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abcd

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Feb 9, 2010, 11:12 AM

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Seth,

Thank you so much for the detailed description of the program! Given your detailed analysis of MFA and PhD programs, I am confidant you made a well-informed decision about where (and why) to accept UWm. If this years round of applications does not yield favorable results, I will definitely look into UWm closely for next year. I'd love to know, if you don't mind sharing, where you applied last year and where/why you declined offers.

On a side note, I have heard very positive things about the creative/critical faculty at the University of Utah, especially for blurred genre interests, documentary poetics, science + literature, and environmental/lit studies. For current PhD's out there--would you mind sharing a few sentences about the departmental critical interests at your school? I realize that is a super broad question, but perhaps you could describe a course or two taught by a certain passionate prof (like David St. John's interdisciplinary music/poetics class at USC, for instance).


abcd

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Feb 9, 2010, 11:18 AM

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Hi frankish,

I have a MFA in Poetry and a BA in English Lit. A bushel of my friends have gone on to PhD programs and all of them received a MFA before pursuing a PhD. Not mandatory, of course, but I definitely would NOT have been ready for a PhD til now. I entered the MFA at 23 y/o--and in my case I was still too immature emotionally to pursue 5 years. The MFA was all about exploration--formally, thematically, personally--and now I am a bit more grounded in my pursuits. :)

All the best,

A


abcd

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Feb 9, 2010, 11:25 AM

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I couldn't agree more, bktv! As far as I can tell, all students in PhD programs with a creative writing emphasis take critical courses alongside lit PhD students. The difference seems to be in the reverse: I don't know of any instances where lit PhD students take creative writing workshops. That was the case at my alma mater (wustl), but I can't say for certain if that was self-selection (lit students didn't want to take workshops with us) or if it was program driven (profs didn't accept lit students into the workshop).

wishing you so much good luck!

A


frankish


Feb 9, 2010, 11:33 AM

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abcd and others,

Thanks! Mostly, I was just curious, as I'm in the process of applying for MFA programs and didn't apply to any PhD programs (largely because I haven't taken the GRE subject test and just didn't have time, as I got a late start in the application process). My undergraduate degree is in English and my MA in English - Creative Writing, so, if I don't fare well in the MFA application process this year, I might look at PhD programs in the next cycle...or after my MFA program, should that work out.

Thanks again!


loaf

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Feb 9, 2010, 1:23 PM

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Hello alló

I spent a lot of time over here last year when I was waiting to hear from PhD programs, and so I thought I'd pop in and wish you all good luck. I know how maddening the wait can be, so maybe a voice from beyond will help.

I got my first acceptance in late February, and then my next in mid March and my last one in late March, really at the last minute, and that was the one that gave me the most funding and where I ended up. So don't lose hope! You never know when another phone call will come.

I also know anecdotally that they are just starting to read apps at my school, fwiw.

I'm happy to answer any questions anyone might have, though pm might work best, since I won't be lurking around here as much as I was last year.

Anyway, good luck to each of you! Maybe I'll see some of you next year.


gcsumfa


Feb 10, 2010, 2:52 AM

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Seth gives many good reasons for Wisconsin-Madison as a program, and I agree that the structure may well allow for students (in the internal creative minor) to be viewed as both writers and scholars, but I don't think it's the only place where that can happen. Certainly, in a CW PhD one might be labeled as a creative writer, but there are opportunities to transcend that label at more integrated programs where lots of lit. classes are required. At Tennessee, for example, creative writers take classes with PhD students in lit. and all graduate students, regardless of specialty, are encouraged to submit their written work for lit. classes to conferences and academic journals.

Conceivably, one could finish a CW PhD with at least two publishable academic articles, and several conference presentations, AND a book-length creative MS as a result of the dissertation. At UW-Madison, you would have a book-length critical piece that could be published in parts or as a whole, and several creative pieces that could be published individually. Since I don't have a book, I guess I'm more drawn to the creative dissertation as a chance to get a draft.


Agreed. Good post. While it's true that Wiscy's program is unique, I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that students in creative writing PhD programs can't find a way to be viewed as "scholars" or that it's even difficult, really. In my program, the literature professors are quite open to working with creative writers; people don't walk around the department with "Creative Writing" or "Literature" tattooed to their foreheads. Academia--esp. the humanities--tends to be a pretty flexible place, and PhD students in particular tend to chart their own paths.

