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hazelmotes


Nov 21, 2005, 1:56 PM

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So, in Fiction, Iowa asks for two-three short stories or sections of a novel, NOT TO EXCEED 100 PAGES. I think we all know that they're not going to read 100 pages of anything, but I'm wondering if submitting only 26 pages looks a little weak. I have two short stories that I think are really strong, and particularly strong together, and I have a third that I like a lot, but may need some work (it's a pretty new story) With all three stories together, I'll have about 40 pages. Does anyone have any ideas if I should submit two or threee?


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Nov 21, 2005, 2:24 PM

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When you are working on a story, do you happen to note in one of the corners of the first page (in smaller type, maybe) which draft it is? That might be a good habit to get into, so you can tell at a glance which is the latest version.

And if that information happens to slip through to the Iowa people, indicating that one of the stories is new and unrevised, they could get an idea of what your latest work is like and where you're going in your development as a writer.

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mingram
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Nov 23, 2005, 4:16 PM

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Hey -- I'm at Iowa now. I submitted two stories, both of which were roughly 20-25 pages in length. I'd say a couple stories is fine. I think the 100-page thing is just to be inclusive of people who either write long, or maybe want to submit a novel chunk, but I don't think you should feel any compulsion to fill it.


hazelmotes


Nov 23, 2005, 4:23 PM

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Oh, definately not, but I'm at about 25 pages TOTAL, which I think might look a little weak!


mingram
Mike Ingram

Nov 23, 2005, 4:33 PM

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Maybe not. I mean, if you write shorter stories, you write shorter stories (and more power to you -- every time I set out to write something shorter, it still manages to grow until even getting it in under 25 pages becomes a challenge).

And there's probably something to be said for brevity when the first readers (selected 2nd year students) are reading so many application packets. I really think it's quality that's important, rather than quantity.


hazelmotes


Nov 23, 2005, 6:31 PM

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I think I'm going to submit 3 stories (I'll still be under 40 p) with the short ones first. That way, if they don't want to read the third, they can skip it, right?


hazelmotes


Dec 5, 2005, 10:06 PM

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Well, my writing group tells me that the third story is much better than I think it is, so I think I'll do a brief revision and then submit it. I don't know. I just want to be DONE with this application process!


cymbeline


Jan 16, 2006, 3:16 PM

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MFA students read the application packets first? I had no idea. How many poets get into Iowa each year?


davidjoseph


Mar 15, 2006, 2:29 PM

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I was accepted to Iowa's fiction department, and I had a few general questions for anyone familiar with the program:

1- What is the academic coarseload like, beyond the workshops? How many courses per semester? How easy is it to get into the literature courses you want.

2- I was offered a TA-ship in literature, (1/3 time, or one class) and I was wondering if anyone had a sense of what expectations are put on TA's.

3- How competitive is second-year funding?

4- Iowa City - what are the cool neighborhoods?

Any advice is greatly appreciated.


mingram
Mike Ingram

Mar 15, 2006, 4:52 PM

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I was accepted to Iowa's fiction department, and I had a few general questions for anyone familiar with the program:

1- What is the academic coarseload like, beyond the workshops? How many courses per semester? How easy is it to get into the literature courses you want.

2- I was offered a TA-ship in literature, (1/3 time, or one class) and I was wondering if anyone had a sense of what expectations are put on TA's.

3- How competitive is second-year funding?

4- Iowa City - what are the cool neighborhoods?

Any advice is greatly appreciated.


1. Pretty minimal. You need 12 hours a semester. Workshop (once a week) counts for six. The workshop also offers seminars taught by perm. and visiting faculty -- each seminar meets once a week and is 3 credit hours. You can also opt to take any class above the 100 level, which means mid- to upper-level undergrad or grad classes, and excludes such things as racquetball or beginning piano. Seminars are the easiest route, since they're basically once-a-week discussion groups, there are no grades and attendance is optional. The emphasis here is on your writing; everything else is kind of considered window dressing. You can take more academic classes if you want, but you don't have to.

2. I've taught rhetoric and creative writing, but I think lit is similar. You'll design your own syllabus, run the class, be responsible for grading, just like any other teacher. If you're teaching one class a semester, that probably means 3 hours a week in the classroom and maybe an hour of office hours, but that's just an estimate.

3. You'll at least get the funding in your second year that you had going in (the program acts like that's not guaranteed, but it is). And you'll likely be able to teach at least one section of creative writing. The only competitive aspect is that a handful of people (4, I think) are picked to be teaching-writing fellows, which means you teach creative writing to undergrads, but you get the money for teaching 3 classes while only teaching 2. You also have to read incoming applications for the next year, though, which is a lot of work.

4. There are plenty of good places to live. I think Connie usually sends out a packet with housing info., including people who are giving up their apartments.


franz

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Mar 15, 2006, 7:12 PM

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Hey Mike,
Just wanted to thank you for your service to the forum. If only MFA students from all the major students were as conscientious about answering questions as you were, well, a lot of panicked questions would be answered. Good luck wherever you're headed after Iowa.
Franz


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mingram
Mike Ingram

Mar 16, 2006, 12:14 PM

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Thanks, franz. The forum here was helpful when I was applying to schools, so I certainly don't mind providing information when I have it.


DanRosenberg


Apr 7, 2006, 5:32 PM

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MFA students read the application packets first? I had no idea. How many poets get into Iowa each year?


Hey all,

I'm at Iowa in the poetry program now, and just thought I'd respond here to clear up a little miscommunication--MFA students don't read incoming poetry submissions--on the poetry side, the decision is made entirely by the faculty. And about 20-25 poets are accepted each year, same as on the fiction side.


frontrow3rd2001
-L

Jul 29, 2006, 12:21 AM

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'Ello,

Okay, so, I know this is crazy, stupid, and possibly even "wack," but I was thinking lately that maybe I'd try to get into the MFA at Iowa. However, just so we're all aquainted with the proper background as to my character (who is he, really? What does he need, even desire, on a spiritual level? What's his motivation, and how does that change in the third act?), allow me to do some high-grade exposition;

I am a bad student. Not "bad" like I tried to take hostages in the administration building, but "bad" like I didn't do very well in Statistics, a failure which, to this day, fails to haunt me even in the least. My graduating GPA was sub-stellar, well below the 3.0 needed for legitimate entry into the school (but still good enough to graduate. Woo hoo!). I have won a couple of local writing contests but my work has never been published in any meaningful way, excluding reams of news articles and some things done on the restroom wall at the CostCo (many artists are realizing now that permanant marker is the ultimate medium for scatologically-themed lymrics).

But...BUT...I am fanatically devoted to The Craft (meaning art, not the movie) and have written many, many short stories, none of which are about A. Vampires, B. Ponies, or C. My parents just don't understand me but would if I died. I have also written what I charitably refer to as a book, although the "literary" value of said manuscript is still the subject of much speculation between myself and my framed photograph of Oscar Wilde (everything he says is so critical, for some reason).

I have neither taken the GREs, nor know how to spell them.

So, my question is, do I even have a shot? I know the writing program at Iowa is very, very exclusive, but even so, will anything short of a cholera epidemic that makes cadavers of the best and brightest acheive me entry?

Thanks,

-L of the French Alps


Vivien


Jul 29, 2006, 1:00 PM

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Hi there: I'm at Iowa now, and from what I understand their admissions decisions are based solely on the manuscript. It doesn't matter if you've been published or not, or where you went to school, or whether or not you have fantastic recommendations. I'm not sure about the grade thing, but it probably doesn't matter, unless the university itself has minimum requirements. You could ask about that. Good luck.


kcole7
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Jul 30, 2006, 4:45 PM

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I think UofI has a minimum GPA requirement of 3.2, plus you need the GREs. If your manuscript blows them out of the water, you should be okay with the program, though you might have a problem with the suits in administration.

As for the rest...statistics? What's statistics? ;) Never took it, and never intended to. I personally think one requirement of admission into an MFA program should be a grade of C or lower in any class that involves numbers. And don't knock hostage-takers. Some may be very good writers.

Good luck!


silkfx2004


Jul 31, 2006, 8:03 PM

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Setting aside (momentarily) the generally accepted fact that it's the manuscript that counts...

I got into Iowa (hi Vivien...I'm enjoying the New Yorkers ;) ) with an overall undergrad GPA of 2.47.

However, I had several things to offset that, including the fact that I got a 3.7 in my major (English, which I had been minoring in until my senior year; I made sure I explained this in my application). I also did really well on the GREs (700-something in English).

Nevertheless, I concur that you should focus on turning in the absolute best manuscript you can.


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(This post was edited by silkfx2004 on Jul 31, 2006, 8:04 PM)


frontrow3rd2001
-L

Aug 11, 2006, 4:12 PM

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Okie doke, but....

The manuscript they want, what should I focus on? Should I attempt to be literary, and if so, in what way? What did you guys write about? Did you do the short story thing, or the book thing? I have a book, but it's not extremely "literary." I value being able to tell a story more, and to be completely honest, I'm still a little hazy on what, exactly, constitutes "literary" fiction, as opposed to what I write.

-L


Clench Million
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Aug 11, 2006, 7:11 PM

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The book thing?
Do you mean an extract form a novel?

The obvious answer is to send what you think is your best work. If you think your novel extract and short stories are equally good, I'd go with the short stories. Its probably what you will be doing in workshops and it shows you how you can finish stories.


Vivien


Aug 11, 2006, 10:50 PM

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Oh, I don’t really know what “literary fiction” is, either. Just send them your best work, whatever you're most excited about, whatever you'd most want to read. It doesn't seem very useful to try to guess their aesthetics. I sent a contemporary story, a historical story, and a four-page excerpt. I hadn’t published anything before. I applied to six MFA programs and was accepted by three. Good luck. (And hi to silkfx!)


Stella Jervis


Aug 13, 2006, 5:30 PM

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I have a question about creative writing samples. I have a longer story that's 25 pages double-spaced that I think is perty good. But if I send that story, it's the only thing they would read because of the page-maximum. Do you think it's better to send two or three works so they see more of range of my writing style? I know people say "send your best work," but I guess I'm looking to see what other people sent to Iowa who got in. Did anyone just send in one substantial work, or is the norm to send in more? Thanks!


Vivien


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Iowa lets you submit up to 100 pages, I believe. This may help:

http://www.uiowa.edu/~iww/admissions/more_requirements.htm

If you submit only one story you're sort of putting all your eggs in one basket, so I guess you just want to make sure it's a wonderful basket. In my case I think that it did help me to show a variety of styles (and narratives), because all of my submissions were fundamentally flawed. I submitted two longer stories (about 20 pages each) and a short excerpt.

And yes, I still think you should submit your best work. The trouble with me is that most of the time I can't tell what my best work is.


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Crap...I planned to send a 50-page short story. When did they up the limit?

Now I'm scared. I wonder if I should include a second well-written, but hugely flawed, story.


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Aug 14, 2006, 12:56 PM

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If you send, as your writing sample, something that shows you have nothing to learn, you aren't helping your chances of getting in. They want people whose work can be improved by their program -- people with potential, not people who are already polished.

dmh


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HopperFu


Aug 14, 2006, 3:23 PM

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Crap...I planned to send a 50-page short story. When did they up the limit?

Now I'm scared. I wonder if I should include a second well-written, but hugely flawed, story.


No. The maximum is 100 pages. Read the requirements, however. It may ask for two stories. I can't remember. I sent in a total of about 40 pages when I applied last year.
They aren't looking for quantity so much as quality.


jgarbe

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Aug 18, 2006, 11:15 PM

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I thought Iowa was a fairly canonical school. Then I saw its online hyperfiction magazine and Thomas Swiss's homepage, and I found out there might be some hyperfiction going down over there. Any sense in a hyperfictionist trying to get in? How experimental are things over there now? Room to wiggle?

~Jacob


mares


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so, i was talking to one of my professors about how I want to be part of an MFA program that is more supportive than it is competitive. He told me to strike Iowa off my list, that the program "breeds" competition, because everyone isn't funded equally.

Don't, worry, I know that all MFA programs are competitive. I just worry that if everyone in the program has their eye on some award they could win at the end of the year, it will cause people to treat each other differently, and maybe hinder progress.

Any thoughts?


silkfx2004


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I too remember hearing this (Iowa breeds competition) when I was applying. Such comments seem to come most often from people who haven't been here.

From my perspective (I'm about to enter my last semester *sniff*) I haven't found this to be the case at all. I've received nothing but support and encouragement from my classmates. Any competitiveness has largely been in my own head.

No, everyone's not funded equally. Isn't that the case for most MFA programs though? Sure, I wish I could've gotten one of the non-teaching fellowships, but I didn't; I got TA- and RA-ships instead, which have allowed me to keep some of my savings. Most people at Iowa do get some kind of funding for both years. If someone's bitching because SoAndSo got more money than WhosIt, then they're probably bitching about a lot of other things as well and possibly missing out on what should be a fun and hopefully productive experience.

(DISCLAIMER: I'm quite a bit older than most of my classmates, have been absent from academia for a very long time, don't do a whole lot of social hanging-out, and am largely floating on a cloud of gratitude for simply being here. I know there are other Iowa students, past and present, who post here; maybe one of them will offer a different perspective.)


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HopperFu


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...the program "breeds" competition, because everyone isn't funded equally....

I've heard both about Iowa from people who have been and are there. I think it is a combination of what Silk (above says) about people who whine are people who whine, and a true sense, for a number of writers, that some people are favored above others. A number of past graduates have told me that there is absolutely a sense of some writers being percieved as "annointed." One of those writers also told me how the only writer in their class who didn't get funding was also the most succesful. Competition is good for some people.
Keep in mind, however, that they have a new director, so it is possible that the atmosphere has changed.

If you are in a program where all funding is equal, however, then yes, that would eliminate one possible bone of contention. When you get accepted to a school (or before hand, if you can), the best thing you can do is ask a number of students the pros and cons about the program. They will give you the straight dope. It's good to ask several, though, because not everybody views things the same way, and one person's supportive is another person's competitive.


mingram
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Just to dispel one rumor about Iowa: everyone gets SOME funding. At worst you'll get enough to offset tuition and some expenses; at best, enough to offset tuition and ALL your expenses.

I think the issue is just that there are 50 students per year (between fiction and poetry) and to get funding for all those people, the workshop has to go through various sources. So a small number of people are funded through 2-year endowed fellowships, while others are given teaching assistantships, and others are given various research assistantships (like reading manuscripts for the Iowa Review, or working in an academic office). And these things don't always pay equally.

Where the competitiveness comes in: a small number of 2nd year students are given teaching-writing fellowships, which are decided on by the faculty. But this is more a prestige thing than a money thing; the pay is the same as a TAship, I think (or at least very close). So some people will, because of their nature, be really invested in this process and feel aggrieved when they don't get a TWF and someone else does. But most people, in my experience (and I did not get one) realize it's kind of a silly, arbitrary process, are happy for the people who get them, and move on with their lives.

Sam doesn't seem too keen on the whole TWF thing, so maybe it will eventually go away.


mares


Dec 10, 2006, 10:38 PM

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Thanks for the replies, guys. It makes sense that different students would have different things to say about it. i'm almost sure I want to be in a smaller program. But now that the deadlines are approaching, a little voice in the back of my head is saying, "Are you sure you don't want to apply here? And here?"


HopperFu


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Sam doesn't seem too keen on the whole TWF thing, so maybe it will eventually go away.

Lan Samantha Chang, the director, has said a number of times (in interviews, etc.,) that one of her top priorities is to get equal funding for everybody. That's something that will take time, but if she does that, it would be good for the program.
It's a tall order, though. That's a ton of money.

edited to read: EQUAL funding for everybody...


(This post was edited by HopperFu on Dec 11, 2006, 8:42 AM)


Vivien


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I'm at Iowa now, and I don't find the atmosphere to be poisoned with animosity. It's actually much less competitive than I thought it would be, and I find that people don't talk much about financial aid. From what I understand, the funding situation has gotten better in recent years. Everyone gets some kind of aid now, as Mike said (hi Mike!), but it used to be that the first years had to compete for a small number of second-year fellowships (the Teaching-Writing Fellowships), and if they didn't get one, they were screwed. So I can see how that would have bred a lot of discontent, but I think things have mellowed considerably since then.

This isn't to say that the financial aid isn't distributed unequally here, or that it's not uncomfortable, or that it doesn't seem unjust. I have a very good aid package, and I'm sure that my peers have wondered, when I've turned in a bad story, why I got such a cushy deal -- I've certainly wondered it myself. But again, people don't really talk about it. Sam is actively working to get more financial aid for the program.


hamholio


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Sam is actively working to get more financial aid for the program.


That's good to hear -- I know one of the fears when they appointed her was that she might get railroaded by the burocracy and not stand her ground as well as Frank was able to.

And if she's actively improving things -- so much the better!


Fear&Loathing


Dec 15, 2006, 12:44 AM

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Has anyone noticed the new facelift to the Iowa website? The faculty poses remind me of alternative rock band covers and stills. The poetry faculty picture gives me recurring flashbacks of REM (photos) before Berry departed. Is this the new post-Conroy Iowa Writer's Workshop? Shiny happy people laughing.


silkfx2004


Dec 15, 2006, 5:54 PM

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I was there (okay, I was in the building, and around the corner) when the fiction faculty portrait was taken. I remember hearing that the poetry picture was really nice (it is) and that they wanted to get something similar for the fiction picture (it's not, but it's nice too).

Shiny happy people laughing? Perhaps. I don't spend enough time in Dey House to be able to gauge accurately. Too busy sitting at home surfing the Internet (ahem...writing).


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BorFalk


Dec 20, 2006, 3:29 PM

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Hi, I hope this question hasn't already been asked and I apologize if it has.
The Iowa application asks for previous literature courses taken. Do you think it's a major problem if one has been at of school for say, four years and when they were in school, majored in social sciences and didn't take that many literature courses?

Thanks.


hamholio


Dec 20, 2006, 3:32 PM

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I think you're in trouble -- didn't you know only English majors could apply for MFA programs??!!

Nah -- if your writing sample is strong and you're a good fit for the program, they'll probably let you in. Whether or not they let you teach any literature courses is another thing, though.


hamholio


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Oh, and to anyone thinking of applying to Iowa: Iowa City is rainy, cold and depressing today. Do you really want to apply here? Too bad the deadline for U.C. Irvine is passed; y'all should be chasing sun!


Aubrie


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Hi BorFalk - I'm in the exact same position. When I could, I addressed it in my SOP, and when I couldn't, well... I guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed!


silkfx2004


Dec 22, 2006, 8:57 AM

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Seriously, this needs to be your mantra for Iowa (and any other place, really):

Writing sample. Writing Sample. WRITING SAMPLE.

I'm willing to bet there are folks here who haven't taken a literature class in their entire lives. (Okay, just because I can't think of any off the top of my head doesn't mean they don't exist.)

I took 3 lit classes in college...20 years ago.


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Aubrie


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Hi Silk - about how many pages did you send to iowa - manuscript-wise?


silkfx2004


Dec 22, 2006, 9:27 PM

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I sent approximately 35 pages.


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hamholio


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The Daily Iowan (the U. of I newspaper) published an article today about the house across the street from the Writers' Workshop, and its recent use as an area for writing related activities (It's currently housing four writing fellows, and hosting "salons" to explore the writing and culture of different locales.)

The article dances around the creation of a creative writing undergraduate degree, introducing the house as a good location to "house an undergraduate writing degree" and then dropping the issue until later in the article when it mentions:

"In a creative-writing major or track, "postgraduate fellows would play an integral role, including instruction," Merrill said. Recent grads would be a stepping stone for undergraduates: less harried than M.F.A. candidates busy with theses and not as intimidating as some full faculty members might seem to a first-semester freshman writer."

