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bighark


Jan 21, 2010, 1:41 PM

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I had a little application dust-up at Wisconsin. When I spoke to the coordinator there about a week before the application deadline, she said they had received around 800 applications with more coming in.


NickMcRae
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Jan 21, 2010, 2:03 PM

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Over 800 only in fiction? Wow, that's truly insane. Kind of makes me glad I'm a poet :)

I do wonder what the ratio of fiction to poetry applicants is in general across all schools right now. Thoughts?

NM


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taraberyl



Jan 21, 2010, 2:05 PM

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HOLY moses. 1100?! i don't doubt that it's true, but where'd that figure come from?

also, just reading this interview with musician Cameron McGill, i came across this gem:


What will you remember most about 2009?
Not getting into the MFA program at the Iowa Writers' Workshop.


Woon


Jan 21, 2010, 2:13 PM

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also, just reading this interview with musician Cameron McGill, i came across this gem:


What will you remember most about 2009?
Not getting into the MFA program at the Iowa Writers' Workshop.


The Q&A article makes it seem like the interviewer didn't give a crap about the answer re. IWW. But then again, if I read somewhere that so-and-so didn't get into Princeton's Ph.D program in Ancient Greek and Mesopotamia Studies, I wouldn't give a rip either.


(This post was edited by Woon on Jan 21, 2010, 2:13 PM)


kbritten

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Jan 21, 2010, 2:45 PM

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Holy poop, Yugao! Remind me to never judge anything by how I "feel" again! I am ridiculously glad I did not apply there, but now I'm feeling like I won't get in anywhere, because the numbers are up. Wowzers...


Yugao


Jan 21, 2010, 2:59 PM

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HOLY moses. 1100?! i don't doubt that it's true, but where'd that figure come from?


I'm a student there and was told the numbers when I stopped by the office over break and saw it filled with boxes. I'm as surprised as anyone.


rue721


Jan 21, 2010, 4:48 PM

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I second (third? fourth? thousandth?) the ideas that:

1. The average applicant is now applying to a greater number of schools--so while individual schools are seeing a rise in applicants, there isn't necessarily a commiserate rise in the application pool as a whole. We're all still just competing with each other, only now in a few more arenas. That's not too worrying, because each of us can only go to one school...so if anything, it'll probably mean more people get in off the wait list.

2. More people have nothing better to do--so they're applying to grad school and swelling the numbers. Personally, I think a lot of people who are looking toward grad school as an "I'm unemployed and need a plan B" solution are going to be (talented, educated or not) relatively unprepared in terms of their applications. It's tough to have developed the kind of writing/revision/editing process necessary to produce a grad-level writing sample when all a person's talent/energy/thought has been going to other industries/fields for years. I think most "Plan B-ers" aren't ready to exploit an MFA program's writing resources, because they haven't had time/energy to exploit their own (inner and local) writing resources yet--and I think the application committees will see that. Last year's most serious/committed "Plan B-ers" are probably contenders this year, and this year's will probably be contenders next year...but we don't have to worry about them ourselves :P

...And further in the spirit of being thoughtful and logical and zen-like, there's the whole "...and have the wisdom to know the difference" thing I've been telling myself between panic attacks.

------------------->SO:

Has anyone heard *anything*--good OR bad--yet? When does the so-called chaff hear?!


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 21, 2010, 5:28 PM

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Insane. And you know it's probably pretty fiction-heavy.

I'm curious about the average quality of these apps. Is it as bad as, say, TPR's slush pile?


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."


WanderingTree


Jan 21, 2010, 6:17 PM

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Anyone who has been in a couple of workshops knows that the majority of portfolios out there just aren't up to snuff. Add hasty recession induced "Oh, I think I'll be a writer today and apply to MFA programs" decisions to the mix (and the prospect of full funding) and presto, you have boxes of applications filling grad offices. While these numbers will skew the statistics, I doubt the ACTUAL selectivity of a program or the number of serious contenders will be changed much. Yes, there will be a couple of talented writers that wouldn't have otherwise applied but there will also be hundreds of people that might not even know what M.F.A. stands for. That's my two cents and you might have a problem with it. Big whoop want to fight about it? ; - )

(This post was edited by WanderingTree on Jan 21, 2010, 6:18 PM)


WanderingTree


Jan 21, 2010, 6:33 PM

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Btw. That last post is my way of coping with the daunting numbers. I'm telling myself that a lot of these "extra" applicants are basically inbred beasts, foaming at the mouth. This image helps me sleep at night. Let me live the dream for a couple of months.


kbritten

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Jan 21, 2010, 6:42 PM

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I'm starting to feel like that girl who meets the man of her dreams, who promises he'll call, and then doesn't for days. Why won't you start calling people! Even if it's not me! I feel like I gave money to non-existent entities, that this was all some super big scam. Like, yeah, sure we'll waive tuition and give you a stipend for writing for three years. Yeah, yeah, sure, all you got to do is send us your social security number, all your information, and a check or money order. I feel like a senior citizen who thought they'd really get 5 million dollars from Mr. Barberry in Nigeria. Sad.


rue721


Jan 21, 2010, 6:50 PM

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@ kbritten

Hilarious. Also, true.


