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erhey


Jul 13, 2005, 5:11 PM

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Hi,

I'm entering the MFA program (fiction) at The New School this fall, and I'm wondering if anyone out there has feedback on the instructors. The people I'm considering are Jonathan Dee, Stephen Wright, James Lasdun, Darcey Steinke, and Helen Schulman, Susan Bell, and Sigrid Nunez.

Thank you.


(This post was edited by motet on Dec 20, 2005, 7:50 AM)


MattElz
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Apr 7, 2005, 9:09 AM

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Anyone know about the MA in English with Creative Writing concentration/thesis option at Queens College?

How is it? Who teaches there? What is the atmosphere like?


gymnick


Dec 19, 2005, 10:08 PM

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Tomorrow, I have meetings/information sessions scheduled at Hunter and New School MFA (if the MTA doesn't strike and I can make it into Manhattan). I'm going through the websites but I was wondering if you guys could suggest some good questions to ask.

Thanks


artemis


Feb 20, 2006, 3:11 PM

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Stony Brook University is creating a grad writing program in Southampton, NY at the former campus of Long Island University. It is slated to begin in the Fall of 2007. This is according to the NY Times, Long Island section (Feb. 19), pg 3. The LIU program is moving to the Brooklyn Campus. It doesn't say MFA specifically, nor what sort of programs will be offered (poetry, fiction, non, etc). But that makes tuition plummet from over 20k a year (at LIU) to just over 4k a year (for NY res).

Anyone know anything more about it? MFA? Non-fiction? Poetry?


Aubrie


Feb 22, 2006, 4:45 PM

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Happycat - what other programs did you apply to in NYC?


happycat


Feb 23, 2006, 2:01 PM

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Aubrie,

NYU, New School, Columbia and Hunter. I didn't go for Brooklyn. I just didn't have the energy to do more than four applications.

This whole shortlist thing is nerve-wracking!


Aubrie


Feb 23, 2006, 2:39 PM

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We've applied to the exact same schools... I didn't apply to Brooklyn either.
Not even entirely sure why.


[hotwax]


Feb 28, 2006, 7:18 PM

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Did you not consider the MA (now the MFA) program at City College?

--danny



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Aubrie,

NYU, New School, Columbia and Hunter. I didn't go for Brooklyn. I just didn't have the energy to do more than four applications.

This whole shortlist thing is nerve-wracking!



(This post was edited by [hotwax] on Feb 28, 2006, 7:36 PM)


happycat


Mar 1, 2006, 11:19 AM

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Hotwax,

I didn't know about that program at the time, or even much about Brooklyn. Both seem great, though. I guess I was too frazzled by the whole thing to want to look at more tan four schools, which is dumb I know.

Hunter is down to 8 or 9 people for fiction, still have decided on the final 5 or 6.


pitselah


Mar 1, 2006, 12:03 PM

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I applied to all the NY schools except Columbia and City College (didn't know they offered an MFA either). Found out on Friday I'm in at Brooklyn College! Such a relief.


happycat


Mar 1, 2006, 12:06 PM

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Nice! It's crazy that they start this early.


Aubrie


Mar 7, 2006, 5:05 PM

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Aubrie,

NYU, New School, Columbia and Hunter. I didn't go for Brooklyn. I just didn't have the energy to do more than four applications.

This whole shortlist thing is nerve-wracking!

Hey HappyCat - what happened with the Hunter short list? Have you heard from anyone else? I know Columbia is notifying, did you get lucky there, too!?!


happycat


Mar 7, 2006, 5:11 PM

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I wasn't going to say. I got in at Hunter and Columbia. Still waiting to hear from NYU and the New School. But I think Hunter just surpasses everything... I could be wrong...

Here's the MFA acceptances blog: http://mfacw.blogspot.com/ I wish he'd update.


LaurenAnne


Mar 7, 2006, 5:41 PM

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I think he has been updating--he just doesn't change the date. Of course, the truth is that the website we're all really looking for is www.whichschoolisgoingtoacceptyouandwhen.com, but sadly nobody has started that one yet.


Aubrie


Mar 7, 2006, 6:06 PM

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I wasn't going to say. I got in at Hunter and Columbia. Still waiting to hear from NYU and the New School. But I think Hunter just surpasses everything... I could be wrong...

Here's the MFA acceptances blog: http://mfacw.blogspot.com/ I wish he'd update.



Well that's just silliness. You should post in Have You Heard and get your due congratulations! You must have a very, very strong writing sample! I would be very excited about both acceptances. Hunter seems so much more feasible financially, though, huh?

Let us know where you're going to end up! I'm sure there's some anxious waitlister out there waiting for you to turn someone down!!!

Now go post and CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!


(This post was edited by Aubrie on Mar 8, 2006, 12:33 AM)


Aubrie


Mar 7, 2006, 6:08 PM

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maybe there's hope? the blog website says that Columbia has sent out negs, too?

<crossing fingers ever so tight>


dintennessee


Mar 8, 2006, 1:14 PM

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Did the Brooklyn acceptance come by mail, phone, or e-mail?

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pitselah


Mar 8, 2006, 1:26 PM

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It came by phone.


Clench Million
Charles

Mar 17, 2006, 1:57 PM

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Hi Eric, I remember you from the who-got-in thing. And happy, "man-facting," TK's blog?
Its funny to see how small this wannabe-writer community is.


happycat


Mar 17, 2006, 3:02 PM

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Or how widely-read TK is. (For those who haven't seen it yet, it's at http://creative-writing-mfa-handbook.blogspot.com/)


gymnick


May 7, 2006, 2:27 AM

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Congrats- I was deciding between Emerson and Sarah Lawrence and decided to go with Sarah Lawrence (but I'm in nonfiction) but that was until I heard from the New School. Now I don't know what to do though it's not a bad dilemma to have. Any thoughts about SL vs. New School?

Thanks.


blueberry


May 7, 2006, 2:09 PM

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i recently chose between TNS and SLC for nonfiction - and went with Sarah Lawrence. They're definitely two very different programs - TNS being very fast-paced with little personal attention, night classes and a bit disorganized. But the location is great and a lot of graduates seem to be publishing. I went with SLC because Jo Ann Beard is there, because of the weekly one on one conferences with faculty and because I'm hoping to complete a pretty hefty project and feel like I might be distracted at TNS. Have you visited either? If not, you should. They have very distinct and different personalities. Good luck...and maybe I'll see you in the fall?


