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In The Lobby


Jan 12, 2010, 1:50 AM

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Re: [fixittuesday] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Ahhhhhh! Eric and Apple. Apologies. Atrocious joke fail :/ I (nor I'm assuming) Eyelashes attend Cornell. Not to discredit his/her superior literary skills as evidenced from above.

But best luck! I applied to Cornell, too, in fiction. More as just a sort of curtsy and to merely be able to state that oh yes, I applied to Cornell.

Apple, also, I've encountered more late deadline schools: St. Mary's in Moraga, CA (Jan 31) and San Jose State (Feb 1). I'm itching to live in San Francisco, or at least over the hills from San Francisco, or at least a bay diagonal from San Francisco, or at least and etc. But funding prevents it.


In The Lobby


Jan 12, 2010, 2:17 AM

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Re: [daniv] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey Daniv, if you don't mind, I have some questions regarding Portland State...

Can you explain the GTA terms of appointment, salary and hours to me? I failed physics. I emailed the school months ago about it, and just received a link to the exact same formula page.

Portland was dropped from my list. It was added initially due to D'Ambrosio, location and literary community.

As I reread the website, it states that the University application has to have been received several weeks in advance before the departmental application. Is it true? That's another thing I have learned to be added to that thread, btw. Some website deadlines and requirements seem bendable.


Godot Eyelashes


Jan 12, 2010, 2:30 AM

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Re: [In The Lobby] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

fear not, in the lobby!

i did not apply to cornell. i applied to cornell three years ago. got rejected. did not apply this time around.

however, if there is a mfa program called in the lobby...
i will be there! in the lobby!

are you a fan of alice fulton? i read some of her poems. they were deadly. so deadly that i did not submit my application to cornell.


Godot Eyelashes


Jan 12, 2010, 2:36 AM

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Re: [ericweinstein] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

dear ericweinstein
i did not apply to cornell. :(....i wish i could be of help to you.
sincerely,
useless eyelashes


In The Lobby


Jan 12, 2010, 3:02 AM

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Re: [Godot Eyelashes] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

No, I haven't read her. Deadly as in Frank Stanford/Arkansas deadly? If so, where should I start?


morganapple


Jan 12, 2010, 4:32 AM

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I also read that the apps had to be sent weeks apart, so I guess that's not an option for me... Thanks, anyway, daniv, for the helpful info.

And wait, I definitely missed that joke. When will I begin to understand internet sarcasm?

Anyway, Lobby, I also plan to live around SF one day, but since all (most? Not sure about San Jose?) of the schools up there are unfunded, I guess I'm holding out of the Stegner one of these days.

And once again, Trilbe, thnx for being the best.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Jan 12, 2010, 9:43 AM

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Re: [In The Lobby] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

No worries! My mistake.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


daniv


Jan 12, 2010, 3:05 PM

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Re: [In The Lobby] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi!

Not too sure about the GAship, but I think the candidate teaches one comp. class and gets tuition remiss plus a stipend. However, one thing I forgot to mention--quarter system--not semesters. So the quarters are ten weeks--not preferable for a great workshop, but some folks seem to like it OK.

As far as sending apps. several weeks ahead, I'd ignore that entirely. The school might prefer it but they certainly don't mandate it--no matter the wording they use on the website. I know this is not a policy that would prevent you from entry should you have your material in the same time as your app. to the English department.

It is worth applying, particularly to workshop with D'Ambrosio--especiallly if he can advise your thesis!

Best!


Colder


Jan 12, 2010, 4:10 PM

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The Waiting Game...Crazy making [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyone else feeling highly ambivalent about their MFA apps?

I canít stop thinking that Iím either going to get zero acceptances or multiple ones. Like Iím either a really good candidate or my writing is not ready nor will it ever be good enough. This is probably common thinking, but Iíd like to commiserate with anyone else feeling the same way.

I donít know why I canít imagine getting accepted to one place and rejected by nine. I can only imagine getting rejected everywhere (likely) or getting accepted to 3-4 programs which is delusional if youíve seen my list.


kbritten

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Jan 12, 2010, 4:52 PM

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You know, I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for twenty years and while I was in love with "the city" as a teen, the older I get the more ambivalent I am towards the area. Don't get me wrong, I sometimes I miss it, as well as the food (especially the food), the shopping, the things to do. But, I just visited my dad in Orinda (over the hills from the city) and was a little unimpressed by the whole area. It's just another place to live. I guess I don't understand why someone, anyone, is willing to go to an unfunded MFA program, go into debt, spend waaay too much on a crappy apartment in a crappy part of town, live half of their life in traffic, among other things.

I understand why people love San Francisco and other areas (Monterey and pretty much any coastal town is just amazingly gorgeous), but here's a suggestion that I have for all those people. The Sacramento area has good food and some things to do, UC Davis sounds like a great program, and SF is only a two + hour drive depending on traffic. And, it's closer to Tahoe, I think it's 2 + hours away from that, too.