If this happens, it looks like it will mean more TAships for students in the workshop, and if I'm reading that last quote correctly, an opportunity for students to stick around an extra year or two to continue teaching (much like Cornell.)

I personally disagree with a creative writing undergraduate degree (the idea is a little silly to me) -- but the opportunities it would open up to Workshop students is compelling, and would fix a lot of their funding issues.

Full article here: http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/...collegepublisher.com


Markers54


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augustmaria


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Yeah, what's silly about a creative writing major? I have a BFA in creative writing and, honestly, the advanced workshops at my undergrad were just as demanding as the workshops at IU. I think is was a more writer-friendly environment in general, as well. A tight-knit community of people who genuinely cared about writing. We had Alice James Books on campus for internships, opportunities to TA (as in really being a teacher's assistant) were plenty, we had a Visiting Writers Series that attracted Richard Ford, Lucille Clifton, Nicholson Baker, and the like. I can't praise that program enough. Maybe studying creative writing as an undergrad isn't right for everyone, but it was definitely not silly for me!


hamholio


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I regret making that comment in this thread -- I don't want to discuss it here (in a thread about the University of Iowa, in a forum about grad programs), and it's based entirely on personal opinion and not on any experience or first-hand knowledge that I have.

:-)


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The idea may or may not be silly, but at my school, workshops have seen a big rise in quality just three years after offering creative writing as an undergrad major.


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wiswriter
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Jan 19, 2007, 7:59 AM

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I don't think the idea of studying creative writing as an undergrad is silly. But as someone who's working part-time as a college advisor, my concern is, what's a grad going to do with a creative writing major? The MFA is unmarketable enough, but at least it's not your only degree.


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I don't think the idea of studying creative writing as an undergrad is silly. But as someone who's working part-time as a college advisor, my concern is, what's a grad going to do with a creative writing major? The MFA is unmarketable enough, but at least it's not your only degree.



(from the musical "Avenue Q" - which is sort of a Sesame Street with adult themes)

What do you do with a B.A. in English,
What is my life going to be?
Four years of college and plenty of knowledge,
Have earned me this useless degree.

I can't pay the bills yet,
'Cause I have no skills yet,
The world is a big scary place.

But somehow I can't shake,
The feeling I might make,
A difference,
To the human race.

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I got a job as an editor. My thesis: thirty-nine pages of poetry.


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The majority of schools that I applied to require a combination of literature courses along with the creativie writing workshops. In addition, they offer electives which I plan on filling with more literature courses. If I was applying to MA/PhD programs, I am certain of the area I would have studied. So the way I see it, I will supplement those 18 hours or so with the english coursework, which equates to that of an unofficial MA degree, and at the end of my MFA, I shall evaluate my status and determine whether or not more school is needed to asist me in acquiring a teaching position. If not, Great, but if more is required, then hopefully my literature background will be enough to get me into a PhD program. Yes, I would prefer to teach creative writing over the writers of the Victorian period, but the gap is negligible, and either way, I will be doing what I love.


augustmaria


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http://creativewriting.umf.maine.edu/whatnext.php


ellen362


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I like that poem!


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I'm not sure if that list allays my fears or confirms them.

I'll say here what I tell my students: do what you love. But you've gotta support that if it can't support itself. And your major is a marketing tool - it means more to others than it does to you. I would rather see students take workshops on the side - major in creative writing in their own minds but something more marketable on paper, provided the creative writing courses aren't limited to majors. I just think too many prospective employers are going to view a creative writing major as someone who's going to be dreaming up poems or stories on their clock instead of working. Which of course is true. But you don't have to let on.


augustmaria


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Wow, I guess I'm just surprised to find that attitude in here.

I actually eared a double major, in both Creative Writing and English lit, which required, I think, three extra lit courses and a linguisitics course. CWR majors don't *just* take workshops, just like in many MFA programs you don't *just* take workshops. I've always thought of it more as a well-rounded English major. You're learning how do to something (write) at the same you're learning about something (literature).

Of course, this is all stemming from my overly-sensitive hurt feelings. No one wants to belive that she's utterly unmarketable. But...if being marketable means getting, what a major in computer science while hating myself? Forget it! I'll take being the poem-writing loser. (Even though I'm a fiction writer, thanksverymuch.)


Glinda Bamboo


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Funny, I majored in English instead of creative writing (which I minored in) because I thought English made me more "marketable" than creative writing. I never had any problems landing professional jobs after college, but I wonder if it really made much of a difference. Neither degree really prepares you for a specific career, beyond having good analytical and writing skills, of course.

Informal poll just for my own curiosity's sake: Say you only get into one MFA program -- Iowa -- but you receive no funding. Assuming that everyone gets the in-state tuition (which is, what, $3K a year?) would you do it?


wiswriter
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Majoring or double-majoring in English proper is a different story. English is a more marketable degree now than it was when I was in college 20 years ago; I think students have been focused for so long now on technical and practical skills and "new media" that content has been neglected. A lot of employers see an English major as a communicator who can help buff their image. People have become desperate for good writers. Just not "creative" ones.

Along with advising I have a freelance strategic communication business and I keep my creative credits and MFA sotto voce nowadays when I'm marketing to prospective clients. I suspect I lost at least one in part because the whole fiction thing was perceived as unserious and a distraction.


hamholio


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"Say you only get into one MFA program -- Iowa -- but you receive no funding. Assuming that everyone gets the in-state tuition (which is, what, $3K a year?) would you do it?"

I'd be all in. $6000 for an Iowa MFA?? That's an easy choice.

I've been poking around this web page lately: The Writing University http://at-lamp.its.uiowa.edu/...alwu/index.php/main/ which brings together information on all the various writing programs and activities provided by the University of Iowa.

It has these links to isis showing registration for the workshops this spring:

Fiction: http://isis5.uiowa.edu/...?ddd=08C&ccc=251

Poetry: http://isis5.uiowa.edu/...?ddd=08C&ccc=252

Could be us next year! :-)


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http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/...collegepublisher.com

The paper this morning gives indication that a creative writing undergraduate degree at the University of Iowa could be ready as soon as this fall. This is going to cut their undergrad English by 25%, at least!

This quote's relevant for anyone reading this thread:

"The structure of the course offerings will follow a tiered format, with workshop students teaching the entry-level classes and advanced courses taught by English faculty."

This means more teaching positions, the possibility of better writing students in the CW classrooms (although, much more heartbreak for those that are terrible!) and a slight plus for the resume. For Workshop students, this is a great move on the part of the University.


atrivedi


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I wonder if it's something to do with funding students in the MFA program! :)

I'm U Iowa staff (I work at the U, but not as faculty) and it seems like a) people bend over backwards for Workshop folks and b) Iowa won't offer tuition like other schools do, so they probably want to offer more funding to grad students.

My cent and a half...


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Hugely wishful thinking here, but the powers of the Internet and the random knowledge of strangers never cease to amaze:

I'm trying to remember the name of a book I read about a year ago - perhaps about writing workshops or the writing process - that contained a chapter or introduction in which the author described his/her experiences as an Iowa Workshop student. I remember details about a cold winter and questions about whether the degree was worthwhile, and in retrospect it seems like it might be interesting to re-read now that I'm thinking about doing an MFA. But I can't remember what the book was called or who the author was, where I got it from (the library, most likely), or even if it was a book as opposed to a magazine (I know it definitely wasn't online).

Can anyone think of what book this might be?


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I doubt this is what you are thinking of, but Ann Patchett's book Truth and Beauty starts off with her experiences as an Iowa MFA student. It's a book about writing and her friendship with Lucy Grealey.


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Phillip Levine's _Bread of Time_ (from Michigan's "Poets on Poetry" series) has a good bit of the Iowa expirience in that "My Own John Berryman" chapter.


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renapoo


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Nicholas Delbanco mentioned Iowa in "The Writer's Trade." Can't remember which story(ies) though.


scheherazade


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Minna, I remember looking into that Ann Patchett book in the past -- that could be the one. I'll have to find it at the library and see. Thanks!


blueragtop


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I was just wondering if anyone who has been accepted to Iowa this go round has already committed. Are you guys still going to wait on other schools and see what happens? How long are you going to give it?


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Melos-

I haven't formally accepted yet. I'm still waiting on the rest of my schools, but I don't know if they'll be able to match Iowa's offer. Iowa is my top choice, I'm familiar with the program, I like IC, and my wife has family nearby. So, I guess I really don't know why I haven't accepted yet. How about you?


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Congratulations to those of you accepted to Iowa! Any chance any of you have posted your writing (your application writing sample or even just a blog) online? I'm sure I'm not the only person who would love to get an idea of what Iowa-calibre writing looks like. Thanks in advance!


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I too am waiting to accept formally, though I'm not sure what would beat Iowa's offer. My girlfriend and I are actually going to visit Iowa City in two weeks and I'll probably make a final decision then. She too has family nearby so that's a plus.


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I'm waiting for Iowa to make their decision about funding. Let me know when any of you hears from Connie about financial aid.


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According to the UIOWA website, graduate resident tuition and fees are $7,158 and nonresident tuition and fees are $19,144. Total (books, fees, living expenses) estmated costs for instate are $21,508 resident and $33,494 non-resident.

http://www.uiowa.edu/...ts/liberal-arts.html


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Here's something interesting I found, for those 'networking' debates that pop up in every thread:

Six of the last seven years, Iowa's short fiction book award has gone to a recent Iowa grad. Judging is handled 'through the writers workshop', according to their site. Now, I don't want to come down too hard on either side of the debate, but as far as getting a first book and a teaching job is concerned (sometimes at a top school like Michigan, Ryan Harty!), a school willing to break federal contest laws can be a real boon:


Iowa Short Fiction Award Winners!


While they always pay an outside judge (another great networking gig, if you can get it), this has little impact. Judges are merely handed a stack of about five finalist manuscripts, chosen by Iowa, chock full of Iowa. Then they pick one, and the new winner of this 'prestigious' prize is announced!

So clearly, here's another way attending Iowa unfunded may pay great dividends.






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vronsky


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What one learns from accusations like these is not that the contest system is corrupt. Rather, one learns that writers can be kind of whiny.

Maybe a large percentage of the contestants were Iowa grads. Maybe Iowa grads have simply been better writers in the past six or seven years. Maybe many of the judges have been Iowa grads because there were fewer writing programs out there 20-30 years ago.

In my experience, connections have very little to do with whether one wins a contest. Call me naive.

Maybe Iowa just draws in a lot of decent writers. It is a competitive program, after all.


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I won't call you naive...

...but let's just look at the facts, absent any whining. Six out of seven years, the workshop has awarded its first book prize to its own graduates (and in one case, a current Iowa professor!). Legitimate contests have strict rules in place to avoid this behavior. I just have to ask why, in six years out of the last seven years (not thirty years ago, when there were few writing programs), these Iowa chaps didn't win any of those other first book contests, when they are clearly so talented as to avoid your suspicion.

This contest is a good scam all-around. Grads get their books published. They get good teaching jobs. The school maintains its reputation ('Look at all our grads publishing books!"). Don't believe me, check out their ad copy.

The 'contest system' isn't corrupt. This contest is corrupt.

You want to hear real whining, talk to the only real live workshop grads I know who submitted and lost out to their Iowa peers!


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mingram
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I can't speak for all the Iowa Book Prize winners, but Kevin Moffett's book (one of the two winners last year -- the other was a non-Iowa person) is really fantastic. I have no trouble believing his was the best thing they got. Ditto Thisbe Nissen's book a few years back, which is a really tremendous first collection. Actually, that book was good enough it was subsequently scooped up by a large press as part of a multi-book deal.

I admit the whole thing looks suspicous. And despite having gone to Iowa, I don't feel any great compunction to defend the contest. But I can say, basically, how it works, which is that a couple first-year students read all the entries as part of their funding package, and then pass along a certain number to the guest judge (it's a lot more than 5). My girlfriend was one of those first readers, and the sense I got was that they passed along just about everything that wasn't obviously flawed.

Again, I know the thing looks shady, and maybe it is. Though I think you also have to account for how the contest is publicized, which means the number of entries from Iowa grads and local people is disproportionately high. Really, the only reason I care about this at all is that it makes me sad to think people will possibly discount Kevin's work, or some other winner's, because they'll assume it won on grounds other than merit. When in fact he's a really amazing writer. At the same time his book was in the contest pipeline, incidentally, he was getting stories published in Tin House and McSweeneys, and he also won the Chicago Tribune Nelson Algren Prize, which definitely has no "connection" to Iowa.


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marcelisima


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Hi just a note to everybody--I've started a blog for people attending Iowa this fall... please come by and comment at www.iowamfa.blogspot.com thanks and looking forward to seeing everyone.



redragtop


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I've heard a lot about agents and Iowa. How many agents actually visit the program? Does the program set anything up so they can see your work? I was wondering because this seems to be one of the perks of going to a "big name" program.


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I've heard a lot about agents and Iowa. How many agents actually visit the program? Does the program set anything up so they can see your work? I was wondering because this seems to be one of the perks of going to a "big name" program.

Yes. A lot of agents come to Iowa, at least when I was there some years ago. You get a mixture of big name agents as well as younger, less established agents looking to build a client list.



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In the almost-two years I've been here (graduating in May, God willing) I wouldn't say there have been "a lot" of agents. I do think there were more last year than this year, but even then it's not like the place was overrun with them. I'm thinking less than 5 in a year, maybe? Unless there's some underground agenting going on that I don't know about...

Agents usually come in and talk in a group setting, and then allow you to make individual appointments if you want. This semester will be the first time I've ever made an appointment. I never did it before because I didn't really have much to show, and even now I don't have a whole lot but I think it will be worth it to talk one-on-one.


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Nobody but God gets it right the first time. Everybody else has to rewrite. --attributed to Stephen King


redragtop


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I'm looking at schools for next year and Iowa is my top choice. Everyone mentions the tiered funding for second years, but how many fellowships are there for first years? On the site it mentions the Truman Capote, Iowa Arts, Maytag, etc. For anyone who's gone there, what do these fellowships mean? Which is the "best" one? Who gets them? How many are there?


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I'm looking at schools for next year and Iowa is my top choice. Everyone mentions the tiered funding for second years, but how many fellowships are there for first years? On the site it mentions the Truman Capote, Iowa Arts, Maytag, etc. For anyone who's gone there, what do these fellowships mean? Which is the "best" one? Who gets them? How many are there?



I think that Iowa does pretty well on funding--given the size of the program. I would guess that 6-7 people get funded via fellowships that dont require teaching. Mostly everyone else is funded through some sort of teaching package and is given in-state tuition.

I believe the Maytag and Capote are 1 yr fellowships. The Iowa Arts and Deans Graduate (for under-represented groups) give 2 yrs of funding. In my experience, no one pays attention who got what fellowship in the first year. However, if you get a two yr fellowship, it's nice to not have to re-apply for funding.

I don't think there is any major prestige factor that comes with receiving one of these first year fellowships. It is not always clear how/why these fellowship decisions are made. I think the 2nd year funding process receives A LOT more scrutiny and attention from the student body.


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I think the 2nd year funding process receives A LOT more scrutiny and attention from the student body.


Is the increased scrutiny to second-year funding related to anything? What I've heard is that faculty favorites get the most second-year funding, with the implication that at least some of that favoritism is based on factors unrelated to the quality of student work, e.g. faculty preferring work in a certain stylistic or thematic vein and neglecting work that does not conform.

Now, I'm not saying any of it's true. I have no way of knowing firsthand. I'm only curious as to whether these rumors have an actual basis or are complete BS. Is the anxiety over second-year funding related to competition for publication post-graduation, i.e. being a faculty member's favorite at a program of Iowa's reputation will open doors that other MFA students may not have access to?

Just wondering...


'sup?!


taizhu


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My thoughts? Hmmm

Well understand first that I was lucky enough to get a 2 yr fellowship and therefore did not participate in this process at all. That said, my sense is that the hullabaloo is not related to worries about favoritism or future publication. I think people get nervous because they think they are being ranked and they are stressed about funding.

1. Imagine having to prepare a manuscript for a fellowship competition (however small) during your first year in an MFA program. The truth is that you are usually given AT LEAST the same level funding that you received the first -year, but still people still freak out about it. Also, its not the best way to spend your winter break.

2. Once the decisions are made, some people are bound to be like WTF? By the time the faculty has made the decisions, most people have a sense of who they think writes well and who does not. Sometimes it matches up with who gets the TWIFs, sometimes it does not. Of course, it is all purely subjective.

Personally, I have never felt that the people who got the TWIF's were faculty favorites--they have either been really good writers or really smart. Of course, other people may feel differently than I.

I do think that things would feel less competitive if everyone were just funded at the same level--but given the size of the program, I am not sure this is even possible. Most MFA programs that fund everyone at the same level are tiny.


MissEsquire



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Sorry to draw everyone away from the all-important funding issue, but I have a question about fiction portfolios - both those that are submitted to Iowa and as a general rule - which nobody has really been able to answer so far.

I had a creative writing professor who told my class that young (or beginning) writers often lean toward wanting to write in as many different first-person voices as possible. She implied that this was amateurish. I can understand that being the writing equivalent of Sybil wouldn't allow for much development of a particular style, but what if my two best stories are both written in (differing) first-person? Would this potentially be a strike against me according to those who are reading portfolios?

Have any of the Iowa students or grads out there been portfolio readers before? What are your thoughts on this?


tenderloner
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I never thought of this. Maybe that's why I got rejected from 9 schools. I sent slightly different porfolios everywhere, but the 2 main stories were first person (one of each sex), so perhaps that explains things. Oddly enough, the program I'm going to allowed multiple genres, so while I think I included something third person, and even second person, I think it also resulted in even more first person pieces (not to mention the dreaded photographs that someone made a snarky comment about, but never returned to respond to).

One thing I've noticed again and fretted about is that "The People" like my work, but academics don't seem to...will I fit in at an MFA program? Is the literary establishment limiting voices, due to biases not related to quality? My hope is that we all ultimately find our place and certainly my advisor expresses an excitement about working with me that mitigates all the b.s. I went through to get to this point.


hamlet3145


May 30, 2007, 12:01 AM

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I'd be pretty surprised (shocked even) if one were rejected from an MFA program due to a difference in voice in the two submitted stories. While there are a number of things to worry about in the MFA process, I really don't think this is one of them. =)


mingram
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May 30, 2007, 12:04 AM

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While I can certainly understand the temptation to second- and third- and fourth-guess these things, at the end of the day it all comes down to the quality of the stories. Sure, there are some subjective variables -- one reader prefers Story A, another prefers Story B -- but it's impossible to predict these things, so why waste the energy on crystal-ball work?

For what it's worth, I got into Iowa with a first-person story and a third-person story. The first-person story was told from the perspective of a female Jeopardy contestant, two things I've never been. The third person story was ... actually, I don't remember much about it, except I looked at it later and thought it was embarrasingly awful, and I haven't gone back to it since.


bighark


May 30, 2007, 12:05 AM

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I don't know, MissEsquire. That kind of sounds more like the professor's illogical and/or poorly communicated pet peeve than something you actually need to worry about.

I mean, young/beginning writers have been accused of a lot worse than displaying range and creativity.


tenderloner
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May 30, 2007, 12:26 AM

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True and I misread the post somewhat. You're right about different readers. Some assumed one story was the one I knew best because the character was a biracial woman. Yet the story from a white, male perspective incorporated far more details of my actual life. Readers who know you read your work differently than strangers would and that's certainly effected by what they see and know (or think they know) about you. The good thing about this process is that the writing is standing largely on its own.


