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bgness


Mar 16, 2010, 5:57 PM

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Does anyone have any insight into the programs at Southern Mississippi or Louisiana-Lafayette? It's very hard to find information about these programs, other than from the respective websites. Southern Mississippi looks like it was a strong program in the past, and I'm wondering if it still is.


kliq


Mar 16, 2010, 8:41 PM

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I know people that have gone to both Southern Miss and Lafayette. They told me that despite some exceptions, the writers tend to be on the weak side with very few publications to speak of, if any. This is poetry, mind you. I can't speak for the fiction side.

Also keep in mind this may be different now...this is just what I've been told.


(This post was edited by kliq on Mar 16, 2010, 8:45 PM)


gcsumfa


Mar 16, 2010, 11:54 PM

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Does anyone have any insight into the programs at Southern Mississippi or Louisiana-Lafayette? It's very hard to find information about these programs, other than from the respective websites. Southern Mississippi looks like it was a strong program in the past, and I'm wondering if it still is.


Don't know much about ULL, but I've heard good things about the fiction side of USM, in terms of the faculty (Barthelme brothers). The main issue I have with USM, though, is that it's a 3 year program. I can't imagine doing a PhD in 3 years while teaching 2 courses a semester. That would be insanely stressful.


Brit


Mar 16, 2010, 11:55 PM

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I've been watching the posts for a couple of weeks now but am only now posting. Congratulations to all who have received acceptances or are waitlisted!

I have applied to ten PhD fiction programs:

rejections: University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Western Michigan, Texas Tech, University of Chicago-Illinois.

Haven't heard: University of Houston, University of Denver, Florida State University, Ohio University, SUNY Albany, University of Utah

I'm assuming rejections across the board seeing as Florida, Utah, Denver and Houston have made offers according to forums and thegradcafe etc. I have no idea on Ohio or Albany, but I'm feeling rather bummed. :(. On the positive, I'm thinking of teaching in Dubai and paying off my student loans. At the same time I can garner writing material. I don't know.

Anyways, I just thought I'd post because I'm not sure what else to do at this point.


Brit


Mar 17, 2010, 12:01 PM

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Sorry, I guess I didn't really ask my question: has anybody heard anything otherwise about schools above that might make me hopeful? Or am I accurate in thinking rejections?

Thanks, I'm new to message boards in general--so I'm a little slow!


ad785


Mar 17, 2010, 12:19 PM

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Been reading through this off and on for a while. This is my second year applying to CW PhD programs. Last year, I applied to UIC (waitlisted and eventually rejected) and Kansas (rejected).

This year, I applied to four:
UIC--Rej.
Milwaukee--Accepted! Waitlisted for funding, though
South Dakota (haven't seen anyone else that applied)--Still waiting
Georgia State--Still waiting

Pretty sure my mailbox lid is going to fall off as much as I check it. And my email is probably getting a little sick of me--you know, if it weren't a computer program.

(This post was edited by ad785 on Mar 17, 2010, 12:20 PM)


kliq


Mar 17, 2010, 1:33 PM

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I know GSU was on spring break last week so I believe they'll be making decisions either this week or next week. thegradcafe seems to validate this based on previous years.


Coconut Joe



Mar 17, 2010, 2:14 PM

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Does anyone have any insight into the programs at Southern Mississippi or Louisiana-Lafayette? It's very hard to find information about these programs, other than from the respective websites. Southern Mississippi looks like it was a strong program in the past, and I'm wondering if it still is.


If you have access to ProQuest, you can browse through CW PhD dissertations from a program of your interest. I found the quality of dissertations at some schools just laughable.


fjp


Mar 17, 2010, 4:57 PM

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Hello PhDers.

I was surprised yesterday to receive an acceptance email from Houston (for the PhD in poetry). I was wait-listed over the weekend and was prepared for a long wait. I am nominated for a TAship--so I will have to see how that turns out. I am very excited because it was my first choice!

