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erhey


Jul 13, 2005, 5:11 PM

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Hi,

I'm entering the MFA program (fiction) at The New School this fall, and I'm wondering if anyone out there has feedback on the instructors. The people I'm considering are Jonathan Dee, Stephen Wright, James Lasdun, Darcey Steinke, and Helen Schulman, Susan Bell, and Sigrid Nunez.

Thank you.


(This post was edited by motet on Dec 20, 2005, 7:50 AM)


MattElz
Matt Elzweig
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Apr 7, 2005, 9:09 AM

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Anyone know about the MA in English with Creative Writing concentration/thesis option at Queens College?

How is it? Who teaches there? What is the atmosphere like?


gymnick


Dec 19, 2005, 10:08 PM

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Tomorrow, I have meetings/information sessions scheduled at Hunter and New School MFA (if the MTA doesn't strike and I can make it into Manhattan). I'm going through the websites but I was wondering if you guys could suggest some good questions to ask.

Thanks


artemis


Feb 20, 2006, 3:11 PM

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Stony Brook University is creating a grad writing program in Southampton, NY at the former campus of Long Island University. It is slated to begin in the Fall of 2007. This is according to the NY Times, Long Island section (Feb. 19), pg 3. The LIU program is moving to the Brooklyn Campus. It doesn't say MFA specifically, nor what sort of programs will be offered (poetry, fiction, non, etc). But that makes tuition plummet from over 20k a year (at LIU) to just over 4k a year (for NY res).

Anyone know anything more about it? MFA? Non-fiction? Poetry?


Aubrie


Feb 22, 2006, 4:45 PM

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Happycat - what other programs did you apply to in NYC?


happycat


Feb 23, 2006, 2:01 PM

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Aubrie,

NYU, New School, Columbia and Hunter. I didn't go for Brooklyn. I just didn't have the energy to do more than four applications.

This whole shortlist thing is nerve-wracking!


Aubrie


Feb 23, 2006, 2:39 PM

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We've applied to the exact same schools... I didn't apply to Brooklyn either.
Not even entirely sure why.


[hotwax]


Feb 28, 2006, 7:18 PM

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Did you not consider the MA (now the MFA) program at City College?

--danny



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Aubrie,

NYU, New School, Columbia and Hunter. I didn't go for Brooklyn. I just didn't have the energy to do more than four applications.

This whole shortlist thing is nerve-wracking!



(This post was edited by [hotwax] on Feb 28, 2006, 7:36 PM)


happycat


Mar 1, 2006, 11:19 AM

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Hotwax,

I didn't know about that program at the time, or even much about Brooklyn. Both seem great, though. I guess I was too frazzled by the whole thing to want to look at more tan four schools, which is dumb I know.

Hunter is down to 8 or 9 people for fiction, still have decided on the final 5 or 6.


pitselah


Mar 1, 2006, 12:03 PM

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I applied to all the NY schools except Columbia and City College (didn't know they offered an MFA either). Found out on Friday I'm in at Brooklyn College! Such a relief.


happycat


Mar 1, 2006, 12:06 PM

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Nice! It's crazy that they start this early.


Aubrie


Mar 7, 2006, 5:05 PM

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Aubrie,

NYU, New School, Columbia and Hunter. I didn't go for Brooklyn. I just didn't have the energy to do more than four applications.

This whole shortlist thing is nerve-wracking!

Hey HappyCat - what happened with the Hunter short list? Have you heard from anyone else? I know Columbia is notifying, did you get lucky there, too!?!


happycat


Mar 7, 2006, 5:11 PM

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I wasn't going to say. I got in at Hunter and Columbia. Still waiting to hear from NYU and the New School. But I think Hunter just surpasses everything... I could be wrong...

Here's the MFA acceptances blog: http://mfacw.blogspot.com/ I wish he'd update.


LaurenAnne


Mar 7, 2006, 5:41 PM

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I think he has been updating--he just doesn't change the date. Of course, the truth is that the website we're all really looking for is www.whichschoolisgoingtoacceptyouandwhen.com, but sadly nobody has started that one yet.


Aubrie


Mar 7, 2006, 6:06 PM

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I wasn't going to say. I got in at Hunter and Columbia. Still waiting to hear from NYU and the New School. But I think Hunter just surpasses everything... I could be wrong...

Here's the MFA acceptances blog: http://mfacw.blogspot.com/ I wish he'd update.



Well that's just silliness. You should post in Have You Heard and get your due congratulations! You must have a very, very strong writing sample! I would be very excited about both acceptances. Hunter seems so much more feasible financially, though, huh?

Let us know where you're going to end up! I'm sure there's some anxious waitlister out there waiting for you to turn someone down!!!

Now go post and CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!


(This post was edited by Aubrie on Mar 8, 2006, 12:33 AM)


Aubrie


Mar 7, 2006, 6:08 PM

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maybe there's hope? the blog website says that Columbia has sent out negs, too?

<crossing fingers ever so tight>


dintennessee


Mar 8, 2006, 1:14 PM

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Did the Brooklyn acceptance come by mail, phone, or e-mail?

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pitselah


Mar 8, 2006, 1:26 PM

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It came by phone.


