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pongo
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Jan 26, 2006, 5:32 PM

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Goddard won't be put off by humor, but they do expect you to have some idea of why you want an MFA and what you need to learn. They don't really expect a completed course of study, just a rough draft. If you can't put together a course, you don't belong there.

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bullscheidt


Jan 26, 2006, 5:48 PM

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Hey -- congrats on getting them all in the mail! That typo thing -- happened to all of us. I always think I remember a typo the minute after I close the envelope.

Cheers, Erica


texasgurl
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Jan 26, 2006, 10:48 PM

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I didn't apply to Goddard, but I've thought about this "design your own course" question in case I don't get in anywhere. Think about what you'd like to read, and how you think that might help you develop your writing. Think about your strengths and weaknesses as a writer, and the authors you know that might inform and influence those strengths and weaknesses. How will you study the works of the masters and the contemporary writers you admire? How will that make you a better writer?


FWIW.


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amarier


Jan 27, 2006, 2:54 PM

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i mailed my application to vermont college on monday... and got my check for the application fee ($50) back today. the letter says they're waiving the application fee for January 2006! i wonder why they're doing that, other than being nice? anyone else get money back?


wiswriter
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Jan 27, 2006, 7:52 PM

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i mailed my application to vermont college on monday... and got my check for the application fee ($50) back today. the letter says they're waiving the application fee for January 2006! i wonder why they're doing that, other than being nice?


That's your scholarship. Congratulations.


BB


Jan 27, 2006, 9:31 PM

Post #106 of 1175 (12245 views)
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I did too! It was a great feeling, wasn't it? Too bad the other schools don't do the same.


Elika619


Feb 16, 2006, 4:11 PM

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Hi all,

I am planning on applying for an MFA program for Fall 2007 and as I start the process, hope to get some good information early on.

Right now, I would love to go to a program that emphasizes teaching while giving you time to write. While I would love to make my fortune by getting my work published, I fully understand that rarely does your written word pay the bills alone. And, more importantly, I would find it a joy to teach others creative writing.

Since this is for NEXT fall, my list is very tentative, so am looking for constructive suggestions and comments. Right now, I am thinking about NYU, Boston, Montana, Iowa, UC-Davis or UC-Irvine. Does anyone know anything about programs in Denver?

Any advice would be appreciated as I start this process! :)

Thanks!

Elika619


bighark


Feb 16, 2006, 6:05 PM

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Hi Elika, welcome to the forum.

There are a number of programs that allow students to teach, but not all of them cover creative writing pedagogy or allow students teach a creative writing course.

In my reasearch, I encountered two programs that seemed to do a good job of providing the training and opportunity to teach creative writing--the University of Michigan and the University of Indiana. There are a bunch of other schools that allow you to teach composition and <i>maybe</i> creative writing, and there are schools where you can teach creative writing but not get any formal training in pedagogy, so make sure that you're able to make the distinction when you're peforming your research.

Of course, I only list two programs. Others may chip in a few more names--by no means is my list exhaustive. I just mention it because the teaching of creative writing is not a general focus in most MFA programs.

Having said that....

You mention that you would like to teach in order to pay the bills. If you intend to get a job at the college level, you should know that these jobs are very competitive and hard to acquire. As a matter of fact, there's been a recent discussion on this very message board about the job market for creative writing instructors and what it takes to get a full-time appointment. There are a couple of veteran posters here, too, that presently work as instructors in colleges and community colleges. They may pop into this thread and give you better advice that I can give.

But the bottom line is (and I think the veterans will back me up here) that you should not plan on being able to teach without having a successful publishing career. An MFA might give you the ability to work as an adjunct composition (notice that I did not say "Creative Writing") instructor at a community college, but you won't get a full-time appointment at a 4-year institution without an impressive list of publications.

If you want to teach at the high school level, though, you should be fine. And good for you, too, if you want to help high school students with creative writing. That would be a cool job.

Anyhoo, to summarize: The MFA is not job insurance.

And that concludes my post.

Good luck with your search and applications!


ddl


Feb 16, 2006, 6:19 PM

Post #109 of 1175 (12245 views)
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Hi Elika,

Every student who goes through the MFA program at Ohio State gets to teach at least one workshop in their genre. All of us also teach intro composition for a year and get intensive (40 hours) pedagogical training before doing that. There's an optional course in creative writing pedagogy available, which basically entails observing and serving as an apprentice to a faculty member for one quarter while the faculty member teaches an undergraduate course.

We also, as I've noted in other threads, get full funding for three years, mostly through teaching and sometimes through additional fellowships.

Hope that's helpful. Best of luck with your application process.

Danielle


HopperFu


Feb 16, 2006, 8:39 PM

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I'm not sure how helpful it would be, but if you want (or if anybody wants, please message me) the AWP Official Guide to Writing Programs 11th Edition, it's yours for the price of postage.


flatiron10


Feb 17, 2006, 12:10 AM

Post #111 of 1175 (12177 views)
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What's inside? If it has profiles of schools and whatnot, I'd be glad to take it off your hands!