__________



May 30, 2007, 10:28 AM

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I had a creative writing professor who told my class that young (or beginning) writers often lean toward wanting to write in as many different first-person voices as possible. She implied that this was amateurish.



Christ. Another thing to worry about. We should start a separate post and make a list.

So far, I've avoided TV plots and dialogue, and I don't write college romances involving horses or that ultimate marital dilemma: rich, good looking Chad, with his perfect wavy hair and somewhat empty personality, or artistic Chet, who you know'd be just perfect if he weren't (gasp!) slightly poor.

And so now there's this? Fie! Fie!

Let's think: what are the other first person choices? The same voice, over and over? That would mean you're writing about the same type of character over and over, or using a toned-down, journalistic voice. Neither seem very appealing.

Trying to think of examples now.... Sam Lipsyte's Venus Drive. Good book, uniform voice...but the characters all seemed like the same guy. George Saunders--superior books, uniform voice...and it works. Most of the time. David Foster Wallace's stories...multiple styles, hugely different voices, and it works. But he's got the whole parallel 'I'm trying to re-invent the story' thing going on. So who knows. Thom Jones? Conversational throughout, but different voices, for sure.

What's wrong with that? Oh God, what's wrong with that!?!?


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ecphraticknolls


May 30, 2007, 10:42 AM

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rich, good looking Chad, with his perfect wavy hair and somewhat empty personality


I hate that guy… with the African country he purchased on a whim. Sitting inside the border with his sweater vest, all like, "Dude, don't go outside of the fence--those people can get a little crazy."


piratelizzy


May 30, 2007, 12:51 PM

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And so now there's this? Fie! Fie!


Yes, yes. Fidel! Fidel! Let's all write about Fidel.

So, I would say that--on my gut feeling--who cares whether you're using first, second or third. I do sense, though, that committees know what they like, and if your work ain't it, you're out of luck. But who can read what's on their minds? Syracuse's "yes" may turn out to be Indiana's "no." I'd say just work at it like crazy and try to shut out the million and one voices with opinions about how you should be writing. Listen only to trusted persons.


'sup?!


MissEsquire



May 30, 2007, 1:28 PM

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Thanks, everyone, for your thoughts. I was pretty sure this professor was just venting, anyway.


Glinda Bamboo


May 30, 2007, 6:57 PM

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Yep, and it sounds like the prof was venting about how beginning writers use the first person poorly. It doesn't matter what POV you're writing in if you're not doing it well. :) So yeah, if your two best stories are in first person, different voices...those are your two best stories. Use those. I think lots of applicants (and here I look down at my feet in shame) end up sending in work that is not their best because they are caught up in thinking things like, "Well, this story is first person, so the other one needs to be third person to show I can do both, even if it isn't as good" or "But this story makes my portfolio's page count work perfectly for EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL, so how can that not be my second story?"

Oh, the shame.


aluminum


Dec 18, 2007, 12:13 AM

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well, reading through this thread certainly scared the hell out of me... but i am still applying to iowa and i actually have a logistical question concerning the application process. perhaps someone who's been through this before can help.

Q: what exactly do i submit on paper/in the mail?

the writing sample,
the statement of purpose,
app. for graduate awards (?),
financial aid form (?),
hard copy of the application that i've downloaded and filled out (?)

Q: what can i submit online?

just the main application form?

thanks in advance!


Zash
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Dec 18, 2007, 12:27 PM

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I believe what Iowa wants sent to the Writer's Workshop itself is (1) personal statement; (2) writing sample; (3) graduate award form; and (4) financial aid form. The letters of rec go there too. I don't think they want a hard copy of the online grad application, which is sent to the grad admissions office. Anyway, this is what I'm doing.


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aluminum


Dec 18, 2007, 1:50 PM

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hey zash,

thanks for answering... that's pretty much what i gathered, but i needed a second opinion!


golic


Dec 18, 2007, 2:29 PM

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Speaking of Iowa, I've been looking up information on some of the writers in my short fiction antholgies--the Vintage one and both of the Scribner ones--trying to figure where they did their MFAs, and I'm serious, well over half of them went to Iowa, and not just the heavey hitters like Raymond Carver, Denis Johnson, Andre Dubus, Stuart Dybek, T.C. Boyle, Michael Cunningham and Richard Baucsch, but also the younger ones in the more recent Scribner anthology, like Julie Orringer, ZZ Packer, A.M. Homes and Kevin Brockmeier. Like I said, I was just curious where they all did their mfas, and it seems like almost all of them went to Iowa. So if anyone on this forum actually went there, can you tell me if it's what they teach you there that makes a difference or whether they just know how to pick good writers. It seems like there's some weird connection between going there and being annointed by the contemporary literary world.


__________



Dec 18, 2007, 2:32 PM

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I don't know if there's really an answer to that one, but do pay attention to who edits those anthologies. Another interesting question is: how many of the anthologized have an MFA, period?


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golic


Dec 18, 2007, 2:50 PM

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Junior Maas,

Yeah, at first, I thought it might have had something to do with the editors, but none of the editors (Tobias Wolff, Michael Martone, Lex Williford and Rosellen Brown) for any of the three antholgies went to Iowa or taught there. Plus, the writers I mentioned are all pretty famous anyway. I guess I was just wondering whether the writers they pick are coming in with a lot of talent or whether they actually have some type of special teaching approach that seems to work.

As for who had MFAs, quite a number did in both anthologies, though the programs represented were broad (from the University of Arizona to Columbia) and no program had anywhere close to as many writers as Iowa did. The ratio was like 10 to 1.

I don't know if there's an answer either. I was just curious to hear from people who might have gone there. Iowa is currently my number one choice, but I'm also trying to be realistic about my chances of getting in.


bennyprof


Dec 18, 2007, 3:24 PM

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Iowa gets about 600 fiction application per year, allowing them to be a lot more choosy than most other programs. So there are a lot of extremely talented, driven people there to begin with.

Add to that the experience of attending the Writers' Workshop: a highly competitive atmosphere, tons of big-name visiting authors, individual attention from a pulitzer prize-winning faculty, etc. If that environment won't inspire you to create the best work you possibly can, nothing will.


golic


Dec 18, 2007, 3:56 PM

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bennyprof,

Thanks! I didn't realize they got that many applications. Wow! I guess it makes sense, though.


taizhu


Dec 18, 2007, 7:21 PM

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Iowa gets closer to 750 apps per year and has its pick of great writers. I graduated from there recently and can attest to the fact that being among so many talented writers makes you want to do your best (if it doesn't shatter your confidence first).

Also note that Iowa is larger than most MFA programs, so it has a lot of graduates. Just another reason why there are a lot of Iowa writers out there.


dorchester


Dec 19, 2007, 3:24 PM

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I agree with taizhu. I also went to Iowa and can tell you that the talent level there is extraordinary. There were certain people you knew would become literary stars (and they have), but almost everyone was at least writing publishable work. In my class alone, I only know of a few people who haven't published books yet, and I'm confident that most of them eventually will. I don't think it really has anything to do with connections, either. The writers they choose are just very, very good.


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Dec 19, 2007, 3:57 PM

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Only a few out of 25? Or fifty? Seriously?

The handful of people I've met from Iowa (well, OK, 'met' online) were always trying to impress upon you how difficult it is to get a book published, even if you did go to Iowa. Not that they don't get the best students, or anything, but who are these huge literary stars?


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dorchester


Dec 19, 2007, 4:55 PM

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JM, That's out of 25 (for fiction). I don't have an exact number, but I can think of at least 15 or 16 off the top of my head, and I know I'm forgetting a few. But the people you've "met" online are right. Going to Iowa isn't a guarantee of anything, and it's not like everyone gets published right away. It just seems that sooner or later it happens for most people who go there. That's all I was trying to say (in response to golic’s question)


bedefan


Dec 21, 2007, 11:19 AM

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Hey all. Wondering if anybody has had experience with this one.

I'm applying to Iowa for their translation MFA (which is in the comp. lit. dept., not in the IWW). According to Iowa Grad Admissions, you can only apply to one department at a time. Now, I happen to have a poetry writing sample I've already put together for some other schools, and some extra recommendations, and a personal statement that could be easily modified... So I'm thinking, why not apply to the IWW for poetry as well?

I'm wondering if anybody around here every applied to the IWW and to another of Iowa's MFA's not housed in the IWW (translation, nonfic., playwriting), and am wondering how they did it. Right now I'm considering just sending the IWW my poetry sample, my rec.'s, a personal statement, some transcripts, the other forms, and just seeing what happens. (But no fee or grad. app because Grad Admissions told me they only accept one app., one fee per person--no simultaneous applications on their watch, I guess).

Is this worth a shot? Or am I just wasting my time?


taizhu


Dec 21, 2007, 11:47 AM

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I know that it is possible to do two of the Iowa MFA programs at one time, as I know someone who did both fiction and playwriting. But I don't know how they set it up (applied to both upfront or after they started the MFA).

I'm not sure slipping in your app would work--it might. The workshop is pretty disconnected from the grad school and I know people who were accepted without having taken the GRE, but who knows? Maybe you can ask the staff at the IWW?


bedefan


Dec 21, 2007, 5:23 PM

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Hm, yeah, I wasn't thinking of doing two programs at once, but just of applying in both. I know someone who's doing playwriting and nonfiction right now, but I believe he applied to nonfic after his first or second year in playwriting and then just started doing both upon getting accepted to nonfic. The problem I'm running into is of applying to both simultaneously.

I think I probably will try out my plan. Why not? At this point it won't cost me anything but some time. If I get in (ha!) I'll let people know it worked.


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Dec 21, 2007, 7:58 PM

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Wow, Bedefan? Like the Ecclesiastical History of the UK Bede?

That's hardcore.


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bedefan


Dec 21, 2007, 8:39 PM

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The one and only. I was in a late antiquity grad program for a while.


vmoore


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Dec 23, 2007, 12:08 AM

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Hi, I'm applying to MFA programs in fiction.

I know this probably seems like a dumb question, but...

Does anybody know if Iowa prefers the writing sample be paper clipped or stapled?

I went with paper clips for Irvine and Cornell, and then read here that they both prefer staples! I know it doesn't reeeallly matter...but...does anybody happen to know what Iowa prefers?


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phillywriter


Dec 23, 2007, 12:29 AM

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I went with staples for my Iowa writing sample, and all the others for that matter


BishopPeale


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Hi,

I have a really stupid question as well. I know that if you re-apply to Iowa the year after getting rejected, you don't have to pay the fee again (I think?). Anyway, if this is true, then do I just send in my stuff to the IWW? Or do I have to actually re-apply and everything again? I thought that they saved all the stuff from last year, but I'm not sure. Obviously I should probably just send them an e-mail, but I figured everyone was home for the holidays, and plus obviously I haven't exactly gotten everything together in a timely fashion. Has anyone re-applied to Iowa and can help me out?

Thanks..

BP


BLUECHEESE


Dec 26, 2007, 9:36 AM

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You have to contact the grad school and have them move your application term up.


BishopPeale


Dec 26, 2007, 8:26 PM

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Awesomely quick reply. Thanks a bunch.

BP


ellen362


Dec 28, 2007, 12:05 AM

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A word of advice about saving that $60- it might be false economy. If you're just reusing the same application and submitting new work each year, your other stuff might look stale. I didn't get in until I re-wrote my application to reflect the additional coursework I'd done. Depends if you've done more you want to have taken note of.

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BLUECHEESE


Dec 28, 2007, 8:59 AM

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My own application reflects how much I got from spending time in rural Wisconsin (there are no colleges 'round here)

My writing sample and statement of purpose are so much better than they were last year--but if I don't get in this year, I'm going to try again next year... no big deal.

Though, I'm not just applying to iowa, so I hope I'll be somewhere "good" next year. I really want to get going with this MFA thing.


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DMiller


Dec 29, 2007, 9:14 PM

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Though I know it's late in the game, I just wanted a clarification on the app materials:

So according to the website, the financial aid form is only necessary for international students. But there's no such caveat for the supplement to the financial aid form.

Does this mean, as an American, I don't need to submit the financial aid form but only the supplement? That's my interpretation, but I just wanted to make sure, because it seems kind of weird.

Thanks.


Zash
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Dec 30, 2007, 12:03 PM

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Send both.


Lyz
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Jan 11, 2008, 10:59 AM

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So here is a question. The web site for the IWW admissions requirements said to send "two or three short stories or a section of a novel" not exceeding 100 pages.

So I sent a 30 page section of my novel.

Then, I recently I got an email from the IWW asking me to send in another story. Saying that they needed another piece for me to be considered for admission. I wrote back saying I could send something no problem (gulp), but I was confused about the requirements.

I just got a response back saying "send us your best work."

Now, I know it was clear it was a section of a novel (I wrote it on the cover sheet, in my admissions essay, and on the front page of the writing sample). Did I do something wrong? Did anyone else have this experience?


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bennyprof


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From what I've heard about sending novel excerpts, you want to send a chapter/section that feels self-contained. Meaning it could just as easily stand alone as a short story. I think they want to find out how well you can develop your characters from start to finish and whether you can end something well.


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Lyz
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Jan 11, 2008, 11:27 AM

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Yeah, but if my writing sample didn't show them what they wanted, wouldn't they just reject me rather than have me send more (its not like their struggling for applicants). So you think they were giving me another chance or they were really interested in seeing if I could finish something well?

Clearly I am overthinking this and very paranoid.


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bennyprof


Jan 11, 2008, 11:29 AM

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Yes, I would say it's a good sign. They wouldn't have even bothered unless you'd made it out of the slush pile. Good luck!


Lyz
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Jan 11, 2008, 11:31 AM

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Thanks for lying to me:)

Just kidding. Thanks for the ease of mind.


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monarca


Jan 11, 2008, 4:22 PM

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I think it's a good sign and that they probably think you're worth the "trouble."

Also a good sign because it shows that they are being thorough. I think it shows that they take every application seriously. Even if you don't make it, I think you should feel glad that they respected you and your writing enough to give you as much a chance as anyone else. (Does that make sense?)


Lyz
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Jan 11, 2008, 4:26 PM

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Thanks so much for your insight. And I think you are right, what ever happens, at least they gave me a fair shot.


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Zash
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Jan 11, 2008, 6:19 PM

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Does this mean Iowa has already begun reading and sifting through the writing samples?


bennyprof


Jan 11, 2008, 7:47 PM

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With 1200+ apps per year, it seems likely they'd start the process pretty early.


monarca


Jan 14, 2008, 11:28 AM

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It does.
Still seems scary that's it's actually happening, though.

Not that I'm spending way too much time thinking about it or anything.


bennyprof


Jan 14, 2008, 4:26 PM

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Sent the last of my apps off today, so I'm right there with you. Nothing left but the waiting.

I'll be extremely busy for the next few months, which should help the time go by quicker. I'm not all that nervous yet. More relieved to have the applications behind me. I'm sure the nerves will start firing toward the end of the acceptance period, though. You know, when I still haven't gotten a single 'yes,' and there's only one or two programs left to hear from? That'll be fun. Looking forward to that.


phillywriter


Jan 14, 2008, 8:27 PM

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Like a lot of you, it seems, Iowa is my first choice. Any idea when they let people know? Also, do they call you or just send a letter? I realize it's probably pointless to even worry about these things, but now that my apps are in, what else is there to do?


bennyprof


Jan 14, 2008, 9:06 PM

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Seth Abramson's site has a section with previous years' response times and types of notification:

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/...ng-mfa-rankings.html

It looks like in the past Iowa has called their choices.

-B


Yugao


Jan 14, 2008, 11:37 PM

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I got a form letter from Iowa today thanking me for my application. Even though I knew it would be something like that, I was still scared to open it, in case I had been rejected in record time.


piratelizzy


Jan 15, 2008, 12:07 AM

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Here is last year's "Are We There Yet?" blog, documenting acceptances and rejections beginning 1/27/07. Note that Iowa started notifying in February.

http://mfaincreativewriting.blogspot.com/...we-there-yet_17.html

Good luck, everyone.


mattvswild


Jan 15, 2008, 11:05 AM

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Thanks for the "Are We There Yet" link. Though, to be honest, I think definitively knowing when people started hearing last time around only gives me calendar dates to circle... I'm sure that won't be unhealthy or anything come February... =)


monarca


Jan 15, 2008, 11:20 AM

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Fabulous.

Now I can start freaking out on a specific day!

Love it. It looks like my top choices tend to notify in February. I could know in a month! That is SO frightening.


tuesday


Jan 15, 2008, 1:16 PM

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OR really exciting!!!

good thoughts,
tuesday


silkfx2004


Jan 15, 2008, 3:40 PM

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I don't know if this information will help or hurt, but...

Iowa calls the people it REALLY wants to grab into their program, and they usually call in February.

The rest of us get letters. I got mine in early March.

When I found out that some had been called and some had been sent letters, I was upset...for about five seconds. Then I got over it. An acceptance is an acceptance is an acceptance.

Good luck to you all...


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monarca


Jan 15, 2008, 4:11 PM

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Thanks. That's a comfort, too.

(Also, thanks for the happy thoughts, Tuesday. It's a much better coping strategy!)


Lynn Costes


Jan 25, 2008, 4:35 PM

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Quick question for those of you applying to Iowa in Fiction: Did you use the entire 100-page max for your writing sample? Just curious . . .


monarca


Jan 25, 2008, 4:43 PM

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Nope, I didn't send 100 pages.

Edited: I guess it would be more helpful to tell you how many I did submit! A 20-page and a 10-page, abouts.


(This post was edited by monarca on Jan 28, 2008, 12:07 PM)


Yugao


Jan 25, 2008, 5:32 PM

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I sent a 21-page story and 12-page story. I have over 150 novel pages, but they haven't been revised much. I'm still focusing on forward momentum with the novel. I did describe the novel I'm working on in one paragraph of my statement though, and that might have been a dumb thing to do.


Zash
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Jan 25, 2008, 7:57 PM

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A fifteen page story and a nine page story.


Scrat1


Jan 27, 2008, 8:16 PM

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A fifteen page story and a nine page story.


I'm about the same. I had around 23-25 pages I believe that I sent everywhere, even the places requiring 30 pages (Indiana). I got pretty fed up with the process.


kiwikid


Jan 28, 2008, 3:29 PM

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Hi all. This waiting is driving me crazy! I submitted a 29 page excerpt of a novella and an 11 page short story.


Lyz
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Feb 1, 2008, 3:24 PM

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No, I did not. 30 page novel excerpt and a 8 page short story.


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Daaaaave


Feb 1, 2008, 8:15 PM

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Hey-

Is anyone here waiting to hear from the Iowa nonfiction program? I know it's separate from fiction and poetry, but us nonfiction writers need support groups too!


danceanielle
Dani

Feb 2, 2008, 9:23 AM

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I applied for nonfiction at Iowa as well!
And I agree we need more of a presence. There is plenty of information out there on the Workshop, not as much about the nonfiction program. Any more nonfiction applicants, or current candidates?


sonata7


Feb 10, 2008, 8:23 PM

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I dually applied for the NWP and the Writers' Workshop.

Best of luck, everyone!


