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gcsumfa


Mar 11, 2008, 1:41 PM

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First, Gcsumfa, I'm really sorry to hear about Ohio U. I know from your posts that was one you were really gunning for.

I'm blanking out about the Ph.d. coverage in the Atlantic article. Did they actually list/rank them or just mention that they exist?

I think what we might be seeing, finally, is the disparity between the number of M.F.A. programs and creative writing Ph.d. programs come to light. How many M.F.A. programs are out there right now? 300? How many creative Ph.d. programs? Maybe 26? AND, as has been pointed out in this thread, a large Ph.d. program might have six people per genre. Compare that to a large M.F.A. program like Iowa or Columbia. Add to this factors such as more jobs requiring (or strongly preferring) a Ph.d., a job market where only a handful of C.W. positions are advertised per year, and it may now be harder to get into any creative writing Ph.d. than any top 10 M.F.A. program.

I think for those who apply next year (and I'm likely going to be one of them) it will be necessary to apply both to more schools and also more types of schools--rhetoric/composition programs, traditional lit programs, educational doctorates, media studies, etc. While there are less than 30 C.W. Ph.D's, there are--as they say in technical terms--a crap load of other Ph.D's that we would be eligible for. What was your M.F.A. GPA? I bet it was either a 4.0 or damn close to it. Most lit Ph.D's only require a 3.5. The overall course work could be made very similar with the exception of trading out 3-4 workshops and the creative dissertation for a critical one. If traditional Ph.D's were targeted that were attached to M.F.A. programs (Oregon, Washington, Florida to name a few) then there is a guaranteed writing community and I strongly suspect a Ph.D. candidate with M.F.A. in hand could talk his or her way into a few writing workshops.

I'm just thinking out loud here. What it seems to me, though, is that there are some pretty damn qualified applicants not getting into programs due to a lack of space. To help make up for this I suspect that application nets are going to need to be cast both wider and deeper in the future.



Good points, Hamlet. I have critical interests that I could pursue at the doctoral level. Here's my concern with that, however: no matter what, my primary interest will always be fiction writing. Having to write a doctoral dissertation on my secondary interest would take time away from my fiction writing. In a way, I might be better off not entering such a program--seems like I'd get more fiction writing done than if I attended such pure lit crit program.

Who knows.

However, Iíll still probably take your advice next year and apply to lit programs in addition to CW programs.


ReinaGirl


Mar 11, 2008, 7:35 PM

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Hey! Has anyone heard anything from Georgia State University?


cantonioni


Mar 12, 2008, 12:37 AM

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In at Nebraska (fiction). No word yet about funding.

I panicked after shoe1234's post yesterday. Called as soon as I woke this morning (but before I was truly awake so that I couldn't talk myself out of it).

Note about Nebraska: Total postal mail affair. They were mailing out notifications today. If you haven't received an email or phone call, that doesn't mean anything. Hang in there.

Because I was not awake and because I was completely stunned, I neglected to ask how many open spots there were. I'm really, really sorry about that.


(This post was edited by cantonioni on Mar 12, 2008, 1:57 AM)


gcsumfa


Mar 12, 2008, 12:44 AM

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In at Nebraska (fiction). No word yet about funding.

I panicked after shoe1234's post yesterday. Called as soon as I woke this morning (but before I was truly awake so that I couldn't talk myself out of it).

Note about Nebraska: Total postal mail affair. They were mailing out notifications today. If you haven't received an email or phone call, that doesn't anything. Hang in there.

Because I was not awake and because I was completely stunned, I neglected to ask how many open spots there were. I'm really, really sorry about that.