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Charles

May 7, 2006, 2:21 PM

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Anecdotally, I've heard better stuff about the New School than SL. If it was me, I'd go with TNS easily just based on location.
A lot of people I talked to at Columbia before deciding to go there had very positive feelings about TNS program and considered it the only rival to Columbia in terms of program quality in the NYC area. Most of the faculty seem pretty interesting there.
What genre are you going for?


gymnick


May 8, 2006, 12:03 AM

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I'm feeling very torn at the moment. I just heard from TNS, which had been a top choice earlier in the process because of the practicality of the program and it's location. i'm very much a city girl and I wasn't thrilled by the idea of living in westchester and commuting. but when I didn't hear from the TNS, I chose SLC over Emerson. I thought I was happy with that decision until I heard from TNS. Now, I'm feeling very undecided. If you wouldn't mind delving further into why you went with SLC instead of TNS, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks.


blueberry


May 8, 2006, 11:38 AM

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First, let me say that I think both TNS and SLC are fine programs - the faculty at TNS is stellar. A good friend of mine also had to choose between SLC and TNS - he chose The New School, the right decision for him, I'm certain. I was really torn before visiting the two schools, but afterwards, my gut instinct kicked in.
The only, only con on my list at SLC is the location, and the only pro of TNS was location. Faculty-wise, for me, SLC is better. While I admire people like Vivian Gornick and Philip Lopate very much, I think Jo Ann Beard (at SLC) is brilliant, I know from friends that she's also a great teacher and have heard the same of Vijay Seshadri. I also sat in on a class taught by Lawrence Weschler that was revelatory.
TNS wouldn't let me sit in on a class. I understand not sitting in on a workshop, because that's such a personal thing, but no class? This attitude seemed to pervade every communication I had with the program there. In retrospect, I had a series of pretty lame experiences when I visited. I asked if I could talk with a student, again - no. They said I could attend a public forum, which I did, and basically tap someone on the shoulder. I asked if I could meet with a faculty member or program rep. - this seemed like a big imposition ( I was in NY for 3 days from California and trying to accomplish as much as possible while I was there). I finally met with a program coordinator, though they wouldn't make an appt. - just "pop by" the office. While I was in her office, Robert Polito strolled in. She tried to introduce me, he either didn't hear or pretended not to, and she pretended she'd never tried. It was awkward and kind of funny, but along with everything else, just added to the lameness of it all. Other students I met who were deciding between SLC and TNS had similar experieces. As did my friend. He's really into living in the city, wasn't a fan of the sleepy hollow factor of Westchester, likes the fast-paced, no hand holding, looseness of TNS, and doesn't mind the lack of organization.
I like the bi-weekly conferences with faculty at SLC. I loved the class I sat in on. The thesis project I want to work on is a collection of autobiographical stories and I think SLC's faculty/program is better suited for that than TNS's. I'm not bothered too much by the commute or living in Westchester....
It still nags at me from time to time. There are a couple other programs (west coast) that I was also really interested in, and passed up for SLC. But I've talked to and worked with students, faculty & staff now at SLC - all of them have been super helpful, responsive and pretty frank about the program's strengths and weaknesses. So, I feel like I know what I'm getting into - for better or worse - and I don't think I could say the same for TNS.
Incidentally, I also visited Columbia and met with students there. There was definitely a "don't go to SLC" vibe, which generally seemed to stem from the belief that the SLC's program is not as rigorous as Columbia's. I think that's probably true, in terms of the course load/reading requirements. But I'm not really worried about it - I'm looking at these two years as a time to hunker down and write, to finish a major project, and believe I can take care of myself when it comes to rigor - both in reading of literature and in writing. What I'm not interested in is clawing my way up for access to faculty - which was the vibe at Columbia and TNS. I don't want to spend my energy competing for attention, fellowships, etc. in an MFA program. I want to spend it getting the work done, writing. And I think I'll be able to do that at SLC.
In the end, all you can do is make your best educated guess, right? SLC fits my goals, but I can totally see that it doesn't fit my friend's goals, and plenty of people's goals. One way I plan to "fill out" SLC's program is by attending TNS's public forums, doing internship work & utilizing the vast literary resources that NY offers.
I say, figure out first what you want out of the program & where you'd feel most comfortable/able to write. Whichever program you choose, you'll be giving up - something - because both have so much to offer. It is a pretty wonderful decision you get to make. Though it's nerve-wracking for sure.
I hope this helps. I wish you the best of luck wherever you end up. I wish both of us, all of us really, best of luck over these next few years in MFA-land!


Rosita


Jun 25, 2006, 5:34 PM

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I just found this site today because I just starting thinking about applying for Fall 2007 admission for a Poetry MFA. The schools I am considering (thanks to you all for your helpful posts!) are: CCNY, Hunter, Brooklyn, Columbia, the New School and NYU.
Since I am a working adult over 40 I doubt if I will be able to take a break from my day job so the CUNY schools at the moment seem the most feasible.
Some of the websites of the above schools/programs are very helpful and answer most of my questions, however, can someone answer the following:
Which schools beside Hunter require the GRE?
Which provide financial aid?
How many applications is too many?
The Brooklyn College site especially seems the most devoid of detailed info.


Lglabor


Jun 26, 2006, 11:58 AM

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I'm also probably going to apply to CUNY schools. And I too am a full-time worker over (way over) 40. Plus I have no money and can't afford to go further into debt, and could live without taking the GRE. I've been investigating and this is what I've found: As far as I can tell, the Hunter program is full-time during the day, so I've ruled it out. A new program is starting at Queens College in Fall 2007. Queens, Brooklyn and City are all mostly night classes and it is possible to go through any of them as a part-time student. Queens and City don't require the GRE; I'm not sure about Brooklyn. I think they each offer some type of financial aid and/or teaching assistantships, and tuition is about as low as you're going to find anywhere--this past academic year I think it was $270 per credit.

I'm fiction so I don't know which program is strongest in poetry, but I recommend that you get in touch with each and direct your questions to them. They're very friendly and open to answering questions. I've been in touch with all via email, and now I'm setting up appointments to talk in person over the summer. As for quality, Brooklyn looks fantastic to me, but again, this is fiction.

I'll apply to NYU too, mostly because I work here and would get free tuition if I got in. But I know it's almost impossible to get in, and anyway, although it's considered one of the best, NYU's program doesn't really appeal to me. I think I'd be much happier at a CUNY school, in a working-class environment, and from what I hear about Brooklyn and City, and what I infer about how Queens will be based on my communications with their founding faculty so far, students can expect to work much more closely with and get much more personal attention from faculty at these schools than at many of the way more expensive ones.

By the way, Rutgers-Newark is starting an MFA program in Fall 2007 too. Fiction faculty will be Jayne Ann Phillips and Tayari Jones--both big wows for me. No other details are available yet, but Newark is of course just a PATH ride from Manhattan.

So me, I'll probably apply to four--NYU and the three CUNY schools--or maybe five, if Rutgers is affordable. If you can afford NYU, New School, or Columbia, I don't see why it would be too much to apply to them plus the CUNY schools. Good luck!


Clench Million
Charles

Jun 26, 2006, 1:07 PM

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Columbia gives partial financial aid to a few people and a few possibilities for a free ride + stipend second year. NYU provides partial to a few and a full ride to a handful (maybe only one in each genre). Both are pretty bad with their funding. I'm not positive about TNS, but I believe its the same as those two, maybe even worse.

Tom Kealey's blog recommends 8 to 12 applications. So your list doesn't read like "too many" to me.

