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almost


Mar 20, 2006, 4:25 PM

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Hi all!

I've been "lurking" via my buddy's account and have decided to sign up and out myself so I can post. I've been waitlisted at Indiana for fiction. Anyone else in or waitlisted for fiction at Indiana? I think at least one person was, but I can't remember who...

Thanks thanks! Congrats to everyone who has had good news, good luck to those still playing what we call here the "waiting game"!


augustmaria


Mar 20, 2006, 4:41 PM

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I got my wait-list letter today for Fiction. It was super-flattering, I thought. I'm honored to be wait-listed--I really didn't think I stood a chance.


aimeegloworm


Mar 20, 2006, 5:31 PM

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where do you live? I'm waiting for a letter in Florida.


augustmaria


Mar 20, 2006, 5:35 PM

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I'm from Maine.


almost


Mar 21, 2006, 1:17 AM

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If we all got waitlist notices today (or tomorrow?), that means Indiana made its decisions (ranked the top 15) at least a week ago. Curious that no accepted Indiana types have outed themselves on these boards. I prefer the UMass thread - people turning down Amherst throw bones over there to us wait list schmucks!

AugustMaria, I swear this isn't meant to eliminate the competition: I just remembered that my roommate from undergrad did poetry at Montana and she loved Missoula so much, she never left! Just in case you wondered about the town (I don't know as much about the city, just the pretty mountains). God, I sound like I'm trying to push you off the wait list, I swear I'm not! :)


augustmaria


Mar 21, 2006, 5:57 AM

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Don't worry--I don't read it as you trying to lure me away! I'm super-excited by Montana, and if I get full-funding, it's going to be nearly impossible to turn down. I want to work with Kevin Canty very badly. I think his writing is remarkably well in-line with my own. Though I've been looking in-depth at Indiana's website and that campus is so damn beautiful! And the funding situation is absolutely stellar. Plus, it's three years as opposed to two. I'm just not sure. I do think that if I have the chance to go to Montana and I turn it down for no real good reason, I'll regret it. Gah! I'm getting way ahead of myself. This all still might not work out at all. :)


clarabow


Mar 21, 2006, 9:35 AM

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Wow, it sounds like there are more people on Indiana's waiting list than there are people who were accepted. Here's hoping you're not low on that (long) list. Congrats, guys. Esp. AugustMaria, who has been playing this waiting game with us for a while!


augustmaria


Mar 21, 2006, 1:08 PM

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I'm a little confused on the issue of funding at Indiana. Maybe someone can help me.

I understand that teaching assistantships--and they look absolutely great. But it looks like there's no stipend given, and students need to rely on the fellowships that are awarded. There are a couple of hefty ones, one in poetry and one in fiction, but the rest seem to be 4,000 dollars and under. This is dismal compared to what other schools offer. Also, it does seem that the funding opportunities for minority students are abundant and generous; however, I am an Irish-Catholic girl from New England and will not be receiving any such thing. Is there something I'm missing out on or am I expected to live on 4,000 dollars a year?


sayra


Mar 21, 2006, 2:08 PM

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i was waitlisted as well, but in poetry. since i've already accepted michigan's offer i'll be taking myself off the list. i had the same question as you, augustmaria, about the funding situation--the teaching assistantship itself looks like a lot of awesome teaching opportunities, but for not so much money...is there somethign i'm missing here? but a three year program is pretty great, regardless.. good luck to those who've been waitlisted / are still waiting / everyone!


viviandarkbloom


Mar 21, 2006, 2:40 PM

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I could be wrong about this, but my impression is that everyone gets the same funding, tuition waiver and stipend. Everyone teaches: nine courses over six semesters, both creative writing and composition. They have little student profiles on the website and it looks like everyone has a fellowship, the fellowships just have different names. But I think the money / workload is the same. Again, I could be wrong. I'm wrong about most things.


clarabow


Mar 22, 2006, 2:05 AM

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i don't like these indiana acceptees who are lurking and will not throw us a little information arrrrrrrrrr


nikkiwrites


Mar 23, 2006, 12:50 AM

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Hi Clarabow,

I have to come clean and admit that I've been lurking around here for a while, and I feel like your post was directed at me (bows head in shame). I just accepted an offer from Indiana in fiction. I was accepted by phone in early February. I wish I had more info to offer. I've got all my fingers and toes crossed for you!


carisser


Mar 23, 2006, 12:59 AM

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hi augustmaria--and everyone wondering about indiana...

i'm a second-year poet there. i thought i should clear up the funding questions, because i looked at the website again and i can see how you might have questions. everyone gets about the same funding a year, fellowship or no. here's how it works--your first year, you have a 1-1 teaching load, with about a $4000 fellowship. for each class you teach, you get $4000, so it works out to $12,000 for the year. the next year, unless you have a fellowship, you teach a 1-2 load and make a little over $12,000. otherwise, with the two-year fellowship, you teach a 1-1 load. the final year is the same as the second year. the chancellor's minority fellowship, dean's minority fellowship and the educational opportunity fellowship are a slightly different ball game, but, at least with the chancellor one, i know that the teaching load is the same.

hope this helps.
feel free to pm me any indiana questions.

-Carissa DiGiovanni


brooklynpoet


Mar 23, 2006, 1:15 PM

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I was waitlisted at Indiana too, in poetry. I have a question for Carissa: do you have any idea how many people from the waitlist get offers eventually? Or does it differ so much from year to year that you couldn't say?

I'm mostly just curious: since they don't tell you where on the waitlist you stand, it's not possible to gauge the likelihood of getting in.

I have to say, the waitlist letter from Catherine Bowman was really nice. If that one was flattering, I can only imagine how lovely they are to the acceptees.

brooklynpoet


imightbechad


Mar 23, 2006, 1:28 PM

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just curious,

how long ago were you waitlisted?

chad


brooklynpoet


Mar 23, 2006, 1:49 PM

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how long ago were you waitlisted?

chad

The letter's dated March 10th; I think I got it in Saturday's mail, the 18th.

bp


clarabow


Mar 23, 2006, 2:03 PM

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Dtva got into Indiana fiction but has chosen to attend Ohio State instead, I think.


carisser


Mar 23, 2006, 9:06 PM

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Hi brooklynpoet!

Yes, it does vary a lot from year to year. I have heard, though, that the more interest you express, the better. (But I imagine that it might be that way for many wait-lists.) I think that if you want to know your position on the waitlist, you should definitely inquire--it can't hurt, and at least you'll know where you stand.

Please let me know (brooklynpoet, or anyone else) if you have any more questions, and I will do what I can to answer.

-Carissa


almost


Mar 27, 2006, 3:15 PM

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And here is my Indiana tally! Anyone want to chip in, if they've made a decision?



Indiana:

Accepted and plans to attend:
1. NikkiWriters

Accepted and does not plan to attend:
1. DTVA

Wait listed and still doesn't know what's going on!

1. August Maria
2. Almost!


clarabow


Mar 31, 2006, 1:43 AM

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Just my luck to get wait listed at the school with the quietest thread on the PW Speakeasy!


clarabow


Mar 31, 2006, 1:45 AM

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An update of Almost's list:

Indiana:

Accepted and plans to attend:
1. NikkiWriters

Accepted and does not plan to attend:
1. DTVA

Wait listed and still doesn't know what's going on!

1. August Maria
2. Almost!
3. Clarabow

If you are lurking out there, SHAME ON YOU! :)


fionayale


Apr 4, 2006, 1:04 PM

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Indiana is a great program for some people, others have less than ideal experiences there. Totally depends on the person, I think. I'd be curious to know what the prospective Indiana students are thinking about it right now.

Fiona :)


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Apr 4, 2006, 2:31 PM

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Fiona, do you know why those who liked it, liked it, and those who didn't, didn't? That might be very helpful.


