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umass76


Sep 26, 2010, 10:53 PM

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Shenanigan C,

A complete listing of every CW Ph.D. in the world is here.

Best,
Seth
Most Recent Huffington Post Article: The Decline of the New York City MFA


(This post was edited by umass76 on Sep 26, 2010, 10:54 PM)


jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Sep 28, 2010, 10:28 AM

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Shenanigan and steph you guys give me hopes that maybe I should do it...

Decisions! If I do the two programs that would be practical wouldn't be creative writing, they'd be literature or rhetoric/comp which would be fine by me as I already have the MFA, adjunct work and a poetry book out.

But, both programs are 1.5 hours away *sigh* and my husband can't really move right now. He also works at a TV station! Hard work to find :)


http://jessiecarty.com


cinamonsticks


Oct 21, 2010, 1:33 PM

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Hello! I recently graduated with an MFA in Creative Writing and I am now readying myself to apply to some programs with PhDs in English (Creative Writing emphasis) or PhD in Creative Writing. Does having an MFA put me at a disadvantage? Someone I talked to was under the belief that Creative Writing PhD programs don't want people with MFAs. I hope that is not the case!

Thanks!


Tabula Rasta

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Oct 21, 2010, 2:08 PM

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I never heard that having an MFA is an impediment to getting a PhD. I know (and know of) several MFAs who are in the process right now of earning PhDs. I wonder if your source is misinformed.


jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Oct 26, 2010, 10:34 AM

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I'd second this. Pretty much everyone I know who is considering or is in a Creative Writing PhD has an MFA!


http://jessiecarty.com


Bagels


Oct 26, 2010, 3:41 PM

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Yeah, it looks like most programs actually require an MFA or MA for you to apply.

I'm applying to seven schools:

Ohio
North Texas
Houston
Georgia State
Florida State
Wisconsin-Milwaukee
UI-Chicago

Good luck to everyone applying this year.


cinamonsticks


Oct 28, 2010, 5:22 PM

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Good luck to you! I've also begun the process of applying to...

Georgia, Texas Tech, UI-Chicago, Ohio, Florida State, Denver, Houston & Cincinnati

I recently went to Seth Abramson's blog and realized those are all in his top 10 rankings! I meant to diversify a little better. Is it a bad call to only apply to the programs above?

Thanks!


Bagels


Oct 28, 2010, 5:54 PM

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Hey Cinnamonsticks,

I guess it really depends on so many factors: faculty, location, funding, etc. I'm in a weird situation because I have an MFA but no Bachelor's. Some programs will let me apply, some won't. My list above is all schools who will let me apply. It took a lot of querying to get a straight answer. Anyway, in a way it made my list easier. I also liked Tennessee and Utah, but they won't let me apply. I'd be thrilled to get into any of the programs I'm applying to. Houston is my first choice, though, mostly because I have a friend who love it there and I really like the faculty.

Good luck!


gcsumfa


Nov 18, 2010, 11:27 PM

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Yeah, it looks like most programs actually require an MFA or MA for you to apply.

I'm applying to seven schools:

Ohio
North Texas
Houston
Georgia State
Florida State
Wisconsin-Milwaukee
UI-Chicago

Good luck to everyone applying this year.


FWIW,

I've heard that the funding situation at GSU is dire--as in, hardly anyone received funding last year.


gcsumfa


Nov 18, 2010, 11:54 PM

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I've also been toying with the idea of getting a traditional/literature PhD after the MFA. Does anyone have any experience with/thoughts on this?


I think one of the misconceptions about the PhD in "CW" is the "CW" part. Incoming students often think the degree is an extension of the MFA. Honestly, in many programs--I'm sure there are exceptions--the primary difference is the dissertation.

While many of these programs have workshop req's, students are often able to count a few MFA workshops toward this req., so it's not uncommon at all for a CW PhD student to only take 1-2 workshops in 4-5 years.

In a CW PhD program, you'll still take qualifying exams in multiple lit areas, just like the lit students, and you'll still have to fulfill the same basic core lit req's as the lit students. Passing qualifying exams will qualify you as a generalist.

Unless you want to specialize in a literature area--and publish in that area for the rest of your life in addition to publishing your CW--I see no reason to go for a traditional lit PhD if your primary area is still CW (I'm not including the kinds of hybrid programs like Wiscy that are sometimes out there in my understanding of "traditional"). You'll have a difficult time getting into traditional a program unless you have a serious yearning to pursue scholarship beyond grad school. The scholars at these schools will only want to work with you if you want to become a scholar.

