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bennyprof


Jul 25, 2007, 12:37 AM

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Maybe I'm missing something about UMass, but I don't know how you could possibly rank their program on par with Virginia's. Virginia fully funds and provides a stipend; and their fiction faculty (Beattie, Eisenberg, Tilgham) seems vastly superior to that of UMass (Bachelder, Holland, Murray), at least as far as professional accomplishment goes. But of course well-known writers don't always make the best teachers...



Yeah, like I said... don't know much about the program. That funding sounds extremely nice.

As far as faculty goes, I'm only remotely familiar with the various programs' professors -- and their respective bodies of work -- at this point in my search. Any thoughts/opinions would be welcome in this regard.

Thanks!
Benny


bennyprof


Jul 25, 2007, 2:40 PM

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Hmmm... seems like the MFA forum's a bit inactive this time of year... I'm assuming it'll pick up within two or three months, when everyone's starting to think about applications, writing samples and whatnot...

It's a bit frustrating for those of us who start early. I could talk about this stuff all day! ;)

Maybe the slow response time is God's way of telling me, "stop posting in P&W, and spend more time on your writing sample, moron!" (He calls me 'moron' a lot. No worries, though... I'm fairly convinced it's a term of endearment.)

-B


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ryan call

Jul 25, 2007, 3:49 PM

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it'll pick up


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GDClark
George David Clark
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Jul 25, 2007, 5:33 PM

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UVA's fellowship money amounts to much more than a simple tuition waiver. Last year I got a little under $1900 a month after tuition was taken out. That with no teaching obligation. In the second year there is no fellowship, but MFAs are paid (about $1200 a month) for teaching workshops in either introductory poetry or fiction writing. It's still more than enough to live on in Charlottesville. Really one of the best packages out there.

Hope that helps clear things up.


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Jul 25, 2007, 7:47 PM

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Thanks, George. That sounds like a lot more than the web site makes it out to be.


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jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Jul 26, 2007, 8:21 AM

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enough to live in c-ville really?
i lived in c-ville when i took my first job for about 6 mos and found rents there to be really really high.
beautiful little place though. i loved the downtown area w/ all the used bookstores.

--jessie


http://jessiecarty.com


GDClark
George David Clark
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Jul 26, 2007, 8:44 AM

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I live in a larger apartment without a roomate about two miles from campus and with a little penny-pinching put over 7k of my stipend in savings last year. Rent can be expensive in Charlottesville, but you can find affordable housing if you're willing to do a little legwork. My girlfriend who just moved here from TN found a sublet in an extremely nice condo where she'll have a private bathroom, bedroom, and balcony, all for $450 a month before utilities. Don't get me wrong, Charlottesville is certainly more expensive than anywhere I've lived before (South Georgia, Little Rock, West Tennessee) but even with an average rent an average rent around $700 or $750 the UVA stipend leaves plenty of money for those bookstores.


jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Jul 26, 2007, 12:51 PM

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glad it is working out for you :)
being currently unemployed and living off my husband's income has taught me more now then when I was 23 and living in c-ville about how to pinch a penny! i think i need you to come and rework my budget cause i am impressed!

good luck w/ your program. i'll be starting back up w/ workshops here shortly for my low rest. good times. good times.

--jessie


http://jessiecarty.com


HopperFu


Jul 26, 2007, 4:58 PM

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put over 7k of my stipend in savings last year....

Wow. Seriously, can you take over handling my family's finances. That's very impressive.


GDClark
George David Clark
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Jul 26, 2007, 5:04 PM

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I'd trade that money for an O'Henry in a heartbeat. Congratulatons again.


HopperFu


Jul 26, 2007, 5:10 PM

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Hah (I actually laughed out loud at that. Pretty funny). Thanks again.


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Dana Davis / Moderator
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Jul 30, 2007, 10:29 AM

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Please remember that this thread is about ranking MFA programs. When the conversation turns to cost of living, etc. please move the discussion to another, more appropriate topic.

Thanks.

Dana Davis
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umass76


Dec 19, 2007, 2:24 AM

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Just wanted folks to know that the 2008 Preliminary P&W Reader Poll is now on-line. The top fifty MFA programs are ranked by vote, and--in a new addition this year (which many, many applicants urgently requested!)--there is a separate ranking just for fiction programs. If you click on the link below it'll take you to the "all-genre" (poetry and fiction) ranking, but there's a link at the top of that page which'll then take you right to the fiction-only rankings, if that's what interests you.

The poetry-only listing isn't ready to go live yet because the "n" figure (number of poll participants) is still too low. Once it rises, I'll put it on-line, along with another poetry-only ranking I think folks will find interesting, credible, and illuminating (it basically takes the idea of mapping out post-graduation outcomes a little further than has previously been done).

Keep in mind that what I'm posting today are only preliminary polls--kinda like pre-season polls--and that they'll almost certainly change significantly over time (though followers of last year's polls/rankings will see that every single poll and ranking done recently seems to [i.e., continues to] indicate a top-ten grouping of programs that are almost literally unmoveable from their perch).

I'll continually be updating both the "all genre" and "fiction only" polls, and sometime tomorrow will try to put a quick-link to both polls on the right-hand sidebar of my blog. I should mention, too, that there's a methodology essay preceding the "all genre" rankings, one which explains what I hope'll already be clear to everybody: this is not data I created, so don't flame me!

