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Mpehn


Mar 24, 2009, 5:34 PM

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Re: [germericanqt] I'M IN! [In reply to] Can't Post

fiction or poetry, germericanqt?

i still haven't heard BUTTS from hollins


germericanqt


Mar 24, 2009, 6:39 PM

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Fiction, sorry. Try e-mailing Cathy Hankla... that's how I found out about my wait list status.


Mpehn


Mar 24, 2009, 7:07 PM

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I imagine if I haven't heard by now then it doesn't really matter. Que sera.


NickMcRae
Nick McRae

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Mar 29, 2009, 8:00 PM

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UNCG [In reply to] Can't Post

Accepted at UNCG today for poetry. Got an e-mail from Jim Clark telling me the official letter will be sent from the grad school soon.

I will be turning the spot down, though, as much as it hurts me. I just can't pass on the Fulbright. So some fine poet will be hearing good news from UNCG soon.

The current tally (poetry):

IN: Bucknell, McNeese, UNCG
WAITLIST: Ohio State
OUT: Alabama, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
?: Ole Miss, Virginia, Virginia Tech

NM


"You got a song, man, sing it. / You got a bell, man, ring it." - Robert Creeley

Nick McRae
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zamboro


Mar 30, 2009, 1:01 PM

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I'm not sure I'm posting this in the right place, but:

Would any of those who got in this year (or not) be willing to share their previous publication/fellowship/accomplishment records with us? It'd be interesting to see what (if any) similarities there are among who programs accept and how far along in one's career one should be before looking realistically at certain schools.

Me, for example:

Genre: fiction
Top pubs: gettysburg review, north american review, southern review, nimrod
Awards: a mid-level mag's fiction prize, a statewide manuscript prize ($2000), residencies at macdowell and yaddo, scholarships to two big conferences
Accepted at: Brooklyn, Wyoming
Rejected at: MCW, Iowa, Irvine

Thanks for humoring the science nerd in me. :)

z


NickMcRae
Nick McRae

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Mar 30, 2009, 1:21 PM

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Re: [zamboro] UNCG [In reply to] Can't Post

I guarantee you'll get plenty of responses to this--writers eat this kind of thing up, hah.

Even though I think these kinds of accomplishments are more testaments to one's drive, persistence, dedication, etc. to the craft (I mean, come on, submitting and applying to things blows--you've got to be dedicated to keep on doing it long enough to score some homeruns) than they necessarily are to one's marketability as a grad school candidate, there is of course a certain amount of correlation. Committees often won't know about all of your accomplishments unless they ask for a CV or if you somehow manage to jam them all into your personal statement, but they will see your work, which all of that practice will have most likely improved greatly. So while I don't necessarily believe that accomplishments=grad placement, and I'm pretty sure that's not what you're saying either Zamboro, I'll play ball because this looks like fun!

Genre: Poetry
Top pubs: DIAGRAM, Rock & Sling, Stirring, SUB-LIT
Awards: fellowship to the Bucknell Seminar for Younger Poets, two time finalist for the Agnes Scott College writers' fesitval poetry award, a few poetry prizes from my school (University of West Georgia), a Fulbright grant (though not in CW)
Accepted at: UNCG, McNeese, Bucknell, (waitlisted at Ohio State)
Rejected from: Alabama, Arkansas, Vanderbilt

Hope that helps somehow.

NM


"You got a song, man, sing it. / You got a bell, man, ring it." - Robert Creeley

Nick McRae
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zamboro


Mar 30, 2009, 1:32 PM

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Thanks, NM. Yeah, I'm certainly not saying that a list of accomplishments will get you in anywhere. I think it's all about the strength of the work, plus the tastes of the readers. Look at the recent years' recipients of what is one of the most coveted and prestigious literary awards, the Stegner Fellowship, and you'll find a number of folks who have few pubs or "accomplishments" listed in their bios. And, as you say, it's a pain to apply to things, and a lot of great writers just don't do it.

That said, if everyone's submitting their best work with their app, and your best work has already been published, you know that at least somewhere, it's held its own against similar competition.

Fun! :)

z


sara e.g.