Basically, I think you have to consider the following two questions carefully:

1) Do you want to specialize in a literary area--and publish scholarship in that area--in addition to specializing and publishing in CW for the rest of your career? If so, consider the traditional PhD so that you can write a critical dissertation that will prepare you for the kind of research skills you'll need to succeed in the academic book publishing market.

2) Do you want to be qualified as a "generalist"--as someone who is able to teach undergrad lit courses in addition to courses in your primary field, CW? Maybe as someone who might publish an article here or there, but as secondary to your output in fiction, poetry, or CNF? If so, consider the CW PhD.


Bagels


Nov 24, 2010, 11:02 AM

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Thanks for letting me know. I think a lot of programs are facing cuts. I'm going to apply and keep my fingers crossed.


kdge


Dec 3, 2010, 11:27 AM

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Kghoerth and others,
I am also very interested in receiving my PhD in English w/ creative dissertation and plan on applying next year, however I have seen many people discussing a phd in rhet/comp instead to secure jobs in the future. I emailed several schools about this, to see if I could apply to a rhet/comp program with an MFA, and I was told "the MFA is not sufficient to study on PhD level in rhetoric and composition". Basically, I was told from professors and graduate coordinators, that I was simply "barking up the wrong tree" and without a significant background in technical writing, I wouldn't be enough competition for those who have that background and are applying to those programs.

After taking a rhetoric class in the english department at the school where I'm getting my MFA, I understand how having not really studied rhetoric (I'm a fiction concentration) that it might be more difficult. I'm interested in why many people feel they might really have a better chance in obtaining a phd in rhet/comp after an MFA, which is such an artistic degree and in some programs, none academic degree. (I say none academic, because many people can receive MFA's without ever having to take an English class for their masters.)


(This post was edited by kdge on Dec 3, 2010, 11:28 AM)


kghoerth



Dec 3, 2010, 12:09 PM

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Kdge,

Yeah - thanks for the insight :-)

I'm kind of coming to terms with this fact, as well. While my MFA program required that we take at least two courses in rhet/comp, you're right - it's just not enough.

At the moment I'm thinking to audit and or take just graduate level courses aside from my MFA. I work at a university so for me this is doable and best of all - free. I love having an MFA, but as far as being ready to participate as a scholar in rhet comp... mmm... not so much.

So at this point, I'm still on the fence. I'm a little intimidated by the whole PhD thing, but will be applying not this season but the next (need to take that lit GRE test which is kind of killer, finish prepping a really stellar writing sample, SOP... ect... there's so much to do). Right now I'm thinking to get a PhD in just straight English lit, emphasis on poetry and poetics. If I can manage to get into a great CW PhD program, hey - I'd take that, too.

But yes, thanks for the insight. I agree with you (:

Katie


sarandipidy


Dec 11, 2010, 10:32 PM

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This thread seems a little quiet. Who is applying to Ph.D programs in poetry this year? I'm not applying to many programs, just a couple. Does anyone know how important the GRE Lit test is? How low can you go? I did about "average" on it...


Scaryrobot


Dec 12, 2010, 6:27 PM

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I'm applying in fiction. I've heard they're not super important, but I am a total newbie to this process. I decided to apply at the last possible second, and haven't even seen my subject GRE scores yet. Good luck with the application process. I am trying not to stress about it, but I am kind of stressing anyway.


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Bagels


Dec 13, 2010, 1:50 PM

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Yeah, I've heard the lit scores aren't that important. Still haven't gotten mine yet. Only two of the schools I'm applying to even want them (Houston and Florida State). I'm also applying in poetry.

And, yeah, why is this thread so quiet? Maybe there are less people applying this year? More cake for us!


kghoerth



Dec 14, 2010, 10:22 AM

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I really wanted to apply this year, but finishing up MFA thesis proves to be all time consuming and deadlines are sneaking up on me. Plus that GRE lit exam really spooked me. So... next year (: hopefully I'll join ya~ and umm... Houston's totally at the top of my wish list. But isn't it for everyone? LoL.


sarandipidy


Dec 14, 2010, 12:15 PM

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You guys can both call to get your scores (but you have to pay 12 dollars). There's a number on the website. I had to pay $24 dollars because they messed up and accessed the wrong records, so make sure that doesn't happen to you.

