way. It's been used by me, for seven or eight years. bloody big deal.


anneo98
Anne O'Malley

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Jun 25, 2004, 1:06 PM

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shaon, you still have an open account at Fresh Press, dont forget, and you are more than welcome there. It also still uses motet.


yol
Yoli C
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Jun 25, 2004, 2:30 PM

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shaon, you still have an open account at Fresh Press, dont forget, and you are more than welcome there. It also still uses motet.


Whoa- Hey Cheryl, Sharon and all you guys.
A bit of the twilight zone meets the electronic generation?
Gosh it feels weird.

I do have a question. What happened to the threads that were not archived?
For instance I was looking for "poetic realm" and could not find it.


anneo98
Anne O'Malley

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Jun 25, 2004, 3:00 PM

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jason, thank you for the response. I appreciate the time you took to answer without growling. *g*

I have never been a fan of threaded messages, and if speakeasy is going to also wipe out eight years of very good poetry simply because it doesnt suit the style any longer, well that's a bigger shame than you can imagine. I do hope people will be allowed access to their own work, I know a lot of folks here used this place as a storage site, (which is unwise, at best), and they need to gather their stuff together on their own computers before it's lost for good.

Having been here under one name or another since 1997, I have some really good early memories of this place, and made some good friends, as well as found some really gifted poets here. too bad they wont have that chance any longer.

Ah, well. things change, not always for the best. Be well, have fun.


motet
Dana Davis / Moderator
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Jun 25, 2004, 3:19 PM

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I do have a question. What happened to the threads that were not archived?
For instance I was looking for "poetic realm" and could not find it.




Thanks for passing along your observation. I'm checking that out now. As a matter of fact there are a couple of toher topics I don't see either. We'll track them down too and if you don't see something you should, please let me know. This initial break-in period will be the most difficult and we really appreciate all your helpful suggestions, Yoly.

-Dana


gmku
Gary Kuhlman


Jun 26, 2004, 9:43 AM

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Agree. The business of writing, indeed. Big yawn.


Pollyanna


Jul 1, 2004, 5:46 PM

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You know, as I sift through all the posts since the changeover, it really strikes me that many of the names I recognize, the ones who frequented the previous Speakeasy on a very regular basis, are pretty bummed out by the elimination of "Your Writing". I, for one, am feeling somewhat disillusioned. Speakeasy did it all -- business and creative -- and did it all well. The site happened to be the first I ever posted to and I have never felt the need to find another. I felt like P & W was really devoted to fostering the art of writing and encouraging the writer. (Wasn't writing an art before it was a business?) Now it seems that it's just not the case, and frankly, I think they're cutting off their nose to spite their face, if I may be so trite. If Wendy's suddenly decided to sell just hamburgers and to heck with everyone who comes there for chicken sandwiches, salads and chili, they could kiss the majority of their business goodbye (because God knows their fries suck). Sure, the burgers are great, but they want to appeal to a broader market and so offer more than one product.

I think the veterans, who already have plenty of experience and thus need little assistance, are going to vanish from the site and frankly, they're the ones who would be providing much-needed answers and encouragement for us fledgling writers. Gary doesn't just post great poetry, he has given me some vital perspective on the business of writing. Mary Ellen, too, and not necessarily in the business forums. And Cheryl, Alan, etc... It just seems like P & W is pulling a Coke -- fooling with a perfect formula and putting out an inferior product that's going to cost them a lot of business. (Maybe I should be posting on a food forum, eh?)

BTW, the format itself I've become accustomed to in less than 24 hours -- that's not a problem. I really like it, actually, though it would have been nice to have a tutorial. I'll be sticking around, but I'm going to miss the outstanding talents who won't.


sufilizard
Sufilizard

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Jul 5, 2004, 5:29 PM

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Wow, I just checked back in after being away for a long, LONG time and it seems everything is changing. Too bad, I finally have a good start on a novel and was looking for feedback.

Any suggestions where to go for that sort of thing, now that it is being discouraged here?


nomojo
A.D.T.

Jul 5, 2004, 7:02 PM

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I know other members have mentioned alternative websites--just search through the recent threads. Perhaps you could email or send a PM to forum members that you have faith in or trust. While posting actual creative work isn't allowed any more, maybe we can still use the Speakeasy for the same kind of casual peer review using the email and private message options.


