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umass76


Mar 5, 2010, 1:28 AM

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GCSU: Huh? I don't know what you're driving at -- you made pretty clear that you couldn't see any way the non-CW doctoral study of either poetry or fiction could have anything whatsoever to do with writing in either mode. You consistently and gratingly referred to it as "scholarship" and assured all of us that anyone who did a critical dissertation was somehow chained to a life -- no choice in the matter! None! -- of MLA conferences and scholarly articles. I disagreed with you. I'm not smug about thinking you're wrong, I just think you're wrong. Your "complex" view of craft precludes any possibility that doing a critical-dissertation doctorate could improve one's writing. That seems smug to me. But we obviously are going to have to agree to disagree. --S.


Forum Apps


Mar 5, 2010, 1:37 AM

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Seth,

Is the sort of “sense of place” that might be embodied by a well-crafted chair worth so much less than the painting that takes a radical (/contemporary) stance on something? Someone like Lorraine Neidecker had both all the time in this radical way that make both quite important at any moment in her poetry. The craft wasn’t just a smaller part of her work. Just saying/musing. I guess I'm lifting craft up a bit.



I am also sort of thinking of the two programs on PBS (Craft in America / Art: 21) that present craft and art as divided things by putting them on different shows. I like both. (These shows are now available for free online, I might add, which is why I’ve been watching them.)


gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 1:41 AM

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GCSU: Huh? I don't know what you're driving at -- you made pretty clear that you couldn't see any way the non-CW doctoral study of either poetry or fiction could have anything whatsoever to do with writing in either mode. You consistently and gratingly referred to it as "scholarship" and assured all of us that anyone who did a critical dissertation was somehow chained to a life -- no choice in the matter! None! -- of MLA conferences and scholarly articles. I disagreed with you. I'm not smug about thinking you're wrong, I just think you're wrong. Your "complex" view of craft precludes any possibility that doing a critical-dissertation doctorate could improve one's writing. That seems smug to me. But we obviously are going to have to agree to disagree. --S.


Yeah, you're definitely a lawyer. Good grief. I can't believe you're implying that I used "scholarship" in a pejorative manner; what do you suggest I call the academic study of literature? I realize that you're just getting back into the Ivory Tower after spending years in the professional world, but I can assure you that my use of the word "scholarship" would not offend an actual scholar who happened to read this thread, nor would my belief that those pursuing scholarship with actual scholars should be committed to scholarship for the long haul. LOL. What a joke.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Mar 5, 2010, 1:50 AM)


umass76


Mar 5, 2010, 1:48 AM

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Ah, lawyer knocks. Guess it's all over, Baby Blue.

Aaron: This is probably a longer conversation than we can/should have here. Any second now some poster who's never posted on P&W before is going to de-lurk to have a "Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!" moment in which s/he claims I've single-handedly brought down the entire MFA community and ruined the enormous enjoyment they've always gotten from reading these threads in the gossamer light of their bat-cave but never posting on them. Jeez.


gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 1:53 AM

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Ah, lawyer knocks. Guess it's all over, Baby Blue.


Well, it's important to point out, given some of your posts, which seem to come from someone who hasn't spent much time in academia, save for two years in a studio program several years ago. Your offense at my use of "scholarship" is a good sign that you're not that familiar with academia. I can't believe that you think my use of the word "scholarship" was meant to offend. I mean, seriously, dude, I was basically saying that a writer shouldn't waste a scholar's time if he or she is not fully committed to scholarship.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Mar 5, 2010, 1:54 AM)


umass76


Mar 5, 2010, 2:16 AM

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OK.


sicofelephants


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Mar 5, 2010, 4:25 AM

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Aw, sheeeeit, son! The helmets have come off! It's like the '97 Avalanche/Red Wings rivalry except with words! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s&feature=related

(for the record, more of a Blackhawks and Penguins fan)

Ooooh speaking of the Avalanche, anyone know what the deal was with that unsubstantiated claim about Denver notifying this coming week? Looks like that bit o' news on gradcafe got taken down, so I'm not sure how true it was.


(This post was edited by sicofelephants on Mar 5, 2010, 4:28 AM)


Coconut Joe



Mar 5, 2010, 8:44 AM

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OK.


Let's take a break before going at each other. Coconut Joe presents a song of harmony and love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyyiiUPgs


Forum Apps


Mar 5, 2010, 9:45 AM

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I think (--> this <--) is the musical theme of this thread.


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jaywalke


Mar 5, 2010, 10:02 AM

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It's like the '97 Avalanche/Red Wings rivalry except with words! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s&feature=related


Hells yeah! Claude Lemieux is a punk-ass turtle. Most Red Wings fans would still pay good money to see that guy get Fargoed (think chipper-shredder).

BTW, this conversation, while appropriate for the forum, is simple reinforcement of my belief that I will never, ever want or need a Ph.D. I'm just trying to figure out whether Seth or g types faster.


