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kijordan


Mar 25, 2008, 7:06 PM

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Yeah, Seth cleared that up for me above. To be honest, I don't know much about Iowa's writing program in the way of statistics, as I demonstrated with my misinformation above. So for neatness' sake, just pretend I said Cornell instead of Iowa. :)

Anyway, the point of mentioning the class-size figure was not to draw attention to Iowa but, really, to signal to the poets that all this talk of Columbia The Huge, etc. doesn't really apply to the poetry division.


upsetme


Mar 26, 2008, 1:34 AM

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Unfortunately, I think the $$$ news comes in a separate, slow moving packet.


There was a letter addressing my Writing Fellowship in the package, but also a note that more will be coming from the financial aid office -- information, that is, not money ...


jeramey



Mar 30, 2008, 12:51 PM

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I sent off my deposit for Columbia yesterday (nonfiction), so I'll be seeing those of you who accept in the fall. I'm looking forward to it.


h orange


Apr 1, 2008, 4:32 PM

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Yay, just sent in my deposit, for fiction! Just wanted to share my excitement ...


kijordan


Apr 2, 2008, 5:07 AM

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A few things I noticed:

If you haven't seen the campus, it's stunning. I say this coming from a tiny liberal arts college in Western Massachusetts that--despite a beauty its own--keeps to a more provincial (read: Puritanical) tradition. Anyway, Columbia's campus was something altogether different for me--the height of university towers, the general bustling, the exclusive library (ha), the corporations (disguised as young, wandering students--with gift cards) pandering on campus (Starbucks, Red Bull), etc.

On the other hand, to dispel, at least spatially, any anxieties about (what could be considered) a structurally (and populously?) imposing environment at Columbia, I wanted to note that the entire School of Arts is one building, and the entire Writing Division is one small floor (the fourth). It was immediately cozy !

The other experiences are less general, more teacher-specific, which seems inappropriate to go into on a public message board. But, to be appropriately vague, it was a mixed bag, the brighter stuff in the bag outweighing the wet-blanket, bummerish things encountered (in people, facts) there.

So--I think I'm going (for poetry) !

Oh, also, the few students I spoke with were completely lovely and helpful. If you visit (especially outside of an organized event like Open House), you should talk and talk and talk. To anyone.


keliz308


Apr 2, 2008, 12:26 PM

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So, I'm not sure if anyone is willing to answer this question, but I was just very curious about funding. I am trying to decide between three NY schools and the financial point keeps becoming a main factor. For those of you who were accepted to Columbia for Fiction: Did you receive any funding? And if so, how much? I know this is a very personal question, but I wanted to see what the other packages out there looked like.... It seems the amount of money you get is telling about how much the school wants you.

Any thoughts? Thank you!!


Clench Million
Charles

Apr 2, 2008, 2:07 PM

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So, I'm not sure if anyone is willing to answer this question, but I was just very curious about funding. I am trying to decide between three NY schools and the financial point keeps becoming a main factor. For those of you who were accepted to Columbia for Fiction: Did you receive any funding? And if so, how much? I know this is a very personal question, but I wanted to see what the other packages out there looked like.... It seems the amount of money you get is telling about how much the school wants you.

Any thoughts? Thank you!!


My understanding (and this comes from accepted students who have talked to me, not any inside info from the administration) is that a few people get full ride fellowships now. Maybe two per genre? I don't know.

Then there are a few other biggish fellowships and then lots of very small ones.

I think this is basically how it works at NYU and maybe all the NYC schools (most seem to have bad funding).

One thing I will say about Columbia is that the funding you get will only increase or stay the same for your second year. It is not like Iowa where you actively compete with your fellow students to get fellowships since the money amonts change there from year to year.


keliz308


Apr 2, 2008, 2:34 PM

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Thanks for the info, CM. I appreciate it! I guess that's what I figured...


Clench Million
Charles

Apr 2, 2008, 2:48 PM

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I think for any school they offer the most money to the people they want the most. I wouldn't read too much into this, beyond the financial implications, though. People's work can change drastically during the MFA and people don't get special treatment just because they got a little more or little less funding.


kijordan


Apr 2, 2008, 3:56 PM

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I've definitely been lured into determining my desirability as a student by how much I will be funded. The only problem now is that we have to accept before knowing anything--at least I do. I haven't gotten any news from my contacts in the poetry division other than the standard "we still know nothing" line, and the off-the-bat offer of partial funding never figured into that initial call for me, as I think it has for a few others who have posted here.

I think it's helpful, though, to attempt to distance yourself from that sort of mentality (I am particularly repeating this sentence to myself, actually). Logically, yeah, the upper crust will get the most funding to make attendance more alluring to those three or four, but our acceptance isn't the more conditional or discouraging for it. It's important to remember that some of the accepted students have published work and other concrete emblems of "worth" (ick, hate to put it that way) that others, like I, don't. In the end, if I'm not getting out at 116th Street in September to a welcoming committee of fat clouds raining hundred-dollar bills, I think I'll be okay. If they didn't want the less-well-funded "that badly," they wouldn't have called us so pleasantly to offer us a spot.