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theapplepicker


Apr 4, 2006, 2:54 PM

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I'm really excited about the program, and I'm enthusiastic about the prospect of attending.

I've now declined all other offers but for Indiana and Houston. I think I'm leaning towards Indiana right now because of the great teaching opportunities, the lower cost of living, the greater stipend, the safety, and the proximity to my hometown (and boyfriend).

At present, I have an e-mail out to one of the current MFAs to learn more about the program, and I'm waiting to read her response before I make any decisions. I'm also waiting for my copy of The Creative Writing MFA Handbook to come in.

Even though I'm leaning towards Indiana, I'm really struggling with making this decision. Both Indiana and Houston were, I guess, my latent favorites (along with Ohio State) when I was applying, and there's so much that I admire about both of these programs. (And, of course, wish I could attend both!)


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fionayale


Apr 4, 2006, 3:00 PM

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Congratulations, Apple Picker, on two great acceptances!

Are you a poet or a fiction writer?


theapplepicker


Apr 4, 2006, 3:11 PM

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Thanks! I'm a poet.


fionayale


Apr 4, 2006, 3:14 PM

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I can only speak about fiction students AND I want to preface this by saying that I don't know every single person who went to Indiana.

The downsides, as far as I can tell (since Clara asked about this in a different thread) are:
- the town is very Midwestern, not that cosmopolitan.
- the fiction program is very into the multicultural aspect of things, both in the admissions process and in the class workshops (this could be bad or good, depending upon your outlook)
- the students don't seem to form a strong out-of-workshop community the way they are reputed to do at Iowa, Houston, Johns Hopkins, Austin, Montana, The University of Washington (to name a few where that seems to be the case).
- Indiana is not exactly the most scenic place in the world :).
- The faculty doesn't seem to have really cracked the mainstream publishing world the way faculty at other programs (Iowa, JHU, Montana, Houston, NYU, you know) have, but that might not be important to you, like I said, everyone's different.

Of course, Apple Picker mentioned a lot of good things about the program, and they are all true.

So it really does depend on the person.


fionayale


Apr 4, 2006, 3:15 PM

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Well, they are both AWESOME schools for poetry, that's what you hear on the MFA circuit at least, so you really can't go wrong either way. Good luck to you. Good job!


augustmaria


Apr 4, 2006, 5:44 PM

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I got the call today. I'm in. :)


kcole7
Kristin

Apr 4, 2006, 7:27 PM

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Wow! Montana and Indiana! Congrats. Have you decided where you want to go?


clarabow


Apr 4, 2006, 8:18 PM

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sweet, augustmaria, tho i must say i'm a wee bit jealous, too.


clarabow


Apr 4, 2006, 8:23 PM

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hey august maria, did they tell you where you were on the waiting list?
i wonder how many other people will accept/decline...man.


Weege


Apr 4, 2006, 9:03 PM

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Hi all,

I have to come to the defense of Indiana -- the state, more than the program. I did my undergrad in Bloomington. You want to talk about scenic? This is southern Indiana, with rolling hills and deep woods. Home to national forests, buddhist monasteries, picnic tables made of limestone. And cosmopolitan? It's no New York or Chicago, but Bloomington is a great, funky college town. It's got a strong night life and good culture. IU's music program is one of the strongest in the nation, so there's a ton of great music around town (a lot of it free, a real boon to po' grad students).


sarandipidy


Apr 4, 2006, 9:15 PM

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I would have to agree with you. I didn't apply to Indiana because i was really looking to get away from cold winters. But I spent a week there one the summer when Phish was playing two or three nights and I loved it there, at least in the summer. I walked past the cornfields and blue skies and thought it was all pretty beautiful.


rocky_fona


Apr 4, 2006, 9:29 PM

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I guess I sort of disagree with Apple Picker about Indiana...

The teaching load at Indiana can be unreasonably heavy. A good buddy of mine went through that program and he was constantly frustrated by not getting to teach any creative writing classes and by having so much grading to do that he hardly had any time to write. This is also a problem at Houston and UMass (if you can even get a teaching position for all three years at UMass, some people don't and it sucks). I know that friends who went through Iowa, Montana and Oregon enjoyed their teaching experiences and felt that the balance was just right...I don't know too much about teaching loads at other programs, though.

The cost of living in Bloomington is probably cheaper than Houston, since it's a smaller city...but Bloomington is your typical overpriced college town...I think it's a rip-off, just as I think Ithaca is way too expensive and Amherst is too expensive. There are much nicer and more affordable (or at least worth the cost of living there) college towns out there - Iowa City, Providence, Missoula, Portland, Charlottesville and Madison all come to mind. Housing in Bloomington is ridiculously costly for the crap you end up having to rent, especially if you didn't find an apartment for this fall three months ago. Parking is expensive for no good reason, as well. Plus, I just think Bloomington is lame. There's not much to do there if you're not a sports fanatic (compared to other college towns) and the surrounding area is boring and unattractive.

I agree that Bloomington is probably a lot safer than Houston, but it ain't Pleasantville ;-).

Tom Kealey says a lot of good things about Indiana in his book, but I guess I take what he says with a grain of salt...he gave Iowa a low ranking, but the fact is, Iowa is far and away the best...so I'm not sure what I think of Kealey's evaluation of Indiana. I certainly haven't heard some unilateral approval of the program from former students (mostly fiction).

I guess the final complaint I feel people should know about the Houston program vs. the Indiana program is this: from what I hear the wokshops (this is fiction, I don't know for sure about poetry) at Indiana don't have a repuation for being very vigorous, and are maybe what you'd call touchy-feely. I've heard this about a few programs, specifically Columbia College (for Clarabow), UMass (I know there were quite a few acceptances on these boards) and a couple others that I haven't seen discussed up here on the PW. The workshops at Houston are supposed to be very hard-hitting and Iowa-like. If you're looking for a vigorous program with really craft-driven workshops, I'd look at Iowa, Johns Hopkins, New School, NYU, Columbia, Montana, Minnesota, Wisconsin...there are a lot of programs that are a bit more structured and hard-edged in their workshops.

They're both great programs, though. Indiana seems very diverse (the MFA program, not the school), and Houston is tied for #2 with Johns Hopkins (in the last set of rankings). Congratulations.


sarandipidy


Apr 4, 2006, 9:36 PM

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Ithaca is definitely overpriced. A crappy one-bedroom apartment within reasonable walking distance to Cornell is $800 per month or more. I took the same thing into account about Amherst, where I was accepted. I chose Oregon (poetry) and it looks like in Eugene you can get a one bedroom for around $500 a month. That's less than how much I'm paying right now for a room in Ithaca's Collegetown in a 10-person falling-apart house!


rocky_fona


Apr 4, 2006, 9:56 PM

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Ithaca is a renting nightmare. You have to find a place like a year in advance.
I also think renting in Bloomington and Amherst are just as bad...and sometimes worse. So expensive and so crappy, especially for incoming graduate students...i don't know how one finds a decent place to live in towns like those.

You did well by choosing Eugene. You can get such a cute place there, with a nice view out your window, for a fairly affordable price.


clarabow


Apr 4, 2006, 10:22 PM

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Hey AugustMaria, when did they call you today???!?


augustmaria


Apr 4, 2006, 10:25 PM

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Um...around 4:30 EST? I just got a voicemail; I was in class and I wasn't able to get in touch with him afterwards.


clarabow


Apr 4, 2006, 10:27 PM

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cool. congrats, again.