Personally I think TNS and Columbia have great faculty all around, and both have good poets. NYU's faculty is few and far between and mostly unimpressive.


Rosita


Jun 26, 2006, 8:56 PM

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You're right...Hunter is full time only. I called Brooklyn today and they do not require the GRE.
Thanks for the tips on the other schools. Looks as if my list is narrowing down...I plan to go to as many open houses as I can when they are announced. No harm in researching them all.


caolanm


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Hi--I just wanted to let you know that although Hunter is full-time, which might make the workload tough for you, all of the Hunter classes start at 5:30 or later. So if you can leave work some days at 5 (depending on where you work) you shouldn't have trouble getting to class. Brooklyn College may be the same but I'm not entirely sure.


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Elika619


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Hey all,

I just wanted to see if anyone else would be attending Columbia's open house for prospective MFA students this Monday, November 13th. I will be there. Let me know!

Elika


Aubrie


Nov 7, 2006, 12:44 PM

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I'll probably be there. PM me!


Lglabor


Jan 31, 2007, 12:12 PM

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I wasn't sure where to put this, but thought some folks might be interested: NYU's MFA program has a new director: Deborah Landau, a poet. She starts next week so I wonder what her role will be in the current round of admissions.

Here's a link to the announcement: http://www.nyu.edu/...releases/detail/1383


Aubrie


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I know there are a few of us on this forum who got into TNS. Are you all planning on going? I think I'm pretty set on it, though I do have reservations about the lighter courseload. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Also - is anyone as excited as I am about the faculty there?!


CHughes77


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Hey Aubrie. I'm pretty set on going, and very excited about the professors. I'm not at all concerned about the workload--I want time to write my book. And besides, looking at this semester's "writer's life colloquium" schedule, it seems as though that accounts for a large part of the learning. There are amazing events almost every night. Overall, the New School program, to me at least, feels less like academia and more like a serious apprenticeship. I like that a lot.


steven.earl


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I was recently accepted to The New School for fiction. I am incredibly excited. The faculty is amazing.

I attended one of their Fiction Forums a few weeks back and was able to talk with a few other first year fiction writers. They PRAISED the program.

It's going to be a great two years.


mrshankly


Apr 30, 2007, 5:35 PM

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"Columbia gives partial financial aid to a few people and a few possibilities for a free ride + stipend second year. NYU provides partial to a few and a full ride to a handful (maybe only one in each genre). Both are pretty bad with their funding. I'm not positive about TNS, but I believe its the same as those two, maybe even worse."

The information about NYU is inaccurate. Two to three first-years are awarded New York Times Fellowships, which include full tuition remission and a stipend of 20k. Beyond that, Departmental Fellowships, which provide half-tuition remission, are awarded to nearly everyone. (I'm a second-year and I literally don't know a single person who doesn't have at least this level of support. Perhaps if you come in off the waitlist...)

At NYU, you take 8 points per semester; the Departmental Fellowship would cover 4 of those points. The cost is around $1000/point, so if you have a Departmental Fellowship, you'll be paying around $8000/year for tuition, or $16000 for the 2-year degree. I'm not sure what the figures are for other NYC programs, but I suspect the cost of NYU is, at the very least, competitive.

Other fellowship opportunities at NYU: the Goldwater Writing Project, through which writers work with severely disabled adults; the Starworks Teaching Project, through which students work with children who are hospitalized or environmentally at-risk.

7 Goldwater Fellows per year; each earns $3000.
14 Starworks Fellows per year:
1 earns full tuition remission, plus a stipend of 20k;
4 earn yearly stipends of $5000;
9 earn yearly stipends of $3000.

You also get to teach an introductory creative writing workshop during your second year. You're paid as an adjunct, obviously. And it's also possible to teach in the Expository Writing Program, which carries full tuition remission and stipend.

I'm not claiming that NYU offers support comparable to that at Virginia or Indiana or Cornell, but please do not lump us in with Columbia. You don't have to rack up 100k in debt to go to school here.


Aubrie


Apr 30, 2007, 7:18 PM

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In defense of The New School as well - even without funding the degree is considerably less expensive than Columbia (who hasn't updated their website for current tuition, but lists 2003-2004 at $33,000) - at around $20,000 a year. Plus, it seems that TNS has made an effort to fund quite a few accepted students this year, making considerable dents in their tuition fees solely through scholarships - no strings attached.

Would I have loved to attend Columbia? Yes. Am I thrilled that I won't be drowning in debt when I finish my degree? Hell yeah. When you consider that TNS shares a lot of faculty with Columbia - the deal gets even sweeter.


(This post was edited by Aubrie on Apr 30, 2007, 10:35 PM)


Clench Million
Charles

Apr 30, 2007, 10:04 PM

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Since we are on the topic I'll just say that Columbia recently incorporated the grad program with the undergrad and has a fair amount more funding and the incoming class will have a lot more fellowship money. I'll also just note that if you are comparing Columbia to NYU one needs to keep in mind that NYU's program provides only half the education. You pay per credit and are only expected to 8 credits a semester as opposed to 15 or more in most programs. That has its upsides and down, great if you want to work an outside job for a lot of hours a week for example, but something to consider.


Aubrie


Apr 30, 2007, 10:10 PM

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Clench - that's awesome news. Columbia is one of the strongest programs in the nation, and if they figure out their funding they're sure to be fair competition with the very best.


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Charles

Apr 30, 2007, 10:16 PM

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Yeah, although I have no idea how it will affect the current class so maybe not awesome news for me :(
Also, John Kluge just donated 400 million dollars to Columbia earmarked for financial aid. I have absolutely no idea how or when that money will go into effect, but one would hope at least a little would go to the School of the Arts and the writing program.... considering the state of things.

Also, congrats on the New School, Aubrie. I know you wanted NYC and it is a great program with great teachers.


hamlet3145


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You pay per credit and are only expected to 8 credits a semester as opposed to 15 or more in most programs.



To the best of my knowlege it's standard at most MFA programs students take 9 credits, i.e. three classes, per semester. (With a few thesis credits thrown in once in a while). I can't imagine taking 15 credits (5 classes) per semester as a grad student. Yikes. Maybe you are thinking of the undergrad program where more credits is the norm?


Aubrie


Apr 30, 2007, 10:46 PM

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Also, congrats on the New School, Aubrie. I know you wanted NYC and it is a great program with great teachers.






Thanks Clench! Columbia was my first choice, but TNS was a very close second, and the more I learn about the program, the more excited I get to start it!



(This post was edited by Aubrie on Apr 30, 2007, 10:51 PM)


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Charles

Apr 30, 2007, 10:49 PM

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No, I'm talking grad. I could be wrong that this is how the majority work, I'm trying to find info online but most of the programs don't have the specifics up that I can see.

Keep in mind that grad classes are normally only one day a week though and also that not all classes are three credits in grad school. For example, NYU's workshops are 4 credits and they have craft classes that are 4 credit classes. At Columbia workshops are double the length of regular classes and are 6 credits, while regular classes are 3. Amherst lists their workshops as being 6 credits. Cornell's website lists the classes as being between 4 and 5 credits each.

