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Ellen Meeropol

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Sep 16, 2003, 9:12 PM

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Darren, I write fiction, both long and short. What about you? Elli


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Darren A. Deth


Sep 16, 2003, 9:50 PM

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I am working on a novel right now and have a short story ready to
submit. I have chosen a market for the story and am just waiting for
their acceptance dates for submission to roll around again, which is
next month. Most of the material I write is mainstream/contemporary. I
have played with poetry over the past couple of months as well.


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Ellen Meeropol

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Sep 17, 2003, 9:16 AM

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What made you interesed in Stonecoast - what have you heard? I became
very interested after attending their summer writing conference in
July. The faculty was terrific, the other students were serious and
smart. It was really a good experience and galvanized me to finally
take the step and apply.


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Nicole Gottuso

Sep 18, 2003, 11:36 AM

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A few people have suggested that e-mailing the professors of the
programs you're most interested in is helpful... sounds great! ...but
what should I ask? ng


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Sep 18, 2003, 12:36 PM

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I would guess that would depend on what you want to know. When I was
applying to Goddard, I asked whether, since most of the faculty
expressed in their biographies a serious academic interest in gay
studies, they might be uncomfortable with someone writing genre
fiction. Nora Mitchell, then lead faculty, called back to assure that
that wouldn't be a problem. dmh


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Darren A. Deth


Sep 18, 2003, 4:33 PM

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I was fortunate to have met Ellen Lesser from Vermont College at the
Keene State College Writer's Conference I attended a couple of months
ago. My piece was discussed in a workshop in addition to having a half
hour conference with her. She was kind enough to give me her email
address so I could email her any questions. In October I will be going
to a Discovery day to learn more about the writing program and get
some insight to the application process. Elli: My interest in
Stonecoast has been evolving since I heard about the program. The fact
that they want a published writer as one of your references, and that
they outline the program on their web site was an additional plus,
particularly the end project. Proximity, I admit, has been a large
consideration in where I apply. Living in New Hampshire gives me
several options that I can drive to and not have to worry about air
fare.


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Ellen Meeropol

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Sep 30, 2003, 7:44 PM

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It's been quiet here for awhile - anyone out there? I just heard that
I was accepted at Stonecoast low-res MFA, at the University of
Southern Maine, and will start in December in fiction. Anyone else
applying there - are you still interested in Stonecoast, Darren? Elli


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Darren A. Deth


Sep 30, 2003, 7:54 PM

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CONGRATULATIONS, ELLI!! Yes, I am still interested in Stonecoast. I
will be sending out the paperwork for my recommendations tomorrow. The
essay will be tweaked this weekend. The manuscript I have covered all
ready. I am two weeks into the waiting period at Vermont College.
Darren


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Ellen Meeropol

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Sep 30, 2003, 8:23 PM

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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, Darren! One of our local writing
workshop teachers, who's a fine poet, did the Vermont College program
and she just loved it. Are you applying anywhere else, besides the
two? Elli


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Darren A. Deth


Oct 1, 2003, 4:45 AM

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This semester it will be just Vermont and Stonecoast. If I am not
accepted in either I plan on applying at Goddard, which is where I am
going for Discovery day in a couple of weeks. Last semester I applied
at Bennington College but was not accepted. I took the time in between
applications to tweak the manuscript I am sending out. How many
schools did you apply at before you were accepted at Stonecoast?
Darren


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Ellen Meeropol

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Oct 1, 2003, 7:23 AM

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I only applied to Stonecoast. I'd been looking at Vermont College and
at Lesley U in Boston, but then I attended the Stonecoast Writers
Conference in July, and just really liked the faculty, the feel of the
place. Since they "knew" me from the summer, I felt I'd have a decent
chance of being accepted, and only applied there, letting fate take
charge. I really wasn't certain until that summer program that I
wanted to do the MFA; but the summer program at Stonecoast is similar
to (though probably less "serious" than) a 10-day residency, and I
just loved it. Until then, I thought maybe I'd just keep writing on my
own and with my writers' group. But the sense of community at the
Stonecoast program was wonderful, and I was caught up in wanting to be
part of a writers community like that, at least for two years! Elli


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Oct 1, 2003, 9:58 AM

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The work at a residency may be serious, but don't expect everything to
be so. My residencies (at Goddard) were tremendous fun, and I am still
close with a lot of people I met there. dmh


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Ellen Meeropol

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Oct 1, 2003, 10:55 AM

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Thanks, David. I certainly get that impression from reading the posts
from you and other past/current low-residency students. I'm really
looking forward to the work, the community and the fun. Elli


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Darren A. Deth


Oct 1, 2003, 5:12 PM

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The sense of community is one of the main reasons for attending
Graduate school. I belong to a writers group now, but don't feel that
anyone else is as serious about the craft as I am; I don't feel its
really helped the writing that much. The one week I spent at Keene,
however, really changed that. The first night there I sent an email to
a friend of mine telling her I was home. It was such joy. Darren


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Ellen Meeropol

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Oct 1, 2003, 6:42 PM

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That's how I felt at Stonecoast too. And it's a big motivator. But the
little nagging voice behind my eyes though wonders about long- term
benefits. I mean the real reason for doing an MFA program is to
improve your writing, your skills and your vision and your voice and
all that stuff that each of us pursues and values. For those of you
out there (are you still out there?) who have already done a low- res
MFA, did your writing get signficantly better????


