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piratelizzy


Apr 13, 2007, 9:41 AM

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Re: [mlpurdy] Funding dilemma [In reply to] Can't Post

If you're happy with your job and with where you're living, you could wait until next season (almost right around the corner now) and apply again. Not being funded is less than ideal, although depending on the urgency you feel to start your MFA already, you could go ahead and take your chances. Funding options might open up over the summer... maybe. But if you can afford to wait, I'd say it's worth it to see if you can snag full funding next year.


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jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Apr 13, 2007, 10:24 AM

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That is a really hard choice, but I'd say if you like your job and don't feel you have to go and do the program right now then I'd wait. I think liking where you are getting your money from (I mean your job here) is really important. I was willing to go into debt for my MFA but only if I could keep working full time and not move so that is why I went Low-Res. Have to go with your priorties.

Best of luck to you, that is a hard choice!


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Purple Frosting


Apr 13, 2007, 11:36 AM

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Re: [xavier47] Spots Now Available [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you very much for your thoughtful encouragement.

I got in touch with New School again today, to see when a decision might be made. They confirmed to me that no decision has been made yet, but they said that they expect to make all decisions by May 1.

It is very stressful having to wait until then, but I feel, as you have just said, that this is much better thana rejection.

Best Wishes to you, and to all others who are, like me, still in suspense.


waiting


Apr 13, 2007, 3:42 PM

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Re: [jamfa] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Congrats! Out of curiosity, when did you hear from Eastern Washington? My friend and I are still waiting to hear from them. I haven't called or anything, but he did and they said he was in a holding process (we still don't know what that means) He's poetry and fiction and I only applied in fiction.


adg4s


Apr 13, 2007, 9:48 PM

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Re: [waiting] The Waiting Game...Have you heard yet??? [In reply to] Can't Post

I accepted the offer to attend UC Irvine. Thank you all for your thoughtful advice. Good luck to those of you on the waiting list at Iowa if you have not heard yet.


bighark


Apr 14, 2007, 12:11 AM

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Congratulations!


jargreen

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Apr 15, 2007, 2:57 AM

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Hey folks,

I got a question. First, congrats to all you who have made it in off waitlists and such. I'm hoping UMass will have a decision on me by the end of the week.

Okay, my question. Southern Illinois just cashed my $40 check for the application fee, despite the fact that the application deadline was February 1, and despite the fact that I received my rejection letter February 20. Is it common for programs to cash our checks this late?

Best to all,
Ryan


gcsumfa


Apr 15, 2007, 3:27 PM

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Hey folks,

I got a question. First, congrats to all you who have made it in off waitlists and such. I'm hoping UMass will have a decision on me by the end of the week.

Okay, my question. Southern Illinois just cashed my $40 check for the application fee, despite the fact that the application deadline was February 1, and despite the fact that I received my rejection letter February 20. Is it common for programs to cash our checks this late?

Best to all,
Ryan


Wouldn't surprise me. Southern Illinois has a good English Department (great rep in comp & rhetoric), but I've dealt w/ them in the past (applied for a job there) and they've always struck me as very disorganized.


gcsumfa


Apr 15, 2007, 3:58 PM

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One thing to consider -- I've got a friend that recently graduated from the Workshop in poetry and ever since he's been buzzing around the world adjuncting . He told me that a lot of the job listings he's seen for these jobs require two-year teaching experience. I don't know if that interests you -- and considering the number of schools you got accepted by, you might not need or want any work like that if you're publishing right out the door.


This is a great point.

An MFA program that offers you a "non-teaching" fellowship might be doing you more harm than good in the long run--IF you want to teach after you graduate. If not, then just ignore what I’m about to say.

Yes, you'll have "more time to write," but the bottom line is that it is extremely rare for an MFA grad to land a job by way of his or her publications right out of an MFA program. In fact, it’s pretty much impossible. This means either teaching as a full-time non-tenure track comp lecturer or getting a PhD to beef up your CV and/or buy more time w/ your publications.

You have zero shot at a creative writing job with an MFA + no book. It doesn't matter if the MFA is from Iowa, Brown, or UVA. The only people who get creative writing jobs without books are people with PhD's, and they usually have an MFA + PhD, major journal publiations (think Glimmer Train or Tin House) and many years of teaching experience. And even most of these people have at least one book.