So depending on where you are going, a 9 credit semester would only be 2 classes, each only one day a week. As I said, it depends on your needs. If you want to work full time and just take two classes on one day of the week to get your MFA there you go. If you want to immerse yourself in a program and take a wide variety of classes you'd have to be taking 15 or more a week. Personally I can't imagine taking less than 5 classes. If I was taking only two classes for a total of 5 hours of time a week I wouldn't even feel like I was in grad school.

ETA: whoops, I meant I'd feel weird taking less than 4 classes, 15 credits. 5 classes might be excessive, given the credit distribution, unless one was a 1/2 credit class that only meet a few times in the semester.


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Aubrie


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So Clench - would you mind telling us what classes you are are taking this semester, just to get an idea?


hamlet3145


May 1, 2007, 11:06 AM

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Clench,

Honestly did not know that. See, it pays to hang out on these forums! As an interesting comparison, Alabama's MFA requires 48 credits and it's pretty common for folks to take four years. Think UMASS is the same way. Most do Montana in two years which is a 45 credit degree though 12 of those credits can be thesis credits which leaves 33 "real" credits or an average of 8.25 per semester.


mrshankly


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"I'll also just note that if you are comparing Columbia to NYU one needs to keep in mind that NYU's program provides only half the education. You pay per credit and are only expected to 8 credits a semester as opposed to 15 or more in most programs. That has its upsides and down, great if you want to work an outside job for a lot of hours a week for example..."

Or if you care about something as silly as having additional time to write. But to each his/her own. If you want to spend potential writing time sitting through a third class each week, go for it. If you want to spend $100,000 on your MFA, have at it. I was simply pointing out that to know nothing about the NYU funding situation and to compare us with a program that is synonymous with "cash cow" is totally unfair.

You're correct that NYU's workshops constitute 4 points. We meet once a week for 3 hours. Columbia's workshops are worth 6 points; how long do you meet per session? 4 hours? 4.5? Or do you meet for 3 hours, like most graduate workshops, and pay 50% more for the privilege? Perhaps money is not an issue for some. Alas, it was (and is) for me.



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May 1, 2007, 1:05 PM

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This question of how credit hours break down at each school is interesting. To some extent it might gauge the importance a program places on education (as the term has been used earlier in this discussion) v. the creative product.
A program like the one Clench has described seems to combine the academic workload of an MA with the MFA's workshop.

If I'm misreading you, Clench, please correct me.

For perspective: 24 of UVA's 48 credits are "non-topical research". We only take two "real" classes (6 credit hours) a semester: the workshop and another graduate course (most often craft or lit, but there is freedom to move outside the department if something apropos catches your eye. Other programs even allow students to double up with workshops in two genres for a semester with no academic work whatsoever.

To be honest 3 hours of craft/lit is plenty for me. Each additional "academic" class ultimately cuts into my writing time, and I've found it difficult to devote myself to the work I'm really here for when there are several papers/essays and loads of assigned reading hanging over my head.


Clench Million
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May 1, 2007, 2:06 PM

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Shankly, it depends on how you do things. Personally I find myself writing far more with my other classes as they push me to try new things and expose me to new material. I feel like an MFA should provide you with a full graduate experience and not be little more than four workshops over 2 years, but that is only my opinion.

Columbia's program gives full rides to several students and seems to provide as many as NYU does with half or 1/3 funding. So yes, I do think it is a fair comparison on that level. The program overall will still cost more, but it also provides you with much more in terms of classes. Again, if you don't want to learn from professors and take craft classes and only think that the workshop is important that is your prerogative. I don't look down on it. I'm only pointing out that comparing a program with half the classes but arguing on a per semester pay basis seems a bit fallacious. It is almost like comparing a 1 year to 2 year program.

Columbia's workshops are 3 hours and 6 credits, like most of the programs I looked up online. We don't pay 50% more because Columbia doesn't charge per credit like NYU does. Taking 12 or 15 or 18 credits all costs the same standard tuition, like the normal university way of doing things. I also noted that NYU's craft classes are listed as being 4 credits instead of the standard 3, so lets not get to quibbly here. I'm not attacking any program, just pointing out the differences and saying different program styles will appeal to different people in different situations.


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Clench Million
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A program like the one Clench has described seems to combine the academic workload of an MA with the MFA's workshop.

If I'm misreading you, Clench, please correct me.


No, I wouldn't put it that way. My program and from what I understand of others like it, do not require you take any academic classes, they are all craft classes. I would assume a craft class on prose poetry here would be the same as one at UVA. No academic type lit classes, thankfully.

I was a little confused by what you mean by UVA's research credits, but a 60 credit program is only one 3 credit class more a semester than a 48 credit one.

Like I said before, it is a matter of finding a program that works for you. Personally I have been getting a whole lot out of my professors and my craft classes, knoweldge that will last with me throughout my writing career hopefully, so I am glad we take more than 2 classes a semester. I'd like to view an MFA as both time to write AND time to learn.

I can't say as I really understand how adding a craft class or even two would really cut into someone's writing time, unless they were working full time or needed to write 8 hours a day. A craft class is literally only 2 hours a week with probably not more than an hour or two of homework. I write several hours a day and still have plenty of free time.


edwriter



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Hi, everyone. Thought I'd post this here because it's definitely connected with MFA programs in NYC.

As many of you know, The City University of New York (CUNY) is the overall home for a number of excellent graduate writing programs (as previously mentioned on this thread: Hunter College, City College, Brooklyn College, Queens College [not to be confused with Queen's University in Canada or Queens University in Charlotte]). CUNY also has some pretty impressive writers teaching in its undergraduate programs in both the senior and community colleges. (I've learned a lot more about all these programs since I began my [nonacademic] job at CUNY earlier this year.)

On Thursday, May 10, many of these faculty writers will be presenting a "Marathon Reading" at the Graduate Center in Manhattan. This event is free and open to the public. Click here for details and a partial listing of the readers.

Best,
Erika D.


Quiet Americans: Stories
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switchthai


May 8, 2007, 5:32 PM

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here's the perspective of one BROKE student who has just taken Columbia over TNS -

I accepted an offer from TNS - four hours later, I recieved word that I'd been admitted to Columbia off of the waitlist. I agonized over the decision for a few weeks, and even considered not attending grad school this year, at all. Finally, I chose Columbia for the following reasons:

1. Not sure how the "credit hours" compare, but at Columbia, students take 1x workshop and 3x other classes / semester, one of which can be a class almost ANYWHERE in Columbia's world-class university. At TNS, I would only be able to take 1x workshop and 1x literature class, and would be barred from cross-registering in other classes. I believe that writers benefit from exposure to ideas and knowledge outside of the craft of writing, especially when it comes to non-fiction writers like myself.

