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pongo
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Oct 24, 2005, 2:26 PM

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I'm not sure we need yet another topic on low-res programs, but sure, you can e-mail me about Goddard.

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Oct 24, 2005, 8:20 PM

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I'm not sure we need yet another topic on low-res programs



I agree and so I've grafted this topic onto an existing Low Res MFA topic.

Dana


SabraW


Oct 31, 2005, 3:52 PM

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Not to be too nosy, but how does one afford a LR MFA at Vermont, Goddard, or Warren Wilson?


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Oct 31, 2005, 3:56 PM

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One keeps ones job and lives frugally for a couple of years, then pays off the student loans as soon as possible. My low-res MFA ('98) cost under $30K. I'll pay off the last of the loans by the end of this year.

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SabraW


Oct 31, 2005, 4:09 PM

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;-) One's job is non-paying (I stay at home with my three preschool-aged children) and I don't know how to live any more frugally (I buy most of our clothes for $1.49 a pound).


willbell
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Oct 31, 2005, 4:15 PM

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Your federal Stafford loans will cover all tuition and expenses...including books and travel depending on the amount you request. So then it's just a matter of formulating a plan to pay off those loans in the 10-year time period. There are some smaller scholarships ($500) available also.


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Oct 31, 2005, 8:40 PM

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;-) One's job is non-paying (I stay at home with my three preschool-aged children) and I don't know how to live any more frugally (I buy most of our clothes for $1.49 a pound).


In that case, I'm sorry to say, an MFA may just be out of your reach, financially. It is a luxury, not a necessity, for most people, and so may have to be put off, or dispensed with entirely.

dmh


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maggiemessitt


Nov 7, 2005, 2:56 AM

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Re: [pongo] low-residency programs (goddard, ww) [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree, although I am in a low-res program and find it the best thing that has ever happened to me, i do feel there are alternatives to MFA programs. I suggest that you look into Media Bistro (if you are a nonfiction writer) and Gotham Writers (for all Genre's). As a nonfiction writer, i know a lot more about the alternatives for nonfiction, but they are out there and you shouldnt get discouraged.

If you want to write, then you shoudl go for it, just find something that is appropriate for you personally and financially. If you do go for the MFA and find yurself stressed about finances the whole time, you will most likely benefit less than if you put yourself in a situation that allowed you to be financially sound, or only slightly strapped.

I suggest seeking out mentors, seeking out local writing groups that you can meet with face-to-face and attend writing retreats, conferences or workshops as often as you can.


cyclical



Nov 8, 2005, 12:04 PM

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I'm going to apply to Warren Wilson, Vermont College and Bennington definitely; still thinking about others.



"I'm applying to Oxford and the Sorbonne. Harvard's my safety."


willbell
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Nov 8, 2005, 12:29 PM

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Re: [jayinmd] Low-Residency MFA [In reply to] Can't Post

Awesome.
I love Max Fisher.

"I wrote a hit play. What did you ever do?"


amarier


Nov 8, 2005, 2:52 PM

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I think maybe that was meant to be a joke, though not a very funny or nice one, but it did bring a few things to mind. I think applying for an MFA is very different than applying for any other type of graduate degree, and though the schools I listed are considered to be very good doesn't mean that there aren't many others that aren't also good. (and by that I mean, I'm sure many other schools are as good!) I am applying to others, and I think I shouldn't have said to begin with where I was thinking of applying to. So I won't list the others. I also don't think MFA programs should be categorized like other programs (obviously they aren't, because the criteria are so different than those, say, for MBA's, and explains the lack of MFA program rankings). Having a 'back-up school' is fine for college, but to rank MFA programs like that sounds like a bad idea. I'm going to apply only to schools that I think would be good fits for me, and I like to think that if I got into both 'the Sorbonne' and, I don't know, 'not-famous-school', that my decision would not be based on the name of the school.


willbell
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Nov 8, 2005, 3:54 PM

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Well, I think jayinmd should've let people know that his post is a line from "Rushmore." It is an absolutely absurd line, and I'm sure it was meant as a little light-hearted humor. If not, God help us all.


cyclical



Nov 8, 2005, 4:34 PM

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I am applying to others, and I think I shouldn't have said to begin with where I was thinking of applying to. So I won't list the others.




Well then it's good to see you're applying to other programs instead of simply putting all your limited eggs into an even more limited basket. After all, it would be terribly unfortunate to see someone take the narrowminded position that no education is better than an education they didn't want at, say, East Podunk Teacher's College, simply because they couldn't get into a select handful of The Greatest MFAs Evah! programs.



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I'm going to apply only to schools that I think would be good fits for me, and I like to think that if I got into both 'the Sorbonne' and, I don't know, 'not-famous-school', that my decision would not be based on the name of the school.




Then by all means, shoot for the stars. Aim high. Go for the gusto, and whatnot.

(This post was edited by jayinmd on Nov 8, 2005, 4:35 PM)


willbell
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Nov 8, 2005, 5:18 PM

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Apparently I was mistaken...


desertmolly
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Dec 11, 2005, 7:02 AM

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Congratulations. I'm a fiction writer graduating in January but would be happy to answer any questions you have about the Bennington experience.

--Molly


outsidetena


Feb 14, 2006, 7:44 PM

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Hi,

Is there anyone here that's been in the MFA program at Warren Wilson College, or who knows a lot about it? I've been to the website, but it doesn't really give me a feel for what the program's really like?

Specifically, how are the classes, are they focused on theory? better writing in general? publishing? Also, how closely do the professors work with their students?

Thanks,

outsidetena


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Feb 14, 2006, 8:14 PM

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Hi, outsidetena:

I did not attend the Warren Wilson program, but I did interview its director (and two other program directors) for an article published last year in Poets & Writers. I hope you can learn a little bit about the program from that article: http://www.pw.org/mag/0503/dreifus.htm.