That's my take at least, as someone struggling to quit itemizing the process and my status within that imagined hierarchy. Which is just to say, I understand where you're coming from and godspeed, etc. !


upsetme


Apr 4, 2008, 12:57 AM

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Mailing the deposit tomorrow!!!


kijordan


Apr 4, 2008, 1:39 AM

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Hey !

So I was finally told my fellowship/funding award amount. Anyone else find out too ? And does it make a difference to you ?


LauraJean1


Apr 6, 2008, 6:07 PM

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Did you get the news by mail? Did they call you?

I'm still waiting on financial news from Columbia...


kijordan


Apr 6, 2008, 6:18 PM

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By e-mail.

I'm under the impression that the actual "Financial Aid" parcel will arrive well after April 11th, just so those still deciding have to "suspend disbelief," as they say, about the cost of tuition. That is, if it's printed on paper or at all manifestly visible, we realize just how much we owe; if not, we happily (albeit cautiously) accept.


To be honest, after accepting the offer two days ago, I feel both happy and stupid. Is this normal ? Oy.


ksy79


Apr 7, 2008, 12:07 PM

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hey, kijordan.

did you inquire about funding and then receive an email? i'm going a little crazy here waiting on the monies situation.


kijordan


Apr 7, 2008, 12:25 PM

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Yeah, I asked about three times--but not in a pushy way and not day after day after day. Between mid-March and early April, I broached the subject at appropriate intervals and finally got an answer. Just for clarity's sake, I don't know what the overall progress is for notifying people in the writing division as a whole, but I'm referring to the poetry half.


LauraJean1


Apr 7, 2008, 12:29 PM

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Yeah, I already accepted with no word on my financial aid package. Plus, I have tried to contact the financial aid office to make sure they received my FAFSA information, but have gotten no word.

Are you applying to outside scholarships yet?


kijordan


Apr 7, 2008, 12:36 PM

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Ugh, I bet that's really frustrating. I have no idea why I was informed when I was, but I think the way C. handles funding is intentionally blurry and offensively secretive.

I've been looking for internships, but (as they warned during the application process) so many of the deadlines have already passed. And there aren't very many arts-related scholarships, surprisingly. I'm nearly moved to build a lemonade stand outside my apartment. And I'm only half-joking.


ksy79


Apr 8, 2008, 1:31 PM

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Okay, upon re-reading my package, one letter says I have to notify them of my decision no later than April 11, and another says no later than April 7. The professor who called me said May 1. This is all kind of confusing... and maybe pointlessly so, but I figure the longer I hold out, the better chances I have of hearing about more funding before I commit.



anyone ever find out if the deadline really truly is april 11th? does that mean they need my card and deposit in their hands by friday?!


umass76


Apr 8, 2008, 1:58 PM

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Just a clarification on Clench's comment, above, about the funding at Iowa. If by "actively competing for funding" he means that students at Iowa "drop a packet of ten poems off at Dey House in late January, and then forget about it," then yes, we are actively engaged in competition here at Iowa. Fellowships are indeed awarded based on the merit of work submitted to the program mid-way through the first year, though the work has to have been work produced while the student was in Iowa--not a particularly radical concept, actually, awarding fellowships based on merit. But more importantly: I don't know of anyone (yet) whose funding has decreased between the first year and the second; because GEL/Rhetoric TAship appointments are for two years, and carry an increased stipend the second year, and because students who don't get a fellowship simply stick with their current TAship appointment (and second-year raise), the implication left by describing Iowa as a "tiered" funding system is horrifically misleading. Essentially, it's tiered in only the following sense: you either get excellent funding, or even better than excellent funding. It's like saying you can either have a hot fudge sundae with marshmallow topping, or the same hot fudge sundae with not only marshmallow topping but also nuts and a cherry. At this point I'll leave it to Clench and/or others to describe Columbia's sundae, I just thought that a clarification here was both just and warranted.

S.


(This post was edited by umass76 on Apr 8, 2008, 1:59 PM)


dylanvitti


Apr 8, 2008, 1:59 PM

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My info provided one envelope with two forms. Official acceptance (due April 11th,) and acceptance of a fellowship (due April 7th.) I mailed both back last week...but does anyone know if/when we will receive official word that things arrived on time?


h orange


Apr 8, 2008, 2:33 PM

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I called the admissions office yesterday, to make sure my deposit arrived in time for the fellowship deadline. They seemed nice enough about it, so I might try that if you're nervous.


ksy79


Apr 8, 2008, 2:39 PM

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thanks, dylanvitti and h orange!


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Charles

Apr 9, 2008, 11:57 AM

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Umass, I was only going by what Tom Kealey said on his book and site when he researched the programs and what students have said here. If Iowa no longer leaves a portion of their students with little to no funding and no longer lowers funding for some students in the second year, that is excellent. It seemed like a needlessly divisive practice.


umass76


Apr 9, 2008, 10:55 PM

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The second edition of the Handbook will correct that error; yes, things are much different now. I can say from first-hand knowledge.
S.

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