2. I don't immediately assume that my MFA is going to result in a book deal. It's quite likely that I will be looking for employment not-related to writing after I graduate. Realistically, the name "Columbia" has a value outside of the world of writing. Like it or not, people hear the name and their eyes light up, as if you're some kind of friggin genius just for having gone there. I think this will have a $$$ value post-MFA.

3. I believe that the exposure and networks I build because of Columbia's stature and the intensity of its program will benefit me post-graduation.

4. I know I want to go to school in NYC, because of the supposedly increased publishing contacts, the inspiration i get from being in that vibrant city, and because of increased professional opportunities in other fields (I work in live music, film, and video production. This is flexible, high-paying work, and if i'm lucky, i'll be able to support myself via production while i'm in school.) If I'm going to go to a big-name program in NYC, I'm going to end up in debt. Why go to a less intensive and less presitigious (though obviously strong) program? If I'm going to spend 2 years and go 30k into debt, why not spend 2 years and double that for a program that i'm hoping will benefit me exponentially more?

All of these reasons are arguably insane, I admit. I know that I'll be in debt for a long time, and that I'll be eating nothing but macaroni and cheese for the next two years. Still I am gambling that my own ability to make connections and create opportunities for myself, along with the value of a columbia degree bring good results both within the world of writing and without. If I am wrong, I'll be be 26 when I graduate and have my whole life to pay down the debt.

Am I scared? Hell yes. Am I excited? Damn straight. Wish me luck.


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jacarty
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May 9, 2007, 12:51 PM

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guy or girl. i love someone w/ big cahones (spelling) :)

good luck! I wish i had such a good thought process when I was your age. When I was 23 and graduating from college, I was freaked about a small amount of debt and took the first job i got offered (here I sit 9 years later)

Have a great time!


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rooblue


May 9, 2007, 2:22 PM

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cojones.
If you're going to use it, please spell it with respect.


Clench Million
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May 9, 2007, 2:56 PM

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Congrats akivaf. Both Columbia and TNS are excellent programs and I don't think you'd make a mistake going to either.

I think that most of your reasons are sound. Being allowed to take classes in any department at one of the best universities in the country is a big perk for Columbia students. As a slight correction, I'm pretty sure you can take more than one class anywhere in the university if you want. There is a certain minimum number of writing division classes you must take, but it isn't 2 per semester per se and anyway you can take up to 18 credits (1 workshop and 4 classes) without any extra charges.

The statue of Columbia and the NYC location are definitely big perks with tangible benefits. Many magazines and agencies look to Columbia for interns and such. I personally know a half dozen first years who have interned at the New Yorker and many who interned at other great places.

Anyway, please feel free to PM if you have any questions about Columbia, especially about workshop professors, classes to take, etc. I talked to a few second years going into the program and it definitely helped me to take the best classes my first semester.


jacarty
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cojones.
If you're going to use it, please spell it with respect.




thanks :)
further showing why i don't have them.


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renapoo


May 10, 2007, 11:55 AM

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Just fyi, when I met with Deborah Landau (the NYU program´s director), I asked her whether students ever take more than 2 classes a semester. She seemed surprised and said that while it´s possible, people rarely do it because there isn´t really time. Nor do I think it´s common for students at NYU to have full-time jobs while they´re in the program.


edwriter



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Hi, again:

This is a follow-up I'm posting here for anyone interested in the MFA programs within the schools of The City University of New York. CUNY's Office of Academic Affairs has recently launched a Web page that collects systemwide information (including links to each of the CUNY MFA programs). I can't claim any credit for the technical achievement, but I have helped assemble the content.

You can see the site (please bear in mind that it is still a work-in-progress) by clicking here.

Best,
Erika D.


Quiet Americans: Stories
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edwriter



Oct 19, 2007, 12:53 PM

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Just a quick update:

Hunter College's MFA program just received a nice write-up in the Village Voice.

And the Queens College MFA director is interviewed about that program in the new Poets & Writers.


Best,
Erika D.


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mrshankly


Nov 1, 2007, 1:54 PM

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If anybody's curious about NYU's program, there's a public event today (7 pm) at the Writers House at 58 W. 10th. It's a conversation, presumably about craft, between program alums A.M. Homes and Darin Strauss. Plenty of current and past students should be in attendance, I would imagine...

http://cwp.fas.nyu.edu/...ngSeriesCalendar.pdf


MissEsquire



Nov 21, 2007, 11:23 AM

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For those of you who attend or have applied to Brooklyn, when exactly did you apply for funding? Before you were accepted? After?


edwriter



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And still another update about a CUNY MFA program: You can hear the Queens College program director, poet Nicole Cooley, discuss the program in this podcast.

Best,
Erika D.


Quiet Americans: Stories
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sarah_sophia


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hey there,

can any one offer and feedback/opinions about the program at brooklyn? there are a couple of writers i love who have worked and taught there in the past, but then i looked at the the application fee - $125 - and now i'm not so sure. i'm not rich, and i need some convincing. there deadline is feb 1st so i should make up my mind soon, or take them off my list and find someone else.

so can anyone sell me this idea?


MissEsquire



Jan 11, 2008, 12:09 PM

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Does anyone know about the funding thing? Anyone? The procedures at CUNY are very different from any other school I've applied to.


edwriter



Jan 11, 2008, 12:14 PM

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Well, I don't know about "selling" you on the idea. In any case, I don't have direct experience with the program. I work at CUNY in an administrative capacity (and not on the BC campus).

But if you want to know more about the program, I'd suggest that you read the MFA material in last summer's Atlantic fiction issue (if you haven't read it already), which included some references to it. I'm frankly stunned by the application fee. It's not at all in keeping with the general affordability of CUNY programs (should you actually attend the program, you'd likely find it much more affordable, tuition-wise, than many programs of similar reputation; living in NYC is another matter, of course). If you find the application fee unmanageable perhaps you should let the program know and see if they have any suggestions.

That's my (very) unofficial advice.

Good luck.

Best,
Erika D.


Quiet Americans: Stories
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edwriter



Jan 11, 2008, 12:18 PM

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Are you talking about CUNY or (as indicated in the subject line) SUNY? Have you checked with the program(s) for the most accurate/up-to-date information?

Best,
Erika D.


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MissEsquire



Jan 11, 2008, 12:50 PM

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Right. Confusing. I meant CUNY (Brooklyn). They state on their website that you should apply for funding after applying to the school, but does that mean before you are accepted, or after an acceptance?


sarah_sophia


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that's reassuring about the more affordable tuition, and relieves my anxieties, a little.

thanks!


edwriter



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Truthfully, I don't know. If I were you, I'd contact the program directly to find out.

Good luck!

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Erika D.


Quiet Americans: Stories
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edwriter



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Hello, everyone:

Two new items concerning the writing programs of The City University of New York:

1) If you're planning to attend the AWP conference at month's end, you can find a streamlined schedule of CUNY-affiliated AWP events here.

2) And whether you're going to AWP or not, you may want to check out this podcast of last spring's "marathon" faculty reading.

Enjoy!