Kelsie


Apr 4, 2006, 11:36 PM

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Four years in Indiana (undergrad) formed my entire poetic aesthetic...at least as far as landscape is concerned. I still fly back to Indiana every few months just to get my "fix" of the cornfields, rusted out chevys, general stores, and slow creeks where I can skinny dip in peace (not an option in Eugene....where everyone is skinny dipping simultaneously). : )

I do love Oregon, don't get me wrong. It's incredible to be in a place where I can drive to the coast and watch the storms from a fisherman's pub or drive to an ancient forest and read beneath an 800 year old tree or drive to the mountains and enjoy three feet of snow or drive waaaay to the east and experience the high, lonely miles of sagebrush prairie. It's wonderful. But the beauty is so immediate and so overwhelming, I hardly know what to "do" with it right now. Indiana was a more hidden beauty. I had to go looking for it...and I found it in the grittiness of the lives of people who lived in towns that were barely more than a street between cornfields...I found it in the loneliness of the backroads and in the slow decay of once-booming milltowns. In my four years there (at DePauw University), I probably traveled to Bloomington all of ten times (for Thai food). But I must have gone hundreds, if not thousands of miles taking slow rambles that lasted from sunup to sundown. So much came of it, and so much is still coming of it.

Just had to pop in with my defense of the corn forests.

-Kelsie


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Apr 4, 2006, 11:51 PM

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I wonder if the preps are still squaring off against the Cutters in Bloomington?


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augustmaria


Apr 5, 2006, 12:00 AM

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Your description of Indiana is lovely. I'm from northeastern Maine, raised in a town with a population of 743, and the rusted-out cars (most embedded into the overgrown lawns), general stores, gritty people struggling to get by in poverty-stricken mill towns are the things that have shaped me as a writer and as a person. I'm not put off by the lack of cosmopolitan in a town; I'm intimidated by the size of Indiana more than anything. Right now I'm living in a town of 7,000 people and it still feels funny to walk on pavement all day long. I also love to find beauty in unexpected places--I know the overwhelmed feeling you refer to. I just love the Indiana that you've described, here. I'm ineloquent tonight--I can't quite explain it.

It's a remarkable thing, deciding where you're going to spend the next two or three years of your life.


fionayale


Apr 5, 2006, 12:09 AM

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I don't know...you said you're from a small town in Maine? I don't know...if you were my daughter, I'd suggest you try living on the other side of the country for a while. Are you choosing between Indiana and Montana or Indiana and Oregon?

Personally, I find the rugged beauty of Montana completely awe-inspiring. My favorite places to hike and climb are in Montana and in Wyoming.


augustmaria


Apr 5, 2006, 12:15 AM

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So far I've been accepted at Montana and Indiana. I'm on the waitlist at Bowling Green and Louisiana State.

I don't quite understand why you are putting me in the role of your daughter as opposed to your peer, but thanks for the advice. I think Bloomington, Indiana is still a hell of a change from Clifton, Maine, but what do I know.


fionayale


Apr 5, 2006, 12:24 AM

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:) I didn't mean to be condescending. When you get to my age (ancient), you start thinking of EVERY young woman as your daughter!

Bloomington is great in many a way, don't get me wrong. But Montana is almost like...a different country. Same goes for Wyoming. That's all i meant. I didn't mean to offend.


fionayale


Apr 5, 2006, 12:25 AM

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And wow...those two programs where you're on the wait lists...are, like, wow. Great programs. You chose your schools well.


augustmaria


Apr 5, 2006, 12:30 AM

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No worries--I think I'm hyper-defensive about the age issue due to the exhausting (and, in my opinion, pointless) age/experience discussion on here. Thank you again for the advice--it really is somewhat terrifying to decide what I'm going to do!


sovietsleepover


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I think they speak French there, now.


sovietsleepover


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Plus, I just think Bloomington is lame. There's not much to do there if you're not a sports fanatic (compared to other college towns) and the surrounding area is boring and unattractive.

What one person hates can be another's ideal landscape--reading Kelsie's post totally underscores that! I remember in college one of the people in the MFA program mentioned he'd gone to undergrad in Tucson & said it was awful--said it felt like he was surrounded by fratboys & there wasn't anything to do but drink & look at the barren, desolate landscape & go for drives in the desert. He hated it & left the moment he graduated. Four or five years later I moved to Tucson on a harebrained whim and immediately fell in love with the art deco architecture falling into ruin, the alien flora & fauna, the topography (I'd never lived near mountains!)... Right away the fact I could pick fruit off trees on the U of A campus, that old hippies & young academics & everyone in between mixed comfortably, and that the city was affordable and featured a ton of good hiking & lefty activism & good art reaffirmed that I'd made a fantastic decision. It was funny, too, because the guy who told me he hated it was the writer I respected by far the most, both as a poet & as an intellectual, as well as a cool, interesting person. So anyway, this goes to show that these things are totally personal. A lot of the things I dislike about Austin (super-hip, self-aware coffee shop culture, the overhyped "keep Austin weird" mentality) are big draws for some people. Who knows? :)

Anyway, I've heard there are annual pirate parades in Bloomington. What city can beat that?


Weege


Apr 5, 2006, 9:42 AM

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Well spoken, CCCP. More than anything, your MFA choice comes down to "fit." The location is a concern, definitely -- you'll be living there two or three years -- and you should look for your best fit, but it's really a secondary concern. If you're happy with your program and you make good friends, you're not going to care if you're living on Ice Station Zebra.

I have a different perspective on this than most posters because I've been in two MFA programs. I went to UMass in 2001 and left, for a number of reasons. Now I'm at Warren Wilson, which is a much better fit for me -- but it wouldn't be for everybody. I think both of these programs are outstanding, but I was only successful in one of them. I guess my basic suggestion is to get to know the program, ask lots of questions until you're able to figure out where your best fit is going to be.


Aubrie


Apr 5, 2006, 10:35 AM

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Anyway, I've heard there are annual pirate parades in Bloomington. What city can beat that?

You've obviously never been to the annual mermaid parade in Coney Island. ;)
Hurray for Brooklyn!


theapplepicker


Apr 5, 2006, 11:26 AM

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What one person hates can be another's ideal landscape--reading Kelsie's post totally underscores that!


I've got to second this. Over on the Grad Cafe forums, I read someone's comments on Ohio State. This person (I think it was a lady person) said that you have to love football if you attend Ohio State because that's the culture, and it's everywhere.

While football is an important part of Ohio State's culture, I can say that football barely touched my life during the 2 1/2 years I was an Ohio State student. My experience with Ohio State football was in reading about it in the school paper, the coach hawking stuff on TV, and crappy traffic during the home games.

I also got more out of my education at Ohio State than I did at two other, smaller, private institutions I attended. And before going, I never would have guessed that Ohio State would be a better fit for me.

It's good to know about the lousy housing situation at Indiana, though. That disappoints me.


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clarabow


Apr 5, 2006, 1:22 PM

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Can you explain a little to us why UMass wasn't a good fit? I might re-apply there next year, so it'd be helpful to hear your input.


clarabow


Apr 5, 2006, 1:26 PM

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Apple, i had a friend who went to Ohio State for grad school (not fiction) and LOVED it. Never left. Teaches there now (and had offers at other places). You are right.

I agree that not everyone will agree about locations, but I think it's helpful to hear people's opinions. For example, someone hear said they loved Indiana for the cornfields...or hated Indiana for the lack of mountains...those things can help a person form a decision, even if it's because they know they'll like what other people dislike. I find that the more opinions I get, the better the decision I make, even if I'm discouraged to go through with something and decide to do it anyway.

Yeah, I've heard that the housing situation in Bloomington is pretty stiff and expensive - not like NYC, but for a collegetown, not that great if you're not willing to live the undergrad life again. I'm on the waiting list, so I'm not sure how much time I'll have left to find a good apartment (I've heard from others that they've had housing problems there).


Stroudb

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Apr 5, 2006, 1:40 PM

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rocky_fona--I noticed you missed Michigan and UVA on your list of places with craft-driven workshops. Where would you place them?


rocky_fona


Apr 5, 2006, 1:52 PM

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hey - sorry, i hope no one thinks that i left out schools because they didn't make the mark...i was just grabbing at the names that came to mind...