All I did was compile what y'all, the readers of P&W, have said about the various MFA programs. Harmless stuff, no need to get worked up over it, argue over it, and so on. It is what it is.

I'm now compiling data for non-fiction programs, too, though the "n" will have to rise substantially for that poll to ever get published on-line.

Anyway, here's the link for everything:

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/...reader-poll-mfa.html

Cheers,
S.


(This post was edited by umass76 on Dec 19, 2007, 2:31 AM)


sonata7


Jan 30, 2008, 9:27 AM

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The Atlantic Monthly's Best of the Best MFA programs list (compiled by Edward J. Delaney) can be found here: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200708/mfa-programs. The top 10 are below:

Boston University
University of California at Irvine
Cornell University
Florida State University
University of Iowa
Johns Hopkins University
University of Michigan
New York University
University of Texas, Michener Center
University of Virginia


captaintodd
Todd Thomas


Jan 30, 2008, 10:26 AM

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I didn't think the Boston University program was even an MFA! Strange list.....


bennyprof


Jan 30, 2008, 4:03 PM

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BU should be replaced w/UMass, I think. And Florida State... dunno, it's gotten a lot of attention lately. I think one of the recent MFA'ers has had just a ton of publishing/award success, which might have had a slight skewing effect. That and the ROB factor. And it's been alleged that a suspicious number of FSU grads get Stegner Fellowships. So, one of the best? Maybe, maybe not. One of the most talked about? Definitely. The others on the list look about right to me.

EDIT: Though, now that I've looked at it again, Brown seems to be another traditionally recognized program that got snubbed. Granted, it's sort of got its own niche... fits in more with the experimental crowd -- Univ. of Colorado-Boulder and the like.


(This post was edited by bennyprof on Jan 31, 2008, 3:10 PM)


umass76


Feb 6, 2008, 2:48 PM

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Hi all,

Just wanted to mention that, at long last, the 2008 P&W Poll has lost its "preliminary" status and has now been updated with the tons of new information that's come over the transom over the past month.

I'm still working on updating the fiction rankings, but that should be done shortly. Also--and this is exciting (to me at least)--the poetry rankings should be going live in the next few days. Needless to say, as with the P&W Poll, and as with the fiction rankings, the poetry rankings are the first of their kind ever done (and I will continue to gather data until the "n" is as high as possible for all polls).

The Poll is here:

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/...reader-poll-mfa.html

Enjoy!

Seth


mummylicker


Feb 13, 2008, 10:13 AM

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Thanks, Seth! I can't wait to see the poetry results.


umass76


Feb 14, 2008, 10:33 PM

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Hi all,

The preliminary (i.e., low "N") poetry poll is live now (and also available on the right-hand sidebar at The Suburban Ecstasies):

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/...r-poll-mfa_4840.html

[A teaser: Iowa is not currently #1].

S.


Daaaaave


Feb 15, 2008, 9:29 AM

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Seth-

maybe this isn't the place to ask the question, but do you know of any good rankings for nonfiction MFA's? I realize that they aren't nearly as big as fiction or poetry, but the few people (like me) who are applying would be interested in seeing some data.


umass76


Feb 15, 2008, 9:10 PM

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Hi Dave,

Unfortunately, there just isn't enough data. And it doesn't look like there will be anytime soon. The next ranking to come out, and shortly at that, will be Creative Writing PhD. Programs.

Best,
Seth


umass76


Feb 17, 2008, 9:04 PM

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And here they are:

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/...reader-poll-mfa.html

You asked for it, you got it--a poll of applicants to Creative Writing PhD. programs. The "N" is still fairly low (24), and the data covers the application seasons of 2004 through 2007, but I think most will agree that the final product pretty closes matches the public buzz about what's what and which programs fit where (that said, I certainly have some personal disagreements with some of these rankings--but hey, I'm just the compiler of the data, so my thinking doesn't really enter into the equation).

Best,
Seth


(This post was edited by umass76 on Feb 17, 2008, 9:04 PM)


BLUECHEESE


Feb 17, 2008, 9:40 PM

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Iím applying to an MFA right now, but what I find interesting here, is how limited the range of PhD applications is.

When I think of the best Creative Writing Ph.D.s (in poetry, at least) I think of places like Buffalo, Berkeley and Stanford (and I'm sure there a others). While there isnít a creative dissertation involved, they are programs that have strong opportunities for people looking to study and write in the veins 20th and 21st century poetics, and they are programs who look to acquire poets (who are academically capable) . Why donít schools like these make anyoneís lists?


umass76


Mar 3, 2008, 12:07 AM

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Phew! Just did a massive update of this year's comprehensive (bi-genre), fiction-only, and poetry-only polling. Check it out if you're curious to see which schools have moved. The comprehensive poll in particular has some very interesting new entrants to the top forty. (On the website, the polls are listed in the right-hand sidebar).

http://www.sethabramson.blogspot.com/

-- Seth


spamela


Mar 3, 2008, 9:48 AM

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You answered your own question: because they don't offer creative dissertation, so they aren't Creative Writing PhD programs. I think a lot of us going into CW PhD programs feel the same way: we are certainly academically capable of doing an English (or Rhet/Comp or Comp Lit or American Studies etc) PhD, but we don't want to spend that dissertation time writing a research paper. I personally don't want to spend 5-8 years of my life doing work that isn't my passion and true love. I've already done that and I won't again. Thus the CW PhD.

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