Best,
Erika D.


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vmalone
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Feb 9, 2008, 9:10 PM

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Did anyone apply to Hunter (CUNY)?? I'm also confused about the financial aid question. if anyone finds out if we are supposed to apply before we are accepted, I'd love to hear.


gourmandette


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That's absolute misinformation. My partner was working in the telecom industry during his MFA at NYU, and he had to fly to Dallas three days a week. He finished the program with no problem.

If you HAVE to work -- which many of us do -- while you do an MFA, you can work it out in most cases. Columbia seems to be the one exception in the city, but I'm still going to talk to them to see if I can work it out. It depends on money though, as well.


liamolly


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Has anyone actually received a rejection from Brooklyn (fiction)? Waiting kills. :(


jerseycavalier


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No, and what's worse is that there is no telephone contact for the MFA admissions. The English department people have no information other than it's all in the process of going out. I e-mailed Mark Patkowski yesterday, but have received no word about anything. I know their first round already went out a month ago, so I have to assume nothing means you're still in the running or on an unofficial waitlist kind of thing.


liamolly


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See, yeah, I assumed no news was better and started to have all this crazy kind of hope... but then when no rejections were popping up I got to thinking that maybe all the good news has gone out, just not the bad. Thanks for the info though!


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Hello
I'm waitlisted at NYU in fiction. I was wondering 2 things:
1) Is anybody planning on turning down NYU (fiction)?
2) Did everyone get waitlisted on the same day? I found out by email on March 14.
Thanks
and good luck everyone
Also, if anybody has any information about the NYU waitlist (how long the waitlist is, etc), please let me know..
thanks


Vivian E. Moore


k&d


Mar 30, 2008, 9:21 AM

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Anyone who got accepted to Bard planning on not attending? Please inform them right away! I've been waitlisted and I'm still hoping.


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I don't know if fiction is like poetry, but I know NYU wait-listed in two groups for poetry. One went out on the 14th, and the other on the 20th. Hope that helps.


vmoore


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Thanks for the info indievirtue
I had a theory that there were two waitlist tiers and that I was on the lower one.... According to Seths' blog, NYU accepted people on the 20th. My theory is that they notified the lower ranked waitlisters on the 14th, but held on to the higher ranked names until the 20th. That way, if an accepted applicant turned down an offer of admission immediately on the 20th, NYU could just go down the list and "accept" someone they had been planning to waitlist (so they would just think they were accepted, and would never know they had been about to be waitlisted). So that would mean the waitlisters notified on the 20th were higher ranked. Does that make sense? I think I'm obsessing about this too much....
anyway thanks for the info!


Vivian E. Moore


indievirtue


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I have no idea, but I totally sympathize with your madness. If it makes you feel any better, I received my waitlist notification on the 20th, but it came via e-mail before any calls were made. I am wondering if anyone who is waitlisted for poetry or fiction has gotten off yet at NYU...


dcti


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I also received my waitlist letter at NYU on the 14th. It's the only semi-positive response I've gotten so far (rejected everywhere else and waiting for UNLV) so I'm also pretty anxious about it.


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Did anyone else who was rejected from NYU receive a letter asking you to apply to the Draper Program in Humanities and Social Thought? It struck me as kind of odd, an implied, "We don't particularly like your writing, but we would still like your $50,000," and I'm wondeing if they send them out to every rejected applicant. Also, their deadline for Fall admission is July 1, which I read as a catch-all for students who had been rejected from their first-choice programs. Just curious.


ovni1013


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I got this too, and I agree with you completely. It's the old bait-and-switch. It's similar to what Brooklyn did, but at least those people were offered something in the general field of English/literature. NYU might as well have invited me to apply for a program in organic chemistry.


Lglabor


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I got this last year too, and felt the same. Then some months later I happened to meet and talk with a Draper faculty member and I mentioned this letter and referred to it as "ambulance chasing." While she laughed, she said that the offer is not sent to everyone the MFA program rejects, but rather to a top layer -- I guess those just below the waitlist level. If this is any small comfort.


ignorantsun


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Haha. Brooklyn didn't offer me anything. In fact, they sent me a preemptive rejection. I wish I had saved it. It was something along the lines of "Though we have not yet finalized out acceptances, we'd like you to know you won't be among them. You will receive your official rejection letter next week." Wow. I can hardly wait. Better than Hunter though, who still won't give me any indication of my app. status. I would like to motion that we change this thread's title to "The Manhattan Project," to better reflect the diabolical secrecy and mystery that shroud the MFA application process.


noah


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I'm working on assembling my 'list' - I won't be leaving the NYC area for personal reasons. Considering how selective and poorly funded the NYC programs are (I found this out the hard way last time around), I will be considering schools withing, say, 100 miles of NYC.

So they aren't exactly NYC programs, but how about:

Rutgers Newark
Rutgers Camden
SUNY Stony Brook Southampton
Adelphi
Long Island University

Any thoughts on these programs, or schools to add to this list?


MattElz
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I am seriously considering a nonfiction MFA at one of the CUNYs.

Here's my criteria:

-classes available at night/weekends (I work f/t and can't afford to stop)

-my interest is long-form, narrative book-writing (as opposed to memoir)

Please let me know anything you know about these programs and/or how they compare. Thanks.


deonne


Aug 29, 2008, 10:13 AM

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Matt,

I'm about to start an MFA at Queens College in fiction. It's a new and promising program, with an excellent faculty that seems willing to bend over backward to make it a great experience for the students. Classes are in the late afternoon or evening, and the mood is exciting and ambitious. I'm thrilled to be there.

Queens doesn't have an official nonfiction track, but since I've got a dual fascination with fiction and nonfiction I may attempt a hybrid MFA to cover both genres. I have to discuss it further with the director, Nicole Cooley, but she seems amenable to working with me on this. So I recommend you consider Queens, since it seems likely that they'll have a nonfiction track at some point soon, and certainly the more interest from potential students, the more likely it is that will happen.

There's also the Writer's Institute at CUNY's Graduate Center, which is a non-degree program, but seems terrific - definitely worth a look. http://www.cuny.edu/creativewriting

Feel free to contact me off list if you'd like to discuss this further. Best of luck to you!

Regards,

Deonne


flatiron10


Oct 18, 2008, 7:45 PM

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For anyone in the NY area that is interested in the CUNY Queens College MFA, the program is having an open house and launch party on Monday, November 10th from 6-8. I know when I was applying, the open houses I went to were useful in showing the kind of personalities I'd be working with.

Details: http://queenscollegemfa.blogspot.com/2008/10/mfa-open-houseozone-park-launch.html


v1ctorya


Dec 18, 2008, 2:33 PM

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Just a note for those considering NYC schools to keep an eye on our economic crisis. They're talking of raising tuition rates for all SUNY and CUNY schools, subway hikes, taxing clothes, soda, music, movies, etc., etc.. .

as if it wasn't expensive enough to live here.


meganmassaro


Dec 18, 2008, 11:12 PM

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thanks for putting that out there. my husband is going to have to find a job wherever i decide to go, and since he's in finance, that seems like another strike against those new york schools i applied to...