I also applied to Denver and haven't heard a peep from them, so I assume rejection. I hope all of you hear good news soon. I will keep checking in to see how it all turns out for you all.


abcd

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Mar 17, 2010, 5:38 PM

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Congratulations fjp! I am so happy for you!! Did you accept on the spot or will you visit or wait to hear about the TAship? I am expecting a long wait for the waitlist so if you hear anything about more Houston's waitlist let me know. :o)


abcd

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Mar 17, 2010, 5:39 PM

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Coconut Joe--

Any schools in particular stand out to you positively or negatively re: dissertations?


fjp


Mar 17, 2010, 5:58 PM

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Thank you, abcd! I am actually a little unsure of when I should accept. I am 99% sure I will be going, but I guess it does hinge on the TAship. But in order to get the TAship, do I have to accept first? The program director said they were waiting from the University to see how many TAships were available. I would have loved to accept on the spot, but the funding held me back. What would others do in this situation? I guess it's pretty common... I do plan on visiting in the next couple of weeks.

Regarding the wait-list, he said things should be shifting around a lot in the next two weeks, so maybe you will hear something soon too! He seems like a really sweet guy and very helpful, so I'm sure he would be open to talking to you if you felt like calling.


Brit


Mar 17, 2010, 6:49 PM

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Congratulations fjp! How exciting :D. Your post gives me a little hope that maybe I might have a chance somewhere--although this is a dangerous prospect.

I would definitely wait until you hear about the TAship. Although, I'm finishing an MFA at the moment and I started without a TA the first year but received full funding (TA) for the last two years. It's a scary gamble--but I think schools might be more receptable to giving a present student a TA over an incoming? I'm not sure.

Good luck! I hope you hear back from Denver soon. I am still waiting...


abcd

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Mar 17, 2010, 7:17 PM

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I second Brit's opinion. It would be a gamble and I might be in the same situation this year, too but it would be tough for me to justify the cost of...I do know of someone who (I think) was not offered a TA-ship or much funding (maybe none) his first year but went on to get a TA-ship. He's in his last year and teaching creative writing at UH now.


sicofelephants


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Mar 17, 2010, 11:30 PM

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Hooray for Houston! It's a great place, for sure :-)

re: Denver, I gave them a call (again) and was told they apparently don't notify rejections until their offers of acceptance are settled. They also don't notify waitlists, according to what I was told, they just move on down the line if acceptees decline the offer, and said line is not officially disclosed. So I don't know that there's any way to know where you stand unless you sack up and contact someone besides the front desk at the Eng. dept. I dunno if I sacked up so much as got a bit impatient/bratty and contacted a faculty member yesterday. I just got tired of seeing "not available" on my online app. "decision." **edit ** to clarify, I called the front desk at the Eng dept and after feeling less than satisfied with their answer, emailed a faculty member. Still waiting on a reply email.

It's bullroar that they make us wait. Bullroar, I tells ya!


(This post was edited by sicofelephants on Mar 17, 2010, 11:35 PM)


abcd

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Mar 18, 2010, 12:59 AM

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To the mattresses, sicofelephants!

Re:houston. Am I the only one surprised at the number of offers going out that do not guarantee funding? Milwaukee, dear Milwaukee, has a history (I am now learning from previous posts) of not funding. And now Houston has a waitlist for funding, too? Not on my happy list!


fjp


Mar 18, 2010, 1:36 AM

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Thanks for all the input! I definitely think I will cool my heels a bit and see what Houston ends up saying about funding. I'm not sure what I would do if I couldn't be funded. The main reason for me to go to a PhD program is to get experience teaching, something I didn't get during my MFA. I will definitely keep you all updated if I hear anything. Night!


jaywalke


Mar 18, 2010, 8:02 AM

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Am I the only one surprised at the number of offers going out that do not guarantee funding?


It doesn't surprise me, given the budget cuts at the state level, and the general market malaise that is keeping endowments from bouncing back.


franz

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Mar 18, 2010, 11:56 AM

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Thanks for calling DU. Wow. I'm glad I know that little piece of information now. We may be in for quite a long wait, considering that many who were accepted won't make their decision until mid-April. On the one hand, we shouldn't count on anything. On the other, I guess that means, in theory, that one of us could still get a call in the next few months. I certainly hope so.