Mar 30, 2009, 4:03 PM

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I'll play, if only to highlight that publications/fellowships/accomplishments apparently count quite little in the whole scheme of things:

Genre: Poetry
Top Pubs: I don't count small lit journals run by my alma mater as top, so none.
Awards: None.
Accepted: Illinois, UNCG, VCU (w/fellowship), Hollins, SIUC
Waitlisted: Indiana, Notre Dame
Rejected: Vandy, Minnesota, Michigan, Wash U, Wisconsin

During one of my school visits a faculty member said quite casually "We don't look at anything but your writing. Seriously. We don't care. Why would we?"


megmarcu


Mar 30, 2009, 6:36 PM

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I'll play!


Publications: Top ones? Not so much. I had a story published in Freight Stories, and then some campus things.
Awards: Nominated for a Pushcart Prize. A few University of Michigan writing award/recognition things.
Accepted: UC Davis, Brooklyn College (fiction, both)
Rejected: SO many, I've lost count...um...Iowa, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, UC Irvine, Houston

Not sure where I'm going. The funding at Davis is nice, the program at Brooklyn sounds good. But if I got the MA I could apply again for an MFA in a few years...but is that worthwhile? I've had so much different advice. But I'm going to California on Thursday to visit. Fun.


swiviol


Mar 30, 2009, 7:39 PM

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Mine is rather paltry ... but oh well.

Publications: none (hoping to change that sometime soon!)
Awards: Hopwood Award (a Univ. of Michigan thing)
Accepted: Emerson (MA in Publishing)
Rejected: Michigan, Iowa, Brown
Waiting: American, BU


insertbrackets

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Mar 30, 2009, 8:08 PM

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Alrighty, let's see here...

Genre: Poetry

Top pubs: None to speak of, really

Awards: Twice shortlisted for the Ina Coolbrith Memorial Poetry Prize (a statewide (CA) University prize taking manuscripts from all the UC's, Stanford, and I think Mills + St. Mary's)

Accepted at: Ohio State (w/ full funding, going there this fall!), U Florida (w/ full funding + fellowship)

Waitlisted at: Wisconsin

Rejected at: Iowa, Indiana, U Washington, Brown, Michigan, Cornell, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oregon (presumed, haven't heard a peep yet)


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alamana
Jennifer Brown


Mar 30, 2009, 9:20 PM

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I'm at square one in my writing career, I guess...

Genre: fiction
Top pubs: ummm, no pubs...
Awards: ummm, no awards
Accepted at: George Mason
Rejected at: MCW, Iowa, Irvine, Alabama
Waiting on: UVA, Hollins, VCU, UNLV, Ole Miss


Be regular and orderly in your life, that you may be violent and original in your work. -- Flaubert

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jamie_mu


Mar 30, 2009, 9:35 PM

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insertbrackets-- if you were nominated for Ina Coolbrith last year (Dec 07/Jan 08) then we competed against each other. I didn't win.

Uh, let us see. I like poetry.

Publications: none, just a mag at my old community college.
Awards: the aforementioned Ina Coolbrith nomination, another award specific to my university, and another through my com. college.
Accepted : Johns Hopkins (heading there in Aug), Michigan, U Mass Amherst, UC Irvine
Rejected: Cornell, Iowa

Of all these schools I think only Michigan required a CV. About two days before applying to JHU I was a bit surprised by their "critique your work" substitute for a writing sample, so I don't think I was able to write in anything about awards. UCI wanted a 4-page autobio, so I think I may have mentioned something about awards and some work I did on a litmag. I write about a unique personal experience, so that may give me an advantage when being compared to other applicants.


jacksonbliss


Mar 31, 2009, 9:53 AM

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Zamboro, no offense but I don't like this question at all. It seems like an excuse to list publications, and play the "where have you been published?" game, one I've never been fond of, for the simple reason that some great writers don't try to publish and some mediocre writers publish prodigiously. I think the point is, there's little or no correlation between awards, publications + acceptances. I think Jamie Mu has one of the most impressive acceptance lists I've seen in awhile and she's not sending out 20 submissions a month (or wait, maybe she is). The real advantage of having a publishing record is that when you've published something that was critically acclaimed in an awesome journal, you at least know that other people think that story/poem rocks. I guess that would be helpful when trying to decide which writing sample to pick. But that's the only way I think it helps. Other than that, I think this listing game is simply a consolation prize for the insecure writer in all of us. And yes, I do have a few really good pub's, and no, I'm not going to list them here. Save that shit for the cover letter man.


sara e.g.


