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stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Mar 5, 2008, 4:19 PM

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I guess that's what happens when Atlantic Monthly ranks you as 31 CRW PhD program and somewhere really damn high up with the 'top' MFA programs?

A friend of mine, who completed her bachelor's in that same CRW program, claims that it was awesome when it was not-as-publicized but in the last few years the place has just gotten too big for the size of its own head, so to speak.

I wonder if I will get in or not. I mean, ultimately, I know exactly where I am going. But still--I want to know.

Josray, are you headed to MO next week?


pedro


Mar 5, 2008, 4:32 PM

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Yeah, that makes sense about FSU--it would be interesting to know how much, percentage-wise, applications have shot up at all those lucky schools picked by The Atlantic--? I know what you mean about wanting to see results, Stephanie, even if you're already settled on a school--the application process is such an investment of $, time, sweat, worry, heartache, etc., that you still kind of want to see some sort of return on your investments, positive or negative. Good luck with that!

And yes, I'll be in Columbia during the 13th-15th, right after visiting SLC. I even have a green shirt picked out. I think I'm excited--hard to tell. How are you feeling about the visit?


stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Mar 5, 2008, 4:45 PM

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I'm psyched to visit Columbia. It's strange, because I cycle through different emotions. I'm psyched as all hell, and I am nervous as all hell, and it will be weird to be in this very, very "planned" day with all of these people I don't k now, etc. The flip side of that is that I have hooked up with someone admitted for creative nonfiction and we are splitting a rental car and a hotel room. That's sort of nice to know. I've also been e-mailing a bit with that student who sent out the Welcome day information, and the poets who will be my teachers already know that I will want to sit down and just spend some time talking to them about the next 5 years of my life. I mean, well, for as excited as I am and for as certain as I am, I have some concerns and some really big question marks (most of which are really logistical in nature and I only wonder about because of all that I learned on living on 9K/year during my MFA program).

I think that's sort of a lot, you know? It's really about as coordinated as I get, when it comes to my own life. There are too many details (and details for stupid details' sake) in my shitty-ass job. And then there is the focus on details in my poems, but that somehow seems different. I don't mind those kinds of details. But when it comes to a short amount of time--just 2 days--it's a lot that I already have figured out. I don't think I can handle much more right now. :) Especially for a place that, on a map, occurs to me as the belly button of the Unied States and for a university that has a limited online tour of the campus.

And as for green shirts--I was never someone to necessarily follow a trend. I have a vaguely green-ish polo and a black v-neck. If i have the wherewithall when I pack, I might have to pack it! Otherwise, it will be short little me, the usual black shirt or sweater of some sort, jeans, and my trusty, sturdy old fluevogs and a messenger bag of some sort...

Good luck with your SLC visit. That would overwhelm me, if I had to make a decision, to visit both places back-to-back like that. Wow. I hope that, regardless of your ultimate decision, you get a really good sense on this trip of where you want and need to be!!!


pedro


Mar 5, 2008, 5:09 PM

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I know what you mean about the emotional cycling. These days, I feel like, emotionally, I'm about twelve different people. Although I'm excited, I'm also super nervous for the visit--I almost feel embarrassed, strangely enough, although I'm not sure why. That's smart to link up with another student to split the costs. I'm staying with a (very nice) grad student, so I guess I'll get the real insider's perspective on daily/nightly life in the MO, but I definitely see the appeal of a hotel room. I bet it will also be nice for you to have someone to debrief with--and honestly--right before/after the event.

Yeah, it's going to be really overwhelming to visit two places, but it also feels necessary--otherwise, everything is way too much of an abstraction for me to think about. Oh well. Gotta do what I gotta do.

Thanks for the well wishes, and right back at you. I'll see you soon! I'll be on the lookout for fluevogs and messenger bags.


(This post was edited by josray on Mar 5, 2008, 5:12 PM)


piratelizzy


Mar 5, 2008, 7:10 PM

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A friend of mine, who completed her bachelor's in that same CRW program, claims that it was awesome when it was not-as-publicized


I don't know what it was like before, but I am in my first year at FSU now, and I could not be happier with my fiction workshops so far. Both have pushed me equally to work on my writing, in different ways. I feel more productive than I ever believed I could be, and the more time I spend here, the more I come to admire how hard working and talented my peers in the fiction program are.

Sometimes the program does feel large, but that is what it is, and it has its pluses, too.

By the way, congratulations, stephkarto, on your Missouri acceptance. I've been following your posts for a while, and I know how hard you worked on your applications. Good going.

If anyone has questions about Tallahassee or the FSU program, please feel free to PM me.

Best of luck, everyone.


'sup?!


stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Mar 5, 2008, 8:14 PM

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Piratelizzy--

Thanks!