DU is the only program I applied to, since I'm living in Boulder now. I'll probably apply to a bunch of programs next fall, since my GRE scores expire then. I just got back from a year abroad, so applying to DU was a last minute thing. Strange how quickly I went from 'might as well' to 'hope I get in.' I was ready to get a little closure on that, but now I know better than to expect it any time soon.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


Brit


Mar 18, 2010, 2:06 PM

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Sicofelephants: Thanks for checking on Denver. I'm not sure I like that we have to wait that long to get a rejection--but at least there's a little hope there, right?

ad785: I understand what you mean about checking mail, email etc. I am convinced that my postman hoards my mail because some days nobody gets mail and other days everyone does...it seems a little suspect to me! I might be turning into one of those crazy people--running around thinking that everyone else is a spy. I never used to care about the mail until I applied to programs!

Ah, the wait is killing me. I would rather know that I'm rejected across the board than wait, wait, wait. Patience is a virtue I do not possess.


kliq


Mar 18, 2010, 2:53 PM

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I'd personally like to thank March Madness to get my mind off obsessing about getting into schools.


Coconut Joe



Mar 19, 2010, 11:34 AM

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Coconut Joe--

Any schools in particular stand out to you positively or negatively re: dissertations?


It's obvious that the quality is the worst at programs that admit anyone who's willing to pay for their degree.

Below is an excerpt from the excellent advice for prospective applicants to English PhD programs. People with some options should ask these questions before making a decision. A full list of graduates and their placement record are like top secrets for most programs. But if you have access to UMI ProQuest, you can get the list of graduates from each program and track down where they end up. For example, you might be surprised how many Houston graduates end up at community colleges in the Houston metro area. I'll say this much: it's ugly, ugly.

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Questions You Must Ask

Ask about recent job placements: ask the DGS how large each entering class is, and how many complete the PhD. Then ask how many people have been placed in tenure-track positions for each of the last three years. Ask where grads have taken jobs. Then ask a 5th or 6th year grad student the same questions. Note any discrepancies.

Beware Composition Slavery!

It is a national disgrace, but many graduate programs exist solely to provide cheap labor for universities. Bad signs:

* The program wants you to begin teaching in your first semester of study.
* All the composition courses and many of the lower-level undergraduate courses are taught by graduate students, not by professors.
* The program expects you to teach the same course (composition) over and over throughout your years of study.
* Very few students in the program complete the PhD and fewer get tenure-track jobs.

There are always exceptions, but you should be aware that teaching experience, a vital component of your graduate training, should never overwhelm the other parts: course taking, independent work, doing conferences and trying to publish articles, and dissertation-writing.


LesK
Les
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Mar 19, 2010, 2:46 PM

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Coconut Joe:

That's a good link. I would, however, suggest that beginning teaching right away isn't that bad.....particularly for incoming PhD students with teaching experience. (That link seems more geared toward undergrads doing BA-> PhD...though most everything else looks spot on for CW PhD applicants as well.)

Also, I'd suggest adding:
  • teaching load?
  • other funding sources? (e.g., dissertation year with no teaching? How likely?! Editorial funding? How likely?!)
  • opportunities to teach summer?
Definitely know what you're getting into...

Cheers,

Les


bordercrosser


Mar 19, 2010, 7:36 PM

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Greetings everyone!

I just came back from visiting Milwaukee & will be headed there in the fall. I pretty much gave the faculty coordinator 2 days notice that I was visiting & he put together a very full program for me where I got to meet a number of the faculty (even one of the main poetry faculty that is currently on sabbatical!) and get a really good sense of the community there. I found the community really supportive and welcoming and was impressed by the faculty I was able to meet with. It felt like the right program for me & didn't hurt that out of all the programs I was accepted to, this one gave me the most generous funding package so there should be a spot opening up at Denver, Hawaii, and Illinois State, if anybody is waiting for those programs. If anybody who got into Milwaukee (I've seen several of you) is interested, you can message me for more info about my visit/trip & I'll try to help out as much as I can with info.

Re: Louisiana-Lafayette. I had never heard of the program, but met one of the professors over the summer at a writing conference who encouraged me to apply. I considered it, but it didn't feel like the right fit for me. I'm not sure how helpful this is but the professor sent an e-mail to ~ 10 folks, asking them to write me about their experience in a recruiting effort. Only one did -- a grad student who wasn't a creative writer but had taken creative writing classes. He seemed very negative about the creative writing cohort as a whole.

Hope everyone is well!


sicofelephants


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Mar 19, 2010, 8:19 PM

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oh my golly, congrats on the decision! Wisconsin is AWESOME!! :-)

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