Amyr738


Feb 16, 2008, 12:17 AM

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So....Iowa NWP sent out some (maybe all?) acceptances today. Congratulations to the select few who are ecstatic right now. Is anyone else really bummed? I am. Is all hope lost?


danceanielle
Dani

Feb 16, 2008, 9:46 AM

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I'm trying not to be too bummed about not getting a nonfiction acceptance yet...from what I know, the emails were sent out Friday evening, and were somewhat individualized. I am sure no one stayed in the office late Friday night to get them all out.
It's the hope that is getting me through the weekend, at least. Iowa was one of only four schools I applied to, and by far my top choice.
Hang in there!


sonata7


Feb 16, 2008, 1:26 PM

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Yeah, I didn't get an email, so I'm pretty much assuming rejection. But big congrats to those who got in!! Nonfiction isn't my primary genre, so I'm not too upset; but rejection always sucks.


martis


Feb 16, 2008, 1:35 PM

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Hang in there guys. Iowa is also my top choice by far. I applied for poetry, but am now starting to think I should have applied for fiction since I just published my first short story. Does anyone else get that sickening feeling in their stomach when they open their mailbox? I actually look forward to Sundays since I don't have to worry if I'm going to get rejected from Iowa that day . . . Pretty sad, no?


blarring


Feb 16, 2008, 1:39 PM

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martis,
Congratulations on your story getting published. Which magazine, if I may ask?


Thanks,



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eoc


Feb 16, 2008, 2:17 PM

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did iowa just send out nonfiction acceptances, or acceptances for every genre?

my pulse is starting to quicken in anticipation of grave disappointment.


blarring


Feb 16, 2008, 2:20 PM

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Just nonfiction. It is a separate department from the fiction/poetry. I figure f/p acceptance notifications will begin next week.



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BLUECHEESE


Feb 16, 2008, 5:12 PM

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Yeah, I don't think the poetry/fiction letters have gone out yet, and there is still a chance to be waitlisted for creative non-fiction.

Keep the heads held high, but not so high that they drop down low when you DO get rejected. I mean, come on, this is Iowa we are talking about here.


annie0


Feb 17, 2008, 1:38 PM

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I'm new here, but so glad we have this forum. I wish I'd known about it during the application process!

I would love to hear the thoughts of anyone currently in (or recently graduated from) the Nonfiction program at Iowa. Most of the anecdotal info I've gathered here tends to be about the IWW, and I get the feeling the two programs are pretty distinct from each other.

Any insights into the atmosphere there would be wholly appreciated, especially regarding encouragement/competitiveness, support between the students, rumors of favoritism. I'm really interested to know what sort of place it is to spent three intense working years.

Thanks in advance!


spamela


Feb 18, 2008, 1:58 PM

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Hi Annie, first let me say: I'm not a student in the Iowa NF program. BUT, I know Robin Hemley from Vermont College and he is a fantastic teacher, mentor and writer. I'm also an Iowa City native. It's a great town. Very cheap and easy to live there. I know plenty of writers who've become "stuck" there, deciding to stay and work quietly on their writing after graduating from the workshop. Good luck to you!


Lyz
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Feb 18, 2008, 2:20 PM

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One of my bosses graduated from the Workshop. He said it was one of the toughest and best experiences he's ever had. He said the first day of class they had been assigned to workshop his story. During class, one of the students picked of a copy of the story and threw it down on the table and said, "I don't know how this person even got in here."

But he also said it challenged him and he would do it all over again. I also live in the area and I just love it. Its great affordable and really attracts a lot of writers who come through and give readings at Prairie Lights. Iowa is completely underrated. Except now, when, there is too much snow.


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dorchester


Feb 18, 2008, 3:44 PM

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I agree. Iowa City is probably the best city in the United States to live as a writer. Tons of big name writers come through there all the time, and the reading series at Prairie Lights is second to none. Add to that all the current and past workshop students living in town, and you have a truly amazing community. It's the only place I've ever lived where I actually felt that being a writer was not only a respectable career choice, but an admirable one.


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alw


Feb 18, 2008, 6:08 PM

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So someone just posted an acceptance to Iowa for Fiction today via phone on Godfrey's blog. I'm definitely worried about not receiving a call


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Feb 18, 2008, 6:48 PM

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Sorry, where is Godfrey's blog?


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Zash
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Feb 18, 2008, 6:55 PM

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The link is posted on the Waiting Game thread.


pareidolia


Feb 18, 2008, 7:46 PM

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Here is his blog

http://writingmfa2008.blogspot.com/


martis


Feb 18, 2008, 9:04 PM

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Oh Jeez. What about for Poetry? Any news? This is making me nervous. I know it's next to impossible to get into Iowa, but my second choice school is such a distant second and my thrid choice school is such a distant third . . . I know that none of this is rational, of course . . .


monarca


Feb 19, 2008, 9:45 AM

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Yep, I'm worried too. But they do have a number of calls to make. And one anonymous comment makes me skeptical.

Today was already going to to be a bad day at work. I don't want to worry about Iowa on top of it!


ecletters


Feb 19, 2008, 2:11 PM

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Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to let people know that I have added a section on the Iowa 2009 blog for people to ask questions of current students, most likely first years, and most likely me. So...the page is www.iowamfa.blogspot.com. Good luck to everyone out there and congratulations to those admitted.

Best,
K

In Reply To
So someone just posted an acceptance to Iowa for Fiction today via phone on Godfrey's blog. I'm definitely worried about not receiving a call



pensive
Adam
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Feb 19, 2008, 2:19 PM

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So are you saying that all those admitted have been notified already? Just curious.


ecletters


Feb 19, 2008, 2:28 PM

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Sorry to confuse. I have no idea when they will start notifying people. Apparently one person has already heard. I do know that they make calls and send letters and that it takes a couple of days. It was just a general congratulations to those who will be admitted (to iowa and anywhere else), and an offer to answer questions.
K


(This post was edited by ecletters on Feb 19, 2008, 2:29 PM)


silkfx2004


Feb 19, 2008, 6:03 PM

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If things go as they've normally gone, some people should start getting phone calls this week or (more likely) next. Others will start getting letters next week or at the start of March.

Yes, Iowa City is a great place to live and write, but right now the amount of snow and ice here is INSANE. I'm about to shuffle home (because of the ice, it's a shuffle) and attempt to dig my car out of a snowdrift.


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spamela


Feb 20, 2008, 10:21 AM

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Might I suggest taking a shuffle on down to Active Endeavors and buying some Yak Trax? I seriously think they saved my life this winter.


Lynn Costes


Feb 20, 2008, 12:22 PM

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Is there a difference between getting a phone call and a letter from Iowa? I haven't received either; I'm just curious.


bighark


Feb 20, 2008, 12:36 PM

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Not really--both methods of contact result in admission to Iowa.

***

Iowa has a new director, so its admissions procedures might be changing. In the past, calls went out first and letters came out a few days after.

I surmise that the calls went out to especially competitive candidates to whom some sort of assistantship was going to be offered.

The letters went out to everybody else.

Also, if Iowa doesn't have an official waitlist, one could reasonably expect to see letters trickling out as candidates respond with their decisions to decline admission in favor of a spot at another school.

This is just conjecture, though. I don't attend Iowa or work for them. Also, as stated above, there's a new director and it's entirely possible that the process has changed.


marcelisima


Feb 20, 2008, 2:57 PM

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Hi there,

I'm in the fiction program at Iowa right now, and my application packet had two stories--one twelve pages and one thirteen pages. So maybe 25 pages tops. It was a very slim package.

I also did not have a high undergrad gpa 2.83 overall, and 3.5 in English...but I did have an MA in English with a 3.75 gpa (don't know if that offset or what). I suspect they don't care much about grades.

Hope that helps,

Marcela


Lynn Costes


Feb 20, 2008, 5:26 PM

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Thanks guys. This is helpful!


kdolenz


Feb 21, 2008, 10:19 PM

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Okay, so Iowa is my top choice, but it looks like it might take a while to hear anything definite, expecially if I end up on a waitlist. In the meantime, I've been accepted into one of the schools that was basically in the middle of my top 12 list. They've offered me a TAship, and I don't think I'd be unhappy to go there--it's just that it's not Iowa, and from what everyone says, if you get into Iowa, you have to go. So here's my question . . . what do I tell the school that has already accepted me? I know they want an answer asap, but I'd really like to at least find out whether Iowa accepts me or not before I give them an answer. I don't care as much about the other places where I applied, but I know I'd be depressed if I found out in March that I had been accepted at Iowa after I'd already committed myself to another school.

So, can I stall them? And, if so, how long can you stall them before they start to get pissed off?


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Feb 21, 2008, 10:56 PM

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What's the school you were accepted to?


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Feb 21, 2008, 11:12 PM

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If Iowa doesn't accept you this year, there's no law that says you couldn't head for School B and secretly apply next year. They might even keep your reference letters on file so there's minimum creepiness involved.


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popeye


Feb 22, 2008, 12:23 AM

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You do not need to give them a response until April 15th. That date was agreed upon by all the programs, and although they will push you for an answer sooner you are not required to commit. Just tell them that you are waiting to make a decision until you have heard from other places. People do this all the time and they won't retract their offer.


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Feb 22, 2008, 1:10 AM

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This is not true for all programs actually. Some programs do not fall under this rule. New School and Sarah Lawrence for instance don't fall under this rule. What's the program?


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Feb 22, 2008, 1:25 AM

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I would imagine that Kdolenz is not eager to reveal the name of the program, given that it might be a very small one, and it may not be very difficult for someone from that program, either student or faculty, to figure out who he/she is. I'd say, better keep the name of the program under wraps. Better that they don't think you're the student who is really pining after Iowa/planning a defection to Iowa, etc.


kdolenz


Feb 22, 2008, 11:32 AM

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popeye,

thanks. I had no idea about the April 15 date. That's good to know. And yes, sorry to be so secretive about the school. I just have no idea who might be reading these messageboards . . .

thanks everyone for all of your help!


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popeye,

thanks. I had no idea about the April 15 date. That's good to know. And yes, sorry to be so secretive about the school. I just have no idea who might be reading these messageboards . . .

thanks everyone for all of your help!

Like I said, there's a list of schools that this date pertains to. Not all schools fall under this rule.


lynnhs


Feb 23, 2008, 2:08 PM

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for those of you who have gotten in has your status on isis changed? mine
is still in progress but it now says on one of the pages that registration has not been authorized by advisor (this is a change from previously and im desperate for anything at this point)...does this mean anything? does anyone else have this? why is this so painful?


golic


Feb 23, 2008, 2:08 PM

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For those not following the "Waiting Game" thread: Iowa has accepted one person by phone for fiction and several by phone for nonfiction. There's also a great link to a post about this person who applied to 23 schools and didn't hear from some until late April - wasn't even told she was on the wait list. So those of us applying to Iowa should assume that until we hear something from them directly, there's still hope. Hang in there everyone!


phillywriter


Feb 23, 2008, 2:28 PM

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golic,

Thanks for your post. I feel better already!


Taryn_S


Feb 23, 2008, 3:07 PM

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Just in at Iowa for Poetry!!!! Call from James Galvin. Talk of TAship. Freaking A!


martis


Feb 23, 2008, 3:58 PM

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In Reply To
Just in at Iowa for Poetry!!!! Call from James Galvin. Talk of TAship. Freaking A!

Taryn,

Congratultions!! Even though Iowa is my number one choice, and I'm kind of freaking out myself (for different reasons), I mean that sincerely. That's a serious accomplishment. Getting into the top program in the country with a TAship to boot. You should be opening the champagne!


jeleri


Feb 23, 2008, 5:10 PM

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Congrats!

And to lynnhs, I haven't heard anything from Iowa, but mine also says this about the advisor. And yes, it is a change. I bet it's just system wide torture. But let's keep hoping...


kdolenz


Feb 23, 2008, 9:41 PM

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Congrats, Taryn_S!


ecletters


Feb 23, 2008, 9:42 PM

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I don't know if I'm help or hurting, but the isis change might be system wide. I'm a current student and mine says the same. It refers to Summer course registration.


kdolenz


Feb 24, 2008, 2:14 PM

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who the visiting writers at Iowa will be next year? I guess I should wait to hear if I get in before I start worrying about such things, but I'd still be interested to know.


ecletters


Feb 24, 2008, 2:48 PM

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As with anything at the workshop its only a rumor until confirmed. So far the only name I've heard repeatedly is Charlie D'Ambrosio who might be here the whole year. Last year the admit letters mentioned who the guests were going to be in the Fall.


martis


Feb 25, 2008, 2:22 PM

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Looks like at least two poets have gotten phone call acceptences to Iowa. Have any other poets out there heard anything from them?


BLUECHEESE


Feb 25, 2008, 2:41 PM

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I haven't. sadly. But I won't count myself out until the rejection letter is in hand.


Caroline W.


Feb 25, 2008, 2:58 PM

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hi everyone. i'm new here, but lovin' this messageboard (can't believe it took me so long to find it!)

so, i'm a senior in college right now, graduating (hopefully!) in may, and only applied to one program, iowa, for poetry. my plan was actually to wait a year and then apply to like twenty schools or something, but i figured i might as well apply to iowa now, and on the outside chance they took me i'd obviously go. kind of like buying a lottery ticket. but now i'm starting to wonder if this was a stupid plan. if i get rejected this year with a writing sample that's inferior to what i'll have next year, will it hurt me that i applied before? has anyone had this experience?

for the record, i'm not rejected yet, but i'm not holding my breath either...

peace, and good luck to all of you!


monarca


Feb 25, 2008, 3:12 PM

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From what I understand, I don't think it'll hurt you. If you apply with a new and improved writing sample, that's the only thing that the decision will be based on. I haven't had your experience, but I've spent a lot of time on these boards and other blogs and that would be my guess.


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Feb 25, 2008, 3:56 PM

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If they even remember the failed application (if it fails), they'll look at the new one and be impressed by how much progress you've made. (Of course, if you haven't made any progress, it won't help.)


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Caroline W.


Feb 25, 2008, 4:21 PM

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thank you both. this is helpful. it's weird, after i sent off my aplication i pretty much put it out of my mind. i told myself "don't think about it" but now that people are starting to find out that they got in i can't STOP thinking about it. here's hoping you all get into iowa or wherever else you applied. goodluck!!!!!


kdolenz


Feb 26, 2008, 12:14 AM

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So in addition to checking the threads in the speakeasy compulsively every five minutes and losing hope with every new post about a phone call from James Galvin, I've been trying to find out everything I can about the Iowa program, which makes me all the more desperate to get in there and all the more convinced I won't. So today I was checking out the Iowa Wikipedia page-and I know, I know, Wikipedia is not the most reliable source on the web, etc, etc, but I still like it and find it "mostly" reliable, and plus it's a good distraction--so I'm checking it out, and I mean, I knew that a lot of famous poets went to Iowa and stuff, but man, it was like the friggin' contemporary canon. So here's just a few of the ones I wrote down to send to my friend (who's in the same boat): Robert Bly, Rita Dove, Donald Justice, Mark Strand, James Tate, Philip Levine, Galway Kinnell, Jorie Graham, Charles Wright, W.D. Snodgrass, Stephen Dobyns, Robert Dana, Norman Dubie, Marvin Bell, Thomas Lux, etc, etc, etc . . . ridiculous, right? Just thought I'd share, since this discovery made me on the one hand kind of excited, and on the other hand kind of freaked out. Is it bad luck for me to be doing this type of thing? Vaguely masochistic? I don't know. There's not much else to do, and not much else I've been thinking about, except the one other school I've heard from, which has forunately accepted me.

Ok, time to go sleep. Think I've done enough stressing out for today. Hope all of your MFA dreams come true, folks.


martis


Feb 26, 2008, 12:27 AM

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Kdolenz,

thanks for the info. i had no idea mark strand there, but i guess that makes sense. i've been doing the same type of compulsive research on the palces I've applied, so I know where you're coming from. sometimes the stuff you find out is kind of humbling, especially when you're talking about a place like iowa. I don't know if it's healthy, but it's probably no worse than lurking around here, which is basically all i do lately. hope you can sleep. i'll probably be up another few hours checking the messageboards.


golic


Feb 26, 2008, 1:12 AM

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I'm starting to wonder about the one reported phone call from Iowa for fiction. Why only one??? I realize not everyone who gets in reports it, but if they presumably call everyone at once, wouldn't more people have reported it? Anyone else wondering the same thing as me?


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monarca


Feb 26, 2008, 9:09 AM

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Haven't there been a few (between here, Seth's blog and Godfrey's)? I know, on Seth's blog, there were three (Fiona, am, and hmm...) and I think there's been one or twon on this board.

Iowa is the only I'm holding out hope for even with other acceptances going out. They take their time and call some people and others just get a letter in the mail. I'm freaked out, though. So far I've only got one rejection, from Cornell. I feel like that doesn't give me any idea of what my other applications will turn out like. SO many great people get rejected by Cornell... but then again, so do lots of mediocre or bad writers. What will Iowa think? I have no idea!

Come on, Iowa! Call me! I know you have my number!


riddlefish


Feb 26, 2008, 9:47 AM

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I'm in the same boat. I wish I had a better idea of where I stand so I can be more realistic about my expectations. Even if I were waitlisted at Iowa, at least I'd know I have somewhat of a chance with some of my other schools...

I immediately threw away my Cornell rejection letter; I suppose I could have been more creative. Perhaps I'll put my future rejection letters to better use. What did everyone else do with theirs?


phillywriter


Feb 26, 2008, 10:06 AM

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Yeah, yeah, until I get or see something official, I'm going to assume I'm still in the running. This whole process is wacky. The more I read, the more that becoes evident. But yeah, Iowa is probably the only one I really care about. Any other rejection will be disappointing, but a rejection from Iowa will hurt.


monarca


Feb 26, 2008, 10:43 AM

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Did anyone else see on Seth's blog that there are 920 applicants to Iowa this year, in fiction alone?

WOW.

Surprisingly, that makes me feel ok. I'm already scared and nervous, but it might make a rejection go down a bit easier knowing that there are 896 other writers (minus, I suppose, the waitlist) feeling that same sting.


phillywriter


Feb 26, 2008, 9:07 PM

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920 for fiction alone!?! Boy, that's scary. I guess the only positive is that it won't sting so bad if/when I get rejected.


golic


Feb 26, 2008, 9:18 PM

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monarca,

Where did you see that number? I looked everywhere on Seth's blog, but couldn't find it.


ecletters


Feb 26, 2008, 10:24 PM

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For anyone who is interested, I'll confirm for you the 920 number, I was at the reading when Ethan Canin said it. I don't know if this helps but I applied to Iowa, Michigan, Calif Coll of Arts, UVA, Columbia and Brown. I only got in to Iowa and CCA.


martis


Feb 27, 2008, 12:07 AM

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You're kidding. 920 Fiction applications! Anyone know the numbers for poetry?


monarca


Feb 27, 2008, 9:09 AM

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Golic, he made a comment way down on the string of comments on the accpetance entry (in response to someone else). The text of it is:
"Seth Abramson said...
Hi Kristin,

You're in luck(!)--this website has the largest compilation of application-number data that (I'm pretty sure) there is. Almost fifty schools, including most of the top fifty programs, are listed. It's on the right-hand sidebar, at the top, where it says "acceptance rates." In the table for acceptance rates is the data for numbers of applications per school (the most recent data I could find, and in many cases the only data I was able to find anywhere). Keep in mind these numbers do fluctuate from year to year; for instance, NYU has gone as low at 650 and as high as 900 in just a four-year span, and Iowa had 920 in fiction this year, an increase of 170 over just last year (when they got 750).