Mar 31, 2009, 10:52 AM

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Jackson,

I agree wholeheartedly. I would go so far as to say there is little correlation between anything other than your writing and the acceptances you receive. None of the faculty I spoke with at the schools that accepted me cared that I went to an unheard of college in the woods of Maine, nor did they care that my GRE scores weren't stellar or that I don't submit to journals. It seems to me that programs are interested in getting the best writers they can, not the most impressive CVs. I think those interests are better left to MBA programs and law schools.


(This post was edited by sara e.g. on Mar 31, 2009, 10:53 AM)


v1ctorya


Mar 31, 2009, 11:57 AM

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In Reply To
Jackson,

I agree wholeheartedly. I would go so far as to say there is little correlation between anything other than your writing and the acceptances you receive. None of the faculty I spoke with at the schools that accepted me cared that I went to an unheard of college in the woods of Maine, nor did they care that my GRE scores weren't stellar or that I don't submit to journals. It seems to me that programs are interested in getting the best writers they can, not the most impressive CVs. I think those interests are better left to MBA programs and law schools.



I will add to that that when I visited my schools, one prof mentioned my writing sample, the other was really focused on my statement of purpose and kept going back to that. In fact, while the first prof. liked my writing and put me on the top of the pile because of that, the second prof said it was my statement that he showed to other people in the department. Perhaps that goes to my CNF writing abilities? But I think what it says for the MFA process is it's writing AND the person, not the publications. In fact, I'm fiction and have only published little embarassing things in everything BUT literary fiction.


unsaid78


Apr 1, 2009, 5:38 PM

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Just got a call from Rita Dove. I'm in at UVA for poetry. Good luck UVA poet hopefuls!


www.mfachronicles.blogspot.com - Follow us as we begin our 1st years in MFA programs!


germericanqt


Apr 1, 2009, 5:43 PM

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Congrats unsaid! You're a rock star! :)


v1ctorya


Apr 1, 2009, 7:46 PM

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Omgosh! That's wonderful, congrats big-time!


reality writes


Apr 1, 2009, 8:36 PM

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great job!


Mae Fields



Apr 1, 2009, 10:37 PM

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Wow!!!! Congrats. Their library. My heart. Does this change your descision any? xoxo M.


Mae Fields



Apr 2, 2009, 5:00 PM

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I just received an acceptance to the University of Montana for poetry via mail!


rainafields


Apr 2, 2009, 5:05 PM

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Congrats, cousin!

(Just kidding 'bout the cousin part...just saw your last name :-P)


unsaid78


Apr 2, 2009, 5:07 PM

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WHOA!!! CONGRATULATIONS M.!!! It seems like a lot of people rave about that program!

I know that has to be a HUGE relief! Shoot...I'M relieved for you! lol

Go celebrate!


www.mfachronicles.blogspot.com - Follow us as we begin our 1st years in MFA programs!


zamboro


Apr 2, 2009, 8:20 PM

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Re: [v1ctorya] I'm Boycotting this "Scientific Study" [In reply to] Can't Post

yikes! look, maybe i wasn't clear enough on this, but i'm NOT saying it's an impressive resume itself that gets one admitted. most places don't even see a resume. it's all about the writing sample. what i was trying to gauge was something very hard to define, which is how far along a writer is in developing his/her craft. it's hard to know how "good" your sample is. i thought the story i used to apply to programs four years ago was pretty darn good, and now i can't stand to look at it.

publications and that kind of outside validation is just one (and by no means the only) way to gauge something that's hard to tell for yourself. but i think it's safe to say that someone who consistently publishes their work in well-edited mags has a better shot at the top programs, NOT because of any impressive list they can show off, but because they are producing work of good quality (at least as defined by the people well-respected in the editing world...)

and once again, plenty of great writers don't submit at all, and bring their craft to an amazing level, and get into great programs.

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