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 21, 2010, 6:54 PM

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True, and I also think anyone on this site is likely above average in terms of preparation and seriousness of intent.

But I do worry that with the higher number of apps to wade through, the readers will automatically spend a lot less time on each sample, chucking out an entire app after a cursory glance at one story. Oh well.


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 21, 2010, 7:00 PM

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YES, exactly. At first, you're trying to play it cool... but before you know it, you've resorted to online app stalking and obsessing over "materials received." I don't want this whole process to end with all of us becoming THAT GIRL.


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."


bighark


Jan 21, 2010, 7:17 PM

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Actually, Wisconsin is fiction only this year.


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 21, 2010, 7:21 PM

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You're absolutely right, I forgot about that. Oh dear, that's a lot of novel excerpts and short stories. At times, I feel very sorry for these professors, but then again, they get 3-4 months off in the summer and sabbaticals too.


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."


karinr
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Jan 21, 2010, 7:37 PM

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I would be willing to bet, though, that the large number of applicants at Wisconsin has more to do with Loorie Moore than the economy, in which case, your applicant pool will likely be pretty savvy and well read.


Colder


Jan 21, 2010, 7:52 PM

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I doubt the ACTUAL selectivity of a program or the number of serious contenders will be changed much.


I seriously hope that's true. I want to believe it. But I can't get over the fact that it's all subjective. Each of us can claim to know what's good and what's not, but we would still come up with different winners in a contest of twenty short stories. Increase the number of entries and you increase the variables.

Think of entering a contest of 50 abstract paintings. Now think about entering a contest of 100. I think a person's chances definitely go down regardless of how good they are. Besides, do we even know how good we are? There are people who have published books and won awards and every time they face the blank page they still panic.


Woon


Jan 21, 2010, 7:55 PM

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YES, exactly. At first, you're trying to play it cool... but before you know it, you've resorted to online app stalking and obsessing over "materials received." I don't want this whole process to end with all of us becoming THAT GIRL.


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rue721


Jan 21, 2010, 7:55 PM

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I wouldn't bet on Laurie Moore being the draw; this is my first time applying there, and though I respect/like her, she's not what decided me.

The reason I made sure to apply: I won't have another chance next year. Wisconsin's a well-funded, academically strong university, and might be my perfect fit...but I figured it was applying there now or never for me, since I doubt I'll have the strength of mind/character to go through the application cycle a third time in 2011/2012, regardless of my success this spring (or next).

When I realized this November that I could only apply to <10 schools and stay solvent/sane, that thought edged Wisconsin up my priority list for sure.


Colder


Jan 21, 2010, 7:57 PM

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I would be willing to bet, though, that the large number of applicants at Wisconsin has more to do with Loorie Moore than the economy, in which case, your applicant pool will likely be pretty savvy and well read.


Why do you think that is has more to do with Moore than the economy? Lorrie Moore has been teaching at Wisconsin for the last 25 years. Birds of America, her best selling work, came out 11 years ago.

I mean, Moore is a great reason to apply to Wisconsin, she's one of my favorite writers, but I can't see why the sudden spike this year.


(This post was edited by Colder on Jan 21, 2010, 7:58 PM)


Colder


Jan 21, 2010, 8:12 PM

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But I do worry that with the higher number of apps to wade through, the readers will automatically spend a lot less time on each sample, chucking out an entire app after a cursory glance at one story. Oh well.


I think they probably did that anyway considering how fast programs make their decisions. Trying to judge 400 applications on top of doing your normal job in a 1-2 month time span probably doesn't lend for thorough analysis unfortunately. Even less so with 800 now. But of course, they're professionals at this, so I still have confidence in the process. Mostly.


belgium


Jan 21, 2010, 8:37 PM

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Why do you think that is has more to do with Moore than the economy? Lorrie Moore has been teaching at Wisconsin for the last 25 years. Birds of America, her best selling work, came out 11 years ago.

I mean, Moore is a great reason to apply to Wisconsin, she's one of my favorite writers, but I can't see why the sudden spike this year.


Because of her novel, A GATE AT THE STAIRS, came out last fall just as people were starting to think about where they might apply. The novel got tremendous press coverage and tremendous reviews, plus was a best-seller. That's why.

Mind you though, I'm sure the opportunity to work with Lorrie Moore is a consistent draw, but this year more so because of the attention her novel has drawn.



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WanderingTree


Jan 21, 2010, 8:51 PM

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True, and I also think anyone on this site is likely above average in terms of preparation and seriousness of intent.

But I do worry that with the higher number of apps to wade through, the readers will automatically spend a lot less time on each sample, chucking out an entire app after a cursory glance at one story. Oh well.


I sort of figured that committees would only read the first few pages of a sample, but now I really have to wonder about the process. Schools like Texas supposedly have a little under four months to review applications but when do they really start? With so many applications, are programs still having multiple people read portfolios? Argh.


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 21, 2010, 8:58 PM

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This is killing me. I have a friend who's an MFA professor, but I feel bad asking her because I didn't apply to her program. Hmm. Not sure how to word it tactfully.


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."

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