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wilmabluekitty
Wilma Weant Dague

Mar 15, 2007, 7:47 AM

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I can't say anything about the programs, but I can say that Tallahassee is a much nicer place to live than Cinci. My husband got his phd in history from FSU and we loved Tallahassee. I grew up in Dayton, and I have to say that Cincinnati is an ugly city that smells like distilleries and has a really torqued evangelical tone to its government. I'd say cost-of-living is similar, so more money is more money.


fuzen


Mar 15, 2007, 12:36 PM

Post #127 of 2090 (17548 views)
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I second fleurdelis here. I've lived on a $10k stipend in Hattiesburg for two years - I probably cook more and don't dine out as much as I used to, and cut my hair less, or buy less junk food, drink at somebody's house instead of at a bar (pbr instead of imports), but it all pretty much just fits in with whatever budget I've got. I'm less worried about the money situation than I am about fitting in with the faculty and students. The way I see it is, even if you do go into debt, over the course your PhD, with this stipend and a carefully managed budget, I don't see how you'd accumulate, say, more than $10k in debt. That's peanuts once you start working.


piratelizzy


Mar 15, 2007, 12:59 PM

Post #128 of 2090 (17542 views)
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I'd beg to differ with your "that's peanuts" qualification, fuzen. I've been working 15 years and I can tell you that middle class salaries do not leave a lot of economic wiggling room in the real world. (I drive a 12-year-old car, for instance.) While $10K of debt certainly is not insurmountable, on my real-world editor's salary now an extra loan payment every month would have to mean cutbacks and reshuffling in my already strict budget.


'sup?!


fuzen


Mar 15, 2007, 1:10 PM

Post #129 of 2090 (17531 views)
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I guess I'm speaking relatively. $10k is not peanuts. Hell, $5 isn't peanuts to me these days. But I had about $13k in debt coming out of college, and I paid it off in some years (with a middle class salary). I did have a tight budget with lots of cutbacks and such, but you know, for the education, it was well worth it. Compared to $60k coming out of some MFA programs, or $100k coming out of Columbia, $10k (if that) over five years for a PhD, to me, is not something I'd worry about.

Again, I too believe you can get by on a $10k stipend and avoid debt, if that's your primary goal. I'm just saying, even if you do pick up a little debt, I don't think it'll prevent you from taking over the world. That's what we're here for, right? Taking over the world?


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I'd beg to differ with your "that's peanuts" qualification, fuzen. I've been working 15 years and I can tell you that middle class salaries do not leave a lot of economic wiggling room in the real world. (I drive a 12-year-old car, for instance.) While $10K of debt certainly is not insurmountable, on my real-world editor's salary now an extra loan payment every month would have to mean cutbacks and reshuffling in my already strict budget.



piratelizzy


Mar 15, 2007, 2:32 PM

Post #130 of 2090 (17500 views)
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Taking over the world on $5/day. Oh, yeah.


'sup?!


gcsumfa


Mar 15, 2007, 2:35 PM

Post #131 of 2090 (17497 views)
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David,

What's your take on UGA? I was rejected from their so-called CW PhD program too, and--not saying this because I'm bitter--but I get a bad vibe about that place.


gcsumfa


Mar 15, 2007, 2:42 PM

Post #132 of 2090 (17489 views)
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Oh, about Cincinnati, that's where Brad Vice did his PhD. He was a rising star before the whole plagiarism debacle with that story in "The Bear Bryant Funeral Train" (won FOC Award).


bktv


Mar 17, 2007, 3:37 PM

Post #133 of 2090 (17405 views)
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In case anyone was waiting/wondering—Houston has sent out rejection letters. I got one today (fiction). Congrats to everyone who got in at any school for the PhD. They all seem very competitive. I think I'm done this year. All that remains is the FSU rejection letter. I'm guessing early next week.


fuzen


Mar 17, 2007, 6:01 PM

Post #134 of 2090 (17386 views)
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It ain't over till it's over, bktv. You never know.


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In case anyone was waiting/wondering—Houston has sent out rejection letters. I got one today (fiction). Congrats to everyone who got in at any school for the PhD. They all seem very competitive. I think I'm done this year. All that remains is the FSU rejection letter. I'm guessing early next week.



fuzen


Mar 22, 2007, 12:36 PM

Post #135 of 2090 (17325 views)
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Waitlisted at Houston's PhD for fiction - letter arrived today, dated 3/19.

There is a glaring error in the letter:

"Also we would appreciate knowing if you accept a spot at another school, so that we cannot contact the next applicant on our wait-list."