Also, I think it's important to discuss these points in light of the job market. One should only devote 5-6 years of his life developing his scholarly side if he truly hopes to be a scholar beyond the program; I see little longterm gain in hacking away at a critical dissertation if one isn't going to pursue scholarship down the line, esp. when that time could be used writing fiction or poetry. And the truth is that for most CW jobs that advertise for PhD's, departments simply want a CW'er who can teach undergrad surveys; you don't need to write a dissertation on Chaucer or publish articles on Spencer to teach Great American Writers 101; all you need is a passing score on a few qualifying exams and the letters PhD beside your name, because most of the jobs that require a diverse course load are at small colleges or regional universities anyway. Professors in posh MFA programs with 2/2 loads aren't teaching literature courses.

So, outside of the obvious benefit of extended writing time, I view the decision to earn a PhD in two ways:

1) The writer wants to cover all of his bases, because many of the entry level jobs at smaller and/or less prestigious colleges and universities carry higher and more diverse teaching loads.

2) The writer is interested in scholarship as much as writing, and hopes to produce consistent and serious scholarship for the rest of his career, since writing scholarship over the long haul requires a genuine interest and passion for one's topic, or topics--a passion equal to one's passion for writing.

Some might assume that #2 will have a leg up on the market, but #2 will run the risk of spreading himself too thin, while #1 will still have the PhD and, probably, more publications (if he's writing fiction) than #2 (#2 seems to be an option that's better suited for poets, btw, than fiction writers who have to write 150+ page prose books at the same time they're writing a prose dissertation of the same or similar length).


gcsumfa


Feb 10, 2010, 2:57 AM

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Also, at many PhD creative writing programs, students teach lit and composition. Most of my friends who've graduated from such programs have left with diverse CV's. I've been in my program for two years and I've already taught cw and lit (I already have plenty of comp experience), and will have the opportunity to design my own lit course or co-teach a lit course with a lit professor.


gcsumfa


Feb 10, 2010, 3:05 AM

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(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Feb 10, 2010, 3:06 AM)


rneighb


Feb 10, 2010, 3:47 PM

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Is anyone else about to go completely bonkers with the waiting? I was expecting to hear something, anything, from at least one school by this point. In past years certain schools (at least the ones I applied to this year) began notifying applicants as early as the last week of January.


abcd

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Feb 10, 2010, 3:55 PM

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Dude, I know. What the heck? Are the phd acceptees staying quiet this year? Lurking but not posting? Or are programs truly this far behind the schedule from last year? If I were a braver creature I might send an email to said programs but that would be in poor taste. Alas, we wait.


HollinsMFAer
Luke Johnson


Feb 10, 2010, 6:42 PM

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Not to fan the flame, but I know there's been at least one acceptance to the FSU PhD (in poetry). See here:

http://lisafaycoutley.blogspot.com/

Best of luck, all. I didn't apply this year, but have plans for next year. Needless to say, the waiting will surely be the worst part.


http://www.lukejohnsonpoetry.com


bktv


Feb 10, 2010, 6:50 PM

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The silence is a bit ominous. But, many of the classes are so small (2-4) that we might not hear anything (as the FSU poetry acceptance may indicate).

I am suspicious that USC and Madison have also notified, based on posts at thegradcafe.com.

Utah, Milwaukee, and Ohio are a little too quiet for this time of year.

Missouri will notify later this year than last (at least that's what the email from the grad admin implied).

Tennessee and Cincy are usually a bit later.

That's all I have!


rneighb


Feb 10, 2010, 7:09 PM

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HollinsMFAer,

Yeah, I'd just heard that FSU had possibly started notifying their poetry acceptances. From what I've heard, FSU tends to have a larger cohort than most PhD CW programs. Is that right?


Ms. Mystery


Feb 10, 2010, 11:54 PM

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I'm with you bkv, rneighb, and everybody else, about the (seemingly) unusual silence. I'm inclined to think that anything from a potential increase in application numbers to a whopper of a blizzard might be the cause. Or we might not hear anything from PhD admits who aren't involved with the various information trading posts.