Clench Million
Charles

Mar 17, 2006, 1:57 PM

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Hi Eric, I remember you from the who-got-in thing. And happy, "man-facting," TK's blog?
Its funny to see how small this wannabe-writer community is.


happycat


Mar 17, 2006, 3:02 PM

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Or how widely-read TK is. (For those who haven't seen it yet, it's at http://creative-writing-mfa-handbook.blogspot.com/)


gymnick


May 7, 2006, 2:27 AM

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Congrats- I was deciding between Emerson and Sarah Lawrence and decided to go with Sarah Lawrence (but I'm in nonfiction) but that was until I heard from the New School. Now I don't know what to do though it's not a bad dilemma to have. Any thoughts about SL vs. New School?

Thanks.


blueberry


May 7, 2006, 2:09 PM

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i recently chose between TNS and SLC for nonfiction - and went with Sarah Lawrence. They're definitely two very different programs - TNS being very fast-paced with little personal attention, night classes and a bit disorganized. But the location is great and a lot of graduates seem to be publishing. I went with SLC because Jo Ann Beard is there, because of the weekly one on one conferences with faculty and because I'm hoping to complete a pretty hefty project and feel like I might be distracted at TNS. Have you visited either? If not, you should. They have very distinct and different personalities. Good luck...and maybe I'll see you in the fall?


Clench Million
Charles

May 7, 2006, 2:21 PM

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Anecdotally, I've heard better stuff about the New School than SL. If it was me, I'd go with TNS easily just based on location.
A lot of people I talked to at Columbia before deciding to go there had very positive feelings about TNS program and considered it the only rival to Columbia in terms of program quality in the NYC area. Most of the faculty seem pretty interesting there.
What genre are you going for?


gymnick


May 8, 2006, 12:03 AM

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I'm feeling very torn at the moment. I just heard from TNS, which had been a top choice earlier in the process because of the practicality of the program and it's location. i'm very much a city girl and I wasn't thrilled by the idea of living in westchester and commuting. but when I didn't hear from the TNS, I chose SLC over Emerson. I thought I was happy with that decision until I heard from TNS. Now, I'm feeling very undecided. If you wouldn't mind delving further into why you went with SLC instead of TNS, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks.


blueberry


May 8, 2006, 11:38 AM

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First, let me say that I think both TNS and SLC are fine programs - the faculty at TNS is stellar. A good friend of mine also had to choose between SLC and TNS - he chose The New School, the right decision for him, I'm certain. I was really torn before visiting the two schools, but afterwards, my gut instinct kicked in.
The only, only con on my list at SLC is the location, and the only pro of TNS was location. Faculty-wise, for me, SLC is better. While I admire people like Vivian Gornick and Philip Lopate very much, I think Jo Ann Beard (at SLC) is brilliant, I know from friends that she's also a great teacher and have heard the same of Vijay Seshadri. I also sat in on a class taught by Lawrence Weschler that was revelatory.
TNS wouldn't let me sit in on a class. I understand not sitting in on a workshop, because that's such a personal thing, but no class? This attitude seemed to pervade every communication I had with the program there. In retrospect, I had a series of pretty lame experiences when I visited. I asked if I could talk with a student, again - no. They said I could attend a public forum, which I did, and basically tap someone on the shoulder. I asked if I could meet with a faculty member or program rep. - this seemed like a big imposition ( I was in NY for 3 days from California and trying to accomplish as much as possible while I was there). I finally met with a program coordinator, though they wouldn't make an appt. - just "pop by" the office. While I was in her office, Robert Polito strolled in. She tried to introduce me, he either didn't hear or pretended not to, and she pretended she'd never tried. It was awkward and kind of funny, but along with everything else, just added to the lameness of it all. Other students I met who were deciding between SLC and TNS had similar experieces. As did my friend. He's really into living in the city, wasn't a fan of the sleepy hollow factor of Westchester, likes the fast-paced, no hand holding, looseness of TNS, and doesn't mind the lack of organization.
I like the bi-weekly conferences with faculty at SLC. I loved the class I sat in on. The thesis project I want to work on is a collection of autobiographical stories and I think SLC's faculty/program is better suited for that than TNS's. I'm not bothered too much by the commute or living in Westchester....
It still nags at me from time to time. There are a couple other programs (west coast) that I was also really interested in, and passed up for SLC. But I've talked to and worked with students, faculty & staff now at SLC - all of them have been super helpful, responsive and pretty frank about the program's strengths and weaknesses. So, I feel like I know what I'm getting into - for better or worse - and I don't think I could say the same for TNS.
Incidentally, I also visited Columbia and met with students there. There was definitely a "don't go to SLC" vibe, which generally seemed to stem from the belief that the SLC's program is not as rigorous as Columbia's. I think that's probably true, in terms of the course load/reading requirements. But I'm not really worried about it - I'm looking at these two years as a time to hunker down and write, to finish a major project, and believe I can take care of myself when it comes to rigor - both in reading of literature and in writing. What I'm not interested in is clawing my way up for access to faculty - which was the vibe at Columbia and TNS. I don't want to spend my energy competing for attention, fellowships, etc. in an MFA program. I want to spend it getting the work done, writing. And I think I'll be able to do that at SLC.
In the end, all you can do is make your best educated guess, right? SLC fits my goals, but I can totally see that it doesn't fit my friend's goals, and plenty of people's goals. One way I plan to "fill out" SLC's program is by attending TNS's public forums, doing internship work & utilizing the vast literary resources that NY offers.
I say, figure out first what you want out of the program & where you'd feel most comfortable/able to write. Whichever program you choose, you'll be giving up - something - because both have so much to offer. It is a pretty wonderful decision you get to make. Though it's nerve-wracking for sure.
I hope this helps. I wish you the best of luck wherever you end up. I wish both of us, all of us really, best of luck over these next few years in MFA-land!

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