I thought it was funny.


ehiggg


Mar 24, 2007, 9:22 PM

Post #136 of 2090 (17254 views)
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Fuzen, did you go to USM? I just got in there for the Ph.D. (poetry), but it seems like a brutal pace--3 yrs for coursework & dissertation plus teaching two courses per semester. Nice to know you made it $-wise, though. Did all the Ph.D.s seem viciously harried?


fuzen


Mar 25, 2007, 1:27 AM

Post #137 of 2090 (17225 views)
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I'm about to finish my MA here, yeah. We're all pretty busy, but nobody's fazed by it. (And to be honest, I still get to waste more time than I should be doing.) I have no idea what grad school life is like outside of this program. The poets here are a great bunch. My roommate is one of them, if you want someone to e-mail with. Write me at jwang@juked.com.


fuzen


Mar 26, 2007, 12:32 AM

Post #138 of 2090 (17174 views)
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Oh and just to be clear, nobody here seems "viciously hurried." We all write, and we go to class, and we teach, and we send out work and try to get published. Though we have to take literature classes, and though they're clearly important, this program is all about creative writing, about working to become published/established poets and writers. For what it's worth, the poets here all seem to me very happy with the program. My roommate only applied to a few PhD programs outside of USM, all dream list schools, because she'd rather stay here otherwise.


fuzen


Mar 26, 2007, 5:24 PM

Post #139 of 2090 (17122 views)
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Just in case this means something to someone: I'm taking myself off of Houston's wait list (fiction PhD). It's FSU for me. Good luck!


bktv


Mar 31, 2007, 3:43 PM

Post #140 of 2090 (17059 views)
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Rejected from FSU 3/31 by mail.

1) Name misspelled.

2) No signature, not even a stamped one! Still, there was a sincerely. (Somewhat undercut by the lack of signature.)

3) Two different fonts used in the body of the letter! It's the two-tone approach!

4) Letter folded into three nearly equal parts, and then a little sliver at the top! Classy!

5) Outside of envelope had no logo, but a "Return Service Requested" stamp on it. What?! (At first, this led me to believe that it might be a wait list notification.)

6) Back of envelope was taped shut! Sweet!

On the plus side, it was a decently-written letter without any glaring errors. Mostly, I am just reacting to the fact that I won't be in school for the first time since kindergarten. That, and the long, needless wait.

Congrats again to the PhD bound.


(This post was edited by bktv on Mar 31, 2007, 3:54 PM)


fuzen


Mar 31, 2007, 7:43 PM

Post #141 of 2090 (17024 views)
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Sorry to hear that, bktv. Hopefully the year off will provide you with life experiences you'll find helpful and enriching for your writing. For the next round of apps you'll have a stronger writing sample and experience/wisdom gained from this year under your belt. My money says you'll have some acceptances to choose from this time next year. Good luck with it.


bktv


Apr 1, 2007, 5:23 PM

Post #142 of 2090 (16974 views)
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Thanks Fuzen, I hope so.

Best of luck to you at FSU. And maybe when next year rolls around I'll hit you up for some of that money...


gcsumfa


Apr 1, 2007, 8:46 PM

Post #143 of 2090 (16949 views)
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Rejected from FSU 3/31 by mail.

1) Name misspelled.

2) No signature, not even a stamped one! Still, there was a sincerely. (Somewhat undercut by the lack of signature.)

3) Two different fonts used in the body of the letter! It's the two-tone approach!

4) Letter folded into three nearly equal parts, and then a little sliver at the top! Classy!

5) Outside of envelope had no logo, but a "Return Service Requested" stamp on it. What?! (At first, this led me to believe that it might be a wait list notification.)

6) Back of envelope was taped shut! Sweet!

On the plus side, it was a decently-written letter without any glaring errors. Mostly, I am just reacting to the fact that I won't be in school for the first time since kindergarten. That, and the long, needless wait.

Congrats again to the PhD bound.


HAHAHAHA, I received the same letter—in the same “condition” you described! You forgot to mention the paper quality, which was of the quality one might expect from paper purchased at Dollar General.

I really don't care, though, because I couldn’t afford to live off FSU's funding anyway. I don't have a problem with the program or the people, but I have a car payment to make and would still want to make my student loan payment each month.

I also didn't put as much effort into my applications as I should have, though that might've been a blessing-in-disguise. My writing sample was my most promising piece, but probably not the most "finished," and it would've been "safer" had I sent a more "crafted" story, if that makes sense.

I'm very lucky to have a FT comp lectureship right now, (3/3 load), plus benefits (i.e. as opposed to having to adjunct). I just can't see myself leaving that to make 10K a year while teaching just one less section of freshman comp (FSU’s load is 2/2).

Right now I'm sitting high on two waitlists, but I’m pretty much resigned to re-upping my lectureship contract for next year and re-considering this whole PhD thing. I already have an MA and an MFA and might just go with that and worry about finishing a book within the next few years. I’ve been thinking more and more about getting into community college teaching for long-term job stability (i.e. tenure) in case the publications + just an MFA aren’t enough to land me a tenure track job at a four year college or university.

I think I might apply for one of those Wisconsin Institute Fellowship spots next year.