I heard the score doesn't matter too much even for traditional English Ph.D programs, so I'm hoping it's even less important for the CW Ph.D. There's a list of rather prestigious programs that no longer require it (UPenn, Brown, Columbia, Duke, UChicago, UNorth Carolina...).

Columbia even says right on its application page: Our department does not require the GRE Subject Test in English literature, which we regard as unsubstantive and not predictive of the quality of graduate work. Because it's true! Let's hope every program finds this truth in time. I do have to say it's telling that no other humanities field has a GRE Subject test.

A warning to those who will take the test in the future: The November test was quite reading comp heavy, which ruined my timing. It was unlike the practice tests sent by ETS. A whole different animal. It felt like long passage over long passage of "interpreting."

I did better on my final two practice tests by fifty (or so) points, but the questions on those seemed more trivia-oriented.

Which means, so long as I didn't mark some wrong bubbles when I was skipping answers, ETS thinks I have the reading comprehension of a goat.

Oh well. I'll get over it.


Bagels


Dec 14, 2010, 3:24 PM

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You guys can both call to get your scores (but you have to pay 12 dollars). There's a number on the website. I had to pay $24 dollars because they messed up and accessed the wrong records, so make sure that doesn't happen to you.

I heard the score doesn't matter too much even for traditional English Ph.D programs, so I'm hoping it's even less important for the CW Ph.D. There's a list of rather prestigious programs that no longer require it (UPenn, Brown, Columbia, Duke, UChicago, UNorth Carolina...).

Columbia even says right on its application page: Our department does not require the GRE Subject Test in English literature, which we regard as unsubstantive and not predictive of the quality of graduate work. Because it's true! Let's hope every program finds this truth in time. I do have to say it's telling that no other humanities field has a GRE Subject test.

A warning to those who will take the test in the future: The November test was quite reading comp heavy, which ruined my timing. It was unlike the practice tests sent by ETS. A whole different animal. It felt like long passage over long passage of "interpreting."

I did better on my final two practice tests by fifty (or so) points, but the questions on those seemed more trivia-oriented.

Which means, so long as I didn't mark some wrong bubbles when I was skipping answers, ETS thinks I have the reading comprehension of a goat.

Oh well. I'll get over it.


Ditto on the GRE Subject test I took in November. It was awful, and not like the ETS or Princeton Review practice tests. I only answered about 180 of the 230 questions. Lots of long reading comprehension sections, little basic recognition of passages by author, era, school, et. I felt tricked, and I had to sit for almost three hours hunched over what felt like a kindergarten desk with people right on top of me.


Scaryrobot


Dec 14, 2010, 11:40 PM

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I know! I took that ETS sample test and thought it was totally fine, but I couldn't even finish the actual exam. I really wasn't expecting that. It felt like a speed reading test. Thanks for the info about calling to get scores. I think I'm gonna let that puppy come to me, though. No need to search it out.


jacarty
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Dec 21, 2010, 10:42 AM

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There's a new PhD in Rhetoric opening in my area soon and when I looked over it, I realized it wasn't quite what I wanted to do. The MFA gives me the credential to teach comp (and other courses) at the community college and even university level (granted non-tenure track stuff cause they want the PhD's for the upper level courses) so if I really want to do a lot of teaching at higher than community college my focus should be on publication and prizes rather than the PhD.

So I'm just focusing on writing and enjoying my community college students :)


http://jessiecarty.com


Bagels


Dec 27, 2010, 2:34 PM

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Just finished the online applications for UIC, Florida State, and Georgia State. Very impersonal, lots of redundant questions, and overall a huge pain in the arse. If they're getting most of the stuff on paper, I don't see why we should have to sit here for hours scrolling down endless menus to enter info they already have. Hmmph. Four more to go . . .


Scaryrobot


Jan 7, 2011, 7:18 PM

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Does anyone know when USC notifies? When should I start freaking out? I'm not really sure what to do with myself, and I figure totally freaking out might be a good use of my time.


Bagels


Jan 8, 2011, 12:13 PM

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Does anyone know when USC notifies? When should I start freaking out? I'm not really sure what to do with myself, and I figure totally freaking out might be a good use of my time.


When is their application deadline? The schools I'm applying to say they respond around March, April at the latest.

Good luck!


umass76


Jan 17, 2011, 4:39 PM

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Just wanted to let everyone here know about a newly-created site, The Creative Writing PhD Blog.

If there's enough interest and participation, it will be regularly maintained as a sister blog to the already well-known site, The Creative Writing MFA Blog.

Enjoy!

-- Seth

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