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cnk


Jan 31, 2006, 9:47 PM

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I'm from Seattle Franz.


Onyx


Jan 31, 2006, 10:11 PM

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I just read the MFA article in the latest P & W and it was a real eye-opener for me. It's the most concrete example I've seen so far for talent, innovation, and excellent writing being passed over for ??? (some X factor). On the other hand, it does remind us to keep our chins up if we don't get accepted.



Is this online or in the magazine only? Thanks.


Aubrie


Feb 1, 2006, 11:05 PM

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Onyx- I think it might be in the magazine only. But it's not too long, you could read it at a local bookstore (or buy the mag and make the PW people happy!).

I went back and reread the posts from last year's waiting game. We still have sooo much longer to wait. It is really exciting though. Where are all these folks, anyways? Shouldn't they be reporting back on their first years at school? I would love to know about everyone's experiences in their first semester.

It seems like, according to last year, I'll be hearing the latest with the schools I applied to (NYU, Columbia, New School, Hunter), but those of you who applied to state schools should be hearing in the next couple of weeks, right? And what about rolling admissions?

Am I the only one this obsessively excited/nervous?
Sigh.


Onyx


Feb 1, 2006, 11:13 PM

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Thank Aubrie - I actually picked it up today. I am going to hang onto it just in case things don't work out like I hope this fall :)

(Plus, it seems like good stuff to rememebr anyway.)


HopperFu


Feb 2, 2006, 9:53 PM

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I went back and reread the posts from last year's waiting game. We still have sooo much longer to wait.




Last year, the first acceptances and rejections started rolling in around February 25, give or take, so that you have an idea for this year.
Also, if you are freaking out (me, freak out? Never!), here is something else to remember: do NOT assume you have been rejected just because somebody else got an acceptance letter / call and you have not yet. In past years there were plenty of people who got acceptances from the same schools at different times. Also a little puzzeling, there were multiple schools that sent out acceptances as a mixture of phone calls and letters (i.e., University of Awesome sent out letters to some people and called others).

Hang in there.


stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Feb 3, 2006, 1:10 PM

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Hey there,

I got the sense from Emory earlier this week that I'm not going to be one of the lucky few to get accepted. I was really bummed about it for a little while--just because Emory held my DREAM program in American Studies (though it is really NO different at all from the other programs I applied to--I was romanced, in part, with the idea of moving and with the idea of living down in Atlanta). My friend Shana sent me this e-mail that I want to share with ALL of you who are applying to MFA, MSW, MA, JD, PHD, etc. programs, which I will excerpt most of, simply because it was a good dose of perspective from a very dear friend who didn't get into the PhD programs she thought she would get into--but wound up getting into one of the ABSOLUTE best programs in the country for her field (microbiology). She also mentions my friend Kristin, who is currently in an MFA for painting:

Says Shana:

I'm sorry to hear about Emory. I know you were excited about their program. Just a couple words about my experience with this ultra crappy application process: Wash U was at the *bottom* of my list of places to
go to school when I first applied and U of Georgia was at the top (quickly became the last choice after I actually saw it and met the people). It's difficult to know if Emory would have been the best for you without going there, but keep in mind that another school that you hadn't been so excited about might end up being more than you expected.

Also, I think all this application shit is really a load of shit, quite literally. A Harvard program director told me that my GRE scores were too low to get into their program so I didn't apply. Wash U's program in what I'm doing is considered to be selective and a better program. They are direct competitors of Harvard. And I got into Johns Hopkins too. And you remember Kristin's artwork (all over the New Neighborhood)? When she first applied to the MFA for a masters, they told her she wasn't good enough yet and they would allow her to get a 2nd bachelor
degree with them. She was devastated. She did it though and then applied to grad school. She got into only one school. And that is only after she was wait-listed and then tracked down the program director via phone and told him (in a nice way) that he would be making a mistake not to allow her in and that she'd fly down there to meet him personally if he would let her. She never had to fly down. Granted, these are totally different programs than what you are dealing with, but keep in mind that these are only human beings sitting on these admission boards. They
are subjective and they have biases. Them accepting you into their program has nothing to do with the quality of your work or your worthiness as a writer. It's a bureaucratic process. Maybe the person looking at your application had just broken up with his girlfriend named Stephanie. Maybe not.

