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thunderbolt


Mar 14, 2009, 4:02 PM

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Raysen,

The sugar-free variety is best eaten in one sitting. Trussssssssssssssssst me.

~Cloud


insertbrackets

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Mar 14, 2009, 4:15 PM

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Samosas are where it's at. Like kisses from Eskimo Fairies I tells ya!


Who told you I was a racist? Was it...a minority?
-T-Rex, qwantz.com Dinosaur Comics


Raysen


Mar 14, 2009, 4:19 PM

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I was listening to a Christmas song the other day, "Holly Jolly Christmas" by Burl Ives. He seemed to sing, in one section,

...and kisses are for trees."

Wha...?


(This post was edited by Raysen on Mar 14, 2009, 4:19 PM)


mrlomez


Mar 14, 2009, 7:11 PM

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Re: [theootto] U Wash Rejection [In reply to] Can't Post

The coating on thin mints is about 30% paraffin wax.

Bares mentioning.


Katevey


Mar 14, 2009, 8:53 PM

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Archibald and Macheezidec (spelling?)
A one-time fad stories about a cochroach. Wasn't MFA literature, just made the author a tidy living.


Khalilah


Mar 15, 2009, 2:52 AM

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Well the thin mints WERE my favorite GS cookie. Thanks Mr. Lomez :(


shellypants


Mar 16, 2009, 8:53 AM

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Received rejection from Hunter this morning by email (fiction). The email was so nice.


Tabby


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Mar 16, 2009, 11:32 AM

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You know, I wish all schools would put effort into nice rejection letters. They should also spring for nice paper, dammit. The letter is still a form letter and we know it. Still, when you've paid over $100 and thought seriously about the application and been through all the hassle of letter, transcripts, etc., the LEAST you deserve is a nice letter. When you receive a rude letter that wasn't even Xeroxed well (crooked, faint) you feel so insulted.

My worst was from OSU a few years back. Although it was kind of funny. The first paragraph was all about how wonderful I was and thank you for applying BUT I knew the BUT was coming and then it did. "You should, however, consider this as your official notification that your application has not been accepted."

Probably I was oversensitive (and who isn't at this juncture?), but I felt like they thought I was going to go fatal attraction on their program. Drive across the country and start crashing workshops and boiling faculty pets.


http://www.kellykathleenferguson.com


swiviol


Mar 16, 2009, 11:36 AM

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Tabby, at least they sent OUT letters ... I got rejected from Brown via email, and that was the most expensive app fee out of all my apps ($70). I kept waiting for a paper rejection as well but I guess they don't use up paper on their rejections. Kinda tasteless.


SevenFreckles


Mar 16, 2009, 11:53 AM

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I'm torn because I prefer to have the rejection letter in my hand rather than find out via the internet. I actually haven't gotten any email rejections... yet. But I did find out about two programs by checking my online status. The plus side of email correspondence is it does save paper and I like to think that is part of why some universities have started notifying that way. In reality it is probably more that it saves the university money, but in my overly-optimistic mind, I like to think of the trees. :)


PJwave1


Mar 16, 2009, 12:04 PM

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Re: [swiviol] U Wash Rejection [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree completely. It's offensive to think that after 70 dollars (not to mention the effort we all put into our apps), we get form emails.

$70 x 750 applications (conservative estimate) = $52,500

Two reams of nice, heavy stock paper - 500ct. = $60 bucks?

Come on, Brownies. The cost of the application added to what Ivy schools charge their undergrads should provide ample funds for a hard copy notice of "you're not good enough." I wanted a physical letter to add to the collection of rejections I've hung on my refrigerator.


yeahyeahyeah


Mar 16, 2009, 12:35 PM

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In Reply To
I agree completely. It's offensive to think that after 70 dollars (not to mention the effort we all put into our apps), we get form emails.

$70 x 750 applications (conservative estimate) = $52,500

Two reams of nice, heavy stock paper - 500ct. = $60 bucks?

Come on, Brownies. The cost of the application added to what Ivy schools charge their undergrads should provide ample funds for a hard copy notice of "you're not good enough." I wanted a physical letter to add to the collection of rejections I've hung on my refrigerator.


I think I tend to take the school's side on these kind of issues because I used to work in higher ed administration. What a lot of you fail to realize is that it costs money, probably more than the app fee in some cases, to put an applicant's file together and get it reviewed. You have to think about the people in the mail room, the grunts who put your file together, administrative assistants, professors and other readers, and directors.

I actually prefer getting denied by email. It's quicker, no one can claim it got lost in the mail, and yes, it does save money, money that can be spent better elsewhere. I don't think anyone should feel entitled to rejections on nice stock by postal mail just because they paid an app fee and put work into an application. And frankly, you're denied, the school doesn't need to do more for you than it already did. If you really want, you can always print out the email on nice stock paper.


