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Woon


Jan 13, 2010, 7:10 PM

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Anyone find it odd that Oregon sends out dorm information packets in the mail to applicants loooong before Admission decisions have been made? I applied in early December and got my packet 2 weeks later. What is also bizarre is that the packet is geared toward undergrads, not grad students like us. What a waste of money.


HollinsMFAer
Luke Johnson


Jan 13, 2010, 7:49 PM

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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I think you're reading far too much into a few hand-written rejections. Yes, be encouraged, but to think of them as the equivalent of a previous waitlist seems, to me, a stretch. MQR is famous for their friendly notes on rejections. The notes are a good sign, to be sure, but I've known multiple cases where someone was published by a school's journal and subsequently rejected from their program. All that said, most everyone gets into MFA programs with zero pubs...


http://www.lukejohnsonpoetry.com


jamie_mu


Jan 13, 2010, 9:38 PM

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I second Luke. Do you think that the same people reading the slush pile are the same people making decisions on applicant writing samples? I know that's not how it works in my program.


bardberry


Jan 13, 2010, 10:12 PM

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I second Luke. Do you think that the same people reading the slush pile are the same people making decisions on applicant writing samples? I know that's not how it works in my program.



Colder


Jan 13, 2010, 10:54 PM

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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I think you're reading far too much into a few hand-written rejections. Yes, be encouraged, but to think of them as the equivalent of a previous waitlist seems, to me, a stretch. MQR is famous for their friendly notes on rejections. The notes are a good sign, to be sure, but I've known multiple cases where someone was published by a school's journal and subsequently rejected from their program. All that said, most everyone gets into MFA programs with zero pubs...


Not to worry, that's not a downer. I think it's better to think that it makes no difference, rather than good or bad. I think everything in your post I've already remarked upon in previous, rambling posts here, so it's not surprise.


Colder


Jan 13, 2010, 11:09 PM

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I second Luke. Do you think that the same people reading the slush pile are the same people making decisions on applicant writing samples? I know that's not how it works in my program.


From what I understand, I think generally the personal rejects come from the upper ladder. Meaning, those stories have moved out of the slush pile already. Of course, every place works differently.

Unless you're saying that Byers doesn't make decisions on applicant writing samples, in which case, I have no idea if he's involved in that process or not. He may be too busy teaching classes and editing the mag.

Regardless, I think the consensus here is that it doesn't matter one way or the other which is sort of a relief for me. As long as it's not a bad sign, I'm completely good with that.


(This post was edited by Colder on Jan 13, 2010, 11:10 PM)


Forum Apps


Jan 13, 2010, 11:24 PM

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Stats on the MQR off of Duotrope:
96.12 % (35.8 avg. days per rejection) | 42.74 % personal, 33.87 % form, 23.39 % unspecified

A solid 40% of submissions receive personal responses.


I wouldn't worry about it though. Most MFA applicants are unpublished or only have minor publications.


Colder


Jan 13, 2010, 11:30 PM

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Stats on the MQR off of Duotrope:
96.12 % (35.8 avg. days per rejection) | 42.74 % personal, 33.87 % form, 23.39 % unspecified

A solid 40% of submissions receive personal responses.


I wouldn't worry about it though. Most MFA applicants are unpublished or only have minor publications.


Thanks for the sentiment. When I posted that stat earlier it showed 35% though which is still enormously high. It just shows that they must be nice folk at that mag.


insertbrackets

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Jan 14, 2010, 12:51 AM

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Here's a little story.

When Lee Martin, then director of the OSU MFA program, called me last January (Jesus, it's been nearly a year already) I just about lost my shit, in the parlance of our times. I had been receiving a number of calls from unfamiliar numbers, which ended up being telemarketers, but I answered my phone each time, hoping it would be good news, semi-life changing news. I was at work, it was around 1 in the afternoon and I was in the middle of a tutoring sesh with a student.I got a call from a number I didn't know and wouldn't you know the following exchange happened:

Lee: Hello is this Mr. Tory Adkisson?
Me:...Yeah...?!
Lee: I think I might have some good news for you this Friday.
Me:...YEAH...?!
Lee: Well, this is Lee Martin, director of the Ohio State MFA Program and I am calling you to let you know the admissions committee made their final decisions last week and we are excited to inform you that you are one of our top candidates to be admitted the MFA program here in poetry.
Me:...
Lee:...Tory?
Me:...REALLY? REALLY? OMG! ZOMG! ZOMG OMG!!!!!1 AHHHAHAHHHHAHHH (unintelligible)

He was very nice and patient, as was my student, and I was so flushed to know that out of the many people who applied I was special, I was the one they wanted. A first pic, a first choice, the belle of the ball (one of six anyway). I stammered through a couple questions as he told me about the offer--tuition remission, full funding and GTA stipend, etc.