To everyone else,

I'm so happy for all of you who've received good news, and am pulling for all those still waiting(!) Best wishes and good luck to all,

Seth"


Taryn_S


Feb 27, 2008, 4:52 PM

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When I spoke with James Galvin about my poetry acceptance @ Iowa, he quoted me a # between 500-600 for poetry apps if I remember correctly.


eek311


Feb 28, 2008, 12:03 AM

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i'm in for poetry. was called on the phone last sunday 2.24. still hoping to hear from brown, but that sounds like a pipe dream at this point. in any case, iowa's a great program and it sounds like i'll be well funded.


abardaglio


Feb 28, 2008, 5:11 PM

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hi all,

for any nonfiction iowa applicants out there who weren't emailed on the 15th (i'm in this boat)--i called to check about a missing transcript (little late on that game i guess) and they said letters are going out in the next week or so.


danceanielle
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Feb 28, 2008, 6:18 PM

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abardagalio- does this mean there are more nonfiction acceptances on the way via postal mail, or that the letters will all be denials?


abardaglio


Feb 28, 2008, 6:25 PM

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wish i could tell you! i didn't push the question.

good luck


danceanielle
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Feb 28, 2008, 6:26 PM

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Either way, you have given me a beautiful little sliver of hope, so thanks!


martis


Feb 29, 2008, 3:21 PM

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Any new poetry accepatances or rejections from Iowa reported?


monarca


Feb 29, 2008, 4:47 PM

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Anyone gotten accepted by postal mail, yet? Or just with phone calls? (At this point I'm holding out hope to be one of the ones notified by mail. I haven't heard a word.)


vmoore


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Feb 29, 2008, 5:27 PM

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Unable to stand the suspense any longer and tired of checking my mailbox, I called Iowa this morning to ask when fiction acceptance letters were going out. I told the woman on the phone that I knew some folks had gotten acceptances over the phone already, and asked whether everyone accepted is supposed to get a call. She was nice, but she kind of cut me off gently and said that the people who got called were called because they were missing something, like a transcript or rec, etc. So then I was like, "No, no, these people said they got IN," and she kind of stumbled a bit and repeated her point: "Well, yes, but also they were probably missing something." Then I said, "So...just because I didn't get a call yet, I shouldn't assume that I didn't get in?" And she said that's right, and that the letters would go out Mon or Tues. Sounded rather like damage control to me, but I can understand why. She was very cordial and I appreciated her taking the time to answer my question anyway; I'm sure they're completely swamped over there. So...I guess that means the rest of us uncalled folks should hopefully get something in the mail by the end of next week? (Note: I only asked about acceptance letters, not rejections, so I don't know whether those will also be mailed on Mon or Tues. Although I kind of wonder...maybe acceptance letters already went out this week--though no one seems to have reported as such on the Speakeasy or the blogs--and what's actually going out on Mon or Tues are the rejections? Who knows...) Here's to holding on to the last shreds of hope! :O


Vivian E. Moore


bunnytutu


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dunnkc


Feb 29, 2008, 9:23 PM

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I applied, and I have not been asked to do this. So maybe it does mean something. What does the form look like? Is it different than the financial aid application form?


dunnkc


Feb 29, 2008, 9:25 PM

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Also, I did my FAFSA kind of last minute, so that may have something to do with it.


bunnytutu


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vmoore


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Feb 29, 2008, 9:34 PM

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curious, how'd they notify you about having to fill in that financial aid verification form? (email? mail? phone? and when?)


Vivian E. Moore


bunnytutu


Feb 29, 2008, 9:46 PM

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vmoore


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Feb 29, 2008, 9:58 PM

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of course i'm worried, but that's not your fault! ;p good luck in any case!


Vivian E. Moore


Taryn_S


Mar 1, 2008, 2:45 AM

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I was accepted @ IWW last weekend with talk of a TAship and I didn't receive any financial aid postcard (though I did fill out the FAFSA).


bunnytutu


Mar 1, 2008, 3:15 AM

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thank you. good to know. also, congratulations!


ejdifili
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Mar 1, 2008, 10:50 AM

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Is the "FAFSA" that multi-page financial aid packet that asks about teaching experience, etc.?


kiwikid


Mar 1, 2008, 12:12 PM

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If you need to take out loans or schools need to see if you're eligible for workstudy, you fill out the FAFSA (it's a federal evaluation).
http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/
It's the beginning of a pile of debt, essentially, especially if you move to New York!


monarca


Mar 1, 2008, 2:11 PM

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Awesome, vmoore! I'm glad you called and passed on that information. I'll start freaking out on about Wednesday, then. I hope they do send rejection letters at the same time. The worst is the waiting! Good luck, everyone!


Lynn Costes


Mar 1, 2008, 4:59 PM

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Thanks everyone. All this information is good to know. Still praying for Iowa about 24/7...I truly hope at least some of us get in!


Caroline W.


Mar 1, 2008, 5:08 PM

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maybe everyone already knows this, but a friend of mine who knows someone who went to iowa told me that iowa offers fellowships to some of the 2nd yr. students so they can write during the year after they graduate, basically a full year of funding with no other responsibilities. do you guys know about this? sounds pretty darn sweet. i wonder if it's just for fiction writer or if they give $ to the poets too. any info???


ecletters


Mar 1, 2008, 6:37 PM

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Hi Caroline, I'm not sure exactly how many third year fellowships there are, but I do know they award them to both poets and fiction writers.

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maybe everyone already knows this, but a friend of mine who knows someone who went to iowa told me that iowa offers fellowships to some of the 2nd yr. students so they can write during the year after they graduate, basically a full year of funding with no other responsibilities. do you guys know about this? sounds pretty darn sweet. i wonder if it's just for fiction writer or if they give $ to the poets too. any info???



dorchester


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Hi Caroline, I'm not sure exactly how many third year fellowships there are, but I do know they award them to both poets and fiction writers.

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maybe everyone already knows this, but a friend of mine who knows someone who went to iowa told me that iowa offers fellowships to some of the 2nd yr. students so they can write during the year after they graduate, basically a full year of funding with no other responsibilities. do you guys know about this? sounds pretty darn sweet. i wonder if it's just for fiction writer or if they give $ to the poets too. any info???



That's correct. These are fellowships set up by James Michener. Around 8 go out to Iowa students graduating that year (to be used solely to write during the year after they graduate). The fellowships provide full funding for an entire year, assuming you don't live somewhere that's prohibitively expensive like New York City. In addition, around 10 more Michener fellowships are given to students who have graduated within the past ten years. I knew a few people who got these a few years out, and I know they really appreciated having the opportunityto fully immerse themselves in their work again. This is just another nice aspect of the Iowa program, something that people don't often realize.


(This post was edited by dorchester on Mar 1, 2008, 8:46 PM)


Caroline W.


Mar 1, 2008, 7:51 PM

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dorchester & ecletters, thank u for that. that's very cool they do that, though all it does is make me even more desperate to get in. james galvin, please call!


(This post was edited by Caroline W. on Mar 1, 2008, 7:57 PM)


martis


Mar 2, 2008, 11:17 AM

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Wow, just read this. Had no idea Iowa gave post-grad fellowships. Do you have to stay in Iowa City?


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RaoulDuke
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Mar 2, 2008, 2:37 PM

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Just to be sure then regarding ISIS "Advisor" change: we all experienced this? I surely did, but took it as a good sign. Also, just noticed that my phone number on ISIS is incorrect. Perhaps an additional tiny glimmer of hope? Good luck to everyone in their endeavors!
Out of curiosity, anyone apply to SIUC or Northern Michigan for fiction? Those two are the only viable options left for me.


Thanks,
Richard


Lyz
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Mar 2, 2008, 5:00 PM

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I don't want to quash your hope, but that ISIS notification was a universal change.


http://shopoftheheart.blogspot.com


dorchester


Mar 2, 2008, 7:52 PM

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Wow, just read this. Had no idea Iowa gave post-grad fellowships. Do you have to stay in Iowa City?


martis,

No, you can live anywhere you want. You get the money in monthly installments over the course of the year.


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americanwild


Mar 4, 2008, 11:26 AM

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I was accepted @ Iowa on Feb. 24th via telephone for poetry. They awarded me a fellowship, but I haven't received any follow-up regarding financial aid or anything for that matter (though I have been away on spring break since Friday). Its actually kind of scary because I cant read and reread a phone call; I wish I had physical proof.


Lyz
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And I am officially REJECTED.

Best of luck to everyone else!


http://shopoftheheart.blogspot.com


martis


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i'm sorry to hear that, Liz, but I hope you take some comfort in the ridculous number of applications. i mean, we're talking lottery ticket odds with iowa. that's how i'm trying to look at it at least.

anyone else hear anything?


danceanielle
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Mar 6, 2008, 10:10 AM

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Just rejected via Isis, for nonfiction. They must have just changed the status this morning. Oh well!


pensive
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Mar 6, 2008, 10:26 AM

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Mine's still In Progress. Guess they're still entering data.


theotherlily


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I don't know- if you're Pensive from the Blogs that are Endlessly Refreshed, then you applied in Playwriting, like me. Which is under Theatre Arts, not creative writing. Mine's in progress too, so, eh. Who knows.

Not to hold out false hope, but I don't want to spend the rest of my day refreshing Isis too.


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Mar 6, 2008, 10:43 AM

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Actually, I probably should have applied for playwriting...I applied for Fiction. My undergrad is in playwriting; I'm keeping up on the playwriting activity for a buddy of mine from the program who applied to 6 schools in said genre. I decided that by doing fiction it gave me more versatily...more options. After having written plays for 4 years, I felt constrained by dialogue. Started writing prose again and ended up re-falling in love with it. I can always write plays...always cross genres. I'm happy with the choice. How goes the playwriting wait?


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theotherlily


Mar 6, 2008, 10:51 AM

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Ah, never mind then. I'll just stop myself from looking again until 4pm.

The waiting game goes nasty. One unofficial acceptance with full funding, one oh-so-cold rejection, and seven no official words (including several assumed rejections.)

I hate the assumed rejections most especially. You're still depressed, but the healing can't begin yet.

There's really much much less information out there about playwriting programs than about anything else, too.


Vesuvia


Mar 6, 2008, 10:53 AM

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Rejected via snail mail for poetry, letter arrived 3-5-08. ISIS status has not changed.


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Mar 6, 2008, 10:58 AM

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My friend applied to Juilliard, Brown, Yale, Carnegie Mellon, Ohio University, and Rutgers. Have you heard anything about any of these?


bunnytutu


Mar 6, 2008, 11:49 AM

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Brown contacted me via e-mail and then by phone last month. They should be sending out letters within the next couple of weeks.


pensive
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Mar 6, 2008, 11:50 AM

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"What genre!?"

lol sorry, had to edit that. I applied for fiction, and my buddy for playwriting. Which?


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bunnytutu


Mar 6, 2008, 11:54 AM

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Sorry. Poetry. I'm sure it's probably relatively the same for the other genres.


(This post was edited by bunnytutu on Mar 6, 2008, 11:55 AM)


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Mar 6, 2008, 12:10 PM

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As far as I know, no one has reported anything for Brown...I remember hearing something about a poetry acceptance through the grapevine, but it wasn't substantiated. So the acceptance blogs don't have anything down for Brown in any genre. I wonder if I should call the program...


Vesuvia


Mar 6, 2008, 12:38 PM

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Call! Call! I'm too chicken to call myself....


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Mar 6, 2008, 1:09 PM

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I couldn't take it and called Brown to find out if people had been contacted yet. I didn't specify genre on purpose. The woman was very nice, and she said that NO people have been notified yet, and that notifications would go out around March 15th. So...there ya go!!! Fshoo.


Bertworld


Mar 6, 2008, 4:26 PM

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Just curious, has anyone received any "yes" letters from Iowa this week?


pensive
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Mar 6, 2008, 4:36 PM

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So I just received a 40 or so word rejection letter from Iowa...the best writing school in the country... and there is a glaring typo. There's a word for that... poetic.


Bertworld


Mar 6, 2008, 4:55 PM

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Pensive, that's hilarious dude! Even "ironical". You need to highlight that puppy and send it back!


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Mar 6, 2008, 4:57 PM

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I feel like I'm five again saying this...anyone dare me? Ha!


froggoddess


Mar 6, 2008, 5:43 PM

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I do! :)

But I dare you to do it in an anonymous sort of way, in case you want to apply again next year, or ever want a job there, or something... I'd wait until more folks have received their letters, and then cut off the identifying information and mail it in.

We won't tell!


Taryn_S


Mar 6, 2008, 5:46 PM

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I received a "yes" letter (after a phone call) yesterday 3/5.


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I think I'm gonna do it. Childish? Yes. Gratifying? YES!


Bertworld33


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Just opened my rejection letter. (Oh snap!!) Did not have the deviant pleasure of catching any typos. Props to all those who got in.


Bertworld33


Mar 6, 2008, 7:31 PM

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Pensive, on second thought, I would not send the letter back. Who knows, you may reapply someday; no need to burn bridges.


ejdifili
Emily

Mar 6, 2008, 10:09 PM

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Dude,
What's the typo? A friend of mine who also received one of their lovely letters also mentioned an error, but I can't find it for the life of me.

Perhaps I suck at proofreading--maybe that was my problem to begin with...


pensive
Adam
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Mar 6, 2008, 10:36 PM

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Third line reads...

"We have a limited number of openings and must turn away many promising applicants. this year, eight hundred..."

They didn't capitalize the first letter at the beginning of the sentence. I think it's a riot.


BLUECHEESE


Mar 6, 2008, 11:04 PM

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It is strange. It doesn't seem like there have been any iowa waitlists yet, nor have there been anymore acceptances (they usually notify some people via mail... well that is what I've read). I see quite a few people have been rejected, but maybe there is still hope for some of us. I hope.


americanwild


Mar 7, 2008, 4:20 PM

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Taryn: What genre?

I just received my official letter for poetry.


Taryn_S


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annie0


Mar 7, 2008, 6:16 PM

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Has anyone who was accepted into Iowa for Nonfiction been notified yet as to their funding/TA status?

My email on Feb 15th said I would hear from them "over the next several weeks" as to whether they would be able to offer me an aid package.

I have a strong suspicion I won't be receiving anything. If anyone has any info, I would love to hear it!

Thanks!


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jdavis


Mar 7, 2008, 6:38 PM

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Annie, I haven't heard any final word on NWP funding yet either, but I did have a little email exchange with Robin Hemley about it the last week of February. I asked him for a date so I could get a time-specific extension from another school that wanted me to make a decision -- he said they were waiting to hear from the Dean of Arts and Sciences how many sections of composition/gen ed lit were going to be available before they could do any allocating, and that they were running slow this year so it could be a while. Kind of vague, but it made me stop holding my breath.

Also, are you (or any other NWP people) planning to go out there for Visitor's Week?


annie0


Mar 7, 2008, 6:56 PM

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Thanks for the heads up, JD! I had a similar email exchange with Robin for the same reason. My other schools have all told me about funding, and a few were sort of pressuring me to decide. I was really hoping for some concrete info from him, but I understand that it's sort of out of the department's hands at the moment. I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

I am planning on heading up to the visitor's week. I'm pretty excited about it! Are you going too? Do you know if you'll be staying with a student while you're there?


jdavis


Mar 7, 2008, 7:18 PM

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I do love the waiting. Actually, I was a little encouraged by the latest email inviting us out there -- there were not a lot of names on the e-list. Maybe a small class = funding for all!

As for Visitor's Week, mind if I visit vicariously through you? I'm in northern Idaho at the moment, which might as well be Mars as far as the travel industry is concerned, so it doesn't look like I'm going to make it. It sounds like an awesome schedule, though. How long are you planning to stay?


annie0


Mar 7, 2008, 9:20 PM

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Yeah, I too counted the names on the email list. Amazing how attuned we all are to finding the tiniest shreds of information about this crazy process.

As for visitors week, I will totally be your proxy. I am staying for the whole week (I have a good friend in Iowa City), and am really looking forward to it. Iowa City seems like an awesome place. I'll let you know how it goes!


forthedogs


Mar 10, 2008, 12:10 PM

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not a yes, but i was waitlisted by letter today. feels pretty great. except for: who turns down iowa? heh.

anyone else on the "very short waiting list for admission"? or know anything about it? i'm really curious about how big it is, if people get in, etc.


golic


Mar 10, 2008, 1:27 PM

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J Whelan,

You're probably right. I don't think anyone in their right mind actually turns down Iowa. If you get in, you basically have to go. But strange things do happen, and sometimes people make decisions based on other facotrs--like maybe there's some geographical reason they need to stay in another part of the country: their spouse's job, proximity to family, etc. In other words, I don't think it happens often, but I do think it probably does happen. And from what I understand, Iowa's waitlist is pretty small, probably because they just assume that everyone they accept will go, so there's that too. It's not like a twenty person list is what I'm saying, so if you're on the list I think that's a great sign. Here's hoping someone drops out. And congratulations for even making the list. That in itself is a major honor.


forthedogs


Mar 10, 2008, 2:55 PM

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hey, golic,

thanks for the response and encouragment! being on the waitlist at all is pretty rad. i wouldn't turn down a flat-out acceptance there either.

i talked to the IWW and the waitlist is very small and also unranked. i was told that it varies from year to year as far as wait list acceptances. sometimes all the waitlisters get in, sometimes none of them do.

i have no idea how this affects funding or TA possiblities or anything like that, though.

anyway, thanks again, golic!

j


Stroudb

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Mar 10, 2008, 4:35 PM

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For what it's worth, some students do turn down Iowa. Some of the students (in fiction) where I'm at turned down good money offers from Iowa to come here. It's worth noting that the landscape of MFAs is changing, and has been for the last few years. That is, it's not so much that Iowa has decreased in anyway, but that other programs have risen, which is a roundabout way of saying that not everybody who gets into Iowa actually goes (I personally know of five people who turned Iowa down) because Iowa is no longer seen as so far ahead of everyone else, as the obvious choice, etc.
So, if you made the waitlist, I'd say, don't give up yet!


reality writes


Mar 10, 2008, 4:41 PM

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Stroudb, where do you go to school? That speaks highly for your school's reputation!


phillywriter


Mar 10, 2008, 5:56 PM

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JWhelan, I'd like to extend my congratulations as well! You're kicking butt! And I'm with golic. I don't think most rational people would turn down Iowa, though I'm sure it does happen. Not everyone has the same set of priorites, and for a lot of people the prestige of going to the top program in the country isn't as important as say getting a certain amount of money or studying with a particular writer or getting to live in a particular part of the country. Everyone's just different. And like Stroudb said, other programs are emerging, though I don't think any are quite in the same realm as Iowa just yet. This year, for example, Iowa received 920 applications for fiction alone, while other top programs like Michigan, Cornell, UVA and UC Irvine typically receive around 200-300 for fiction. I think that says something about where Iowa still stands, though it does make me happy that other programs are starting to emerge. And for the record, I got my rejection from Iowa this week. Bitter, yes, but I still admire the heck out of the program. Cheers!


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martis


Mar 10, 2008, 6:01 PM

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J.Whelan--

muchos kudos! i'd probably sacrifice one of my limbs to be on the waitlist at iowa. what did you get in for-fiction or poetry? i got my rejection for poetry via mail a few days ago. slowly coming out of my depression. thinking about applying next year, even if i end up somewhere else. i hope things work out for you!


Lynn Costes


Mar 10, 2008, 6:28 PM

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In Reply To
not a yes, but i was waitlisted by letter today. feels pretty great. except for: who turns down iowa? heh.

anyone else on the "very short waiting list for admission"? or know anything about it? i'm really curious about how big it is, if people get in, etc.


Big props for making the waitlist J.Whelan! That's beatin' some serious odds...


Stroudb

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Mar 10, 2008, 9:19 PM

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Oh, Michigan (which got 500+ applications for fiction this year, not at Iowa's amount, but Iowa admits twice as many, too). Anyway, this is an Iowa thread, so, yea Iowa!


ellen362


Mar 10, 2008, 10:36 PM

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Congrats on getting on the Iowa fiction waitlist. Last year, I was the person who got in there off the waitlist. It does happen.

