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DMiller


Feb 26, 2008, 1:40 PM

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Another Wisconsin rejectee. Feeling the sting, since most of my other schools are supposed to be even tougher to get into.


jayg


Feb 26, 2008, 1:51 PM

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Wisconsin was my first rejection - waiting for 8 more.

Anyone have any good tips on how to deal with the rejections? Like things that work? I know there are the "Keep writing!" and "Don't lose hope!" schools of thought, but I'm looking for something that might make me feel better today.

Considering I sold my condo this weekend, planning that I will be moving to whatever program I get into, I am freaking out a little bit that no one has called and asked me to come.


DMiller


Feb 26, 2008, 1:53 PM

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Well, I'm going to wait a few weeks for the dust to settle, and if I really don't get in anywhere (a viable possibility), I'm going to write an award-winning novel driven almost entirely by spite and revenge.




ejdifili
Emily

Feb 26, 2008, 2:02 PM

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In terms of dealing with rejections...

I am starting to contemplate Plan B.

That is, when I applied to schools in November and December, I fully expected acceptances from multiple universities. I had won first place in a prestigious writing contest, I had participated in the 2007 Iowa Summer Writers' Workshop. I had finished my undergrad Magna Cum Laude at a top-ten U.S. university, and I hold an MA in literature.

Nonetheless, things aren't looking too great for me right now. Not that I have given up ALL hope, but I recognize the real possibility that I may have to reapply next year.

So, it's making me feel better to work on some concrete plans, goals and strategies for the coming months. Hopefully, these plans will help me feel less crushed if/when I realize that I have no MFA options for fall 2008.


Raignn



Feb 26, 2008, 2:16 PM

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I'll admit, I'm the kind of person that always has a plan B. I had a plan B worked out before I even started my first application.

Don't get into school, my husband and I are moving to Champaign, IL for a year to bum around with our best friends who live there. We both telecommute, which certainly made it easier to determine plan B, as really we could move anywhere we want, we'll still have jobs.

Having a plan B is a great way to deal with rejection. It gives you something to fall back on and plan for.

Take heart! As bad as rejection can be, it won't kill you!


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Adam
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Feb 26, 2008, 2:27 PM

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I'm in an interesting situation applying to Fiction MFA's. I have a BFA in Playwriting from a no name school. Most of my background is in scriptwriting. My GRE english scores were a measly 510, but my math scores were 760? Go figure. I have a solid 3.7 GPA, but I'm worried that my background in writing dramatically might come across strangely in my fiction writing sample. Who knows.


chelbeewrites


Feb 26, 2008, 2:28 PM

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I agree. I haven't heard from any of my six schools yet so I have been coming up with a plan B, C, and D. I keep going between applying for Low Res plans to moving somewhere a little cheaper than Chicago and investing the money I was going to spend on writing workshops and conferences, while I work on my novel. It changes by the hour.... minute... second.

I just want to KNOW!


mccrary

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Feb 26, 2008, 2:32 PM

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so Alabama was my first rejection.
I took it as reasonably as anyone should
i had three bowls of icecream and a shot of vodka (i'm a lightweight drinker, it did the trick)
then my husband and i burned the letter on the back porch and spit on the ashes, with all the immaturity of the 21 year-olds that we are.
things didn't seem so bad after that.

its not even the getting rejected that sucks as bad as having to tell my professors, recommendation letter writers, that, no, i actually suck, despite what they originally thought, and all those letters weren't worth the thank you notes and homemade brownies i gave in return.

and then there's the competitive writers in my class that will gloat at my failure, though they themselves are waiting a year or two years or indefinitely to apply.

i guess there shouldn't be any shame in trying something, but in my overly-sensitive mind, there is.


forthedogs


Feb 26, 2008, 2:45 PM

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did anyone else get the email from wisconsin (after the status turned to refusal on the grad apply site) that was all, 'don't call us. we'll let you know if you're missing something. we hope to have an answer soon and we know this is a crazy time for neurotic writers.'? it was a nice gesture. but i was, you know, already rejected! heh. also, i didn't ever call them. the email made me sound like, stop calling us already, dude!

well, the list gets smaller. i can't wait till this is over.