I planned to be composed, but that didn't work. So allow your cups to runneth over if it happens, but a little more tranquility might serve you well.


Who told you I was a racist? Was it...a minority?
-T-Rex, qwantz.com Dinosaur Comics

(This post was edited by insertbrackets on Jan 14, 2010, 12:54 AM)


In The Lobby


Jan 14, 2010, 2:40 AM

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Wandering, Kb, and Daniv...

Cientos besos! Who needs Lonely Planet anyway? I'm gonna need your services again come mid March. I'll paypal for an extensive write-up of the major faults of all MFA cities to which I wasn't admitted. It'll help...


Godot Eyelashes


Jan 14, 2010, 7:15 AM

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actually i don't fantasize much about the phone call as much as....

FOR MATURE AUDIENCE ONLY......so if you are neophyte, babyMFAapplicant...go eat eggs and ham and wait a decade...for the following prurient vulgarity...

i have been fantasizing about doing a posting on craigslist...for a relationship:

single asian female with adorable semantic cleavage seeking genderless MFA suitor with fat ass and fat wallet...

i know a writer's ego is like a balloon, easily inflated and easily deflated....

but what about orgasms....?????

i keep on wanting to come and come
to your school....
and i think i am coming and coming...
BUT i am not coming.

so please fuck me!!! already and make me come
to your school!

let me free ride through your bucolic new england ass...aka full fundings with stipend.

and scream: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. i am coming. i am coming. i am coming!


xataro


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Jan 14, 2010, 7:13 PM

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<crickets> Well....... I'm not sure how to follow that. Maybe with a Kleenex. </crickets>


kbritten

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Jan 14, 2010, 7:20 PM

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Ew.


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 14, 2010, 8:11 PM

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While we're all twiddling our thumbs, or other appendages, I figured some entertaining MFA online reading couldn't hurt. Stumbled onto this entertaining blog today: http://postmfa08.blogspot.com/.


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."


fixittuesday



Jan 15, 2010, 1:18 AM

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Swapping samples has proven to be such a great pastime when I run out of message board comments to obsess over. If anyone else is interested in sending me his or her fiction sample, I'll gladly respond lightening fast.

fixittuesday@yahoo.com

('Courtney' over at the MFA Creative Writing Handbook blog)


OldScribe2000


Jan 16, 2010, 3:41 PM

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Of course I want to get accepted, but I don't feel like my life depends on it.

What I want more than anything is to get my work published in 2010. Entering a creative writing program could help me achieve goal. So if I feel any anticipation about the selection process, it's related in that way.


bluepoet1


Jan 16, 2010, 9:25 PM

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Wow that's interesting to know. I have a few works out there but no books or major journals. My question: If you participate in a workshop with a working writer in an MFA program (you have applied for admission) could this opportunity make or break your chances? I am attending one in a month and I am extremely nervous to mention anything like "I applied to your program." Sounds pretty cheesy or should I just swallow pride and go with it. I am asking because I don't know MFA application protocol


bergdalea
Abbie J. Bergdale

Jan 16, 2010, 9:42 PM

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Anyone else feel like voting to just skip the next thirty days of life altogether?


WanderingTree


Jan 16, 2010, 9:57 PM

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It won't make or break you. Same reason why I don't expect editors that I know in other capacities to give me special treatment if they have to reject a story I wrote for whatever reason. Or why I wouldn't expect a friend to automatically hand over a manuscript to their agent. We're all adults, we all have to act professionally (i.e no special treatment). I doubt the professor of the workshop you'll be attending would think anything of it. You might as well mention it. Why not? Get some inside info on the program.


kbritten

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Jan 16, 2010, 10:23 PM

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Yeah, I'm definitely feeling that way. It's not that I'll kill myself if I don't get in anywhere, but an acceptance will give me some *some* semblance of how I'm doing in the writing world, a ticket out of where I live now, an escape from my job, a trip to a new town, and most importantly, several years to focus fully on my writing with qualified support from faculty who also might offer me some kind of connection to the literary world. I hate waiting for that, you know?