I'm not trying to sound judgmental and I get that people want what they want, but it's not going to change your life. You're not going to suddenly have oodles of friends and hang out with celebrities or anything. At most, you'll go to a few good bars and eat at some good restaurants and shiver in the perpetual fog. It's nice, but it's not Heaven.

Also, I did two years at St. Mary's College as an undergrad before transferring out, and while I know nothing about the MFA, I HATED that place. It's in the middle of a suburb, it's basically a ghost town after 12 (it's a big commuter school), and all the students are angry because they didn't get into Pepperdine, even thoughparents did buy them a Escalade as a consolation. It's really small, smaller than my high schoool. It's far from BART, still 30-40 minutes from SF. I honestly, hardly learned a thing there. Again, I don't know if that has anything to do with the MFA, but maybe something to think about.


WanderingTree


Jan 12, 2010, 5:05 PM

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I hear you on the San Francisco area. I went to high school in the middle of Silicon Valley and lived in San Francisco for years, and while organic grocery stores and bagel shops are in abundance, so is a lack of reality. I definitely remember people crying because they didn't get straight As and therefore would not be getting a Mercedes back in high school. In San Francisco proper, you have a mixture of hipster idiots who are content with working at Trader Joes and getting piss drunk every night well into their late 30s and complaining about why they never meet anyone interesting, the dotcomers who are fairly normal, hippie wannabes, homeless wannabes (i.e. rich kids who think it is cool to live on the streets), and activist wannabes who will protest anything but don't really know anything about anything.

San Francisco is a beautiful city. There is always something to do. Your circle of friends will be full of artists, musicians, dancers, writers, filmmakers etc. Yes, there are a lot of creative people and a lot of institutions and venues that help aspiring creative types make the leap to becoming established (but only to an extent -as a former boss (a violinist) told me, you have to leave if you want to have a real career in the arts). BUT with all that said, if you plan on staying and want to grow up, you're going to have to get out of the area eventually (if only for a little while). Oh, and unless you're insanely wealthy, don't even dream of one day buying property in the city.

When one of my aunts sold her house (and this is on the Ocean Beach side of the city far from downtown), it sold for well over half a mill. And it was a fixer upper. Rent? You're going to be living with at least a couple of people if not more if you want something somewhat central.

If you do get funding, I say go for it. It is a good environment for creativity. But definitely do your homework in terms of how much you'll need to live on. Things are wicked expensive out there.

That's my two cents.

(This post was edited by WanderingTree on Jan 12, 2010, 5:12 PM)


kbritten

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Jan 12, 2010, 5:13 PM

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Re: [WanderingTree] San Franscisco [In reply to] Can't Post

WanderingTree - I couldn't have said it better, especially

"...you have a mixture of hipster idiots who are content with working at Trader Joes and getting piss drunk every night well into their late 30s and complaining about why they never meet anyone interesting, the dotcomers who are fairly normal, hippie wannabes, homeless wannabes (i.e. rich kids who think it is cool to live on the streets), and activist wannabes who will protest anything but don't really know anything about anything"

ha! You did forget to mention an entire population who cannot speak to you for more than 2 seconds without texting their life story to someone else... :)


WanderingTree


Jan 12, 2010, 5:18 PM

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Though, attractive artsy types abound. It's a great place to be single and out on the prowl ; - )

Oh, and home of Craigslist (It's on Irving street near Judah). You'll never see a more active Cragislist community apart from maybe NYC and even then I think SF has got them beat.


morganapple


Jan 12, 2010, 5:30 PM

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Re: [Colder] The Waiting Game...Crazy making [In reply to] Can't Post

Colder,

YES.


In The Lobby


Jan 12, 2010, 6:28 PM

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Re: [morganapple] The Waiting Game...Crazy making [In reply to] Can't Post

Daniv, thanks! I'm contacting the school tomorrow just to reaffirm before throwing out an additional application fee.

Kt and Wandering, wow. It was great reading your insight. I'm from a small midwestern town, so any city with over 4 stoplights, and anywhere with under 7 varieties of meatloaf would be appealing. I don't truly think I could ever live in a NY, or San Fran. That's why I'd jump at the opportunity to be there for only 2-3 years. And again, only if I was funded. But the greatest highlight of San Fran for me would be that close promixity to wine country. The appeal of the city itself comes second.

Daniv, Kt, or Wandering: What are your thoughts of Portland, OR.?


kbritten

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Jan 12, 2010, 6:55 PM

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You know, I've never been to Portland... I hear it's a nice town, very artsy, but I've never actually been there.