Michigan is a very good school and I don't know much about their workshops, not enough to comment. I'd be talking out my you-know-what if I decided to pass judgment. From what I can tell, it's an excellent program.

UVA, in my opinion, has the best workshops in the country. Seriously. I've heard they're small, tough and that the students tend to be very, very serious about their classmates' work. That is important. I think Indiana is great, and things change from year to year...but I know that there are one or two people (fiction, fiction, I have absolutely no right to comment on poetry there, as I don't know anyone who went through the poetry program) who felt that their fellow students just didn't put in enough time into preparing critiques for workshop. That, to me, could be a sign that they aren't serious about the program. I could be wrong. I'm often wrong! I don't want to put down Indiana too much, I feel like I am...I just think it's good to put out all the opinions I've heard. It also might just be that Indiana's program has been in a little bit of transition (this is second-hand knowledge) the last year or two and probably for the next year or two...so it might not be in the steadiest place right now. Don't hold me to this. I feel super uncomfortable saying anything negative on these boards. Luckily, this isn't even my computer, ha!

Good luck, everyone.


rocky_fona


Apr 5, 2006, 1:56 PM

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Hey Junior - Does that mean you, too, were accepted at Indiana? Congratulations! - Rocky


Weege


Apr 5, 2006, 2:02 PM

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Clarabow -- About 90% of the reasons I left UMass had nothing to do with the program itself. 9/11 happened in my first semester. My wife and I got pregnant and there were some complications (the doctors couldn't pick up a heartbeat). Back home, several relatives died. I felt very, very far from home.

And the 10% that had to do with the program wasn't the program's fault. It was my fault for not finding the right fit. One day I was walking along with my friend Justin, bitching about the stupid linguistics class I was taking and all the papers I had to grade, when he said, "Hm. It sounds like all you want to do is write."

He was right. All I wanted to do was write. Which is why a traditional program, with all of its non-writing-related requirements, wasn't a good fit for me. And why a low-res program was.

So ask questions -- not just of the program, but of yourself as well.


clarabow


Apr 5, 2006, 2:08 PM

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Oh, Weege! I'm sorry you had such a dark time. I hope life is treating you well now.

Thank you for sharing your MFA experiences. I think you are right. I, too, need to take a hard look at myself, what I am willing to do, what I am not willing to do, and what I want from the next few years and beyond.

Peter Turchi teaches at WW, no? I think he's fantastic and have heard that he is amazing teacher.

Clara.


Weege


Apr 5, 2006, 8:43 PM

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Clarabow -- Life couldn't be any better for me now.

I'm in my first semester at Warren Wilson and I haven't had a chance to work with Pete. But, from watching him run the show at the residency, I can tell you he's an impressive individual. At ease with himself, so he puts you at ease as well -- if that makes any sense. If you -- or anyone -- has any questions about Warren Wilson, I'll do my best to answer. It sounds like Rooblue is further along in the program than I am, but, who knows, maybe I can be of some help, too.


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Hey Junior - Does that mean you, too, were accepted at Indiana? Congratulations! - Rocky



Thanks! But no, I'm applying next year. I was just referencing 1979's hilarious Breaking Away, starring Dennis Quaid, a movie that takes place at Indiana. A friend sent me an old VHS copy for, as he said, "preparation".


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Apr 6, 2006, 12:03 AM

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UVA, in my opinion, has the best workshops in the country...small, tough and...the students tend to be very, very serious about their classmates' work...Indiana is great...but...fellow students just didn't put in enough time into preparing critiques for workshop.

Could this warrant a thread of its own? Workshop styles/rumors? Someone here also mentioned Indiana as "touchy feely", while Iowa is known to have "hard hitting", no-nonsense workshops. This is news to me, and is exactly the kind of info I've been looking for. To what extent could these rumors be considered accurate? Does a workshop style change from teacher to teacher, school to school, or could appllcants reasonably expect Indiana to be more supportive, and Iowa more realistic? What's the dish on other schools?


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lauraliziegler


Apr 6, 2006, 12:21 AM

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This would be of interest to me, too, as I'll be applying to MFA programs this fall. Great idea!


augustmaria


Apr 6, 2006, 12:59 PM

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Has anyone definitely decided on Indiana for the fall? I'd love to talk to anyone who is sure (or almost sure, or sort of sure, or even just thinking about it).


rocky_fona


Apr 7, 2006, 2:52 PM

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I recommend reading the work of the faculty, if you are one of the people who got into Indiana. The faculty tend to write fiction which is culturally and politically motivated. It's good, but that doesn't match up with everyone's style. If you go to Amazon, you can read a lot of first pages.


oliviasfortunes


Apr 7, 2006, 4:12 PM

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I know that someone explained this on the board already, and there's a website, and I got some info from the program...but I *still* confused. Can someone answer these Indiana funding questions?

1. What do MFA Fiction students teach?
2. What is the workload?
3. What is the stipend?
4. Does everyone get tuition remission?
5. Do we take classes during our third year? Which classes do we take?
6. Do we do a creative thesis the third year?
7. Does the stipend cover living expenses in Bloomington?


mingram
Mike Ingram

Apr 7, 2006, 5:46 PM

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Olivia, it seems like you're having a hard time getting information out of UMass. Are people just not returning your calls? If so, and if it was me, I think that could sway me away from attending.

Actually, when I applied two years ago, I got into UMass but turned them down. One of the reasons was that they struck me as kind of disorganized -- I got some conflicting emails from them, the funding situation was never entirely clear (I think I remember that you had to apply separately for funding once you were accepted, which seemed like kind of a hassle). Then, after I'd declined their offer, I kept getting these odd emails about apartments and upcoming readings in Amherst, and finally figured out they hadn't taken me off the list of attending students, so I had to call again.

Of course this may have just been an isolated incident. I don't want to badmouth the program, because there were some things I really liked about it. But I was turned off by what I perceived as a general lack of organization, as well as some uncertainties about funding.


oliviasfortunes


Apr 7, 2006, 6:05 PM

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Mike, you've pretty much summarized the vibe I've gotten from UMass.

Since you're in grad school now (Iowa, right?), do you have any advice about Indiana? Do people in the MFA world hold that program in high regard? I've heard mixed reviews on the faculty...but no one really seems to say exactly why.

I got really turned on by a description on the UMass thread of the lively readings that take place in the Amherst area...is the same true in Bloomington? Do established writers visit and read there during the school year?


augustmaria


Apr 7, 2006, 6:22 PM

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I have a (perhaps odd) question.

There's so much said about the cultural/political sort of writing that goes on at Indiana, with both the faculty and the students. I don't consider my writing multicultural or very political, though it can be socially-aware, I suppose. I think about this, and I start to doubt the prospect of me "fitting into" the program, but, then, why the heck did they accept me? Doesn't that count for quite a bit? The writing sample I sent to Indiana consisted mainly of a short story that I'm now extending into a novel, and it's my biggest writing project as of yet. Am I naive in thinking that because that writing got me accepted that it will likely be received well once I'm in workshop? I'm not trying to be combative with anyone's opinions or suggestions, but I don't want to become discouraged about such a wonderful program for reasons that may not be completely valid.


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mingram
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Apr 7, 2006, 6:40 PM

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Unfortunately, I don't know much about the Indiana program, but I do think it's generally well-regarded. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I didn't apply there -- it was on my long list at one point.

I went to a summer workshop there before I applied to grad schools. That was a good experience -- I had a workshop with Robert Olen Butler, and was actually, by coincidence, in workshop with a guy who's now my classmate at Iowa. Though the faculty at the summer program weren't from the MFA program, so that doesn't really give you any insight. I thought Bloomington was okay. That was my first trip to the Midwest, actually. I remember one of my classmates making fun of me because I kept taking pictures of things that, to her, seemed completely boring and ordinary -- flat farmland, grain silos, etc. It was kind of deserted in the summer, but that's normal for college towns. I'm sure it's completely different during the school year.