(This post was edited by JWhelan on Feb 26, 2008, 2:47 PM)


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Adam
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Feb 26, 2008, 2:49 PM

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I was refused, and Yes, I received the email too. Salt in the wound, right? I did call the program yesterday, but only because everyone had been receiving refusals on their completed applications, and mine said I was missing materials. The woman I spoke with said that she would have called too.


forthedogs


Feb 26, 2008, 2:52 PM

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totally, i would have called if it said i was missing something.


candygirl


Feb 26, 2008, 2:52 PM

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My guess is that everyone got that pugnacious e-mail from Wisconsin. And my first thought was "They made a mistake, I am actually IN!".. I know - sad and pathetic... I almost hate them... I am shackled I cannot check my U of Oregon status, Minnesota page has "no messages" and "your application is sent to the Program", Michigan just shows me my application number... And I am soooooo not gettting into Brown even without checking the webpage... When I see the end of this torturing trail?


SaraBellum


Feb 26, 2008, 2:59 PM

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Just FYI....last year I was rejected by Oregon, but my application status still said something like "pending" in the late summer...they don't update that thing, so it's not worth checking. You'll get a letter sometime in March, if this year is anything like last year.


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candygirl


Feb 26, 2008, 3:05 PM

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They are lucky I cannot cuss in English as good as they deserve... LOL:)))


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Adam
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Feb 26, 2008, 3:08 PM

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Where you from Candygirl? If you don't mind me asking, What's your native language?


candygirl


Feb 26, 2008, 3:13 PM

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My country is at war and silence is gold at this point:(
PS When we both get in Brown I will tell you and the rest during our "welcome visit". So - wait a little:))))


Lyz
Lyz
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Feb 26, 2008, 3:15 PM

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Okay. Listen up people.

I got rejected from Iowa THREE times (number four could be coming up soon). And I am only 25.

All three times it was the only school I applied to.

But, here is what I did every time. Sobbed like a baby. Moped. Drank some wine. And the next week, I took a shower, wrote down some goals and got at it again. I made a list of books comprised of recommendations from writers I know, classic stand bys, and old favorites I hadn't read yet. I read each one, taking it apart, letter by letter, and tried to channel what I liked about the books in my own writing. Someone recommended I actually type out chapters, to help me really parse out good writing. I basically, taught myself.

After the last round of rejection I bounced back and completed a novel, and four short stories and several essays. Most of the essays have been published. I still decided that I wanted the MFA so I applied again, but because I decided I am tired of rejection getting in the way of my goals, in addition to Iowa, I applied to several other places. I am already in at two and waiting to hear from the rest. I wish I could tell you that I now have a book published and I am an award winning author. I'm not. But the other night, as I sat working on a second draft of my novel, it occured to me that I was acutally going to make this work. It is going to happen.

So, if I get rejected again from Iowa, I will sob again. But I have other options and this writing thing is going to work out. If not, I guess I can always be a reality show contestant...

But seriously, don't mope before you have to. Don't assume rejection before you have to and don't stop writing.

El Fin.


http://shopoftheheart.blogspot.com


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Adam
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Feb 26, 2008, 3:17 PM

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Alright. And should brown fail, there's still Jack daniel's.


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Adam
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Feb 26, 2008, 3:39 PM

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I read one of your essays. You're a fantastic writer.


Zash
Zachary Ash

Feb 26, 2008, 5:07 PM

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Am I in limbo? I've checked Gradapply, for Wisconsin, and it says:

Your application is complete. A summary of all materials is below.
Would like to view/modify your additional information?


gcsumfa


Feb 26, 2008, 5:10 PM

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I know many of you all don't want to hear this right now, but rejection from an MFA program isn't personal, nor is it really an indication of your talent, ability, and potential. Many of the top programs have ridiculously low acceptance rates and reject future published writers all the time. If one generated a list of MFA rejects from Iowa (for example) who eventually landed in another program and embarked on a successful career, the list would be endless.