I went to a small, out-of-the-way MFA program, but I taught 11 sections of freshman comp in two years at a TA. Now I’m teaching as a full-time comp lecturer at a major, national research institution with a nice little salary and benefits while some of my friends who had "no teaching fellowships" at more prestigious MFA programs are adjuncting at community colleges because they never picked up any teaching experience while working on their MFA's.

At the end of the day, an MFA grad's entry level job into academia will have nothing to do with his or her creative writing—it’ll have to do with his or her experience teaching freshman comp. This is the only teaching job within higher education that an MFA grad without a book can realistically expect to land, and if you don't have much teaching experience, you'll have to adjunct for like 1,500 a course w/ out any benefits for a few years before you can apply for the full-time freshman comp gigs.


xavier47


Apr 16, 2007, 12:54 PM

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Re: [gcsumfa] Greensboro and Irvine update [In reply to] Can't Post

A modest proposal. For those of you who have received acceptances but without funding, and for those without acceptances, I have a number of suggestions to consider. First don't pay the school to let you go there and then have to find the money to survive. If you can come up with, beg, borrow or steal just the minimum $10,000 it will cost to survive however meagerly for one year, then take it and get the hell out of the country. Go somewhere, do something, and write every single day. Specifics: Argentina, the wine country south of Mendoza, $750 a month will easily cover a lovely apartment and groceries, marvelous red wines and outdoor cafes and lavish dinners from time to time and traveling and learning to fly fish in high Andean lakes, excursions to Patagonia and falling in love and heart breaks, learning Spanish and teaching English and writing every single day and weekends in Buenos Aires. Or make it Greece or Kenya or Thailand or India. Live, write and work but only when and if you have to and write every day. A year and a half at least and then reapply, and you will knock their MFA socks off or you won't but you will have lived one helluva of year and if that doesn't make your writing better I don't know what will.
You say you can't find the money, okay. Get on the internet, go to Dave's ESL Cafe and there you will find about a thousand ESL jobs. The best jobs require masters degrees and certification but the majority only require a BA and native fluency in English. Go to China, go to Turkey, just get up off your feeling sorry for itself ass and
go. It wont be easy but it wont be drudgery either. You never know what you find on an adventure. You may end up loving it. No guarantees. It will do your writing good. The gods love it when you take chances. Consider the possibilities. And then go.


piratelizzy


Apr 16, 2007, 1:41 PM

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Re: [xavier47] Greensboro and Irvine update [In reply to] Can't Post

xavier, you wild dreamer, you. :-) lovely ideas.


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gasolinefight


Apr 16, 2007, 10:28 PM

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Houston [In reply to] Can't Post

Today I received a letter from Houston telling me that they received my application. Dated April 10th.

I received a rejection about a month ago.

Thanks, Houston.


kiiro


Apr 17, 2007, 3:26 AM

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Gives a whole new dimension to "Houston, we have a problem," doesn't it?


augustmaria


Apr 17, 2007, 10:32 AM

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Re: [gcsumfa] Greensboro and Irvine update [In reply to] Can't Post

Okay, we all know that MFA + no book = no good, but I know an Indiana MFA graduate got a job teaching creative writing at Vassar before he had a book published.


jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Apr 17, 2007, 11:13 AM

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Okay, we all know that MFA + no book = no good, but I know an Indiana MFA graduate got a job teaching creative writing at Vassar before he had a book published.

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I call that giving me hope!

-jessie



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piratelizzy


Apr 17, 2007, 1:41 PM

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Re: [jacarty] Greensboro and Irvine update [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know where else to post this, but I thought it would be of interest, given the events yesterday.

Lucinda Roy, who heads the CW program at Virginia Tech, has an op-ed piece in the NY Times today.

http://www.nytimes.com/...20State%20University


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jaywalke


Apr 17, 2007, 3:02 PM

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Re: [piratelizzy] Blacksburg [In reply to] Can't Post

My heart sinks each time I see that familiar VT logo on the television screen. It cannot be us. We are not an appropriate background for the Today Show and a hundred other media hounds.

My office is on the periphery of campus. I saw nothing but lines of police cars flying around the campus roads, as if they could drive fast enough to encircle madness. I've stayed away since yesterday, to allow those who knew the fallen room to grieve. I walked the dogs, who don't understand why I cry. I called a plumber to fix the leaky toilet, since I have a day off that I do not want. Everyday life continues, but the television keeps reminding me of the lives cut short. It can't be us. Not Blacksburg. This is a wonderful place to live.