Not to take away the enormousness of the disappointment and frustration. This still sucks ass big time. But don't let it get you too far down, and don't forget to pick yourself back up again after you've had sufficient time to feel crappy about it. It *will* work out. One way or another.

(end of excerpt)

I'm neurotic as hell and prone to worrying. I have anxieties over this process. Of course I do! I invested a ton of myself in each application! But I read this e-mail over and over and it calms me. It's stuff I *know* already--but it's just good to have it reinforced by a friend of mine who lives far away, who can offer these words as comfort and understanding instead of a hug or an offer to grab a beer...

I hope everyone is doing well. It's rainy up here in Boston, but, luckily, not too cold!

:)
Steph.


gymnick


Feb 6, 2006, 1:41 AM

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I just heard from one school. I got into Emerson for nonfiction.


darredet
Darren A. Deth


Feb 6, 2006, 5:42 AM

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Congratulations Gymnick! When do you start?

Darren


Aubrie


Feb 6, 2006, 8:08 AM

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That's awesome Gymnick-except you screwed the over/under for ALL of us!
Just kidding-that's fantastic! Now... when did you apply, did you expect to hear this early, and how did they contact you?
Let the games begin!


HopperFu


Feb 6, 2006, 8:47 AM

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Well, I'm a little like Aubrie - annoyed that I lost the over / under, but very happy for you. Congratulations, that's awesome. Where else are you waiting to hear from?


gymnick


Feb 6, 2006, 10:09 AM

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thanks for the mixed congratulations. seriously, i was shocked to have found out so early. i still have one more school left to apply to (before this, there had been four. three were way below emerson so now just one). i didn't even know when to expect any sort of reply. it wasn't like undergrad when you knew when the letters were sent out. not that i check the mail-- my roommate does that and delivered the good news cause apparently emerson uses cheap envelopes that you can read right through :)


HopperFu


Feb 6, 2006, 11:54 AM

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I liked the line about the cheap envelopes. Made me laugh.
Where is the last school you are applying? I only applied to four places, but they all had deadlines that passed in early January (though Cornell's was Dec. 1. Early!).


gymnick


Feb 6, 2006, 2:09 PM

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I've applied to Emerson, New School, Sarah Lawrence and the Art Institute of Chicago. I still planning on applying to one, maybe two low residencies- Goucher and Goddard. Emerson and New School went in the mail early Jan. The latter ones were due February 1st. Goucher is due at the end of February- just a matter of tweaking the ten essays I've written and putting my portfolio in the envelope.

Good luck to everyone!


miekekoo


Feb 6, 2006, 4:22 PM

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Congrats gymnick! It must feel great to know you're in somewhere that you want to go. I don't know too much about Emerson, but I live in Boston and I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about the city, assuming you're not from the area.


greenrose


Feb 6, 2006, 7:43 PM

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Hi gymnick, congrats on the Emerson acceptance. I went there for my BFA in writing and lit., and it's a small school, so if you have any questions about instructors, classes, or Boston itself, I'm happy to answer them :)


gymnick


Feb 6, 2006, 10:50 PM

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thanks so much. i will definitely take you up on that!