Augustmaria -- I'd say that if a school admitted you, they think you're someone they can work with, and whose writing will benefit from their program. I don't know about Indiana, but in my MFA experience, there's been a real diversity of styles. And those styles don't necessarily seem to have anything to do with the styles of the faculty (or at least not anything obvious, that is -- I've found the teachers, for the most part, quite good at reading and responding to a variety of stories, even those that may be really different than the kinds of stories they're writing).


oliviasfortunes


Apr 7, 2006, 6:45 PM

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hey mike, i've visited iowa city...how would you compare bloomington to iowa city?


clarabow


Apr 8, 2006, 12:18 PM

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I bet it's hard to compare any college town to Iowa City, just because Iowa City has the greatest cafe/bookstore in any small town ever, Prairie Lights! I don't know if Bloomington has such a good bookstore or even the kinds of readings they get at Prairie Lights Books...you might want to find someone on the board who currently goes to Indiana, and ask them.


mingram
Mike Ingram

Apr 8, 2006, 1:24 PM

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Yeah, I don't know enough about Bloomington to compare it to Iowa City. The IC does have a very good bookstore, and there's a lot of literary culture here with the workshop (which people in town actually know about) and a lot of writers coming through to give readings and stuff. I was in Bloomington during the summer, so I don't know what it's like during the school year. In June, it was ... quiet.

Iowa's a big Big Ten school, as is Indiana. There are some obnoxiously drunken undergrads here, which is sometimes funny, sometimes kind of annoying. But mostly funny, to me at least. Sometimes the Ped Mall late at night is like walking into an MTV Spring Break show. Lots of drunken yelling, sometimes there's crying. But that's fairly contained in certain parts of town, and easy enough to avoid.

It is cheap, which is nice. I moved here from D.C., so it was exciting that I could go out and get inexpensive food and $1 beers. And that I could afford to live in a one-bedroom apartment that was actually a one-bedroom, not a closet w/ hot plate and toaster oven.


fionayale


Apr 8, 2006, 2:36 PM

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Well, oliviasfortunes, Bloomington is not a literary or progressive town, not like Iowa City or Missoula or other intellectual small towns. The MTV Spring Break mentality seems pretty prevalent at Indiana U.


bighark


Apr 8, 2006, 3:12 PM

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fionayle, is that a statement you're making as someone who's lived there?

If what you say about Bloomington is true, I wonder how IU can attract the faculty that maintains some of the finest arts and music programs in the country.

Maybe IU has a bunch of rowdy undergrads, but show me a school that doesn't.


HopperFu


Apr 8, 2006, 3:22 PM

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Um, whomever it is that is thinking about Indiana here: talk to some of the current students and the faculty. Students will give you the straight dope about everything, from the profs to the town to the rent to the administrative assistant who always loses his keys.
You're getting a lot of bluster from people here. Has anybody who is actually posting about the MFA program at Indiana actually gone to the MFA program at Indiana?
I mean, I have no clue if it is a good program or a good place to live, but this seems like the sort of fairly important life decision that shouldn't be based on second or third hand advice.
Indiana should be willing to give you phone numbers or emails of current students. They will also probably set-up a chance for you to talk to the profs if you would like.


augustmaria


Apr 8, 2006, 3:35 PM

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Agreed.

In my brief experience (read: since this past Tuesday) with Indiana, I've found the faculty to be extremely available and willing to answer any of my questions. I've also contacted current students and have had the same outcome. Let me just say that, again from my own limited knowledge of the program, a lot of what has been discussed in this forum about Indiana's program is bull. Get your info, like HopperFu wisely suggests, from the people you really want to be listening to.


mingram
Mike Ingram

Apr 8, 2006, 4:14 PM

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Yeah, I'd ditto HopperFu's advice: call the program, get in touch with actual students. If I'd listened to the second-, third-, and fourth-hand grumblings about Iowa, rather than talking to students here, I would have had a very ill-informed conception of the program.

I think this board is particularly helpful when you're trying to decide where to apply, and for gauging how competitive and subjective this process is. But once you get in somewhere, you can get information directly from the source -- faculty, current students, maybe even former students. That's a much better source than an outsider's interpretation of a few lines from a school's web site, or the kind of "I knew someone who knew someone whose sister said Ohio State's teachers only liked experimental fiction" things that crop up on message boards.

I think you can expect the students to be honest about the pros and cons of the program -- they don't have anything at stake in trying to convince you to go there. It's also probably a good idea to talk to multiple people and try to balance what you hear. One person may be miserable at a particular program for reasons that have nothing to do with the program itself (they miss the ocean, they have a crappy apartment, someone trashed their story last week in workshop). So the more opinions you can get, the better.

Good luck.


theapplepicker


Apr 8, 2006, 4:53 PM

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Right on.

I've read a fair bit about Bloomington, Indiana lately, and from my research, it seems to me that Bloomington is sort of an oasis in the desert of pretty depressing (to me, at least) ideologies that are commonly found in the Midwest.

In fact, a friend of mine (who will soon be graduating from IU with a BFA in art) told me essentially the same thing.

All this speculation and friend-of-a-friend BS about Bloomington is frustrating to me.

After I've been there for a semester, I'll report back on my experience.


HopperFu


Apr 8, 2006, 5:02 PM

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After I've been there for a semester, I'll report back on my experience.



I'm sure that future applicants / accepted students will appreciate that. I know that I have greatly appreciated contributions by people like Mike Ingram (Iowa) and Sarandippidy (Cornell), who were able to shed light on programs I was considering.


clarabow


Apr 9, 2006, 9:57 AM

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All this talk about Indiana is really becoming incredibly stupid. Sorry. But it is. And I've said some of the stupid things, I'm sure. The fact is, Indiana is great, and most of us seem to be nitpicking about crap we know nothing about! :) To suggest that Indiana is picking people based on race is...so absurd it deserves no more attention on these boards. And to suggest that Bloomington is an awful place to live is hilarious. People love saying New Haven is a dump, but is that a reason to turn down Yale? Indiana is one in the "MFA Ivy League", as far as I'm concerned...and so are Iowa, Columbia, Montana, UMass, Virginia, Davis and all the other top programs that have been discussed on these boards. Oliviasfortunes, AugustMaria, Apple Picker...wherever you decide to go, you all have excellent choices and are going to be pretty happy at any of those (very equal) places.

Oliviasfortunes, where are you from? I ask because you seem really concerned with location...are you nervous about moving to the Midwest?


oliviasfortunes


Apr 9, 2006, 10:00 AM

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I grew up in a tiny town in Iowa. So, no, not afraid of the Midwest!

Thanks for your comments, Clarabow (and everyone else).

I see a lot of good things at both programs. Indiana seems like a great place. I'd be interested to hear what people think of the faculty, if you've read anything by them. I'd love to hear some opinions on their work and it'd be fun to have a more grown-up, literary discussion about Indiana! Feel free to PM me.

And I did email to schedule phone calls with students next week, so thanks for pushing me to do that. I didn't want to seem pushy with the students, but I guess that was a silly thing of me to think.


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theapplepicker


Apr 9, 2006, 3:05 PM

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Oliviasfortunes--Just last night I reserved several books from IU faculty (poetry & fiction) at my local library. I'll read and report when I'm able. I already own 1-800-HOT-RIBS (which is an effing rad title, if you ask me) by Catherine Bowman, and I've read other poetry faculty's poems. When it comes to fiction, though, I'll admit to not having a very sophisticated understanding of mechanics. I know what I like, though.