PJwave1


Mar 16, 2009, 12:51 PM

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point taken. that said, i work in university administration myself and am fully aware that overhead can be an issue. still, a paper rejection would have been nicer. maybe it's the often informal nature of emails, but i think that charging an applicant $70 warrants a letter.

"If you really want, you can always print out the email on nice stock paper." all right, but then what about their fancy header? the header is key.


Tabby


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Mar 16, 2009, 1:53 PM

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Okay, I can bend on the stock paper.

But I shall not compromise on the well written! This letter (or email) only has to be written once and then it can be sent out over and over.


http://www.kellykathleenferguson.com


Tabby


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Mar 16, 2009, 2:00 PM

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And by "well-written" I mean extremely kind and sensitive. And grateful. Yes! Grateful that the applicant went to so much trouble because he/she thought highly of the program. Iowa wouldn't be the program it is without so many qualified applicants.

It doesn't hurt to be nice, either.

And rejections should come with Girl Scout cookies.


http://www.kellykathleenferguson.com


jamie_mu


Mar 16, 2009, 6:04 PM

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Of those of you who were rejected from Iowa, did anyone receive their writing sample back in the mail? I got mine back today. I thought they kept the writing samples. Just wondering.


v1ctorya


Mar 16, 2009, 7:27 PM

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And rejections should come with Girl Scout cookies.



I second that! I always liked the lemon half moon ones, barring that, thing mints - paraffin wax and all, I'll just use them to make candles first, and then I'll eat them.


reality writes


Mar 16, 2009, 7:57 PM

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rejection from Arizona in my mailbox today. what is it with these giant programs (ahem, Montana) rejecting me, and then I get into or waitlisted at programs that take less than 8 people per genre? ha!


Raysen


Mar 16, 2009, 8:03 PM

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You know the answer already. A lot of applicants can write. The key is whether your aesthetics match up with the aesthetics with the MFA faculty members who read your work. Or it could be just dumb luck. Or it could be that one faculty liked your work so much that she championed it to the others and they kinda relented because they were just sick of her rants. So many factors...so little time...

Did you hear about the grader for the California Bar Exam? She was caught grading bar exam essay questions while riding the public bus.


Khalilah


Mar 17, 2009, 1:15 AM

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I got rejected by programs of every size but yeah, the two to which I got accepted are on the smaller to tiny side of the scale and I have concluded that it really is about appeal to the entire admissions committee -- that either every one (or the majority-whatever they require) can see themselves mentoring your work, or in my case, everyone thinks you are prepared. I think some of the schools could have thought the craft of my work wasn't developed enough for graduate creative work yet, especially the bigger ones, where there's a chance of getting lost in the shuffle.


rivera



Mar 17, 2009, 1:41 AM

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Khalilah-
I think that is a very reasonable possibility and though I hadn't thought of it before, I think that may be the case for a lot of people, including myself.


Raysen-
On the bus? Really? How would one even get caught doing that? It doesn't seem like a place people would be lurking to make sure you're following all of the workplace rules.


fixittuesday



Mar 17, 2009, 12:25 PM

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Rejection from Arizona here, too. This is getting embarrassing. All I have to hold on to at this point is my one waitlist and the dim prospects of hearing from Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida, or U Oregon. All signs point to failure this year. I really thought I was a competitive candidate, but I'm starting to think it was a serious case of big fish/small pond. This has been a very humbling process. Here's to next year?


rivera



Mar 17, 2009, 4:53 PM

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Rejected by Hollins (fiction).

fixittuesday- Good Luck!!!!


symmetrical


Mar 18, 2009, 7:08 PM

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rejected via snail mail by Southern Illinois today, snail mail. That same 8.5x11 flat envelope that others' acceptances and waitlists were mailed in. Kind of deceiving....


MissEsquire



Mar 18, 2009, 8:34 PM

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Rejection from Arizona here, too. This is getting embarrassing. All I have to hold on to at this point is my one waitlist and the dim prospects of hearing from Notre Dame, Alabama, Florida, or U Oregon. All signs point to failure this year. I really thought I was a competitive candidate, but I'm starting to think it was a serious case of big fish/small pond. This has been a very humbling process. Here's to next year?


Hey, if it makes you feel any better, a lot of folks apply multiple times. Not being accepted on your first go-round is not necessarily an indicator of your talent. In fact, it isn't at all. If you polled the people on this board, there'd be quite a few of us who are on our second or third rounds of applications. Even more maddeningly, there are a lot of folks who have had to turn down offers with no funding or offers from places we weren't sure about.

There was this episode of Iron Chef where Mario Battaglia made a remark about the "whimsical caprice" of the judges. That pretty much sums up the MFA admissions process. Most dishes those Iron Chef judges taste are gourmet-quality. But some judges hate the taste of walnuts while others love their rabbit slightly undercooked. When you strip away individual talent and ability and just look at sheer numbers, the application process comes down to luck.

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