I understand what you're saying. I think a big reason that I'm not "impressed" by the Bay Area is because I grew up there. In Auburn, when I told people I was from CA, they freaked out and begged to know why I left. I was pretty happy in a small college town. But I was a huge food snob. Seriously, who decided that egg rolls, fried rice, and hibachi grills constitute Japanese cuisine? Good fried chicken and barbeque, though :)


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Jan 12, 2010, 7:41 PM

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Re: [Zuleika Dobson] Re:The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

At least you were smart enough to apply to ten. I'll have to expand my list should I need to apply again next year.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


Zuleika Dobson


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Jan 12, 2010, 9:12 PM

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You seem a lot more prepared writing sample-wise than I was. Look at it this way--when I get 10 rejection letters and you get into at least half of yours, you'll be happy you didn't waste the extra money. I'm sure you're a great poet. (Ever apply to our group btw?)

Kbritten, you're too kind and generous w/ praise. But just remember that I put that expat disaster at the beginning of my submission to 4 schools...


"Every spectator is a coward or a traitor."


Woon


Jan 12, 2010, 9:25 PM

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USC hires Lane Kiffin to be its new head football coach.

I hope MFA programs do something equally bizarre and offer me admission with full funding. The USC example gives me hope that life sometimes is unexpected, random, and unexplainable.


kbritten

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Jan 12, 2010, 9:30 PM

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Re: [Woon] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

OMG THAT'S HILLARIOUS, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST ABOUT THAT SO I COULD TALK ABOUT IT WITH SOMEONE! What a douchebag, gosh, on so many levels. Whatever. I never liked him (love Monte, though). What's with all the "we're going to beat Florida" bull crap and "Tennessee's gonna be great" garbage. Hey, I'll be here for a year, talk out of my ass and then leave... thank God this isn't happening to Auburn :)


WanderingTree


Jan 12, 2010, 9:52 PM

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Portland is a smaller, more laid back, a lot more outdoorsy, slightly less diverse version of San Francisco. Like Seattle, if you ask people what they are doing on the weekend, a good chunk of them will say something like hiking, camping, climbing, kayaking etc. I hope you like brands like REI, North Face and Patagonia because it's pretty much the uniform.

In Miami: "Hey bra, check out that girl in the bikini/ that guy in the speedo"

In Portland: "Dude, nice fleece! Want some homemade granola?"

Like San Francisco, Portland has a very good public transportation system for a city of its size. Oh, and Powells bookstore is a definite plus. Unlike San Francisco which has easy transportation to even distant suburbs, you're pretty much on your own on the windy roads of Oregon once you leave the city.


clinfort


Jan 12, 2010, 9:58 PM

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Re: [WanderingTree] The Waiting Game...Crazy making [In reply to] Can't Post

[Hi all, this is cross-posted with the MFA blog

RE: Writing sample

Last year I was accepted into three (out of three) MFA programs: UNH, Northern Michigan, and Oregon State off the waitlist. I ended up at NMU for funding reasons.

Half of my writing sample was already published in a literary journal (Denver Quarterly). If you guys want to compare samples check it out. It's in issue 43:1, and also recently uploaded to Kindle and Kindle for PC and iphone here:

http://www.amazon.com/Father-Crowd-ebook/dp/B0033PRYBM/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263351104&sr=8-6

Best of luck to all applicants

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daniv


Jan 12, 2010, 10:12 PM

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Ah, Portland. What to say. So much to love yet so much to miss from a larger metropolis, even though you might be lulled into forgetting that you miss it. Biggest drawback--not a hugely diverse population. Sadly not at all, and you begin to notice right away. Takes away from the charm of the city.
Many young, creative, athletic, outdoorsy types--lots of young families. As has been mentioned--decent public transport, rabid biking community, terrific restaurants. The literary arts scene is stellar, and location (close to the mountains or the ocean) can't be beat.
Downside: the city might be in love with itself a bit much at times, if a city can be accused of such a thing. Lots of artists toss out first drafts and say, "look, I made something pretty!" (across the board, here--not just writing) and that seems to be the standard.
If Portland were a puppy, it'd be a lovable golden retriever, but one that peed on the carpet just a little too long. :)


(This post was edited by daniv on Jan 12, 2010, 10:14 PM)


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Jan 12, 2010, 11:15 PM

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Re: [Zuleika Dobson] Re:The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Time will tellóI just realized a lot of the schools to which I applied have historically (according to Seth's meticulous records) begun reporting in February, which is only a couple of weeks away. Quelle horreur. (As for the group, I'm not sure it's my sceneóI'll PM you.) My current theory: if I get in this time around, hallelujah. If not, I can start preparing next fall's applications in April or May.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


Godot Eyelashes


Jan 13, 2010, 12:17 AM

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convoluted sort of deadly. not like frank stanford. deadly as in not as deadly at all. deadly as in i think her poems are really good because other people think her poems are hot. (i secretly think her poems are very boring). i am suggesting her poetry because the words (alice fulton) sound like a bullet. that if you check her works out, it might kill you sort of deadly. i want to suggest something like this: her "cascade experiment"...which i sort of read and sort of felt asleep...which i highly suggest!



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No, I haven't read her. Deadly as in Frank Stanford/Arkansas deadly? If so, where should I start?

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