I emailed just to see if I had been accepted--no response. Eh, I guess I'll just wait for the letter. Maybe they've stopped responding to emails since mailing notifications.


cantonioni


Mar 12, 2008, 1:27 AM

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hey gcsumfa-
I think that's totally possible. I called first this morning, and things sounded hectic. I'm sure they were totally inundated with emails.
I'm rooting for you.
I'm rooting for you so much, I'm PM'ing you.


bktv


Mar 12, 2008, 1:56 AM

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Also emailed with no response. I'm guessing that's not a good sign though. Congrats cantonioni! And also, regarding Georgia State, there was one reported acceptance, but that's it as far as I know. Their deadline was so late that I'd be surprised if they finished notifying before the end of this week.


cantonioni


Mar 12, 2008, 2:07 AM

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Thank you, bktv!
Like gcsumfa said - I think it's possible that the department just stopped sending out emails once the letters were in the mail. I have a feeling she was totally overwhelmed with emails this morning.
Wishing you good news!


chitown


Mar 12, 2008, 5:43 PM

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Spoke to the graduate coordinator at U of Cincinnati today (again). She said that first round acceptance letters went out via post Tuesday. Candidates who receive first round acceptances will also receive emails sometime this week. Second round acceptances go out in 1-2 weeks. I know that someone here said a few PhD people have been notified already, but Iím wondering if perhaps they were fellowship winners. Anyway, just wanted to pass along the info.

Also I spoke to the secretary at Tennessee, who said it was unlikely Iíll be getting in off the waitlist as no one has declined an offer. Ah well.


LesK
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Mar 12, 2008, 6:37 PM

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chitown,

Thanks for the info about Cincy! I'll check my mailbox tomorrow and either pass out or....hmm...let's not go there.

Also, sorry to hear about your news from Tennessee. At the very least, coming that close is quite a compliment.

I got my fingers crossed that good news is just around the corner for you!


chitown


Mar 13, 2008, 9:31 AM

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Thanks LesK, good luck to you. And there's always next year...


persephassa
roxanne carter

Mar 13, 2008, 3:39 PM

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hi

i got an acceptance (email) from denver today. it's the only school i applied to, so hooray! anyone else?


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shoe1234


Mar 13, 2008, 5:02 PM

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Persephassa,

Seriously, congrats on the acceptance to Denver. That's wonderful. What's your genre?


persephassa
roxanne carter

Mar 13, 2008, 6:14 PM

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prose, evidently. i'm very excited.


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gcsumfa


Mar 13, 2008, 10:16 PM

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Did anyone else apply to Western Michigan?


LesK
Les
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Mar 14, 2008, 6:23 PM

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I don't know if anyone else applied to Wisconsin-Milwaukee, but I got this cryptic email today:

"letters are being sent out today"

So, very soon, my waiting for this year will be over.


bktv


Mar 15, 2008, 3:55 PM

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Nebraskaórejected by mail, 3/15.

I'm starting to think I may need a lit. degree. For the accepted: does everyone have either a BA or MA (or both) in lit.?

(Still waiting on Missouri/Georgia/Georgia State.) Haven't Georgia and Missouri already sent out rejections?


LesK
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Mar 15, 2008, 4:21 PM

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Hey bktv,


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Nebraskaórejected by mail, 3/15.

I'm starting to think I may need a lit. degree. For the accepted: does everyone have either a BA or MA (or both) in lit.?

(Still waiting on Missouri/Georgia/Georgia State.) Haven't Georgia and Missouri already sent out rejections?

Sorry to hear about the rejection from Nebraska. Yes, Missouri rejections have already gone out; I have one sitting on the sofa table. The fact you don't have one makes me think you've fared better than I did. Perhaps on an internal waitlist? May as well email the program if you haven't done so already.

About MA's, I don't think it's necessary to have one, but it would certainly strengthen your application, and clearly, admission to these Ph.D. programs is insanely competitive. Plus, there's clearly much more emphasis placed on scholarship than you'd find at an MFA. An MA should, one would hope, at least make that portion of your application that much stronger. But it's certainly no guarantee.

At the moment, I'm planning to explore the MA route if my two remaining schools feel compelled to offer bad news.

Regardless, good luck! I hope one of your three remaining offers you the best fellowship they have.


cantonioni


Mar 15, 2008, 4:28 PM

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Hi bktv-
I don't have a lit degree - just an MFA and a BFA with a minor in American Lit (the Univ. of Neb. at Omaha offers a fine arts bachelor's in fiction or poetry).