All I did for weeks was eat. Hence I call it the 'weightlist.' Hang in there!

Ellen362


forthedogs


Mar 11, 2008, 6:08 AM

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thanks, phillywriter! it's kicking my butt right back. i kind of just want to know where i'm going now. i think you're right about people not turning iowa down. i don't know if i would either. that'd be a tough call. i get the impression that money sometimes does draw people to smaller, richer pastures.

we'll see.


forthedogs


Mar 11, 2008, 6:36 AM

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thanks, lynn. i appreciate it!


forthedogs


Mar 11, 2008, 6:39 AM

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thanks for the note, ellen362. good to know it does happen.

i think it'll be the weightlist for me too. this whole process is driving me to drink!

when did you find out?


ellen362


Mar 11, 2008, 10:08 AM

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I was waitlisted on 3/24, and admitted on 4/19. So don't drink too much! It could be awhile.

There's a good chance someone will turn down a spot because of funding, etc. I'll cross my fingers for you!

Ellen362


forthedogs


Mar 11, 2008, 11:16 AM

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hey, martis,

thanks for the good wishes. i'm in fiction.

hope things work out for you for this year (and next if you decide to apply to iowa again).

j


forthedogs


Mar 11, 2008, 11:28 AM

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thanks, ellen. yeah, that's a lot of straight days of drinking. maybe i should try the gym or something.


ecletters


Mar 11, 2008, 1:30 PM

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Hey people admitted to Iowa in either fiction or poetry, don't forget we have the blog where you can ask questions of the current first year students. The site is....www.iowamfa.blogspot.com


ellen362


Mar 13, 2008, 10:15 PM

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Hey people admitted to Iowa in either fiction or poetry, don't forget we have the blog where you can ask questions of the current first year students. The site is....www.iowamfa.blogspot.com


The current controversy at Iowa surrounds whether MFA students will have to sign away their thesis rights to a Google open-access site in order to graduate. We are all against having our stuff published free on the Internet. New admits, please inquire about this.


spamela


Mar 14, 2008, 12:29 PM

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This could potentially be VERY bad for writing students at Iowa. I used to be a book editor so I can tell you for a fact that a) no publisher will want to publish material that is available online for free and b) publishers HATE Google and to be legally embroiled or wrapped up with Google will not do you any favors when you attempt to publish your MFA thesis.

All current and incoming Iowa students should take a firm stand against this. It is very bad for each of you individually and it sets a bad precedent for other writing programs, some of which still regard Iowa as THE model for how a workshop should be run. This "contract" that Iowa wants you to sign devalues your worth and work as a writer. Stand against it.


popeye


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In regards to the issue of digital publication of creative theses, I have been given assurances from the University that the policy is currently being revised in a manner that will satisfy all the concerns of current and future students at the workshop.

I will post more information here as it becomes available. For further discussion on the topic I suggest both the Iowa MFA blog and Seth's blog.

http://iowamfa.blogspot.com/

http://www.sethabramson.blogspot.com/

Hopefully this will all be taken care of by Monday.


ellen362


Mar 14, 2008, 7:20 PM

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Popeye,

I hope you're right. I'm anxiously awaiting the decision. It also affects the privacy rights of anyone who wants to pursue a Master's or Ph.D.

Ellen


ecletters


Mar 17, 2008, 2:17 PM

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Statement from the Provost Concerning MFA Theses

In recent days a number of people have been upset about what they
believed was a plan by our library to publish the creative thesis
work of students in our writing programs on the internet without
their permission. Let me say as simply and clearly as I can, there is
no such plan nor will there be. I regret sincerely that we did not
convey this message when students and faculty first voiced their
concerns.

For some time now our library, like most major academic research
libraries, has been exploring ways to make its collections more
accessible by digitizing some materials. As part of that process,
there has been discussion about the possibility of making graduate
student dissertations and theses available in electronic format. But
any such process must be preceded by developing policies and
procedures that allow authors to decide whether and when to allow
distribution.

On Monday, March 17, I will begin pulling together a working group with
representatives from the Graduate College, University Libraries, our
several writing programs, and all other constituencies who wish to be
part of the process. Under the leadership of Carl Seashore in 1922,
Iowa became the first university in the United States to award MFA
degrees based on creative projects. Although this has been a rocky
start, I like to think that Iowa will again lead the way by
developing policies and procedures that safeguard intellectual
property rights while preserving materials for the use of scholars in
generations to come.



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Adam
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Mar 17, 2008, 2:27 PM

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Thanks goodness.


Raignn



Mar 17, 2008, 2:45 PM

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Excellent news for all current Iowa students and those who have been accepted!


spamela


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I'm glad they've put out an official statement, but it doesn't actually address the issue--which is that the U is MAKING students sign something that in effect gives "permission."


ecletters


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A Message from the Provost Concerning Theses and Dissertations
In recent days there has been a lot of discussion on campus and nationally concerning potential electronic access to student theses and dissertations in The University of Iowa's Libraries. The purpose of this email is to set your minds at ease and let you know what we are doing to ensure students' intellectual property rights.

In the case of MFA theses, it is critical to prohibit unauthorized electronic access since most publishers of creative work (poems, stories, plays, and so forth) will not publish anything that has already been made available on the internet. For our MFA authors, we are creating a version of the First Deposit Checklist that allows the author to explicitly rule out unauthorized electronic distribution no matter how the technology changes in the future. The students who worked with me and the writing program directors also thought it would be useful to have theses contain a special page asserting copyright and prohibiting unauthorized copying or distribution. This would be a useful option to have for all students.

In the case of research theses and dissertations, student preferences concerning distribution are more variable. In some fields, students wish to have their thesis work distributed as widely as possible and are willing allow this to occur through ProQuest or the University Libraries. Other students are happy to have their dissertations available electronically to University of Iowa staff and students but do not want more public distribution. Still other students want their work kept completely private until they have secured legal rights to their work via the patent process.

On Monday, March 24, I will meet with representatives of the Graduate College, University Libraries, and students and faculty from a variety of programs to work out a process whereby the authors of research dissertations can indicate their personal preferences about electronic access to their thesis work. We expect to have an interim process in place before the First Deposit Checklist is due.

I am grateful to the students and staff who have worked with me so far to help start the process of crafting a model policy for protecting students' intellectual property rights in the internet age.


Caroline W.


Mar 21, 2008, 6:35 PM

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Anyone out there still waiting on Iowa? Just curious...


golic


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Anyone ever heard of people transferring to Iowa from another program? Iowa was my top choice, and I didn't get in. I'm still holding out hope (probably unrealistic I know) of going there one day and was wondering if anyone knew whether such a thing is even possible and, if so, what the odds are?


jlgwriter
Jeanne Lyet Gassman
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Apr 4, 2008, 3:40 PM

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Mmm...I don't know about Iowa, but I do know of a couple of people who transferred to Vermont from Stonecoast. Those are both two-year low-res programs, so I guess it could be doable for Iowa. It also depends on how many credits they will let you transfer.

Jeanne


http://www.jeannelyetgassman.com
http://jeannelyetgassman.blogspot.com


bunnytutu


Apr 4, 2008, 4:54 PM

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I know of one person who transferred to Iowa from San Francisco State. I certainly think it's possible...but that's just me.


ellen362


Apr 4, 2008, 5:18 PM

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I believe someone transferred in from Mills College.


golic


Apr 4, 2008, 9:08 PM

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Thanks everyone for your feedback. It's good to know that it's at least possible. I just wonder if it's harder to get in as a transfer student (as opposed to someone who is just reapplying)? ? ?


ellen362


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I'm sorry, I really can't say. I do know someone tranferring into Columbia,too.


dorchester


Apr 6, 2008, 11:00 PM

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golic,

Iowa looks at your manuscript first. If you make it into the final rounds, and they like your work, I think you have as good a chance as anyone else.


luvrbuoy


Apr 9, 2008, 11:20 PM

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IOWA Playwriting? Has anyone heard freaking ANYTHING. I've checked on-line boards for awhile. Last Friday, I called the Department and was told they did not even have a list yet (?). And, that there was to be a committee meeting that afternoon. What's the slow-ass deal here? My ISIS account says my application is "in decision". What the heck? Isn't this a bit late in the game? What's going on with their program in general? All this feels questionable. Anyone?


ellen362


Apr 11, 2008, 5:32 PM

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I don't know why it's taking so long, but rest assured it's a legit program. I've got a friend in it. Sorry, that's not what you're looking for, but maybe it helps a little.


luvrbuoy


Apr 11, 2008, 6:12 PM

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Thanks for responding ellen362. Iowa has a great reputation. its just hard to understand WHY they are so slow when virtually every other reputable program has made decisions. I've seen no mention of anyone getting interviews, even. All so curious from what is supposed to be a top program. I'll just assume "no news is good news". And, that they probably are reading my script. Unlike, Yale--they had rejection letters out a month after the admissions deadline. Think about it, I doubt all scripts were read and considered by their program.


ellen362


May 2, 2008, 9:42 PM

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Any word on the playwriting, luvrbuoy? I'm hoping you got in!

Ellen


luvrbuoy


May 2, 2008, 10:09 PM

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ellen362


May 3, 2008, 8:21 PM

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Hi Luvrbuoy,

Congrats on the Tisch-Asia program! I hadn't heard about it before so I looked at it online. Sounds like a good opportunity. Hope they offer good funding.

I didn't apply this year- I'm a vet- already in Iowa, for fiction, and loving it.

Ellen


Mae Fields



May 22, 2008, 11:55 PM

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Any advice from current /past Iowa poetry students on the writing sample? I've heard the "send your best work" and of course will, but I also go squeamish at the thought of putting this application together for December.

It is a relief to know that prior publications do not increase the chance of getting in -- I've had no luck with lit mags.

I am nervous as hell about the application, though.

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated. It actually feels good to stamp and whine about it for a moment.

What were your manuscripts like? Did they have a unifying theme or were they more diverse? What were the average lengths of the poems?

Thanks!


Mae Fields



May 30, 2008, 10:46 PM

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My previous post makes me laugh. Hopefully I am working out my anxiety early in the process... :) There is no stamping or whining necessary. My post was an emotional reaction to discovering then reading this thread. It was a relief to find that people before me have felt this same anxiety (about applying to Iowa) and survived!


hamlet3145


Jun 15, 2008, 8:33 AM

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I hope everyone in Iowa City is surviving the flood as best as they can. I lived there for 3 years around 99-'01 and it is beyond disconcerting to see some of the recent pictures. Does anyone know if Dey House is going to be okay? I know that it is at a higher elevation than, say, the Memorial Union, but still it's very close to the river.

Pre-flood levels:

http://maps.google.com/...647&t=h&z=17

Sending dry thoughts,

--Jason


ellen362


Jun 15, 2008, 10:17 AM

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Hi Jason,

I was at Dey House a half-hour ago. It's fine. The river would have to at least double in size, and rise about 20 feet, to pose a threat. The library is flooded but they got the books moved up in time.

A major mess, but the Workshop is safe. They are closed for about a week, though.

Ellen


golic


Jul 18, 2008, 5:30 AM

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Well, after licking my wounds from last year's rejection, I've decided to apply to Iowa again. My friends think I'm a masochist. I know it's the most prestigious school in the country and very hard to get into, but there's really no other program that comes close for me. In the past year, I've met so many Iowa grads both online and in person and they all talk about it like it's writer heaven. Just a ton of super-talented, cool people hanging out together for two years and writing. I also like the fact that the emphasis there seems to be totally on writing and on giving the students as much time as possible to write, as opposed to making them take a ton of courses that don't really relate to what they're doing. It just sounds like a really supportive, cool place. And of course it doesn't hurt that like a zillion famous writers went there.

So I'm going through the process again, but I've actually met a few people who applied to Iowa twice before they got in, so I'm hopeful it could happen. Anyone else applying again?


dorchester


Jul 18, 2008, 2:28 PM

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golic,

I'm glad to hear you're givng it another go! Iowa's a special place, unlike any other program, and it's worth the wait.

If it makes you feel better, I knew someone who was just like you when I was there. He applied to Iowa three years in a row (didn't want to apply anywhere else) and finally got in on his third try.

Here's hoping you get in on your second. Best of luck!
dorchester


Raysen


Aug 6, 2008, 8:30 PM

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I read this entire thread this afternoon and, believe it or not, I was thoroughly entertained. I will be applying to Iowa in the near future. If accepted, I will more than likely accept Iowa's offer, but it's not a certainty. I can see myself accepting any of the following schools over Iowa:

Michigan
Cornell
Virginia
UC Irvine
Columbia

But I could get rejected everywhere. (Most likely) I've got a long list of schools and I'll only apply to the ones I'll be HAPPY to attend. I won't apply to any schools where I have doubts. Wow...just posting this message made my heart ramp up!


Raysen


Aug 13, 2008, 4:45 PM

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In light of Lan Samantha Chang's recent Guggenheim fellowship award, will she take a sabbatical from her duties for the next year? If so, who will take her place on an interim basis? How will this affect Iowa's program, if at all?


dorchester


Aug 14, 2008, 2:08 AM

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Raysen,

It's unlikely that her sabbatical will affect the program at all. That place has been running smoothly for years under the brilliant guidance of Connie Brothers, who is really the person who "runs" Iowa. Plus, Lan Samantha Chang may only end up taking off one semester, since Guggenheims are often used for 6-9 months, the length of a typical academic sabbatical.


gulfcoasting


Aug 26, 2008, 6:31 AM

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I'm applying this fall for Poetry and I'm already anxious.

Do any current Iowa Poets have any advice to offer for this fall's applicants?


mr.shankly


Oct 13, 2008, 12:37 PM

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I couldn't decide if I was going to reapply to Iowa this year or not. So I drove up here yesterday from Birmingham to check out the city.

Is there anyone in town who'd want to meet for coffee?? I'm staying with a friend in Cedar Falls, who's only been up here a month, so I'd love to talk with someone in the program who's more familiar with city. Let me know if you've got a few minutes in the next couple of days -- I'll be in until Thursday. Thanks, Katherine.


roykofan


Oct 21, 2008, 4:40 PM

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Help! I'm an 8th grade English teacher who's applying for MFA admission in the fall of 2009. My applications and portfolio are in pretty good shape, but I'm really struggling with the (infamous) personal statement. I've asked a large number of intelligent people and done a fair amount of research, but I'm still struggling to figure out what I'm going to eventually put on paper. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to share a personal statement that you thought was particularly good (in other words, one that helped you gain admission to the school where you wanted to go)?


luvrbuoy


Nov 5, 2008, 7:21 PM

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Ellen,
Thanks for asking. No, I did not get into Iowa's playwriting program. I finally emailed them 2 weeks ago(?) and received a "rejection" email stating that a letter was on the way. I had already decided they were not for me.


Katevey


Nov 23, 2008, 2:39 PM

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On a different thread, I was convinced to apply to Iowa. I'm applying for poetry. Question to those applying or those reading this blog who are already in: I have about 28-30 pages of poetry to send, should I also send a short story or two to "pad" my manuscript and show I can write in more than one genre although my interest is poetry?
The application fee is stiff for me, however, it's quite reasonable if you think about reading fees for contests. I had not been going to apply to Iowa because I have to go for full funding.
I started reading this blog from the start then skipped over to 2008; those already at Iowa City, how much control does the admin department have over the writing department? My undergrad over-all GPAs were 2.8-something & 3.0, respectively, and my GRE is rather weak but above the minimum. Neither degree was in English or anything related. My work history is everything except teaching and writing - just a lot of technical writing. (A good living, just boring.) Please be slash-and-gash honest.


__________



Nov 23, 2008, 3:05 PM

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I'm not an Iowa student.

But:

Don't send a short story if you're applying for poetry.

Don't worry about your grades or educational background. Iowa still has the reputation of being one of the most lenient (if not the most lenient) schools as far as grades or GRE scores go. They care about your writing. If you meet their stated minimum requirements, don't even worry about it.


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umass76


Nov 23, 2008, 6:14 PM

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I'm an Iowa student.

Don't send a short story if you're applying for poetry.

Don't worry about your grades or educational background. Iowa still has the reputation of being one of the most lenient (if not the most lenient) schools as far as grades or GRE scores go. They care about your writing. If you meet their stated minimum requirements, don't even worry about it.

***

[In other words, what Junior said].


(This post was edited by umass76 on Nov 23, 2008, 6:15 PM)


CalBoy


Nov 24, 2008, 8:17 AM

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I had two questions about the writing sample (If anyone could help me out, that'd be great. Thanks in advance!):

1.) How much would it affect an applicant's chances were he to just have one story or one excerpt? I know some people encourage the use of two, to show range.

2.) If a program stipulates 25-30 pages, can we say, go with eighteen pages? In other words, is it safe to assume most of these page counts are only recommendations, not requirements?

Thank you again !


(This post was edited by CalBoy on Nov 24, 2008, 8:19 AM)


Raysen


Dec 10, 2008, 4:06 PM

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I'm done with my applications, but I'm wondering whether I should send an extra story to Iowa. I already sent two (because they said 2-3 short stories). Does it look bad if I only sent two, instead of three?


__________



Dec 10, 2008, 6:48 PM

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Damnit, Scott Baio, quit applying to all my schools!



(Ha! Just kidding...I'm not applying 'till next year, Scott.)


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Raysen


Dec 10, 2008, 7:52 PM

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Scott Baio...LOL!

Dang.


srpotu


Dec 11, 2008, 1:16 PM

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Hi everyone,
I am planning on applying to Iowa in a couple of years. I'm posting because I'd like your input on what I can do (other than work on what I'll submit as my writing sample) to increase my chances of admission. After quitting work as a law clerk a year and a half ago, then taking a year to get my head in the right place, I began writing again. I've been fortunate to have a husband who makes enough to support the both of us, though we are by no means rich. Will it be frowned upon that I will have been out of work for three and a half years by the time I apply?


bighark


Dec 11, 2008, 1:41 PM

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The only thing you can do to increase your chances of admission is write great stories and poems. That's it.

Your job history is a non-issue.


dorchester


Dec 13, 2008, 3:45 PM

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For those wondering about the town of Iowa city, here's a cool thing I just discovered: The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) has designated Iowa City the world's third City of Literature, making the community part of the UNESCO Creative Cities Network.

In my opinion, Iowa City is probably the best place to live as a writer in the country (and that's counting Boston and even New York), but it's nice to see this being recognized by the United Nations.


grimson
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Dec 13, 2008, 4:12 PM

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I live in New York now. It's nice having bookstores, workshops, a creative community, and readings, but none of it helps when I sit down, alone, to write - just as the absence of same didn't hurt me when I lived in a small North Carolina town for six years.


spamela


Dec 13, 2008, 4:30 PM

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Hey, they might also be building a writer's museum to go along with that new designation, which would be neat.

I think Iowa City's probably a better place to live as a writer if you're affiliated with the Workshop. Otherwise it's a lonely place to be a writer, as unaffiliated writers tend not to be embraced or taken very seriously. It's also tough because you just *know* all these cool writer parties and conversations are going on that you'd love to be a part of, but can't because, well, it's the nature of writing programs to be insular. And by "you" here, I mean, of course, "slightly embittered me."


flobelle


Dec 14, 2008, 7:34 PM

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I don't think this is the case.

I think that the issue is being connected to the university in some way, not necessarily the writing programs in particular. But that's true of any college town.


roykofan


Jan 3, 2009, 1:38 PM

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Okay, I'm diving into the grad school waters and applying to 11 MFA programs (including Iowa) for possible admission in the fall of 2009. After reading all of the rejection threads on this board, I'm already starting to get jittery. Does anyone know when schools typically make their acceptance/rejection decisions? When do they notify applicants?