Try to see if you can borrow IU fiction faculty books from your local library. It'd probably be best if you didn't have to rely on my evaluation or anyone else's, but still, I'll do what I can.


oliviasfortunes


Apr 9, 2006, 5:31 PM

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Actually, I've read a couple of the faculty...that's what drew me to the program. I just thought it'd be fun to talk about them :).

I'm really into Scott Russell Sanders. I think he's awesome.


theapplepicker


Apr 9, 2006, 6:19 PM

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I've never read any of his fiction, but when he was in my hometown as the keynote speaker for a local college's workshop, he read some of his nonfiction. I loved it.


oliviasfortunes


Apr 9, 2006, 7:44 PM

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Do you know if he teaches any nonfiction workshops? I should put that on my list of questions for the students...


theredscarf


Apr 9, 2006, 8:21 PM

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Phew! I'm a newbie and a bit overwhelmed by all the Indiana posts.

I'm going to Indiana this fall. I'd love to talk to anyone who plans to attend Indiana this fall (or already lives there) via Private Messages. I'm nervous about moving to Bloomington, even though I love the program, so do get in touch if you're headed that way.

Yeah!


theapplepicker


Apr 9, 2006, 8:54 PM

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I couldn't say for sure. But, putting two and two together, I would guess that he does: his bio says that his main work is in literary nonfiction, and IU does have a nonfic workshop, W615: Writing Creative Nonfiction. Let me know what you find out!


oliviasfortunes


Apr 9, 2006, 10:51 PM

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Congrats, Red Scarf!

ApplePicker, I'll let you know what I find out about Sanders' courses. He's got a nice quote on the Indiana picture tour page.

This is a little unrelated, but tonight I finished reading The Master of Monterey, a novel by Lawrence Coates. It is one of the best books I've read in ages. AugustMaria, you might want to look at it. I didn't apply to Bowling Green, but only because I had limited funds with which to apply to schools. He could be a cool person to study with (I don't know your style or who you feel allegiance to at Indiana...but I really liked this book, and I think he's written at least one more, which I will seek out on Amazon).

ApplePicker, have you read A Companion for Owls? It's a wonderful book of poems. I like the way it takes on a character's voice, sort of like Bishop did when she wrote from the perspective of Robinson Crusoe.


oliviasfortunes


Apr 9, 2006, 10:54 PM

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Sorry, I've become totally paranoid by this board...in just one small way...and that is...August, I didn't mean I didn't think you'd like the professors at Indiana. Hell, I like them a lot. I just meant...I was trying to be helpful, and then when I re-read the post I thought that, in light of the recent controversy on the thread, it might sounds like I was being dismissive of Indiana. That's not what I meant at all.

But seriously, everyone should check out Lawrence Coates. He's one of my new favorites :).


fionayale


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Scott Sanders is a world-class essayist! I recommend "The Force of Spirit", a wonderful collection.

I believe Lawrence Coates directs the program at Bowling Green. I think he won Barnes and Noble's Discover New Writers Award recently (I remember seeing it on that special shelf at the store in our mall!). That's how I discovered his work. From what I can tell, he had some good commercial success with that book. It got quite a bit of exposure. Michael Czyzniejewski has a reputation for being an excellent mentor. He has edited stories for a lot of successful, talented writers in his capacity as the editor at various publications, not least of which is Mid-American Review.

Congrats, August. You can't go wrong. And congrats to Apple and Red Scarf...and everyone! It's exciting to see all of you making these big decisions.


clarabow


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Don't worry, Olivasfortunes. I think everyone is getting over it now.

Scott Sanders is great. I recently read an essay of his in a literary journal. I've been sitting here racking my brain, but I can't remember which journal...it was really recent, so maybe someone here knows...

I like Lawrence Coates, too! I discovered him through the Barnes and Noble series, as well. First I was drawn to the book because I loved the cover (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?z=y&isbn=087417337X); then I opened it up and was immediately attracted to the prose.

Have you read Theresa Williams "The Secret of Hurricanes"? It's here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931561109/qid=1144638471/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4881112-1922409?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 "The Secret of Hurricanes" is a beautiful, beautiful book. Stylistically, very unique. Gorgeous language. She writes fiction like a poet. I attended one of her readings. She took the time to answer questions from writing students afterwards and was very smart, very kind and very original.


theapplepicker


Apr 10, 2006, 10:12 AM

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No, I haven't yet read A Companion for Owls. My local library doesn't have it. I almost bought it online last night, but I guess it's only available so far in hardcover, and I don't really like reading hardcover books that much. Instead I ordered 3 poetry books by other faculty and the collected works of Lorine Neidecker.

I have to thank my brother again for that gift card!


oliviasfortunes


Apr 10, 2006, 10:21 AM

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I love Lorine Niedecker. A fellow midwesterner! Does she teach anywhere?


theapplepicker


Apr 10, 2006, 12:09 PM

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Unfortunately, no. She passed away some time ago.


HopperFu


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In Reply To
Sorry, I've become totally paranoid by this board...in just one small way...and that is...August, I didn't mean I didn't think you'd like the professors at Indiana. Hell, I like them a lot. I just meant...I was trying to be helpful, and then when I re-read the post I thought that, in light of the recent controversy on the thread, it might sounds like I was being dismissive of Indiana. That's not what I meant at all.

But seriously, everyone should check out Lawrence Coates. He's one of my new favorites :).



Oliviasfortunes: I think the concern (well at least mine), was that people were bashing Indiana without appearing to actually know anything about it. If you've read the profs or met the profs and don't like them, I think that's fair game (since, you know, you aren't just pulling your opinion out of thin air).
I don't really give a crap one way or another about Indiana, but I think unless people can give concrete reasons why something is bad, we shouldn't just trash it.


oliviasfortunes


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Haha, I was trying to make a joke (about MFA programs and finding out where people teach)...maybe I should stick to writing, wink!

Hopper, thanks. I don't feel so weird about my post now.


augustmaria


Apr 11, 2006, 9:26 PM

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Well, the MFA-application dance is finally over for me. I've accepted Indiana's offer.



(theapplepicker, hi!!!)


bighark


Apr 11, 2006, 9:39 PM

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Congratulations!


theapplepicker


Apr 12, 2006, 9:02 AM

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Hooray! Congratulations!


augustmaria


Jan 27, 2009, 1:26 AM

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I've just, nearly three years later, read through this thread, and I have to say that a lot of these posts now infuriate me a bit. Back when this thread was current, I of course had never been to Bloomington, knew very little about the town and about IU, and so the misrepresentations of the town and program nearly spooked me out of accepting Indiana's offer. I know I meant to come back and make a "straight from the horse's mouth" post after I'd been here a semester, but I guess it's never late than never. Hopefully doing this now will help those applying (and deciding) this year and in future years.

1) Bloomington is a wonderful town! It's the liberal oasis of Indiana, home to one of the best music schools in the country, a common stop for bands coming down from Chicago or up from Louisville. There are independent coffee houses and bookstores and bars full of midwest hipsters and tree-lined streets. There are strip malls and drunk undergrads too, but those things keep you honest.

2) The claim that IU's MFA students don't form a strong "out of workshop bond" honestly made me laugh. You want to see our out of workshop bond? Add me on Facebook and take a look at my photo albums. We spend inane amounts of time together. We travel in packs. We have Halloween parties and Christmas parties and Thanksgiving together. I could go on. But, believe me: WE HANG OUT. A LOT.

3) The fiction workshops are tough. Some might describe certain professors as brutal. I have never once heard the fiction workshops here described as "touchy feely."

4) The program does have something of a "multicultural" focus, and I don't want to open that can of worms again, but I do want to say that I have so appreciated and treasued having the wide range of eyes on my writing over the past few years. We are not all alike and do not all write similar stories and I like it that way.