orangegirl


Feb 13, 2006, 3:05 PM

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in response to those who have asked whether some of these issues arise with applying for a jd:

in my experience, this anxiety-filled mess is NOTHING like applying for a jd. i received my jd last year, and in comparison the admissions process was a breeze-- the american bar association compiles a little calculator based on data from the previous year's class into which you plug your lsat score and your gpa and your percentage odds of getting in are spit right back out at you. there's a little fudge room because it doesn't take the prestige of your undergraduate institution into account, but it's enough of an indication that it was correct about every school i applied to and most people i know had the same experience. despite all the people on the law school boards freaking out about essays, etc., and despite the "we care about the person" hype pushed by the admissions committees of the various schools, thanks to the death-grip of the u.s. news & world report rankings there simply isn't anything subjective about the process. that little calculator made me an exceedingly calm applicant. that didn't stop me from celebrating when i got the expected letter, but it sure cut down on the nerves along the way.

cut to now, four years later. the subjectivity of the process is killing me. i've heard from one school, and i'd be happy to go there, but man, i wish the others would respond. even rejections would be information and therefore better than silence. apparently i do not do well with this degree of uncertainty.

argh.


gussy

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Feb 13, 2006, 7:09 PM

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Hi Orangegirl,

Yeah, I've reached that point, too: as irrational as it is, in certain moods (more frequent every day, alas) I'd rather have a rejection now instead of an acceptance a month from now -- sure, I immediately tell myself how silly that is, but then this obstinate little voice insists, "C'mon, man, let's get it over with!" What schools are you waiting to hear from? By the way, interesting stuff, the comparison between the process to apply for JDs and and that to apply for MFAs.

Wishing us all patience,

Gussy-PS: Does "Orangegirl" have something to do with Orange County, CA? Applying to UCI, I assume? :)


orangegirl


Feb 14, 2006, 12:26 AM

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gussy,

alas, not orange county, just a bit of a throwaway reference to the margaret atwood poem "against still life." i live on the opposite coast, in a land of concrete and (currently, anyway) snow.

as for schools, i applied to far too many to list here, but (most of) the schools everyone seems to list were represented, plus a multiude of others. (after sending out the mid-december applications, though, i discovered that i'd accidentally enclosed a typo-and-error-ridden draft version of my manuscript, so i assume those, including uci, are guaranteed rejections.) i can't/won't take on more debt after the law school load (i'm lucky enough to have gone to a school that will make my economic life bearable so long as i stay in academic or non-profit jobs, which i figure are approximately the only ones i'm qualified for that leave time to write), and so i thought i'd try to cover my bases with funding. plus my background's different (no english classes, ever-- how are they to know that i read compulsively?) and i wasn't happy with my sample, so i'm convinced i'll be rejected from everywhere, anyway. (which didn't happen. in at boulder, with a fellowship. haven't heard back from anywhere else yet.)

not, of course, that that stops me from checking my (e-)mail incessantly. naturally.

also i have this crazy idea that only rejections could possibly take this long. an irrational thought, give the evidence to the contrary... umm... is there evidence to the contrary?

have i mentioned that i hate the waiting game?

'cause i do. i hate it.

where did you apply? and how's the (ir)rationality battle going?


miekekoo


Feb 14, 2006, 2:22 PM

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Welcome to the Speakeasy, Orangegirl! This wait is killing me too. The worst is at work where I'm sitting in front of the computer all day, able to check my email and this forum as often as I have the urge, which is basically every five seconds. And when I'm not at work, I'm finding it difficult to get any actual writing done, though I try to remind myself that the writing is really the whole point of all this.

Don't give up hope yet. For one, you've already gotten into a school, with a fellowship, so someone out there really likes your writing. Huge congrats on that! Also, it's really true that a lot of schools don't start notifying until early March; at least that's how it's been in the past. I must admit that when I first found this forum, I went back and read a ton of old posts (yes I am a Speakeasy addict), and most years there was a surge in notifications around the first week in March. Some particularly delinquent schools have even let the process drag out into April... So acceptances are still very much a possibility for all of us. I hope.