Nervous in Chicago


jaywalke


Jan 3, 2009, 2:13 PM

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Does anyone know when schools typically make their acceptance/rejection decisions? When do they notify applicants?


http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/2008/01/2008-data-bank-of-application-response.html


Raysen


Jan 3, 2009, 4:31 PM

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The way I read your post, you haven't applied yet.

"I'm diving..."
"and applying..."

I don't know about the other 10 schools, but as for Iowa, the deadline is January 3 (today).


roykofan


Jan 4, 2009, 4:23 PM

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Okay, poor verb tense usage (present progressive?) on my part. My MFA applications have been filled out and mailed (both e- and snail)...what an adventure that was! I believe it was Tom Petty who sang, "The waiting is the hardest part." Incidentally, the Seth Abramson blog link in a previous post was incredibly helpful...


Mae Fields



Jan 6, 2009, 8:35 PM

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Has anyone received their writing sample postcards back from Iowa yet? I've received mine from all schools except Iowa.

M.


Raysen


Jan 6, 2009, 9:55 PM

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I got mine back from Iowa a long time ago. I have since mounted it and framed it and it's now hanging on my bedroom wall.


Mae Fields



Jan 6, 2009, 11:35 PM

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Anyone else receive postcards back? I sent my sample in around Dec. 15th.


Raysen


Jan 7, 2009, 2:06 PM

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As I said, Mae, I got mine some time ago. Seriously. (I wasn't sure if you believed me or not.) Also, I sent my package via certified mail, so I was able to track it on the Internet and know for sure when it was received by Iowa. The postcard was just another (redundant) indicator that they received the package.


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Mae Fields



Jan 7, 2009, 4:46 PM

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Thanks; I believed you. I want to hear from others, too though. I sent mine Dec. 15th, so I think the office is probably just backed up from the holidays and apps coming in.

When did you send yours?

And others? Anyone else with an MIA acknowledgement card?


Raysen


Jan 7, 2009, 6:59 PM

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Late November.

Not to ask the obvious, but you did send your own self-addressed stamped postcard, didn't you?


Mae Fields



Jan 7, 2009, 8:34 PM

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Yep.


dorchester


Jan 28, 2009, 3:06 PM

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Had to post this link. The Iowa Writers' Workshop gets a little shout out on the Simpsons. Very funny:

http://iowamfa.blogspot.com/


swiviol


Feb 1, 2009, 6:34 PM

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Oy. I don't think I attached postcards in ANY of my writing samples ... a lot of them were online too (Brown, Michigan, etc.).

Is this a common practice - ie, did it say to do this on the application - or just something that people can do if they want to?


unsaid78


Feb 1, 2009, 6:36 PM

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I didn't do the postcard thing either. I think maybe 1 school required it. It is nice to get that extra confirmation, but not required.


www.mfachronicles.blogspot.com - Follow us as we begin our 1st years in MFA programs!


Looks1522


Feb 12, 2009, 4:02 PM

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Would anyone be willing to share some of their work? I don't mean a writing sample, or anything like that. Just something indicative of their style.


swiviol


Feb 12, 2009, 4:07 PM

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Has anyone heard from Iowa yet? (fiction or poetry, not creative nonfiction)
I haven't heard from ANY of my 5 schools yet (6 including an MA at one school) and am getting impatient ... :(.


weltanschauung


Feb 12, 2009, 4:15 PM

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Someone on TSE reported a CNF acceptance at Iowa on Tuesday via snail mail. The CNF program is completely separate from the Writers Workshop (fiction and poetry), though, so that should have no bearing on when fiction/poetry acceptances come out.


Khalilah


Feb 20, 2009, 9:04 PM

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Hi Pongo and others who have attended Iowa or maybe the Iowa summer workshops,

Do you know what people's experiences have been in the Iowa summer workshops. I've noticed that at least for this year, the permanent faculty are teaching the summer workshops and I would like to get the Iowa experience even though they haven't accepted me.

Thanks in advance


alamana
Jennifer Brown


Feb 21, 2009, 7:03 AM

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I took a weekend workshop at the Iowa Summer Writing Festival with Bret Anthony Johnston last year (not sure if he's teaching this year?) and I learned more in two days than in years of workshopping.


Be regular and orderly in your life, that you may be violent and original in your work. -- Flaubert

http://www.jenniferkirkpatrickbrown.com


Khalilah


Feb 21, 2009, 7:43 AM

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Thank you Alamana. I'll definitely have to make the summer workshops a priority and now I have to pull myself out of the depression over not getting in all over again -- LOL ...kinda.

Anyway, I have to ask -- please forgive me if you've put it on the boards somewhere already, did you go elsewhere for your MFA?


alamana
Jennifer Brown


Feb 21, 2009, 7:46 AM

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Khalilah -- Nope, I'm in the same position as you. . . busy not getting in. Applied to 10, rejected from Alabama, waiting to hear from the rest.


Be regular and orderly in your life, that you may be violent and original in your work. -- Flaubert

http://www.jenniferkirkpatrickbrown.com


Khalilah


Feb 21, 2009, 7:58 AM

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(hear Stewie's voice in all this): Okay, that's a funny way to think about it. Okay. I just laughed. Okay. Laughing again.


Khalilah


Feb 21, 2009, 9:05 AM

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Alamana,

I really was laughing which is the only thing to do as I wait by the window for the post man with fingers crossed.


roykofan


Feb 21, 2009, 2:06 PM

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I took a week-long workshop with Bret last summer, and it was without question the best writing experience of my life. As popular as the workshop format is, I think it's a deceptively-difficult class to run. When to interject, when to back off, when to re-focus the group...Bret handled all of these issues with an expertise that belies his young age. He has a dry, hysterical sense of humor, yet NEVER allowed the discussion of writers' pieces turn silly or farcical -- every piece was accorded a great deal of respect. Bret is an accomplished writer, yet talks to other writers with an Everyman, we're-all-in-this-thing-together tone. I still communicate with members of our workshop on a regular basis, largely -- I believe -- because of the supportive, collaborative environment Bret created in the classroom.

Having said that, I don't think Bret's teaching at the Iowa Summer Writing Festival this year. :( However, anyone who's interested in studying with him ought to keep your eyes and ears open. I cannot say enough about this guy.


HildaB


Feb 22, 2009, 2:18 PM

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Hi Khalilah,

This is my first post on any MFA blog. I attended the 8 week regular graduate session at the Iowa Writer's Workshop last summer with James Allan McPherson. (This program is separate from the writers festival) The 8 week program was enough to convince me that I need two years to fully develop without work distractions. It was pretty intense, but definitely worthwhile. My writing improved tremendously just from the full focus. At least half my class applied for the MFA program this Fall (about 5 people I think) so we are all in the same boat, waiting! The only other place I applied was Cornell and I haven't heard from them either. I know it sounds crazy to only apply to two programs, but my "Plan B" is to attend more conferences instead of spending big money on an MFA. Good luck on your application! I hope we all hear soon...


cecilpeoples


Feb 22, 2009, 5:42 PM

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roseeview,

do you know what the competition/numbers are for the eight week IWW summer program? as far as being accepted i mean. also, when did you get your acceptance letter? was it long before july? thanks.


HildaB


Feb 22, 2009, 5:57 PM

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cecilpeoples,

My acceptance letter for the summer program was dated April 16th - so mid-April was when it arrived. I heard that there were hundreds of applicants, although I am not sure exactly how that translates to real numbers. There were only 11 in the class, so the competition was pretty high at any rate. Don't let that discourage you though. I almost didn't apply because it was such a long shot, but let me tell you, when that big white envelope arrived, it was quite a thrill.



cecilpeoples


Feb 22, 2009, 6:25 PM

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cool, thanks. i understand how this creative writing thing works as far as percentages, i was just hoping the summer workshop would be less competitive (though i'm sure that's not very realistic). one of my ex-profs was a student of mcpherson and she's told me how awesome he is (and that she thinks he'd like my stuff!). so i figure i'll give it a go. luckily, i don't fear rejection.

thanks for the info.


amarra


Feb 23, 2009, 12:46 AM

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Hi, I received the acceptance call from Iowa for fiction on Saturday and am wondering who else did as well. What other programs did you apply to/would you consider going to over Iowa? Are you going to visit before accepting? Anyway, I'm just interested in meeting future workshoppers and seeing what you all are up to.


HildaB


Feb 23, 2009, 5:28 AM

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Congratulations Amarra!

I haven't heard anything yet, but I am quite hopeful. Where else did you apply? I think visiting Iowa City is a great idea. It is really a fantastic little town, with great energy. Of course I was there in the summer, but if you are at all unsure, I think a visit to speak with the faculty and get a feel for things would help you a lot. Good luck in your program.


Khalilah


Feb 23, 2009, 7:13 AM

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Amarra Congratulations!! Wow its serendipitous to wake up and read your posting because, I was thinking this morning about asking people on the board to discuss their Iowa experiences but was afraid to because I feel like anyone accepted to Iowa goes to Iowa so its good to hear you question whether or not you will go. I haven't been accepted but your late acceptance also gives me hope that maybe an acceptance is still to come.

So, Amarra forgive me for using this resposne post to ask former or current Iowa MFAers especially in fiction to tell us about the Iowa experience and, if you had to choose between Iowa and another program when you were accepted, what made you choose Iowa other than the obvious -- that they've produced more awarded authors than any other program (or if that was your sole reason, how did/is your experience at Iowa bring(ing) you closer to being the next great Iowa alumna?).


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dorchester


Feb 24, 2009, 1:24 AM

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Khalilah,

As a graduate of the Writers' Workshop, I can honestly say that perhaps the only reason not to go to Iowa is if you have some geographic or personal reason (e.g., your partner lives on the East Coast) that makes another location more desirable. Before Iowa improved their funding dramatically, that might have been another reason not to go, but now everyone is funded and their funding, in general, is among the very best in the country. Of course, as you said, the Iowa name and the prestige attached to is perhaps the most obvious reason to go, and though this might seem like a superficial reason right now, I can tell you from personal experience that down the road--when you're trying to get teaching jobs, seeking literary representation, etc.--you'll realize just how valuable a degree from Iowa can be. It doesn't guarantee literary success, of course, but it does give you an advantage over graduates from other programs, simply because of the Workshop's reputation for consistently producing successful writers. So, that's the practical reason for going to Iowa: the degree itself still holds more value, in a professional sense, than any other. As for the experience, I can tell you that Iowa City is an amazing town (probably the best literary town in the country) and that the Workshop community as well as the literary community in Iowa City are truly wonderful. It's just a very inspiring place to be if you're a writer, one of the only places in the country where being a writer is actually valued. On top of that, the Workshop faculty are incredible, not only as writers, but as teachers too. Marilynne Robinson and Jim McPherson are still the two best teachers I've ever had. Add to that the gorgeous building in which the Workshop is housed, the incredible list of visiting writers that come to town, the generous post-grad fellowships, and the many other perks that go along with being a student there, and you begin to see why the application numbers are so high. And of course there's a mystique factor that goes along with attending Iowa--wanting to go the same program where so many other famous writers have gone in the past--though, to be honest, I think that's only a part of it. I think the main reason why Iowa produces so many successful writers is because of the students themselves. In other words, the talent level there is so high that it inspires you to raise your game, to write better poems and stories, and, as a result, everyone just gets a lot better by the time they leave. I realize this might sound a little intimidating to some, but it's actually a very inspiring thing.

Anyway, I hope this answers your question somewhat, and my apologies for rambling on.

Best of luck to you!


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umass76


Feb 24, 2009, 1:32 AM

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I'd pretty much second everything Dorchester just said.

And I say this as a Bostonian who'd never been to the state of Iowa before matriculating.

S.


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Khalilah


Feb 24, 2009, 9:59 AM

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Dorchester,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. This was not at all too much of a response. In fact you bring another question to mind for me: do Iowa MFAers get those 3rd year graduate fellowships?


dorchester


Feb 24, 2009, 10:15 AM

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Khalilah,

Yes. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think around 6 graduating students get one--it's basically a fellowship for a full-year of funding that's delivered in monthly installments. The writer can live anywhere during that year, as long as they don't work. Also, another 6-10 of these fellowships are given out each year to recent graduates (meaning you can keep applying for them for about ten years after you graduate.)


roykofan


Feb 26, 2009, 10:21 AM

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Has anyone received an official rejection from Iowa? I know they've been sending out acceptances -- presumably to their top candidates -- for over a week now, but I'm holding out the same "no (bad) news is good news" hope that everyone else is...;-)


HildaB


Feb 26, 2009, 7:39 PM

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No word yet, but I am also holding out hope. My understanding is that letters will go out next week.


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Khalilah


Feb 27, 2009, 12:10 AM

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Hey Roseview what is the source of your info?


HildaB


Feb 27, 2009, 6:08 AM

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The workshop office. I emailed them and got a reply.


Khalilah


Feb 27, 2009, 11:33 PM

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Dorchester,

Thanks. Your generous response just makes me want it more.


Khalilah


Feb 27, 2009, 11:34 PM

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Roseview thanks for reaching out to Iowa and finding out the info. Did they indicate that they would still be sending out acceptances?


HildaB


Feb 28, 2009, 7:34 AM

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I don't want to give false hope, but my understanding is that the show is not over yet. In terms of acceptance letters vs the alternative, that wasn't clear, but it looks like things should be relatively obvious after this week.


Khalilah


Feb 28, 2009, 8:55 AM

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I think I'm losing my mind I'm laughing so hard... what a way to respond to such potentially good news.


HildaB


Feb 28, 2009, 9:05 AM

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I am just trying to be careful with info. There is a lot of stuff flying around out there, and I don't want to add to people's angst. I prefer to stay centered and positive, but prepare myself mentally for Plan B, so I try to be careful with the highs and lows of this process. I find that it detracts from the writing I am still trying to do while I wait.


Khalilah


Feb 28, 2009, 9:18 AM

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Oh definitely Rose. My comments were a self analysis. I hope you didn't take them as a criticism of you. I just looked at your post and thought 'okay, that letter may be an acceptance' and started laughing hysterically. It was completely involuntary. It really makes me feel a teeeny bit insane. But I am incredibly grateful to you for inquiring directly with Iowa. And I think my attachment to P & W is making me realize how much this is my life here. Wow. For a while I'd thought of the MFA as my fancy and then what next... PhD, Law school but I'm realizing that No, this is the LIFE I want.


HildaB


Feb 28, 2009, 9:43 AM

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Believe me I understand. I actually went back through all the materials I submitted to see if I would change anything - not to mention my letters of recommendation to remind myself of my accomplishments :) The truth is that I am happy with everything that I submitted, including my SOP. I felt that they reflected well who I am and what I want to accomplish. I gave it all that I have, and will have no regrets, no matter what happens over the next week. This is actually quite comforting to me, because when this is all over, I will still have the same goals, and will get my nose back to the grindstone and churn my heart out in the wee hours for as long as it takes.

I was thrilled to get into IWW last summer to work with JAM. He is a truly gifted individual with unique insights, but I don't believe for a minute that not getting in to the MFA program will make or break me as a writer. There are too many writer's working away in solitude, who finally, finally, have their voices heard. I will admit that getting accepted gives you a certain level of confidence, but none of us should forget why we write. It is who we are, and no rejection, or acceptance for that matter, changes that. I am holding onto that with every fiber of my being. Having said that, I will be screaming and crying for joy if I do get in!! Thus, I hold out hope, and try to remain centered...


agnyc


Feb 28, 2009, 5:20 PM

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right on roseeview, right on. i need to take that to heart, but it's oh so hard.


Katevey


Feb 28, 2009, 6:25 PM

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Thanks to everyone for helping remember no news is not an automatic rejection notice. And thank goodness Iowa has the finesse not to just post it on my admissions profile page.
Question: for Iowa, 'Hawkmail's' i.d. is only when one has been accepted, correct? I'm trying to make certain it isn't like Michener and I'm just looking in the wrong place.


HildaB


Feb 28, 2009, 8:36 PM

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Hi Katevey,

Your admissions profile page should have a place to check application status.

Under the 'Admissions Summary' you should see, 'Admission Decision:' Mine still says 'In Progress' , but I am sure that the decision will posted there one way or another.

Hope this helps.


swiviol


Mar 3, 2009, 12:40 PM

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So, what's up with ISIS? Has anyone's status actually changed except those who have been accepted? Mine still says "In Progress" ... I've heard that it won't change until a few weeks after letters are mailed out, but I'm making this post just to see if anyone's has changed.


HildaB


Mar 3, 2009, 12:54 PM

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Well, mine still says "In progress" but I'm happy with that at present :) Still hoping for good news via snail mail first.


fixittuesday



Mar 3, 2009, 1:05 PM

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Mine says In Progress too. I wrote Iowa the most pleading-est, on-my-knees letter. It was like the one I wrote to Johnathan Taylor Thomas in 6th grade. Ugh, I fear the worst, but there's a little sense of false hope in me that says, maybe they understand just how bad I want them! Maybe they'll take pity! Oh Please, JTT--err, Sam Chang!!


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Tuesday-

Hahaha! I'm hoping against all odds for some good news from Iowa as well. I wish you luck. You're JTT-esque pleading letter was sure to do the trick. :)


sara e.g.


Mar 3, 2009, 4:22 PM

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I totally wrote a letter to JTT when I was in the 6th grade, too! And to Jonathan Brandis from Seaquest DSV (though I just recently found out he died. Makes the memory of kissing those posters even creepier than before.)


weltanschauung


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haha, i was totally in love with jonathan brandis too. i framed pictures of him torn out of my teen heartthrob magazines and everything. yeah, i found out not long ago that he died a few years back and was pretty crushed... though honestly i preferred him at 17. is that terrible to say? :-x


swiviol


Mar 5, 2009, 4:20 PM

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Has anyone received a LETTER from Iowa saying they were accepted or waitlisted?

Just curious, as I have yet to receive my rejection letter :(.


AnnaJ


Mar 5, 2009, 7:42 PM

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Over in the Damn! I didn't get in...thread, some have said yes to your question. Guessing your ISIS profile still says In Progress? Same here.


swiviol


Mar 5, 2009, 7:50 PM

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Anna, I got rejected today. ISIS still says "In progress", though. (will they EVER change it??)


AnnaJ


Mar 5, 2009, 8:05 PM

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:( Swivol


Raysen


Mar 6, 2009, 1:32 PM

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I know it's no consolation, especially coming from me (since I've got two offers already) but here goes anyway:

I think this focus on the MFA is misplaced, especially on a program like Iowa. And in case you were wondering, no, I did not get a rejection from Iowa.

I know several graduates from the Iowa Writer's Workshop. One graduated in the 1990s and he told me I didn't need to go to Iowa or any other MFA program. All I really need to do is write write write. If I really really wanted the MFA, just pick somewhere local because frankly, there are a lot of good teachers everywhere. So, he and I got into a discussion about Iowa's teachers. To tell you the truth, I told him, I've read the works of Lan Samantha Chang, Marilynne (sp?) Robinson, and Ethan Canin, and their style didn't appeal to me. And I haven't even read a single James McPherson work. The "Iowa" name is what it's all about.

Another Iowa grad told me roughly the same thing. The only new thing he told me was that even Iowa grads struggle to get published. Sure, we hear about the Michael Cunningham's, Nam Le's, Yiyun Li's, TC Boyle's, Flannery O' Connor's, and the Raymond Carver's (he did not graduate btw), but there are also the John Bergenwaller's, Jane Museendorf's, and Ivan Yeskovich's that no one has heard of and are now getting their MBA's.