HopperFu


Feb 17, 2006, 7:53 AM

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It has a brief rundown on every program in creative writing in North America, with names of teachers, funding info, program requirements, etc. It's a good way of browsing all of the programs, but not ideal for very specific info about programs - if you know exactly what programs you are interested in, you are better off going to the program websites or getting brochures mailed to you.
It's an interesting book, and can help give you an idea of some programs you might want to explore further, but the reason I'm willing to give it away for postage is that I'm not sure it is worth more than that.
Let me know. And if Jennatelesca doesn't want it, it's open for the taking.


bighark


Feb 17, 2006, 9:21 AM

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This cat's book look like it might be good. It came out too late in the application process for me to buy it, and I really really hope I won't need to get a copy for next year, but here's a link to the blog where you can learn more about it: http://creative-writing-mfa-handbook.blogspot.com/


HopperFu


Feb 17, 2006, 9:31 AM

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Yeah, I guess it's not a bad book for getting your initial list of schools in order. When I first thought I was going to be applying to more schools, I read through it and put a post-it next to the thirty or so schools that I thought, "yeah, I want to know more about that program."
I've already pulled out the post-it notes, so they won't come in the mail with the book....


flatiron10


Feb 17, 2006, 12:07 PM

Post #115 of 1175 (12112 views)
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Re: [bighark] Comments needed for tentative Fall 2007 school list! [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually bought that one...it seems pretty informative, but doesn't have every program profiled. Although, the book does have a selection of profiles and also a list of every MFA program that was in existence before the book's publication.


Onyx


Feb 20, 2006, 7:07 PM

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I haven't seen this question yet so I hope I didn't miss it. I am wondering how early is too early to start having things like transcripts and letters of recomendation sent to schools? I am going for the Sept (aprox) deadlines, and I was wondering if anyone had any idea about this?

Thanks!


bighark


Feb 21, 2006, 12:00 PM

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Hi Onyx.

I'll do my best to answer your question, but I must say that I'm confused. You mention "September" deadlines, which seem really, really odd to me.

Most traditional MFA programs have application deadlines in December and January. Are you applying to low-res programs or something? Are you confusing the the enrollment dates with the application dates? If you could explain what you mean by "September deadlines," I'm sure we can give a better answer.


Onyx


Feb 21, 2006, 12:46 PM

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I'm sorry, yes I am talking about application deadlines for low-res programs. For those programs the deadlines for application are mostly in the Sept-Oct range. Sorry about that - I missed including that info.


bighark


Feb 21, 2006, 1:11 PM

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Ok, that makes more sense.

Personally, I think now would be too early to start sending materials, but the only way to know for sure is to contact the programs where you want to apply. Some institutions may not be ready to accept application materials until a certain date; others may not be so constricted.

If your deadlines are in September, I would think that July would be Ok. Again, though, you should call and ask.

Anyway, we're about seven or eight months away from those deadlines. Are you anxious to get this stuff crossed off a to-list or something? What's the big hurry?


pongo
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Feb 21, 2006, 1:24 PM

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Bear in mind that the people who work in admissions offices are human. Sending them stuff that they won't have to deal with for six or seven months only gives them the chance to lose it.

dmh


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Onyx


Feb 22, 2006, 11:26 PM

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The reason I am trying to find out is one of the Profs. I would like to ask for a letter of recommendation from is moving out of state to a new college job after the end of the semester. I know at the end of the semester she will be busy with finals, and then will go straight to moving, so I'm trying to figure our how to make this as easy for her as possible to mail letters to the schools that require them to be sent from the recommender. :)


noneya


Feb 23, 2006, 9:08 AM

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Onyx,

You might see if your prof would be willing to put a letter of recommendation on file through your college/university's Career Services. Otherwise, if it's written on letterhead of the current employer, but the prof is listed as teaching somewhere else, it might raise eyebrows...

Just a thought.


Aubrie


Sep 20, 2006, 2:34 AM

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So let's get the ball rolling - how about everyone who is applying to school this year drop in let everyone know where they're applying, and how far along in the process they are? I know I've already posted this, but for the sake of starting the post, I'll go first.
Applying to: Columbia, NYU, New School, Brooklyn College, Iowa, Michener, Montana, Michigan, Minnesota, SFSU, Notre Dame, and New Mexico.
Workshopping writing sample at New School class now, drafting S.O.P, and took GREs last year. Have some recs already rolling in, and have three definite recommenders. Have 14 transcripts in hand already. Yes, I'm prepared because I applied last year to 4 NYC schools and was negged by all of them. :(
Know how annoying it is to beg alma mater for transcripts, cram for GREs, etc.
Feel a lot more confident this year, but you never, ever know.
I wish everyone the best of luck and much strength/coffee/beer/cigarettes/all of the above while working away at apps!


renapoo


Sep 20, 2006, 4:54 AM

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Okay, I'll bite--it's 4.44 a.m., why not?

Applying to:

Irvine
Indiana
Iowa
Michener
Cornell
NYU
UMass
UVA
Johns Hopkins
Mich-Ann Arbor
Montana
Stegner (looooong shot, but I'd take it)

Have 1 writing sample done, am fixing up the other, have 1 recommender's letters on the way, haven't heard from the 2nd potential rec (it's been three weeks...I'm gonna call him), and am still hedging on who to ask for the last one. Personal statements are slowly rolling along, I think the short ones are mostly done (250 words) but the longer ones are tricky. Anyone applying to Johns Hopkins and flipping out about the self-critique?


__________



Sep 20, 2006, 4:54 AM

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Alabama, UT Austin, Texas State, Syracuse, U-Mass Montana, Indiana, Michigan, and Iowa, just because.

Thinking about: one of the Floridas, perhaps an Arizona, New Mexico State ( Antonya Nelson, Robert Boswell might leave?), and Ole Miss (Barry Hannah? Still around?)

And gosh darn do everyone's lists look the same!

Finished second draft of my 'second' story. Will finish first draft of my 'primary' story next week (risky, but the best thing I have).

No workshops, no conferences, but have found two MFA profs who do consulting work by mail.

Worried about recommenders--an Old English prof, a fiction prof....and?

Very relaxed about the SOP's after reading HopperFu's and Sibyline's, which were just very honest and straightforward.


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