AncaLS


Dec 24, 2008, 2:22 PM

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I'm trying to find out more about City College's program, especially in fiction. They have a 9 credit requirement in "Critical Practice" courses (aside from workshops, literature, etc), but don't really explain it is. Anyone know what this might be?


(This post was edited by AncaLS on Dec 24, 2008, 2:23 PM)


edwriter



Jan 29, 2009, 9:44 AM

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Hi, everyone:

As some of you may recall, I work at CUNY (in the Central Office, where I'm in the Office of Academic Affairs). I thought I'd mention a new cross-campus, cross-genre reading series that's been put together by the four MFA programs (Brooklyn, City, Hunter, and Queens). It's called the "Turnstyle" series, and its first event is scheduled for Monday, February 9. Click here for the details on that particular evening. And please visit the centralized Creative Writing at CUNY site for a list of additional upcoming events.

(Please note: I'm not an expert on the details of individual programs--please continue to reach out to the individual programs/campuses themselves for specific questions.)

Thanks,
Erika


Quiet Americans: Stories
http://www.erikadreifus.com



mollygolightly


Jan 29, 2009, 1:43 PM

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Hey there,

Did anyone else apply to the New School for Fiction? They extended their deadline and I submitted mine the day of the deadline. According to the admissions dept, I should have received a student number so I can track my application online. Did anyone else get an id number and instructions on how to track your submissions?

Thanks,

Molly


Mpehn


Jan 30, 2009, 1:05 PM

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I applied as well to New School, Molly. The only things I really received were, "thanks for applying!" and:

"This is to confirm that we have received your application, and we look forward to reviewing it. Thank you!"

I don't think I got any student ID number or anything. It's looking like we'll just have to wait it out and see the results in the mail.


(This post was edited by Mpehn on Jan 30, 2009, 1:06 PM)


shellypants


Jan 30, 2009, 3:08 PM

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Hi Molly
I applied to New School before Christmas and they sent a letter confirming they received the application. The letter has a login ID for their system so you can check the progress of your application. So far my number hasn't worked and I ended up calling them to check they had everything they needed from me. It took over 3 weeks for that letter to arrive so I wouldn't get worried, there is possibly just a backlog. Maybe just call the admissions department directly and ask that they have everything if you are concerned? I was glad I did because I was missing something, and given my login wasn't working I would have never known.
Good luck


mollygolightly


Jan 30, 2009, 8:14 PM

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Oh that's a relief. Thanks shelllypants!


In Reply To
Hi Molly
I applied to New School before Christmas and they sent a letter confirming they received the application. The letter has a login ID for their system so you can check the progress of your application. So far my number hasn't worked and I ended up calling them to check they had everything they needed from me. It took over 3 weeks for that letter to arrive so I wouldn't get worried, there is possibly just a backlog. Maybe just call the admissions department directly and ask that they have everything if you are concerned? I was glad I did because I was missing something, and given my login wasn't working I would have never known.
Good luck



tonimac


Jan 31, 2009, 7:42 PM

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I applied to the New School and got that same letter. I had no idea they extended their deadline. Is that a good sign or a bad sign? A sign at all? I'm wigging out with all the waiting.

I'm a little annoyed with The New School anyway considering they MOVED their admissions office over winter break and didn't tell anyone until that nice little mass email I got AFTER I mailed my things in. Awesome. I resent everything but when I checked my application status online, they received all the things I sent first to the WRONG address so...no harm no foul but way to give me a heart condition, New School. Jesus.


Mpehn


Feb 2, 2009, 12:48 PM

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Still, all I've gotten is a "thanks for applying." Nothing about moving, nothing about a deadline, nothing about an ID number. I did apply by the deadline, but not early. So I imagine it's just backed up?


tonimac


Feb 3, 2009, 3:19 PM

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It might be, but I'd call anyway. Just to make sure all your application materials are in.


mollygolightly


Feb 7, 2009, 1:54 PM

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In Reply To
It might be, but I'd call anyway. Just to make sure all your application materials are in.


Just to back you up on this, I called on Thursday and the woman (who was super-helpful and if you want her name you can PM me) looked through my file while we were on the phone. Turns out I was missing transcripts and one reccomendation. She said they still hadn't gotten through all the mail and that I should call her back the next day. So on Friday i called and the missing rec and transcripts turned up. She confirmed that my file would be sent to the department on Monday. She also said that she'd send me a confirmation email.

So I'd definitely call if you're worried, it seems to speed things up.

Molly


IrisAnn

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Mar 3, 2009, 6:08 PM

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Ok, the school isn't in NYC proper but...

has anyone heard from Syracuse's MFA program?


IrisAnn

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Mar 11, 2009, 12:10 PM

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I got an email from The New School today saying that they've extended their application deadline-- I didn't apply there, but was on their mailing list because of an interest in the school. I didn't apply there because of a lack of funding. Anyone with further insight as to what their funding is actually like?


noby1


Mar 11, 2009, 12:17 PM

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IrisAnn,

I applied to The New School program and have not heard a peep from them. Not even the e-mail that they extended their deadline. There is nothing on the school's web site about it either?

I don't know that much about the funding situation, though. Sorry.


lizlemon


Mar 26, 2009, 3:51 PM

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Is anyone actually considering that MA thing they offer when they reject you?? Just wondering... I didn't think I would consider it, but now I sort of am??


meganmassaro


Mar 26, 2009, 4:21 PM

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ditto. i never intended to get an MA, but now I'm reconsidering. I forwarded my application for review for the program while i debate moving from boston to NYC or boston to San Fran - the only other place i was accepted to. is there any point to an MA if you don't want to get your Ph.D? i know i would enjoy the studies, but is that practical?!


Chess


Apr 1, 2009, 2:35 AM

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I was waitlisted at NYU for fiction on the 25th. It's my only option and I was wondering if anybody had more info. They won't tell me how many ppl are on the list or my number. Has anyone else been accepted/waitlisted and planning on turning them down? Can anyone help me guesstimate my chances?


AncaLS


Apr 4, 2009, 12:52 PM

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So I applied to Brooklyn's MFA program. I have no beef with the MFA program. Brooklyn's Admissions Office, though, has got to be the most incompetent, dysfunctional and possibly corrupt office I have ever dealt with.

The short verison: Somehow, even though I already have an M.A., they suggested I transfer my application to the undergraduate division. After I emailed them back, they confirmed that they stand by this decision! (???)

The long verison:

I have a B.A. from McGill University (in Canada) and an M.A. from Teachers College at Columbia University. Because of my Canadian degree, I had to send my transcripts to a "foreign credential service" for evaluation. None of the other graduate schools I applied to this year (including two other CUNY colleges, City College and Hunter College) or back in 2005 required this.