5) My teaching load, which has been fairly typical, has been this:

1st year, a 1:1 creative writing load
2nd year, a 1:2 comp load
3rd year, a 1:1 creative writing load

I'm sure other programs have cushier teaching gigs, but I haven't been complaining (too much).




Not sure what else to write besides that much of the information in this thread re: Bloomington and IU is crrrrrrrap! Listen to the (soon to be) alum. I'll set you straight.

- Kate


gcsumfa


Jan 28, 2009, 5:23 PM

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There's something really hilarious about a bunch of people whining about an MFA program deciding on a "mutil-cultural" focus/bent, as if there is a shortage of more "traditional" MFA programs.

If anything, there are too many MFA programs that are alike.


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lavventura


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Hi all, I received a call today from IU and offered a poetry spot. Any others out there?


unsaid78


Jan 31, 2009, 10:16 PM

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I haven't gotten a call from Indiana (crossing my fingers on that one), but I do want to tell you CONGRATULATIONS LAVVENTURA!!

Also, thanks augustmaria for your informational post! I didn't want to post on this thread out of superstition lol but I've been meaning to thank you. "I'm not superstitious, I'm just a little 'stitious"- Michael, "The Office"


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lavventura


Feb 1, 2009, 12:02 AM

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Thanks, Unsaid. I'm wishing for you.


Khalilah


Feb 6, 2009, 10:15 PM

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Hi Nikkiwrites,

I son't know if you will get this but if you do, now that you've been at IU for 2 years can you tell me about your experience with workshop and the time to write given the teaching and critical class commitments? I was just accepted yesterday.

Sincerely,

Khalilah


Khalilah


Feb 6, 2009, 11:46 PM

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Hi Kate (Augustmaria),

I'm so glad that you came back and posted. I was accepted by Indiana for fiction yesterday and am glad to read so much of what you are speaking about especially the tough criticism in the workshops. Can you share anything about mentorship in the program? Do you have information in general about the relationships between faculty and students in workshop and one-on-one classes? Also, Can you explain what 1:1; 1:2; 1:1 teaching loads mean -- is this one class each semester; one class fall and two classes spring and finally one class each semester again?


I guess if I go, I'll be contributing to that multi-culti environment but I've been at Columbia as an undergrad and taking writing workshops here for the past two years and in an environment where my work is always an amazing cultural revelation, it takes two or three times of it being workshopped before students become really comfortable with giving me craft feedback. But when I get craft criticism, I am so thankful because the guidance to making a story strong is the same no matter what I'm writing about. I'm thinking that if my fellow students see multi culti settings as the norm (whether their writings have similar settings or not) then they will more quickly be comfortable giving me craft feedback. I find it difficult to believe that there is any program in which multi culti stories or non-anglo writers dominate because most of my friends of non-anglo backgrounds, especially immigrants (and half immigrants), bow to the pressure to pursue sure money careers for advanced study.

I look forward to your response and any other information you wish to share on Indiana's program.

Sincerely,

Khalilah


nikkiwrites


Feb 7, 2009, 12:16 AM

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Hi Khalilah,

First off, congrats on your acceptance! I'm so excited for you. Are you in poetry or fiction? My experience at IU has been overwhelmingly positive. As far as workshop goes, I'd say it's sufficiently critical. You can expect to get solid critiques of your work. I'd definitely agree with my colleague, augustmaria, that our workshops are far from "touchy feely," but not catty either. People here are very invested in their work, but I'd say the vibe of the program is far more supportive than competitive.

I'd say the program is pretty rigorous as far as teaching and course requirements go, but it's totally doable. The cool thing is that the teaching load your first year is pretty light. You get a section of creative writing each semester, and you work with a senior instructor so you're basically just leading a discussion section for an hour twice a week. Teaching comp your second year is more time consuming, but again you can (and will) still manage to find time to write. As far as lit classes go, we have to take twelve hours, but the program's pretty flexible in terms of the classes you can take to fulfill this requirement. The workload for each lit class just depends on what you decide to take.

So, I'm not sure how well I've answered your questions, but feel free to pm me if there's anything else I can help you with.

Best,
Kelly


umass76


Feb 7, 2009, 12:29 AM

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Hi there Khaliah,

Congratulations on your acceptance! I think the answer to your question depends in part on whether you mean non-anglo writers or non-white writers. I'm white, but like most whites I'm not anglo, i.e. it's probably very easy to find a program where non-anglos dominate--that would be most programs, I'm guessing--but very hard (as you've noted) to find one where non-white writers are a majority. Hope this makes sense, I realize I might just be misunderstanding you, maybe you're using "anglo" as a shorthand for all white people? I recall seeing (I mean hearing) this usage back in college in the 1990s, so it might still be in widespread use. I remember being surprised at the time, because I'm fairly pale but my ancestors are all from Poland, Russia, Lithuania, and Romania, with nary an Angle in the whole tree (indeed, growing up I recall feeling as though Anglos were very foreign to me, as their hair/eye combinations I associated with blond/blue rather than [my own ancestors'] brown or black/darker brown). Anyway, sorry for the digression! Congratulations again on Indiana! Be well,

S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo (which notes, to my surprise [but I guess not total shock] that in the U.S. this term is deemed offensive by some)


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unsaid78


Feb 7, 2009, 1:33 AM

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Hey, can someone answer the part of the question about what 1:1, 1:2 and all that means in terms of teaching loads? Is it correct that the first number is the first semester and the second number is the second semester? I tried googling for this info and I just don't get it. Thanks!


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Khalilah


Feb 7, 2009, 1:34 AM

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Thanks for the response and request for clarification. We're always learning. When I used the term "anglo" I was thinking mainstream, white American and European because I was thinking about my white Latino friends and my Italian Jewish classmate who bring a multi-culti background and stories to the table but are categorically caucasian. I wasn't thinking about eastern Europeans when I wrote the post but I guess eastern Europeans are categorically "other" right now in the United States although I don't think anyone shying away from a multicultural environment is shying away from a class of 50% eastern Europeans but what do I know about what people don't want to be around when they shy away from programs with a "multi-cultural" focus? I'm coming from New York where everybody borrows from evrybody else's culture while we have the most segregated living spaces I've ever seen as an Air Force Kid whose lived in many places around the country.


Khalilah


Feb 7, 2009, 1:51 AM

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Unsaid,

August maria answered my question two posts above. Thanks Kate. Big thank you for the clarification. It seems like the teaching load I've seen the TAs in our PhD program at Columbia handle.


umass76


Feb 7, 2009, 2:01 AM

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US78,

First number is number of fall courses to be taught, second number is number of spring courses to be taught (by the TA).

Hi Khaliah,

Thanks for clarifying, and you raise another interesting point, though I don't know that anyone shies away from a multi-cultural environment in the MFA setting, largely because it's not literally possible to do this... i.e. you don't know who your cohort will be (or, to put a finer point on it, what your cohort will be writing about or what perspectives they will be writing through) when you agree to matriculate.

Perhaps Indiana, which has a publicly-stated multi-cultural focus, would be a sort of "test setting" for the idea that caucasians would/might shy away from such an academic framework?... though, on the other hand, Indiana is right now rated the 12th most popular MFA program in the United States (out of 200+ MA and MFA creative writing programs), so if caucasians are shying away they're doing a terrible job of it(!) :-)

In any case, I wonder if the confusion isn't partly the distinction between racial, ethnic, and religious categorizations? I'm Jewish myself, and those who don't know much about Judaism sometimes think of us/refer to us as a race or ethnicity and not (as is correct) as a religion. Likewise, if I understand how you're using "anglo" I think you're saying you mean "caucasian," which is a racial categorization obviously, whereas "anglo" as I understood it definitionally would be an ethnic classification (those with an English heritage), so most white Americans and white Europeans wouldn't fit that classification (and as the Wikipedia article noted--and I'd never thought of this!--Irish-Americans are probably most likely to be offended by being called, effectively, British).