Regarding the USC acceptances, I wonder if those might be for lit PhDs rather than CW. It seems like some schools have different admissions processes for different concentrations. That's total conjecture on my part, but hey, conjecture can be sustaining sometimes.

Thanks, loaf, for letting us know that your program is just starting to review applications. That makes it a little easier to deal with the radio silence.

If there are any other current CW PhD candidates hanging around, I'm curious about how much writing time you're able to eke out, and how difficult it is to manage your schedule (particularly in the first year). Lots of my PhD-gettin' friends have mentioned that their first year was a crazy gauntlet, and not just in writing programs, either. Of course, if you have a packed schedule you probably don't have time to answer too many questions, but still, I'd be grateful to hear your take.

Best,
S


Rambler


Feb 11, 2010, 1:04 AM

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Yeah, the silence is deafening. Glad I'm not alone.


prosaic70


Feb 11, 2010, 1:50 AM

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I broke down and asked Texas Tech and FSU; Texas Tech they would send letters next week (snail mail), and FSU said first week March or later (email). When I spoke to Ohio last week they were still sorting out apps.


jennymck


Feb 11, 2010, 9:09 AM

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jennymck


Feb 11, 2010, 9:10 AM

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I am going COMPLETELY CRAZY with the waiting. I wish I could just know already! I'm glad that know that I'm not alone. Thanks for the info about Texas Tech!

Jenny


abcd

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Feb 11, 2010, 12:44 PM

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@prosaic--thank you for the info! I think historically TTU calls acceptees, so my guess is a letter means waitlist or reject. But I hope I am incorrect about that!

@loaf--thank you so much for the well wishes! It does feel good to hear from a voice of years past. :) If I remember correctly from last years posts, you are at one of my top choice schools. I am surprised (and excited) they have not made acceptance calls yet.

@HollensMFAer--Thank you for posting the FSU news!

Waiting is not doing much for my writing/reading routine, but perhaps it is better than all bad news. During this time I'd live to beef up my cultural crit knowledge and read a few books I've been eyeing longingly on my bookshelf for awhile. Just finished Nick Flynn's "Some Ether" last night and returning to dearests Louise Bogan and and Laura Jensen today. What have y'all been reading that you'd recommend?


kliq


Feb 11, 2010, 4:45 PM

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Just learned that after I was told a LOR was sent, it was never received. Strike one school from my list. Time to hit the bottle.


abcd

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Feb 11, 2010, 4:51 PM

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Oh no kliq! That sucks. Are you sure your application won't be reviewed? I've heard of schools considering students without having all 3 recs. It seems like two recs would be a good enough indicator of your awesomeness.

I'm hoping and wishing good news comes to you soon!


kliq


Feb 11, 2010, 4:53 PM

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I've been told that my application won't be reviewed but they'll hold everything for Fall 2011.


rneighb


Feb 11, 2010, 7:42 PM

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Apparently, FSU has begun notifying other genres, too. An acceptance in CNF/fiction was posted on TSE today.


gcsumfa


Feb 11, 2010, 10:53 PM

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If there are any other current CW PhD candidates hanging around, I'm curious about how much writing time you're able to eke out, and how difficult it is to manage your schedule (particularly in the first year). Lots of my PhD-gettin' friends have mentioned that their first year was a crazy gauntlet, and not just in writing programs, either. Of course, if you have a packed schedule you probably don't have time to answer too many questions, but still, I'd be grateful to hear your take.

Best,
S


One of the benefits of a PhD Lit/CW program is the opportunity to take workshops; so, if you need to complete 12 workshop hours as part of your coursework, you're guaranteed 8-12 deadlines over a two year period; that's 8-12 new drafts (I guess even more if you're a poet). I make a point to always write something new just for workshop, so that I use the deadlines as opportunities to create new material.

I think the third year--the year most students take comps--is probably the busiest.


rneighb


Feb 12, 2010, 5:53 PM

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Just received an email from FSU, letting us know that acceptances/rejections would be posted to application status the first week of March. It made it sound like all of the decisions hadn't been made yet (which would be surprising, since apparently several people have been notified by phone already).

It sure made me think I had been rejected, though. It started out with a few "quality of applicants" sentences. I think it was mainly a plea for applicants to stop calling the department. :)

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