I was actually going through my calendar today in Outlook, because I had to move some things around. I was going through weeks super quickly, moving events, and I said to myself, "gee, I wish time really moved this quickly." I then thought, "that would mean that we would be alive for like 24 hours, so I was a little more comfortable with waiting :)


Colder


Jan 16, 2010, 11:45 PM

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Wow that's interesting to know. I have a few works out there but no books or major journals. My question: If you participate in a workshop with a working writer in an MFA program (you have applied for admission) could this opportunity make or break your chances? I am attending one in a month and I am extremely nervous to mention anything like "I applied to your program." Sounds pretty cheesy or should I just swallow pride and go with it. I am asking because I don't know MFA application protocol


Do you mean that you're attending a workshop taught by someone on an application committee?

If so, I think it would definitely help your chances of standing out in the crowd and that's a very good thing with apps numbering in the hundreds. However, I would doubt that she'd pull any favors for you so if she doesn't appreciate your writing, or if you're just an annoying human being to be around, then your chances go from slim to zero.

Of course, by the time your story gets workshopped they may have already made their decisions at the program, so it'd be moot.

I've been around a lot of the whole networking/schmoozing thing (not in this context but elsewhere), and the one thing I'd be careful about is coming off as overly ingratiating or pushy. Only mention that you applied to their program if you're sure they like you. And even then you shouldn't expect anything from them in return. Just mention that you applied to their program in the most non-threatening way possible and then let it go.

Obviously, networking won't get you accepted (or at least it shouldn't), but it may get your sample a full read instead of a five page skim.

Just my thoughts.


Trilbe



Jan 17, 2010, 12:06 AM

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Cute story, a couple of years ago a poster who went to AWP found out he was accepted when he sat next to two faculty members from a school he applied to:


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I'm at the AWP Conference in Atlanta. Yesterday, I saw an open chair in the lobby next to 2 people. I asked if I could join them and sat down. Then I noticed their nametags. It was Richard Robbins (Mankato's MFA Director) and Candace Black (poetry faculty). I told them I had applied. Richard glanced at my nametag and said, "Oh yeah. You're in. You knew that, didn't you?" I explained that I had gotten an email to schedule an interview for a TA-ship, but that I hadn't been told I was in. I didn't want to assume anything until I knew for sure.

I spent the next half hour asking questions and chatting. They were very nice and down to earth. It was a great way to find out I've been accepted. (My wife called to tell me the official letter arrived today.)



http://www.pw.org/...?post=249074;#249074


Colder


Jan 17, 2010, 12:17 AM

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Cute story, a couple of years ago a poster who went to AWP found out he was accepted when he sat next to two faculty members from a school he applied to:


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I'm at the AWP Conference in Atlanta. Yesterday, I saw an open chair in the lobby next to 2 people. I asked if I could join them and sat down. Then I noticed their nametags. It was Richard Robbins (Mankato's MFA Director) and Candace Black (poetry faculty). I told them I had applied. Richard glanced at my nametag and said, "Oh yeah. You're in. You knew that, didn't you?" I explained that I had gotten an email to schedule an interview for a TA-ship, but that I hadn't been told I was in. I didn't want to assume anything until I knew for sure.

I spent the next half hour asking questions and chatting. They were very nice and down to earth. It was a great way to find out I've been accepted. (My wife called to tell me the official letter arrived today.)



http://www.pw.org/...?post=249074;#249074


That is a cool story. Thanks for digging that one up.


In The Lobby


Jan 17, 2010, 6:49 PM

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My list:

Cornell
Brown
Michigan
WUSTL
Iowa
Oregon
Brooklyn
Louisiana State
Portland State?

Add, too, what I've potentially learned from the application process: don't apply to only schools such as,

Cornell
Brown
Michigan
WUSTL
Iowa
Oregon
Brooklyn
Louisiana State


Apple, another late deadliner is University of New Orleans (Feb. 1) Lush atmosphere. There's opportunity for study abroad, tuition remission + modest stipend based on how many classes you desire to teach. Anyone able to add anything about the program?


emilychristine
Emily Sims

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Jan 18, 2010, 10:20 AM

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Hi guys,

I know this is way off topic, but if you're on Facebook or Twitter I'd love to connect so we can bond over our MFA agony even more in even more venues!!!

Twitter: http://twitter.com/STLPartyLite
Facebook: Search me by email (it's the only way to find me because I hide from my students!) emcsims at gmail dot com.


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