Phew! All of which is neither here nor there I guess. I think the more important point is that (at least here in Iowa) use of the word "mainstream" is somewhat frowned upon and out-of-vogue, as it's not clear what that word even means anymore in terms of aesthetics. Speaking only from my experiences here, I can say that I don't think (if you mean "mainstream" from the standpoint of topicality, not aesthetics) many writers identify themselves (and I'm not saying you are) mainly on the basis of the topics they write about. Doing that tends to make workshopping impossible, which is sort of the point you were making I think. As a poet, I don't think in terms of topicality (I'm not that type of poet, so to speak), and my perspective is a mish-mash of aesthetics filtered through a humanist worldview. Hmm. A lot to think about!

Be well,
Seth


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hi everyone, i hope it's alright for me to jump in here with a couple of thoughts. khalilah, i'm thinking that when you say non-"mainstream," you're maybe just referring to writing that focuses on (or even just deals with) cultural issues related to specific groups (especially minority groups, whether it be religious, ethnic, racial, lgbt etc.) if so, i definitely know what you're saying. i've workshopped stories with minority culture characters, and i know that sometimes this can be distracting for some readers---sometimes the problem is definitely with the story itself, of course. anyway, this is an interesting topic. best wishes, all!


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Khalilah


Feb 7, 2009, 3:01 PM

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Yeah Found you got me. More importantly, in my original post which was a request from Kate, for information on the program, I was attempting to express and get confirmation or negation of what I see as the value of a program with a dedication to having a multicultural faculty and student make-up (The focus on the multicultural was listed early on in this thread as one of the negatives about the Indiana program and of course I was a little offended by that but then I just thought hey, what one person thinks is a negative could be really positive for me and here's how.. So I wanted to know if I was right in my assumptions of what this type of environment could offer).

I just visited the Indiana website again this morning and looked at all the fiction student profiles. The students are the most culturally diverse that I have seen in any program (and I haven't seen every program) -- there are people of all colors and many different sexual identities (Indiana even expresses an interest in making single parents feel welcome in their program -- that's just different from what I, in my limited experience, have seen in elite academia) anyway, the students are from all parts of the United states, as well as women from Bosnia, the Indian Subcontinent and South America, and of course those who are considered ethnic minorities in the U.S. For those who write about minority subcultures of all types, Indiana's program seems to be fertile ground for getting your work critically responded to without your professors and classmates spending too much time querying the cultural believability of your details or feeling so uncomfortable with the "difference" that they reserve criticism out of fear of committing a cultural offense, and instead they just focus on how interesting your work is instead of being critical. I want to get away from settings where my work is looked at as imaginative ethnography and any program where the culturally different is taken for granted so people get over that quickly and get down to the business of critiquing the craft of the story is a place appealing to me and I hope it would be worthwhile to even those writing stories set in the dominant U.S. culture. So if any Indiana students or Alumni can give me insight into the validity of my expectations, I welcome that.

Sincerely,

K


Khalilah


Feb 7, 2009, 3:07 PM

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Kelly,

Thank you for your response. The idea of balancing teaching and writing is all so intimidating that its reassuring to hear that its "doable".

Sincerely,

Khalilah


Khalilah


Feb 7, 2009, 3:13 PM

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Hi Kate (and Kelly or other Indiana students or alumni),

What type of exposure to or information about publishers and agents do students, especially (for my interests) fiction students get at Indiana?

Thanks in advance,

Khalilah


augustmaria


Feb 13, 2009, 5:13 PM

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Hey Khalilah - Congratulations on your acceptance! I'll try to answer your questions.

Re: mentorship in the program, I'd say all the faculty members are open and willing to work closely with students. For me it was a matter of finding a good fit for my work. I did find that fit and my peers did too. IU's workshops are set up so in the 4 semesters of workshop, you don't have any "repeat" professors. You get four different faculty voices, which I found very valuable. Your third year (thesis year) will be spent working with whoever you choose as your thesis director and, to a lesser extent, the two or three faculty members you choose as your thesis readers. For me, this year has been more about working with faculty than others since I'm not in workshop and not getting input from my fellow students.

As for your expectations re: the way writers here approach stories in workshop, I think you've pretty much hit it on the figurative head. Of course, I don't know how other workshops in other programs might go, but here it seems that everyone brings something different to the table in both stories and in comments. There is no overwhelming majority in the workshop on any level; we're from different places, we write about different things, we write in different styles. So no one is ever picked out as being "different" because everyone's different. I don't think any of the workshops I took here got bogged down by folks questioning the believability of unfamiliar cultural details or stuff "outside" the stories. It was always very craft-oriented. That might sound idealistic, but it truly has been my experience.

And re: publishers and agents--I don't know a lot about that. We talk casually about sending our stuff out to journals, and some of us hit little jackpots here and there, but no one I know of has a book-length fiction manuscript to be sending out to agents and publishers. Someone might be shopping stuff around, but I'm certainly not (wish I was, though...).

- Kate


Khalilah


Feb 20, 2009, 9:23 AM

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Dear Kate,

I am sorry this is so late but thank you for your information and for coming back and sharing.

Sincerely,

Khalilah


unsaid78


Mar 1, 2009, 7:55 PM

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Hey- I've been following this thread on thegradcafe for info on Bloomington. Just thought I'd share the link. There's some good info there about the town.


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Khalilah


Mar 2, 2009, 5:03 AM

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thanks. i'm going to check it out. Sorry all others but, Unsaid have you found out any info on VaTech? Don't post it here of course but if so, can you pm me or put it in MFA questions and concerns. Five minutes later... I'm reading through the Indiana Bloomington thread on the grad cafe and it is allaying some of my fears. Thanks!!!

Thanks!


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Khalilah


Apr 8, 2009, 3:53 AM

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Visited Indiana. Like the professors. The students were so welcoming and I soooo see myself making friends (cross my fingers-- don't want to jinx it). The workshop that I sat in on was a really good workshop Oh my God, I hate the cold -- its a different cold from New York's cold which I don't like anyway. I have to learn how to dress for their cold. My student ambassador said "in layers". Don't like the on campus apartment design -- but I'll take one for the first year -- they are spacious. The campus is huge -- the midwest has land so they build out (new York builds up y'know). Anyway, I really like the comraderie that the professors try to encourage with the students. The campus is gorgeous. Will write beautiful things about nature and sitting in nature. I so know that if I had not visited before, and I just had four years ahead of me I'd be so scared from the culture shock but because I visited, I believe I can handle it. Okay, visit if you've been accepted and if you've been accepted somewhere else, go visit your school.


raffitt


Dec 16, 2009, 3:28 PM

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Hey ya'll,

I have a question about Indiana's LORs. From their website, I'm under the impression that they want hard copy LORs sent directly their way. However, my recommenders have told me that they've received online requests for recommendations. Is this an either/or situation, or will online recs go unnoticed? Thanks in advance for your help.


WanderingTree


Dec 16, 2009, 3:41 PM

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If you filled out the online application, you have the option to do online recs. Hard copy vs. online? Doesn't really matter.


ryanduke


Feb 4, 2010, 12:19 PM

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This Thread should be picked up.

Indiana has started calling those who have been accepted. If you've received any contact, please let the writing masses know.

I'm waiting by the phone anxiously awaiting my dream date. Will he be a stud or a dud? Why am I playing a board game at a time like this! INDIANA, have your people call my people. We'll do lunch.


Woon


Feb 4, 2010, 12:21 PM

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In Reply To
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Indiana has started calling those who have been accepted. If you've received any contact, please let the writing masses know.

...


Well, this can't be right, because they haven't called me.


ryanduke


Feb 4, 2010, 12:24 PM

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Well, they haven't called me, either. Clearly there's a conspiracy afoot.

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