Mar 6, 2010, 8:54 PM
Post #1708 of 2090
As far as I can recall, GCSUMFA is a man. If he is actually a "she," I would never have used that kind of language. I've called a man a "twat" probably 5 times in my life -- it's not my favorite insult, it's not even in the top 100 (and I'm not big on insults generally, except with trolls) -- but I'm certain I've never said that to a woman. If GCSUMFA is a woman, well, then I do retract that comment and I do apologize. In that case I would probably change the slur to "prick."
Dude, that still strikes me as seriously sexist. Gender should never matter in an insult. I, personally, hate everyone equally. ;-)
To be fair, Seth, did you not begin the discussion of CW PhD v. the "semi-trad" PhD like the one you attend?
Personally, I think we should all step back for a second & think a little bit about ethos as I teach my students....
What kind of persona do you want to present on this thread? Me? I stick around for three reasons: 1) it's a bad habit 2) I like seeing people dream and succeed (congrats, btw, to bordercrosser for more great news) 3) I hope I can help a little now and again.
Generally speaking, I function under the assumption that those of us who are not refreshing the boards every hour hoping for news and getting dizzy each time an unfamiliar area code comes up on caller ID are here for similar reasons. More, I assume that most of us really do want to help in whatever small way we can.
So...if we erase the name calling, the contentiousness, the blah, blah, blah, what we have might actually be an interesting debate about the viability of a CW PhD.
Now, let's look at this rhetorically....does Seth have a vested interest in suggesting that a program like Wis-Mad may be superior to the CW PhD track? We have to say, yes, it may appear that way regardless of whether or not the information presented by him is skewed by the fact of his attendance. What about gcsumfa? Does the fact of his attendance at one of the better CW PhD's suggest that he might have a vested interest in the outcome of this debate? Umm...yeah.
Does this suggest that either will have more success than the other on the job market (or than me, one of the horrified CW PhD, poets both have been arguing over the viability of their employment)? Actually, no.
No one has noted that there is more to a hire than a book (or two or three). A CV is, remember, please, more than one's creative publications. And if it isn't...well, I'm sorry your CV looks like mine, but you might want to stay off the job market a while....
Moreover, no one has yet noted that jobs searches can be very specific....Getting a CW PhD with an exam area (and scholarly publications) in Victorian Lit.... I might know a place where you can get a gig....because that college has a need in that area....and the college is small enough that they'd like someone who can do multiple things and carry a 4/4 load.
So, if we're going to continue on whether or not one can get hired with a CW PhD, can we please, please focus on that which might help these folks?
Because the truth is....that job that Coconut Joe posted earlier....at Wayne State College (not University, College) got 800 applicants. So, getting a TT job, even at a lower tier school is amazingly difficult.
How might one make it less difficult? What should you do (aside from publish 3 books...we get that part already) to stand out from the other thousand people who want the job you want? What sort of service work? What sort of editorial work? What sort of scholarly work?
Because, in my opinion, that's the bottom line. You have to stand out. Or win a National Book Award. Or _________. And for some jobs, you should be prepared to do both.