A third Iowa grad is out of the writing "business" altogether and went to law school instead. He had a couple books published early in his career that went nowhere and he decided he had enough. It was more important to make money, so he said.

Another guy who got his MA from a well-known school told me that an MFA was not necessary...at all. Just write. He said, in clear and unambiguous language, that an MFA was a waste of time. Just write and read and write. From his experience, he learned nothing from professors and other students. Especially the other students.

I've taken their advice a bit. I didn't apply to just any school...just six Top 10 schools. And though I got into two, I'm not absolutely certain I might attend. I'm still weighing the pros and cons of attending. My life is pretty comfortable where I am. I mean, I write constantly and I learn more and more everyday just from the act of writing and reading other people's stories. Just yesterday, I re-read Joyce Carol Oates' "Ghost Girls" and Ruth Prawer Jhabvala's "The Interview" and learned something new.

I guess if you want to teach, having an Iowa MFA in your resume/CV may be an advantage. But even that is not a slam dunk. You need to publish first and foremost. And win some stupid awards and stuff.

A professor who did one of my Letters of Recommendation said to me, "Did Charles Dickens get an MFA?" Well no, but I'm sure if he were alive today, he might actually pick a field in forensic accounting rather than publishing stories in serials. He asked me to name some Iowa alums and so, I rattled them off -- from a list I got off Wikipedia -- and he said, "Never heard of them." Anyway, he still wrote me a Letter of Recommendation. His last words to me were, "I still think you're wasting your time and talent."

So, in the end, I don't find Iowa to be a huge draw for me. But that's just me. I don't have the same "Iowa or Bust" dreams like a lot of people. I personally don't have a desire to teach as a profession. I just want to have a career like Ian McEwan or even Cormac McCarthy. Publish stuff here and there, do radio interviews, read from my work in 90%-empty auditoriums to a bunch of wide-eyed English students, maybe recite some bad poetry at bars on "Poetry Reading" nights, and develop a long friendship with my literary agent who'll constantly push me to write a vampire novel. Apparently, vampire novels are big these days.


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Raysen


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This forum has a short time-out feature which prevented me from further editing my post above.

I also wanted to add:

In my community, there are a bunch of adult education classes taught by the local Adult Education Centers and community colleges. I'd often see writing workshop or craft classes taught by Iowa Writer's Workshop grads whose name I've never heard of...and I do a fair bit of reading myself (so I know many of the names). My initial reaction was: Gee, I feel sorry for them. They went to a big-name program and she's doing THIS to make a buck?!?!

This is probably unfair and I feel bad about feeling this way about these instructors, but I can't help it. I mean, if I'm going to Iowa, I'm going to make a big splash in the publishing business. Not this nickel-and-dime work.

Alright, fire away!


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Kurt


Mar 6, 2009, 2:04 PM

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Raysen - No need for anyone to fire on you. I've felt similarly at times. I think that's the perspective you have until you can't afford to have it anymore.


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Mar 6, 2009, 2:55 PM

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Vampire novels are done. Zombies are the next wave.


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Raysen


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Zombies are a stretch for me. I don't have any life experiences with them.


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Mar 7, 2009, 5:30 PM

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Raysen, if you didn't get rejected from Iowa, does that mean you got in?

If you decide you're over it, we should hang out and start our own MFA. Or possibly a low-stress low rez. That'd be pretty cool.

(Oh and PS, I figured it out. All kidding aside, you are former POW Jessica Lynch...).


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AnnaJ


Mar 7, 2009, 6:55 PM

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Wondering along the same lines. Not rejected, not accepted. Has Iowa started a waitlist? Or are we on the bubble as a second tier once any acceptees with multiple acceptances turn it down? Would anyone accepted and funded here turn it down?


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Mar 9, 2009, 11:33 PM

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Hi - my first post here, I've been reading through and don't know really if this is the right place, but I just found out today that I was accepted to the literary translation MFA at Iowa (which I understand is different from the Writers Workshop). Didn't expect to get in at all, actually, and am wondering if anyone else applied or has been in the program. I mostly applied to PhDs, and thought of Iowa as a long shot anyway... Would love to hear from anyone who is thinking about or actually attending the program.


Khalilah


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Definitely have been told since the beginning that if you don't want to teach then you don't need the MFA. Well, I'm not sure yet if I want to teach but I do want to be a member of the academic community and I just couldn't go to another day of a critical class before my life was allowed to be all about the creative. I, of course draw inspiration from critical theory as well as other creative writing.

Raysen, there's a lot that you are saying here that I'm glad someone is willing to say and, that I am not willing to say since I'm using my real name but, I will add that the second thing that I'm glad I was told from the beginning of this journey was that a grad degree of any sort in English should not be paid for because there is no guarantee that that money will EVER come back to you, at least not from the academic or literary world. In fact the reason I got the courage to go for the MFA is because my PhD advisor told me the PhD is no guarantee. I also pursued this knowing that as far as a paying career goes, the MFA is "THE most worthless piece of paper" you can ever earn (direct quote from an Iowa grad who got a book deal before graduating -- so I'd say she got ALL the benefits of an MFA and the Iowa MFA specifically). So, while I applied to a full range of programs (top ten, up and coming, unranked), I only applied to funded programs and was prepared to not necessarily choose Iowa (if I'd been accepted) because of money, from the moment IU-B stepped up with funding.

What is ironic in the world of MFA professors is that what I've noticed is that most of the professors either have no MFA at all or they got one from Iowa. There are exceptions but that's the trend I've noticed...

Someone, I don't remember who, also said that the MFA was a gift of time for the writer, time granted instead of stolen to write. That is something important also about the MFA (and my primary reason for wanting it) -- giving you two to three years to step out of the regular world and just read and write -- kind of as your job (and teach if you have to, which one prolific author told me keeps him writing; that it is because he teaches and must read and think about what he reads in order to teach, that keeps him writing).

The life of one dedicated to writing is always on the brink of obscurity -- no MFA program will change that.

Best of luck to all of you who may still be getting acceptances to Iowa and everyone who is deciding to take the road more traveled of just writing yourself into history without an advanced degree.


swiviol


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Interesting comments, Khalilah. I disagree w/ you saying that all MFA professors got their MFAs at Iowa though - I am a Michigan undergrad taking a class w/ Peter Ho Davies right now, and I believe he got his at BU.

Also kinda funny that you say it's one of the most worthless degrees, because I was accepted into Emerson's MA in Publishing program and everyone keeps telling me that THAT is the most worthless degree since you still have to start @ the bottom of the publishing world once you receive it.


Khalilah


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Swiviol, thanks for finding my comments interesting.

Please note, I said MOST professors. Not all. That's my general observation. I didn't actually write down a tally but it does seem to me that in a casual read through of about 45 programs(that's about how many I checked out), more professors either have their MFA from Iowa or no MFA at all than those with MFAs from other schools except those working at their alma maters.

And I quoted an Iowa grad who told me the MFA is the most worthless degree you can earn for a career. I didn't draw that conclusion but it was part of the advice that was important for me to comprehend when deciding whether or not I would be willing to lay out money for this degree. I think that with all the literary degrees (PhD, MA, MFA), the most important, career advancing action is productivity -- publishing is what gets you the career (or in the case of the PhD- producing an innovative dissertation or dissertation worthy of a book deal).

These were things important for me to know as I chose to seek an MFA and chose my schools so I would know the value of my time and what this time would mean or not mean for my future. For me, the MFA means 3 years to workshop, read and write, and get paid to do it instead of working elsewhere to pay for it. Maybe I'll get a teaching career out of it but I'll probably depend on leveraging a PhD into that.


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In Reply To
(Oh and PS, I figured it out. All kidding aside, you are former POW Jessica Lynch...).


I KNEW IT!!!

Your silence confirms it, Ms. Lynch. It's the only identity you've not been quick to claim. It also totally fits: not a movie star, done a thing or two, met with Ben Kingsley. A-ha!

And, just to keep things relevant, an interesting quote from Ethan Canin. OK, not a quote, 'cause I don't have it in front of me, but basically he said that as an Iowa prof, he reads fifteen publishable stories a semester -- and five of those are better than anything he would have written himself.

Hm.


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brokewriter


Mar 11, 2009, 10:25 AM

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Hey all--
I hope this is the appropriate place for this. I was accepted to Iowa for fiction recently. Are there any current fiction students out there who'd be willing to answer a few questions? I'd really like to get some further insight on the program. Feel free to PM me. Thanks!


dorchester


Mar 11, 2009, 2:20 PM

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Raysen,

I think you make a good point, and I would be the last person to say that the MFA route is the only (or the best) route to take if you want to become a published writer. That said, I think there are certain advantages that go along with earning an MFA--having a degree that enables you to teach on the college level should you ever want to, benefiting from the instruction of established writers, spending two or three years with a group of intelligent, well read and talented peers, some of whom will likely be readers and friends for life, and of course having a period of two or three years simply to write on your own without the distractions and pressures of a job.

I can't speak for other programs, but as someone who attended Iowa, I can tell you that I benefited enormously from all of these things and attribute much of my own professional success to the two years I spent there as well as the degree itself. Of course, you're right to point out that a degree from Iowa doesn't guarantee anything and that for every successful writer that comes out of Iowa there's some graduate who's never published a book, but you have to bear in mind that at most MFA Programs probably less than ten percent of the graduates publish books or get college-level teaching jobs and at Iowa, of course, the percentage is significantly higher. So yes, the degree itself isn't a guarantee of anything, but it does give you a notable advantage over graduates from other programs, and given the competitiveness of both the publishing and academic markets these days, I don't think there's anything wrong with a young writer wanting to give him or herself an advantage.


Raysen


Mar 12, 2009, 6:42 PM

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Thank you for your wise and level-headed post, dorchester. I like the fact that I'll be studying with learned faculty and enthusiastic/talented students. With that said, I have no interest in teaching so the practical necessity of the MFA degree is not there for me. More to think about...


taraberyl



Jul 16, 2009, 11:26 PM

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Hi - I wasn't sure if I should post this in the Iowa category or SOP category, but I have a question...
Most schools describe the SOP as a place to talk about your writing achievements and experiences, introduce yourself, and explain what in your life has led you to this point. But Iowa's description of the SOP is different:

Include your purpose in pursuing graduate study, any research you wish to pursue, and your future vocational goals.

They don't say anything about talking about your past...is all that other stuff just implicit? I can't imagine writing an entire SOP about what I plan to do and not talk about what I've done. Naturally those things are necessary, too, right? Am I overthinking this?

This question sounds really stupid now that I've type it out, but I was just wondering - how different should the Iowa SOP be from most schools'?

Thanks so much for any insight.


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Jul 17, 2009, 1:49 PM

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Hi Tara,

I applied to twelve schools last year (including Iowa), and, for the most part, used the same SOP. I tend to think the best SOPs combine a little bit of one's past experiences and future goals. Past: what brought you to the point of wanting to pursue graduate study in creative writing? Future: what do you hope to do while getting your MFA (complete a novel, a story collection, contribute to a strong writing community, etc.) and what about after graduating (do you want to teach, for instance)?

So, to answer your Q, i don't think your Iowa statement needs to be different. I think Iowa and all these programs are interested in your future goals. In some ways, it gives them a window into your level of dedication. The best advice I received on the SOP was: 1) provide a sense of your personality while maintaining a professional tone, 2) show the admissions committee that you are dedicated, ready for graduate studies, and that you work well with others.

Feel free to PM if you have more Qs. I'm more than willing to share my SOP.


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taraberyl



Jul 17, 2009, 6:47 PM

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Thanks so much, Greg, you're tops!


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Nov 15, 2009, 10:30 PM

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Ugh, I'm putting my application materials together this week. Nervous already.

Alsoand I hope I'm not re-opening a can of wormsdoes anyone know where Raysen ended up going?


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I am putting everything together as well but very worried about the GRE. Would be needing funding and they say we should send the GRE scores if funding is required? Does the GRE assume a decisive presence? I am a dead man - because I would be awful with it .. have it next week...


Anurag


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Dec 6, 2009, 2:56 PM

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Re: [Anurag] Iowa MFA - GRE [In reply to] Can't Post

The Iowa website (http://www.uiowa.edu/~iww/admissions/requirements.htm) says:

"General GRE scores (optional)
Admission to the Workshop is based on your writing sample and not your GRE scores. The University of Iowa Writers Workshop does not require GRE scores for admission. However, student applications that include GRE scores may be more competitive for a greater range of financial assistance."

To me (and please, if someone knows better, please correct me), this sounds like they use GRE scores to determine some aspects of funding or to "break ties" between candidates that are otherwise nearly identical on paper. I'm almost certain, however, that they won't deny significant funding to students who elect not to send their GRE scores. I finished my application last week and did choose to send mine, but I wouldn't have done so if I hadn't thought they were strong enough. If you're worried, Anurag, my advice is not to send them.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


Anurag


Dec 6, 2009, 3:12 PM

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Hey Eric,

This makes me optimistic. I really think the GRE is a dreadful exam and see no point why writers have to take this...Thanks for the insight. I am applying from India and funding is a crucial factor for me since I dont want to spend money on a creative writing course. It is anyway, an unpredictable profession - so burdening myself with loans would be foolish. I spoke to an Indian Iowa fiction alumni who lives in my city and she says Iowa funds everyone. ..I might choose not to send my scores, depending on how much I score next week..

Anurag


Anurag


bighark


Dec 6, 2009, 3:40 PM

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Generally speaking, stellar GRE scores (think 1500 and above) can qualify students for university-level funding in the form of grants and fellowships at universities whose graduate schools consider GRE scores.

Program-level funding does not consider GRE performance. If you get accepted to the program, you'll get funding. If you have rock-star GRE scores, the university may step in with additional funds or the opportunity to take free money instead of teaching. Either way, if a program says you don't have to send the GRE, don't feel like you have to send it.

That goes double for people who'd have to pay to send their scores. My standard is 1500, but I could see a case for 1400. Either way, if your scores are fair to middling, don't waste your money.

I've never served on an admissions committe, but from what I've been told, tie-breaker situations may call for a review of the applicants' statement essays and letters of recommendation and possibly C.V.s and GPAs. GRE scores are never mentioned.


ericweinstein
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Dec 6, 2009, 7:12 PM

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Re: [bighark] Iowa MFA - GRE [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you, bighark.


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Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


Lux


Dec 23, 2009, 5:16 PM

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Panic! Just emailed Iowa to ask this question, but they're out of the office for the holiday until AFTER the deadline. Does anyone know, please: if applying to both poetry and fiction, should I submit two separate applications and application fees? Should the personal statement, etc. be different on each? The website mentions that each sample portfolio would need its own coversheet and can be mailed together, but nothing further about applying to both genres.


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Dec 23, 2009, 7:51 PM

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You're rightI'm having trouble finding any mention of additional fees, &c for those submitting in both genres on Iowa's website. All the other schools to which I'm applying stipulate that those applying in two genres must submit two totally separate applications, including two separate application fees. (Question, Lux: when you filled out the Iowa application, it asked you to indicate your primary course of study within the MFA program. Did you write "poetry," "fiction," or both?)

I'll keep researching this one. If anyone comes up with an answer, please post.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


Lux


Dec 23, 2009, 7:56 PM

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I haven't actually submitted it yet. I just realized that they say you're allowed to apply to both, so I went looking for additional info and didn't find it. Will keep looking. If anyone knows, please fill us in!


Zuleika Dobson


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Dec 23, 2009, 8:24 PM

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The other schools I've come across that allow candidates to apply to more than one genre have stipulated two separate fees, so I'm guessing this is the case with Iowa too.


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Lux


Dec 23, 2009, 8:39 PM

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Virginia actually just asks for one app and fee.


sdh11


Dec 23, 2009, 8:41 PM

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Brenda,
I emailed Iowa about the personal statement and they said one statement for both genres. Can't say for sure about the application fee, but I just assumed I wouldn't have to pay it twice, so I only did one online application and paid just one fee.
Hope this helps!
-S


Lux


Dec 23, 2009, 8:50 PM

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That does help, thanks. I kind of feel like if they wanted separate apps they would have asked for them?


Lux


Dec 27, 2009, 11:32 PM

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For anyone else who is still wondering about how to apply to both poetry and fiction at Iowa, I just got a response from Connie Brothers. Submit two manuscripts (one of each genre), each with its own coversheet. They can be mailed together. Everything else can be submitted once, including the application and fee. Just specify 'poetry and fiction' or what have you where it asks for your area of focus on the application. Hope this helps!


00emily


Jan 3, 2010, 2:34 PM

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Just curious - the postmark deadline listed on Iowa's site is today (Sunday) which must be a mistake. Has anyone called to ask if tomorrow's postmark would be acceptable, or if the deadline was effectively yesterday? I have been in travel hell, and could not get it out yesterday.


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Jan 3, 2010, 4:49 PM

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I imagine they intended Saturday, January 2 to be the last acceptable postmark date, but since the language is somewhat ambiguous they might accept material postmarked on Monday, 1/4. If no one else has called, you might want to do so tomorrow to check.


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Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


bighark


Jan 3, 2010, 8:54 PM

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Generally, if a postmark deadline falls a Sunday, you get that next Monday, too. Send your stuff to Iowa tomorrow.

Good luck.


bardberry


Jan 5, 2010, 1:33 PM

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What's Iowa's response time?


Trilbe



Jan 5, 2010, 1:38 PM

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Check Seth's blog:

http://sethabramson.blogspot.com/2009/01/2009-data-bank-of-mfa-application.html


bardberry


Jan 5, 2010, 1:41 PM

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Thanks!!!


00emily


Jan 5, 2010, 5:57 PM

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Thanks, bighark - I went for it.


Trilbe



Jan 5, 2010, 7:24 PM

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No prob, bardberry!

@all - Is someone going to record the response times this year? What will we do -- what will future cycles of applicants do without this resource? Seth is doing his PhD now, I'm sure he needs to focus on his writing and he's done a great enough service to this community by just setting up the system. Bless his heart, keeping that data is clearly labor intensive and time consuming.

But someone should keep this going! I would be happy to help/contribute in any way that I can. Any ideas on how this should proceed? Is someone out there already working on this? With Seth? Is Seth out there? What's up with this? Does anyone know?


umass76


Jan 5, 2010, 10:12 PM

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Hey there Trilbe--
I've heard that someone's going to be doing this. I don't want to step on their toes/steal their thunder, but suffice to say it's going to happen. I was already asked for permission to use my template/data and (of course!) I said yes. When I know more I'll post a link to what they're doing. Again, though, I think you can rest assured that this'll happen, and frankly if someone else doesn't do it I plan to (so either way, you're covered). Be well,
Seth


Trilbe



Jan 5, 2010, 11:20 PM

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That's great news!

I've been following this forum and the MFA blog for the past couple of years, preparing for my apps this year, and things like the response times have been a lifesaver. I'm glad someone is going to keep the fire burning. I'm also glad to see that you're going to be able to focus your energy onto YOUR POETRY! I've often felt that, as grateful as I was for the info, that still you should be writing poems instead of tutoring us. Good luck to you!


Anurag


Feb 19, 2010, 10:46 AM

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Hey please update if anyone gets to hear from Iowa - yes or no! I am getting sick worrying. I feel I am sitting on a time bomb.


Anurag


manxmanx


Feb 19, 2010, 10:56 AM

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Hi Anurag,
You might want to go to the www.driftless-house.blogspot.com . It's where people are keeping tracks of when programs first notify.

I hope this helps a little!


Arna Bontemps


Feb 20, 2010, 4:24 PM

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Hey,

I'm in at Iowa for Fiction. Anybody else? I know over at the MFA blog "Ben" and "RealTalk" said they got calls in the past day or so.