I think the reason I was accepted was that my fiction and critical interests revolve around Nebraska and, to some extent, Great Plains lit [which means that my whole application was geared toward UNL specifically - I really kind of need access to their Great Plains Studies department in order to continue my creative and critical nonfiction work (i.e., maybe they let me in as an act of mercy)].

The institution-specific application approach was probably what did it in my case. I mean, I'm a pretty strong critical writer, I think (I hope - I've taught several quarters of expository writing), but what I sent as a critical writing sample was really pretty rough. It did demonstrate that I had a vested interest in UNL's resources, though. The thing that's tough, of course, is making your applications totally institution-specific when you're applying to a number of programs. I didn't apply to any other programs, so I had more time to dedicate to just the one.

But anyway, long story short, I think that if you can make a good argument for why you need a specific university's resources, maybe demonstrate that your scholarly interests would be best served by that university, that might help the admissions committee in the narrowing down process, maybe... ?

I'm still nervous that someone's going to email me from UNL to say, "Due to a clerical error, you were recently misinformed of your being accepted to our program."


shoe1234


Mar 15, 2008, 4:33 PM

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bk,

It's probably a good sign you haven't heard from Georgia. You're still in the race. My rejection arrived a couple weeks ago.


cantonioni


Mar 15, 2008, 5:11 PM

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Also - my fingers are crossed for you. I hope you hear great news from Georgia and Missouri! Sorry I didn't say this in that three-page post I submitted a bit ago. Waking up slowly today...


hamlet3145


Mar 15, 2008, 7:28 PM

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For those of you admitted to Nebraska, did you get a TA offered? A Montana student got in today albeit (for the moment) without funding.

Random Nebraska fun fact: there are three folks in the creative PhD program with Montana M.F.A.s. We seem to be a feeder school or something. Weird.


(This post was edited by Hamlet3145 on Mar 15, 2008, 7:35 PM)


cantonioni


Mar 15, 2008, 8:02 PM

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For those of you admitted to Nebraska, did you get a TA offered? A Montana student got in today albeit (for the moment) without funding.

Random Nebraska fun fact: there are three folks in the creative PhD program with Montana M.F.A.s. We seem to be a feeder school or something. Weird.


Hiya Hamlet-
I'm still waiting on the letter (mail here is terrible), but I'm pretty sure the acceptance letters won't mention funding. When I spoke with the department secretary on Tuesday, she said that TA's, RA's, and fellowships were still being sorted. I do get the impression that UNL is good about funding people, though. Seems like there are tons of opportunities, even outside of teaching.

That's great about the Montana-Nebraska connection. One of my favorite professors at the university in Omaha was a Montana alum, too - Art Homer - he's a poet and nonfiction writer who worked closely with William Kittredge while he was there.

Maybe it all boils down to a ranching kinship... :)


shoe1234


Mar 15, 2008, 10:08 PM

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Admitted to Nebraska--no funding yet. Let's pray the coffers are overflowing!


shoe1234


Mar 16, 2008, 1:21 AM

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For those accepted to Nebraska, where did you go to graduate school and where do you live now?

I got my Masters from Brigham Young University in 2006 (fictions), living in Phoenix presently, and teaching English at a charter high school. I'm ready for a change, and a flat grassland and a freezing winter don't sound bad.


cantonioni


Mar 16, 2008, 2:08 PM

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Hi shoe-
Yeah, the winters - and summers - are BRUTAL in Nebraska. But personally, I think that suffering through winters makes the heat a religious experience (though I'm definitely in the minority there). Also, if you ever want to get away from the flatness of Lincoln, it's easy to do. Nebraska's home to the largest "sand sea" in the western hemisphere (the sandhills), and the clay and sandstone stretches in the panhandle are amazing. And then the rolling grasslands when you go up Highway 75... I should stop. I'm very excited, very homesick.

I'm a Nebraska native, earned a BFA in fiction with a minor in American lit from the state university in Omaha (though I took a break for about three years in the midst of it to work in Oakland, California). I'm finishing my MFA right now (also in fiction) at the University of Washington in Seattle, doing a TA-ship.

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