Anyway, congrats to everyone on being accepted to PhD programs. It's a lot more competitive than I org. thought it would be.

BTW, has anyone heard anything from Denver for fiction? I'm assuming I was rejected from there as well, but who knows.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Apr 1, 2007, 9:45 PM)


fuzen


Apr 2, 2007, 6:45 PM

Post #144 of 2090 (16880 views)
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You can call Denver to find out - they've made their decisions. My roommate called and was told she didn't get in. She's a poet, but I figure by now they've wrapped up both.

Good luck with your plans, gcsumfa. So long as we keep writing, we'll come out okay. My only fear is if I ever give it up.


gcsumfa


Apr 2, 2007, 6:57 PM

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You can call Denver to find out - they've made their decisions. My roommate called and was told she didn't get in. She's a poet, but I figure by now they've wrapped up both.

Good luck with your plans, gcsumfa. So long as we keep writing, we'll come out okay. My only fear is if I ever give it up.


Yeah, funny that you mentioned your friend calling DU, because I just now emailed the director before reading your post!

I’ve never really been able to get a good read on DU; they have a strange website that’s hard to navigate. Also, their website mentions full funding for the first three years, and then “adjunct work” for the 4th year. Because DU is a private school, does this mean people have to pay private school tuition rates after the third year?!

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, fuzen! You're right that what matters most is that we all keep writing; I might try again next year, might not, but I'm still going to write that page-a-day!


bktv


Apr 2, 2007, 9:05 PM

Post #146 of 2090 (16854 views)
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That's good advice. I just sent in my MFA thesis, so I didn't write today. I think I will apply next year—my writing should be much better by then...

Good luck to both of you in this crazy business...

Brent


gcsumfa


Apr 2, 2007, 9:23 PM

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That's good advice. I just sent in my MFA thesis, so I didn't write today. I think I will apply next year—my writing should be much better by then...

Good luck to both of you in this crazy business...

Brent


Congrats on sending off your MFA thesis, Brent.

In regards to the MFA thesis, I think the fact that I sent one of my thesis stories as my writing sample hurt me. Like a lot of MFA’ers, I wasn’t able to see my “growth” as a writer until I left my MFA program. The stories I'm writing now as a result of writing my MFA thesis, which will never leave my desk drawer, are much, much better.

What the MFA taught me was to write longer stories. Before the MFA, a ten page story seemed like a long story. Anyway.

I feel down now because I really don't think these programs saw work that represents where I'm at now, but I really had no choice because my “post-MFA” stuff wasn’t ready before the application deadlines. Ughhhhh.


LesK
Les
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Apr 6, 2007, 12:11 PM

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Maybe a bit too soon, but is anyone out there thinking about 2008 apps for PhDs?

And any advice from those who got in....?


GDClark
George David Clark
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Apr 6, 2007, 1:06 PM

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I'll be applying for 2008 matriculation also. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.


gcsumfa


Apr 6, 2007, 5:26 PM

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Assuming I’m not admitted off Ohio’s or Texas Tech’s waiting list, I will be applying for 2008. Forgive my temporary rants posted on this thread a few days ago;-)

I learned a lot of lessons the first time around, and after consulting with my MFA thesis advisor (who did his PhD at Houston), have renewed confidence for next year. My advice is to perform more careful research than you might've performed for MFA programs. I’ve learned that PhD programs are much more competitive (i.e. Ohio only accepted two fiction writers this year...out of 60+ applicants) and seem to vary insofar as their approach, so fit is even more important to consider when applying. For instance, I realized—albeit too late—that some PhD “creative writing” programs lean heavier on lit than others, so if you have more of a studio background like I do your chances might be less than one with more of a litcrit background.

Also, look for programs that put themselves out there in terms of advertising the creative writing option. You’ll notice that some programs, like Western Michigan and Houston, go out of their way to promote their programs in PW and AWP Writer’s Chronicle, while others, like Nebraska and Tennessee, are never heard from insofar as putting their programs out there. This year, I’m only applying to the programs that clearly take creative writing seriously; in other words, programs that don’t send the “oh-you-can-write-your-cute-little-creative-dissertation” vibe.

Finally, the types of courses you’ll be allowed to teach is a very important consideration. Look for programs that allow you to teach more than just comp. Western Michigan—you can tell that I’m kicking myself for not applying there—allows PhD’s to teach CW and lit fairly soon. Others, like UGA, allow you to "assist" a professor's lit survey section. Um, no. Bad vibe there. Having complete control over your own sections of lit and CW is obviously huge for your CV.

These are the programs that I’m really interested in right now:

Ohio
Texas Tech
Missouri
Western Michigan
Utah

(I would list Houston, but I'm looking to avoid big cities. re: cost of living).

(I really like USM, but I want more than 3 years to complete a PhD).


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Apr 6, 2007, 5:36 PM)

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