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Rebecca Livingston

Oct 2, 2003, 12:18 AM

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Ellen, I graduated Bennington in January 2001 and I can confidently
say that my writing improved ten-fold. While it depends a lot on the
program and who you study with, the biggest factor is how much effort
you put into it. Reb


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Oct 2, 2003, 1:04 PM

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My writing improved dramatically, and shifted in its emphasis. dmh


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Oct 2, 2003, 2:07 PM

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I agree that it completely depends on what you put into it. If you
work hard and ask lots of questions, you're bound to learn. A benefit
I did not expect (grad. Vermont College, 2003) was that the program
would open a door I might never have noticed--translation. It's a work
I love and my own work has grown through the experiences. I definitely
grew as a person and as a writer through the program, and there's no
question you will meet interesting, talented writers who will inspire
you--both faculty and other students.


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Darren A. Deth


Oct 3, 2003, 5:28 AM

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What you sow is what you reap. A simple phrase that rings true no
matter what you do in your life. After reading these last few
conversations I asked myself it I was giving myself enough at the
writer's group. The group has been very stagnant lately, with no one
writing but me in the past two to three months. I was ready to give up
the group, but then in a conversation I had with a friend I sad, "I'm
not going to let it die." So, I have drawn up new ads for the group
and decided to be a chief motivator to get this thing moving again. It
will be achieved primarily through ideas I learned at the writers
conference. If you give it your all, you will get it back, as Rebecca
said, ten- fold. Darren


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Gary Kuhlman


Oct 3, 2003, 10:00 AM

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The love you take is equal to the love you make.--John Lennon and Paul
McCartney


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Dana Davis / Moderator
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Oct 3, 2003, 3:31 PM

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Welcome to the Speakeasy, Kelly. Glad to see you posting!


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Darren A. Deth


Oct 11, 2003, 8:56 PM

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Well, I heard from Vermont College today. Once again I didn't make it
in. They did suggest their Adult Degree Program's Post-baccalaureate
Writing Seminar and other writing studies at the college. I wasn't too
sure if it was the standard rejection or if they think I might have
some potential. There was a line that indicated I could use furter
preparation. So, I am now putting together new material for submission
to Goddard. I did attend the Discovery Day there today and came away
with a better understanding of the program, as well as more
information about the Bibliography and Study Play. Anyway, they
appeared extreme friendly and I had a good sense from everyone I spoke
with. I am also looking into the seminar at Vermont College. So, how
did I repond when I received my rejection? I wrote. What else could be
done? Darren


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Ellen Meeropol

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Oct 12, 2003, 11:00 AM

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Sorry to hear that, Darren. Take from it what's positive, that you
continue studying for "further preparation," keep applying, and keep
writing, right? That's what I do with the rejections from magazines
(I'm up over a hundred now, and still counting!!) Have you heard from
Stonecoast, or did you decide not to submit that application? Elli


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Darren A. Deth


Oct 12, 2003, 11:21 AM

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Elli I haven't decided on Stonecoast yet. I really would like to
schedule an appointment up there to meet with someone from the
program. Emailing and getting questions answered are one thing, but
person to person is much better. I did leave a message this morning at
Vermont College asking about the Post-Baccalaureate semester. It
operates on the same level as their MFA program and offers
concentrated study and individual feedback. It certainly can't hurt; I
haven't had much luck around here finding people who can assist me
with the writing. I'm still trying to get the writers group going, but
I don't think its going to make it unless we make radical changes.
Prior to attending the Stonecoast Conference, did you have someone who
could give you the attention needed in your writing? And what writing
craft books did you read, if you did, that helped you? I'm not out
there to be the male companion of Danielle Steele. I want to create
fiction that makes people look at the world a little differently,
whether it be at large or on a more personal level. I'm also thinking
character development needs to be worked on so I'm looking for 12 to
15 novels to read as part of my bibliography that are character
driven. I'm thinking of authors such as Chris Bohjalian, Richard
Russo, Joyce Carol Oates, Margaret Drabble, Martha McPhee, Ford Madax
Ford, Thomas Hardy, Charles Dickens. Do you know of any other authors
who might offer more insight into characters? I'm going to Borders
tomorrow to go through the stacks and find novels that will fit the
criteria. Thank you for the condolances. It is much appreciated.
Darren


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Ellen Meeropol

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Oct 12, 2003, 3:49 PM

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Darren, I've read a few craft books - Janet Burroway's WRITING FICTION
was the best I've read- but mostly the help I've gotten has been
through writing conferences & workshops. In addition to the Stonecoast
conference in July, I've been to two novel workshops at the Fine Arts
Work Center in Provincetown, and several local programs and online
writing classes. I find that workshopping my stories is what helps me
the most. Lee Hope at the Stonecoast MFA program is very helpful; you
might want to contact her to talk about the program. Good luck. Elli

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