I'm pretty sure Warren Wilson students/alums have shared some experiences in other threads. You might want to do a search of posts in this section.

Hope that helps.

Best,
Erika D.


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rooblue


Feb 15, 2006, 8:09 AM

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Hi,
I'm a current Warren WIlson student. Erika is right -- in the PW archives there is a long thread that deals with WW and other low-res programs. But to answer your questions succinctly: Classes at WWC tend to focus on craft issues, not theory. Some classes are quite specific how-to sessions; some are more general, like a class this past residency about how to get inside Hemingway's longer works. No classes are lit crit or theory, though. It's not that kind of program. In terms of advisors -- WWC, like all the low-res programs, asks that students and their advisors work very closely together over the term. It's the heart of the program. I hope this helps.


Windiciti



Feb 15, 2006, 9:17 AM

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Thank you, Aubrie, Roblu, and everyone else who responded!
Today is my B'day, and at 12 p.m. I will find out about Northwestern. Not sure about their program, not an MFA but an MA.
Nevertheless, I hope they accept me!

Roblu, what a coincidence! Is there any way we can talk more about WW?
I can e-mail you or ask my questions in the forum. Not yet quite sure how this is all done.

To Texasgurl about ERIN Mcgraw, and anyone else who wrote about her...she will be doing a workshop, besides the first LR at Sewanee this summer. It's a Writer's Conference with some impressive names. Starts tight after the LOW REs program.
Thank you all !


Windiciti



Feb 15, 2006, 9:29 AM

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Hello, Rooblu!
Sorry I spelled your name incorrectly Windy City pal... Thank you for kind words.
Do any of the MFA schools discriminate on the basis of age? If they do, do you think it has to do with the $$$ you might get in a regualr program.... a person in their thities, say, applying now will teach or write longer than I will.
Or is this immaterial, especially for LOw Res programs where the student is footing the bill?
I am applying for the minority Holden Scholarship at WW, I am Latina, BUT FIRST I HAVE TO GET IN!
Amy Grimes, was really nice on the phone yesterday. Spent a lot of time answering my questions.
Where else did you apply besides WW? What made you choose it, ?


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Feb 15, 2006, 11:28 AM

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Go to the topic on low-res programs and you'll see that they, at any rate, are geared for older students.

And you might look for existing topics for your messages before opening a bunch of new topics.

dmh


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ssd


Mar 15, 2006, 5:52 PM

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Hi folks,

I'm having a lot of trouble deciding whether to take a leap of faith and enroll in the inaugural class of a new program or go with one with a long-established reputation. I feel lucky to have options, but I am getting a little bit stressed out. I mentioned this on another thread, but I thought maybe it deserved a thread of its own, as there seem to be MFA programs popping up everywhere these days. Here is my specific scenario, that I think probably raises more general questions for others, too.

So, I was accepted into 5 low-res programs, and through a lot of struggle, whittled it down to two (I'll spare you that long story): Vermont College and Pine Manor. Ok, yes, the name of the latter really gets to me (sounds like a retirement home), but I have been really impressed with the program director and response from one of their faculty members, not to mention the fact that it's the most affordable low-res program out there and it offers a unique third semester "applied track" if you choose (though the more common critical essay semester is also an option). I think the benefits of being part of a new program is the extra attention you get, the possibility to help shape the program--I feel like student recruitment and making sure those students are happy becomes their highest priority (confirmed by all my interaction with the program director). The downfall, obviously, is that there just simply isn't anyone whose tested it out. Most any model requires a testing period to get the kinks out, no matter how good it looks on paper. So, I feel like the rewards could be infinite--it could also be disappointing.

On the other hand...well, I don't think I have to say much about Vermont College. It's a great program! I basically don't have anything listed in the "con" section on my paper!

Now that I am writing this, I'm seeing that maybe this decision has more to do with personality--are you a gambler or not? Going with the new program could yield greater results, but also could fail you. The proven one, well, you know it's a good bet.

I'm going to stop rambling now and invite discussion if anyone is interested. A friend reminded me not to be so concerned with names. The most selective (ok, yes, very alternative, too) undergraduate institutions in the country, for example, is named "deep springs." can "pine manor" be far behind?

thanks!
ssd


elli
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Mar 16, 2006, 10:10 PM

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ssd,
I can't tell you what pine manor will be like of course, since it's new, but I studied with some of the faculty who used to be part of the low-res program I did attend - Roland Merullo and Dennis Lehane are both wonderful teachers - smart and generous. I also worked with Manette Ansay, who is visiting faculty at the pine manor (I prefer the Solstice name, personally) and she is also great. Two of the poets were also part of my program - Terrance Hayes and Laure-Anne Bosselaar, and although i didn't study with them, their readings were terrific. So, I suspect the new program will be excellent.

good luck.

Elli


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ssd


Mar 17, 2006, 10:49 AM

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Thanks, Elli. Good to hear, as I haven't known anyone who studied with any of those writers.

I think my larger question is more general, too--new programs versus established. I imagine for a teacher, leading a weekly workshop and responding via "packet" in a low-residency model might be a little different. Just wondering if it takes a semester or two to get their stride. But yes, I think it is a fine faculty. Today (how many more can I let this drag on), I am leaning towards Vermont, though, because most of their faculty have been teaching in this format for well over a decade and from what I hear, it really works! (Any Vermont Collegers want to back me up?)

Best,
ssd


elli
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Mar 17, 2006, 10:53 AM

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perhaps I wasn't clear. My point was that the Solstice faculty HAVE been teaching in other low-res programs, so even though this one is new, the faculty are familiar with the low-res teaching format. For what it's worth...

Good luck with your choice!


Ellen

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