There were three "approved" agencies and the one that seemed the most reasonably priced ended up costing about $215 ($190 for the service + $25 to receive your own copy of what they send to Brooklyn). This is on top of the $125 application fee to Brooklyn College. This agency decided that my degree is the equivalent of three years of study at a U.S. college (why, I'm not sure; Americans at McGill spend 4 years rather than the 3 years that Quebec students spend, for this reason; I studied for 4 years). The agency charges an additional $50 to re-evaluate whether they have made an error. If they agree that they made an error, you are refunded the $50, nothing else.

I dont understand how a college can charge $125 and then require you to send your transcripts to an outside agency for more exorbitant fees and then come up with such an absurd suggestion. What was $125 for? Moving my application from one corner of a desk to another?

In the end, I had copied my email to the Admissions office to the deputy director of the English department, the professor that receives writing samples and personal statements separately from Admissions, precisely for the reason that if we went through Admissions the English department would lose so many applications through a black hole. He wrote a sympathetic, apologetic email to me saying he agreed with my position and had forwarded my email to other administrators but that I probably should not hold my breath. I felt a little vindicated by that and see no reason to battle senseless bureaucrats, but I thought I might share my story here.


MissEsquire



Apr 4, 2009, 7:06 PM

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AncaLS, that so sucks. Is there any way you can get your money back from Brooklyn directly?

I applied to Brooklyn, having graduated from a Canadian university. When I got that ridiculous foreign accreditation letter I just phoned their admissions office and told them that I had a valid undergraduate degree. They didn't ask any questions and just changed my status on the computer. So, really, you should phone them up and ask to be compensated. Who knows if it'll do any good, but still.


AncaLS


Apr 5, 2009, 12:40 PM

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MissEsquire- who did you talk to there?

I had called them when I first received the demand to send my transcripts to the credential service and the woman on the phone was very blunt, saying they wouldn't consider me without it. I couldn't get a hold of anyone above her. I think I left a voicemail with the Graduate Admissions Coordinator (GAC) who never called me back.

Then I emailed GAC about the whole undergraduate thing and he was the one who said the credential service report was "unambiguous". I may also contact McGill just so they know what is going on (doubt that would do much, but who knows).

Maybe I should try to get my money back. I'm not sure who is above GAC, and GAC was not very helpful.


IrisAnn

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May 14, 2009, 10:04 PM

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Hi Chess, I was wondering if you ever heard back from the NYU waitlist... I too have no idea how many people are on it, but am most likely about to decline my position at the school....


grimson
Justin Bryant
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Jun 22, 2009, 4:21 PM

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This may be old news, but as an alum I just got an email from the NYU program director announcing that Zadie Smith is joining the tenured faculty in 2010. Jonathan Safran Foer and Jonathan Lethem will also be continuing full time, and on the poetry side, Anne Carson has left Michigan and is joining NYU this fall, and Charles Simic is returning for at least one additional year.


sdh11


Oct 20, 2009, 11:52 PM

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Hello,

I understand that Brooklyn College has very low tuition, but I can't find information on the website about whether it is possible to get a tuition waiver & stipend (through teaching assistantships, fellowships, etc.). Does anyone know if Brooklyn College offers assistantships or fellowships with full tuition waivers and stipends?

Thank you.


annavp


Nov 3, 2009, 4:07 PM

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BC mostly offers assistance through teaching appointments.


www.electricliterature.com (follow @electriclit for Rick Moody's new twitterable story.. starting nov. 30th)


edwriter



Apr 23, 2010, 2:33 PM

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Hello, all:

It's been awhile since I've posted in the Speakeasy--partly because my (non-teaching) job at CUNY is keeping me so busy! But I wanted to let you all know about a feature in CUNY's latest Salute to Scholars magazine. It profiles CUNY's creative writing programs, faculty, and journals. You can download the full issue at http://www.cuny.edu/...ions/sts-april10.pdf. (Please scroll to page 12 of the magazine to begin reading the main article and multiple sidebars.) Hope you enjoy!

And please visit http://www.cuny.edu/creativewriting, where yours truly tries to keep up with the fiction/nonfiction/poetry/translation goings-on around the University.

Best,
Erika


Quiet Americans: Stories
http://www.erikadreifus.com



edwriter



May 7, 2010, 11:42 AM

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Hi again, everyone:

Individual links are now available to the aforementioned CUNY MFA program spread:

http://www.cuny.edu/...0/author-author.html

http://www.cuny.edu/...nd-provide-them.html

http://www.cuny.edu/...l-balancing-act.html

http://www.cuny.edu/...terary-journals.html

http://www.cuny.edu/...ted-new-writers.html

http://www.cuny.edu/...mps-of-approval.html

Have a good weekend,
Erika D.


Quiet Americans: Stories
http://www.erikadreifus.com



patrickdunn


Sep 15, 2010, 4:06 PM

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Does anybody know the situation at Stony Brook Southampton? Specifically, how's the fiction program? Any chances of funding?

Thanks in advance!


DylanTaiNguyen


Aug 21, 2013, 1:09 AM

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Dear friends,

I apologize if this is not the ideal forum to post this. But... I'm a fiction writer—and MFA graduate—who's also a small business owner. I'm looking for a part-time office assistant; what I'm offering would be, I think, an ideal job for any MFA student. Please read below. I'd rather offer the job to a fellow scribe than anyone else!

Thank you for your time.

Get Paid while Working on your

Poems, Stories, Plays!


Small Test Prep Company, Run by Fiction Writer

Looking For Students to Proctor

Mock SAT/ACT Exams

at St. Francis College (Brooklyn Heights)

Accessible by A, C, E, F,

2, 3, 4, 5, 6, R trains



· Must be able to proctor weekend mornings
· And also work 3 to 6 hours Monday through Friday (morning or early afternoon: hours flexible) as administrative assistant

Advanced Skills
Typing speed (50 wpm)
Microsoft Word and Excel
Organizational skills

Intermediate Skills
Experience with Macintosh computers, scanners
Internet Research
Familiarity with the SAT, ACT, & college application process a plus

Basic Skills
Xeroxing
Filing
Mailing
Shopping for office supplies

Hours:
Flexible Hours Monday thru Friday
(Approximately 3 to 6 hours a week M through F)—varies every week

Must be able to work Saturday and Sundays (9:45 AM to 2 PM—sometimes 9:45 AM to 4 PM) proctoring SAT/ACT exams at St. Francis College in Brooklyn Heights.

However, proctoring exams is the best part of the job. You just have to tell students when to start and stop for certain sections. Compose, edit, find your Muse—while students are taking the test! You can also surf the internet.

The number of hours of work Monday through Friday varies from week to week—so please be aware of this fact. This situation could be ideal for students. For example, one week, you might want to work less because you have exams to study for.

Pay Rate: negotiable (Commensurate with office skills)

Other Info: Email your resume to MeritScholarsBill@Gmail.com


DylanTaiNguyen


Aug 21, 2013, 1:58 AM

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Hi everyone,
Oops. I misspelled my email address. It should be: MeritScholarsBilling@Gmail.com.
Thanks.




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