HopperFu


Feb 14, 2006, 2:49 PM

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To echo what kateb said, in past years most notifications came starting around the last week in Feb (those were the early ones) and into March, with some notifications coming end of March and even into early April.
Somebody last year said something to the effect of, don't assume you got a rejection until you actually have a rejection in your hand.
And you should be psyched about the fellowship: even if it isn't your first choice, we're all applying in one of the most competitive fields there is (which is kind of funny given how little money is involved). I'd bet good money it's easier to get in to Med school than a funded MA or MFA program in creative writing.


gussy

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Feb 14, 2006, 6:33 PM

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Ha, I feel so parochial -- as if "orangegirl" had to be related to Orange County, right? Argh! (I live next to OC, but inland, so we really envy the possibility of living in OC, minutes away from, or directly by, the beach). But oh well, enough of that! Congrats, Orangegirl, you do have an acceptance -- hey, that should certainly mean something, as Hopperfu and Kateb said, right? By the way, I sympathize with Kateb's words to the effect that this application process, paradoxically, has hindered the writing a little bit -- amazing (and scary) how the means can become the end, don't you all think? Now instead of thinking of fiction, I find myself thinking of statements of purpose... which only goes to show how pathetic one (i.e., me) can be :)

Back to your question, Orangegirl: I applied to NYU, New School, SLC, Johns Hopkins, Michener Center at UT Austin, Iowa, UMass Amherst, and UCI. And as I type these names I have an incontrollable fit of laughter because there's simply no way these places will accept me, esp. since for the Dec. 15 ones my sample was crappier than it could have been (that sort of rules out UCI and NYU). For the Jan. 15 deadlines I am not happy, but let's say moderately satisfied, with what I sent. It is, for all its limitations, what I am capable of writing now. But I will never know whether NYU and UCI would have rejected me if I'd sent the sample that I sent to the rest of the schools (I know, this is exactly the kind of questions that it doesn't make any sense to ask). Anyway, assuming that I'll be universally rejected this time, I'll add Brown and Cornell to the list next year. By the way, someone got into Cornell in the last few days, was it you Hopper Fu, I think? Congrats ! And I wouldn't worry too much about not having taken lit classes -- if what I've heard is right, the sample is what really matters; the rest has to be, well, within the realm of decency, but that's it (that is, if you haven't been molesting minors or spent some time in jail you should be fine -- they won't say Oh wait, this sample is fantastic, but she hasn't taken many lit classes). But anyway, you already have evidence that this is it: Colorado.

OK, I hear the postman coming -- talk to you later !

G.- PS: Did you apply for poetry or fiction?


Aubrie


Feb 15, 2006, 1:43 AM

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Well, it seems that the days of acceptance/rejection have begun.
Just not for me.
How about everyone gives a little check-in.
Here goes:
Me: Columbia, NYU, New School, Hunter.
Heard from: Absolutely no one.

-Aubrie, who now obsessively checks her email/mailbox/phone AND the Speakeasy every three seconds.


franz

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Feb 15, 2006, 3:16 AM

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Well, it seems that the days of acceptance/rejection have begun.
Just not for me.
How about everyone gives a little check-in.
Here goes:
Me: Columbia, NYU, New School, Hunter.
Heard from: Absolutely no one.

-Aubrie, who now obsessively checks her email/mailbox/phone AND the Speakeasy every three seconds.


I've been a rather obsessive reader myself, and I know you've been reading the archives too-- so you know that both NYU and Columbia seem to take longer than just about everyone else to send out their letters.
My schools: Iowa, Brown, Cornell, Emerson, UMass, UWashington, JHU, Stegner. Haven't heard from anyone, and not really expecting to for two more weeks. I'm thinking that anything I hear before then would just (hopefully) be a pleasant surprise.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


Windiciti



Feb 15, 2006, 9:50 AM

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ddl,
I am excited about perhaps going to the new program at Sewanee and writing with Erin Mc Graw during the first summer res.
Or Warren Wilson, or Bennington? Who knows? But I will find a home by the fall!
Thanks!

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