(This post was edited by jaywalke on Mar 5, 2010, 10:06 AM)


gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 11:51 AM

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Aw, sheeeeit, son! The helmets have come off! It's like the '97 Avalanche/Red Wings rivalry except with words! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s&feature=related

(for the record, more of a Blackhawks and Penguins fan)

Ooooh speaking of the Avalanche, anyone know what the deal was with that unsubstantiated claim about Denver notifying this coming week? Looks like that bit o' news on gradcafe got taken down, so I'm not sure how true it was.


For the record, I think Seth offers decent advice for writers applying to graduate creative writing programs. However, some of his points about the job market seem off; for instance, he rarely discusses the job market according to institution type, unlike most academics. Many of the entry level, tenure track jobs for CWer's--again--are not at R1 MFA programs.

Also, he claims that the "growing trend" for poets is 3-5 books, yet after going through the list of recent hires (available on AWP), I found no evidence to back-up this claim; most of the young poets (in academia, "young" is under 40, not someone like Carolyn Wright) had 1-2 books. Big difference between 1-2 and 3-5. A Van Jordan has 3 on his CV, but it appears that his third book was picked up after he was hired.

Maybe I'm missing something though and a bunch of 3-5 book, under 40 poets have been hired recently.

I would advice most of you to visit the Chronicle of Higher Ed forums if you have questions about the academic job market.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Mar 5, 2010, 11:55 AM)


gcsumfa


Mar 5, 2010, 12:04 PM

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*advise


TC3


Mar 5, 2010, 12:09 PM

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sic,

I think certain posts get deleted if they're not indicative of a solid interaction with an actual program. The posts that ask a previous poster for more info always get deleted, it seems, and while the Denver one was more appropriate than that, it still was based on hearsay, so somebody probably thought that it wasn't right for that site. I'd still put some stock in it, though. It makes sense that Denver would be able to notify by next week, if the committee was quick about slogging through the pile.

And George Carlin is the only way to follow Bateman.


Forum Apps


Mar 5, 2010, 12:14 PM

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On a side note (this is the PhD thread) I just got into Wayne State's PhD program. Its a great program (Barrett Watten!) but no funding the first year and I'm already in two MFA programs.

Seth... your funding numbers for Minnesota are off (like you said).

"The stipend is approximately $13,000 (based on last year's rate) and it may increase slightly this year to reflect cost of living." Also, it seems like there are plenty of little monetary 'perks' to be had by MFA students such as state grants, in-program awards and the like. The website says that students can also do a 75% TA (with permission of the program, which I assume probably substantially raises the living stipend above 13k).

Best,
Aaron


(This post was edited by Forum Apps on Mar 5, 2010, 12:16 PM)


kliq


Mar 5, 2010, 12:33 PM

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My writing sample was mostly spoken word stuff...am I in trouble?



/trying to lighten the mood


riptide


Mar 5, 2010, 12:37 PM

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Congrats Aaron, on the Wayne State acceptance and the MFA acceptances! I think you're wise to head for the fully funded route, but it's always nice to have options.

Just a note on the Minnesota funding--are you interpreting the website as saying you can do a second, 75% TA appointment in addition to the TA-ing appointment (or fellowship?) for which you'd be receiving the approximately 13k stipend? That would seem surprising...

But however it works out in the end, it seems like solid funding!


Forum Apps


Mar 5, 2010, 12:44 PM

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No. The base stipend is 13k based on a direct e-mail from the program (that's a 50% appointment, I believe). If one takes on 75%... that's quite a bit more money, I'd suppose. Not that one would necessarily want to take on more (I mean, the MFA is about having time to write and put together a substantial collection of poetry more than anything else) but the option is a possibility.


riptide


Mar 5, 2010, 12:54 PM

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Okay, I understand now. Well, to offer a little unsolicited advice, from my experience, I can see taking the 75% appointment in the first year (assuming it's a two year program) and stepping down to a 50% appointment in the second year to concentrate on the thesis. I tried to knock off as many of the required courses with a heavy load as I could in the first two-three semesters of my MFA program, and open up as much writing time as I could in the last two. Oh, the possible permutations!


abcd

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Mar 5, 2010, 1:41 PM

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Okay, I can't even begin to tell you how momentously excited I am right now. Just got an email that I am on the waitlist for Mizzou! Lord, I had just concluded that I would be rejected everywhere (9 places) and now this! Of course a waitlist is NOT an acceptance, but it sure is something for this little self-doubting creature. Yay Yay Yay!


sicofelephants


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Mar 5, 2010, 1:51 PM

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booyah! Congrats!

A lot of good things can happen with a waitlist :-) I'm pullin' for ya to get in!


riptide


Mar 5, 2010, 1:51 PM

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Hell yeah! Congrats, abcd.


abcd

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Mar 5, 2010, 1:53 PM

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Thanks riptide and sicofelephants! Wishing you both good news soon, too!!


kmccord1


Mar 5, 2010, 2:07 PM

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Congrats!

Has anyone heard anything from Ohio U.?


TC3


Mar 5, 2010, 2:18 PM

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Nothing from Ohio.

Nebraska will notify their acceptances today. One just was posted on gradcafe, within the last quarter hour.


TC3


Mar 5, 2010, 2:23 PM

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Scratch that. 3 acceptances posted for Nebraska today. The emails, it seems, are going out literally right now.

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