The title of this thread seems appropos, as we all wait to find out if we knew the victims. The ESM faculty emailed me regularly, looking for expertise to evaluate candidates. They existed for me in the same manner that all of you do--as words on a computer screen. So, did I know them? Am I allowed to grieve for email aliases?

I work at Virginia Tech, and I applied to the MFA program. I haven't heard a word yet, which likely is not a good sign. No rejection, but no acceptance, either. I hope they call. I do. I want to be a part of this place.


jlr


Apr 17, 2007, 3:38 PM

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Thanks, Jaywalke for the update from Blacksburg, and thanks, too, to Piratelizzy for linking to the NYT Op-Ed piece.

It's an incredibly sad day for Blacksburg, for academia, and for writers--it seems that the shooter was, among other things, a frustrated writer whose plays were filled with sexual violence and revenge killing.

As we all prepare for our various MFA programs and embark on a career that, for many, will involve teaching writing, this tragedy is a reminder that our future posts will involve more than helping writers show, not tell. We will be not only writers, but also educators responsible for defending freedom of expression and for fostering a safe and open learning environment.

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From ABC News:

Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of Virginia Tech's English department, is quoted as saying a colleague, Lucinda Roy, described Cho as "troubled." According to a report from the Associated Press, Roy was concerned enough about what Cho wrote in an assignment last year that she recommended he seek counseling.

TheSmokingGun.com has posted the text of a play, purported to be by Cho, which describes a 13-year-old boy who accuses his stepfather of pedophelia, and ends with the boy's death. In the play, titled "Richard McBeef," the boy talks of killing his stepfather.

"There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

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Have any recent developments dug up concerns you all face about a future in teaching?


jrosello
Jarod
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Apr 17, 2007, 6:08 PM

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I found out today (via email) that University of Minnesota has forwarded my application to the program from the graduate school! Even though they rejected me about three months ago.

I will be expecting a second rejection notice.


Arkinese


Apr 27, 2007, 2:22 PM

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Hi all -- I've got a bit of a problem. I'm still waiting on two schools who had late admissions dates. I was told by one that they were having their final meeting on Monday and that I would "hear word soon after." The other one hasn't received my second rec letter which is irritatingly maddening at this point because...

I was offered a newspaper job which I applied for on Monday...and I'm not sure if I should take it because I would hate to commit and then get an offer from one of the schools and be like "Oh, sorry. Gotta go." I like both newspaper and creative writing equally but the hiring manager is pushing for a decision. I'm going to try to talk her into giving me the weekend to decide after she answers some specific questions about salary and hours (I want to pin everything down beforehand).

Oy vey, what a mess. Anybody have any suggestions about how I should handle this insane juggling act?


Glinda Bamboo


May 1, 2007, 4:39 PM

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Dude, the newspaper job should be able to wait at least a week for your decision. If they're pushing you that hard, they must want you and can wait. And they haven't even sent a formal salary offer or schedule? That's crazy. They sound desperate for someone, and in my experience, a desperate employer trying to make you commit to the position ASAP is a red flag. I'm not saying don't take the job...just make them wait a reasonable time for you to make up your mind. Good luck.


Arkinese


May 1, 2007, 4:49 PM

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Thanks for the advice. I got the info I needed from them re: salary, hours, benefits, etc. before I made a decision. Then I did the whole pros/cons list which included the possibility of deferring if I was accepted somewhere. And I ended up deciding to take the job because it's where you start if you want to work newspaper and for me, it really is a toss-up. I'll probably reapply to some MFA programs this fall/winter for next year if I feel like I want to go back in that direction come August/September. So I'm sure I'll be around to check in with everyone then.


pongo
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May 1, 2007, 5:17 PM

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Re: [Arkinese] Issues... [In reply to] Can't Post

And you can keep the job and get a low-res MFA. The guy who won last year's (I think it was) Bakeless Prize is an editor at the Newark Star-Ledger.


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Arkinese


May 1, 2007, 5:36 PM

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Ooh, good call! I'll definitely have to look at those programs too. Thanks!


monarca


Jan 24, 2008, 1:14 PM

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Hmm, we probably need a thread for this. There's an "In" thread and a "Rejected" thread... but what about limbo? A "I Can't Possibly Do Anything But Wait (And Maybe Drink)" thread.

I'm getting neeeervoous, too.

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