Think of it this way--even if you're accepted to Iowa or Cornell, you will still be faced with rejection for most of your writing life. For example, the academic job market is horrible, and schools reject published authors all the time (like, people with 2 books and a terminal degree). Are these people bad writers? Not really, they're just competing for a job that hundreds of other highly qualified people applied for—for one spot. The writing and academic life requires that one spend large chunks of his or her life waiting on other people (who are fickle, btw), deciding on their future—grad admissions, publications, tenure, fellowships, etc. It never ends. The only thing you can do is keep writing. Eventually, if you keep writing, good things will happen for you. Best of luck to everyone, and remember—it’s sill very early.


wildflowerfever


Feb 26, 2008, 8:07 PM

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This negative attitude towards instructors/adjuncts perplexes me--for while there may be the incompetent crowd out there, for the most part, I find that there are a lot of brilliant/decent people being fucked over by the crappy job market.


I apologize if that's how you understood my comment.

Really, it just struck me as a little scary that other graduate students were helping with the selection process, though on second thought, I guess it makes sense.


roxygib


Feb 26, 2008, 8:42 PM

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Just a thought on dealing with rejection: I was universally rejected last year, and something that has helped me both as a writer and a rejectee is a discovery I've made in my time off from academia, that being that the literary world is often wider than the MFA applicant's views of them. What I mean by that is that the only thing an MFA rejection is holding you back from doing is getting an MFA. Its not stopping you from learning and growing as a writer, meeting new people and editors that share your vision, publishing your work, or even getting a fulfilling job writing stories or essays you love and are proud of. It could even be argued that one no longer needs an MFA to teach creative writing at a college level, as most of the time an outstanding publication history is what schools are really looking for.

Now, don't get me wrong, it is extremely crappy to put months of effort and hundreds of dollars into an application process only to be left with the feeling of absolute worthlessness as a writer. But for me, aside from the ego-blow, I'm really glad I'm not in an MFA program right now, b/c rejection has forced me to open up my eyes to all the creative possibilities surrounding me that I had never noticed before.


ecletters


Feb 26, 2008, 10:30 PM

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Yes, the 2nd year TWF's do read and write a little paragraph about each application that comes in. They do first and second reads, so everyone goes through two students. But Sam Chang reads EVERY manuscript that comes in. She , along with the rest of the faculty are amazing. They are very invested in the students who make up the classes here.

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I know for a fact that grad students read submssions at Iowa, too. Although, I'm sure they're not allowed to make final decisions or anything. I don't really know exactly what their part is in the process other than screening the thousand-plus writing samples that Iowa receives.

I can't say that it really bothers me that much though. In fact, grad students probably have more time, energy and compassion for carefully reading applicants' work than does the Pulitzer Prize-winning faculty up there.



dorchester


Feb 26, 2008, 11:43 PM

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As someone who was a TWF at Iowa, I can tell you a little bit about the process.

First of all, you need to understand that Iowa gets at least twice the amount of incoming applications of any other program (I just read on another thread that they received 920 fiction applications this year alone), which would make it impossible for all of the faculty to read every single application with the type of close care and attention it deserves. Even if the faculty did nothing else for three months, that would be around 30 writing samples a day every day--or, to put it more simply, over 1000 pages of applicant writing every day for three months.

Instead, they employ the assistance of six second-year fiction students, who are chosen based on their professional accomplishments to date (usually significant publications or awards), their reputations as teachers, and the faculty's sense of them as responsible readers. And just to ease your mind, some of the people who were TWFs when I was there are now faculty members in well-respected MFA programs themselves.

In the interest of respecting Iowa's privacy, I won't divulge the nuts and bolts of the process, but I can assure you that all applications get read by Lan Samantha Chang, the director, and the only applications that don't get passed on to other faculty members are ones that are so clearly below average that there's no question that this person wouldn't be admitted (I'm talking about writing that has major grammatical problems or isn't in the least bit coherent). And in case you're worried about subjectivity, Lan Samantha Chang and at least two, and usually three, of the second-year students have to all be in complete agreement about this in order for this to happen. Any other application (by which I mean the majority of them) that shows some promise will be passed on to another faculty reader.

I just wanted to dispel the notion that solid applications aren't be read by all of the faculty. Anything that is even halfway decent is. I hope this eases some people's anxieties.


(This post was edited by dorchester on Feb 27, 2008, 12:04 AM)

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