Pollyanna


Jul 5, 2004, 8:08 PM

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I was wondering about that last idea myself!


sufilizard
Sufilizard

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Jul 5, 2004, 9:16 PM

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I know other members have mentioned alternative websites--just search through the recent threads. Perhaps you could email or send a PM to forum members that you have faith in or trust. While posting actual creative work isn't allowed any more, maybe we can still use the Speakeasy for the same kind of casual peer review using the email and private message options.


The e-mail and private message thing is a good idea. I've been away so long though, I don't know which cohorts are still around.


jason
Jason K. Chapman / Moderator

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Jul 6, 2004, 8:14 AM

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[snip] While posting actual creative work isn't allowed any more, maybe we can still use the Speakeasy for the same kind of casual peer review using the email and private message options.


This is a great idea. I would suggest something like a "Looking for Feedback/Critique" thread in [burgundy]Writing and Publishing: Fiction[/burgundy] or [burgundy]Writing and Publishing: Poetry[/burgundy]. Members seeking feedback could post a little about the kind of work to be critiqued, the genre, and the length. Contact could then carry on either by Private Message or by e-mail.

Not only would it allow posters to control who critiques the work, it would also both limit the exposure of the work-in-progress and cut down on the drive-by silliness that often occurs.


britishwriter


Jul 9, 2004, 1:55 AM

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Anne, Is Fresh Press still using Motet? I doubt I'll come back to P&W (this thread system is really old-fashioned and clunky and has never worked well). Plus, I see Dana is already being as obnoxious as always - so, no, don't think I'll be back.

P&W had a good thing, but like so many organizations who don't seem to really know what they're doing when it comes to the internet, they broke it when it wasn't fixed.

Heading over to Fresh Press.............


(This post was edited by britishwriter on Jul 9, 2004, 1:56 AM)


britishwriter


Jul 9, 2004, 2:00 AM

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Anne, just tried to register with Fresh Press (can't for the life of me remember my old userid??) and it's telling me I don't have authorization to register. Do you know if that's because I'm in Thailand, or because of something on my computer, or on the Fresh Press server? (Sorry to be such a pain :-))


motet
Dana Davis / Moderator
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Jul 9, 2004, 10:02 AM

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Plus, I see Dana is already being as obnoxious as always - so, no, don't think I'll be back


Excellent! I'm sure you'll fit right at the FP.

In the meanwhile, if you have questions about their software or registration , take it to email.


anneo98
Anne O'Malley

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Jul 9, 2004, 6:41 PM

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email me, britishwriter, thompson@worldpath.net and we can discuss a nice new place for you. We've started up a new conference that you might like.


creative8
John Smith


Jul 13, 2004, 3:02 PM

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Anne, just tried to register with Fresh Press (can't for the life of me remember my old userid??) and it's telling me I don't have authorization to register. Do you know if that's because I'm in Thailand, or because of something on my computer, or on the Fresh Press server? (Sorry to be such a pain :-))


Why does a british writer live in Thailand? What's this Fresh Press server
anyway?
interesting. why are you sorry to be such a pain?


sherlwats


Jul 13, 2004, 6:25 PM

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Don't know why that's such a stretch for you, Cap'm Smith--somebody being a British writer and living in Thailand. I'm a Brooklyn writer and living in the suburbs--now THAT'S a stretch. Being sorry for being such a pain is kind of a pleasant "excuse me" even outside of the British Isles.


creative8
John Smith


Jul 13, 2004, 6:55 PM

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Don't know why that's such a stretch for you, Cap'm Smith--somebody being a British writer and living in Thailand. I'm a Brooklyn writer and living in the suburbs--now THAT'S a stretch. Being sorry for being such a pain is kind of a pleasant "excuse me" even outside of the British Isles.

Not such a stretch ms. sherlwats, it's just it's a scene from Broadway in "The King & I", Ms. Anna from Britain going to Siam to teach English to the King of Siam kids. Is this British writer doing anything similar , that was my intention in my question.
I said, this was interesting.

However your being a Brooklyn writer living in the suburbs is not at all interesting to me, excuse me, but your paying attention to my post is indeed
interesting and quite a stretch.

js

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