I'm glad you're enjoying FSU so far. I know people from my MFA program (mostly fiction folk) who are there and who are getting a lot out of it. My friend who went there for undergrad knows me and knows how I do well in programs and writing circles--I'm sure she was thinking of that when she mentioned to me that I might not love FSU if I were to go there now. Or maybe she was saying that after one of the (many!) times I mentioned the odds of getting in anywhere, the unpredictibility and fickleness of the admissions process, my shitty GRE scores, etc. Who knows. :)

If I may ask--how is it going with living on the stipend that FSU gives? I know Tallahassee is more expensive than it was when I left Florida 5 years ago, and I am curious how finances are working out with that program...

:)
Steph.


piratelizzy


Mar 5, 2008, 9:52 PM

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It's a tight squeeze on the stipend, but of course they take care of all your tuition. Most people have roommates and get along fine. I am a bit older and set in my ways, and I knew I didn't want roommates again, so I have a 1 BR for $745 that includes internet and cable. But, again, most people are paying about half of that, thanks to roommates. To afford my "lux" lifestyle, I take on some freelance writing work each semester. So far, so good. Tallahassee's not exactly a cheap date, but it's still more affordable than the NE, where I was living before coming here. One thing that's more expensive here is electricity. And it's hot and muggy in summer, so the AC bill does take a bite out of you. But basically it's livable.


'sup?!


LesK
Les
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Mar 6, 2008, 6:07 PM

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Well, I emailed Missouri to confirm the suspected and I should be receiving my official notification of better luck elsewhere soon.

2 down 3 to go. Next year, next year, next year.


shoe1234


Mar 6, 2008, 6:12 PM

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Rejected by FSU (fiction) today via post.


LesK
Les
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Mar 6, 2008, 6:22 PM

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shoe1234:

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Rejected by FSU (fiction) today via post.


Sorry to hear that....sorry if this is redundant, but did you get in anywhere yet? And how many are left to hear from?

Regardless, good luck!


spamela


Mar 6, 2008, 6:35 PM

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I was also rejected by FSU
But then accepted by USC
And that ends my own personal waiting game. Fin.


chitown


Mar 6, 2008, 6:40 PM

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I was rejected by FSU also. I received two letters, which added a nice sense of formality to the occasion. I guess the process is similar to their MFA, where if you haven't received a rejection yet then you've made the first cut. Good luck to those of you still waiting; I'll be rooting for you (honest).

Binghamton is the only school I haven't heard from. Haven't formally been rejected by Cincinnati but it sounds like acceptances already went out. Also waiting on a few ridiculously selective MFA programs.


shoe1234


Mar 6, 2008, 7:05 PM

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I got into University of North Texas, not the most renowned program, but if that's the one, at least I'll have a place to lay my head after this whole crazy process. Still waiting for:

Denver
Utah
USC
Nebraska
Houston
Las Vegas


LesK
Les
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Mar 6, 2008, 7:17 PM

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I got into University of North Texas, not the most renowned program, but if that's the one, at least I'll have a place to lay my head after this whole crazy process. Still waiting for:

Denver
Utah
USC
Nebraska
Houston
Las Vegas


Well, congratulations on UNT! I'm sure my rejections wouldn't sting so much if I had a "yes" in my back pocket. Besides, at this level, in this field....the prestige of the program isn't anywhere near as important as what you manage to do while there.

Good luck on the other schools, though!


shoe1234


Mar 6, 2008, 7:38 PM

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Lesk,

Amen.

To all:

Have you ever heard of anyone getting accepted, say, middle or late April, even after having gotten a rejection letter? Is there such thing as a waiting list for the creative writing PhD program. As of yet, I haven't heard of anyone being wait-listed.


LesK
Les
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Mar 6, 2008, 7:43 PM

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Is there such thing as a waiting list for the creative writing PhD program. As of yet, I haven't heard of anyone being wait-listed.


Well, gcsumfa, from this board, was waitlisted to Ohio University last year, but they only had two slots and both of the first offers were taken.

So yes. They do exist. But, unless I'm mistaken, I think most programs will tell you. If you have a rejection in your hand, on the website, in your email, wherever....'tis over.


stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Mar 6, 2008, 8:12 PM

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I just got home and got my FSU rejection letter as well.

Oh well. What I liked about the program wasn't so much the program--it was more the idea of living near one of my best friends (she is in Tallahassee) and being within a few hours' drive of a few other friends. But the poets on the FSU faculty, while certainly very good, really aren't the best people to steer me in the directions my writing and interests are headed.

But still--somehow the letter, that little sentence near the end that stated that while some parts of my application were strong the rest were not strong enough--well, it sort of nipped a little.

But only for about 2 seconds. :) I already got my prize.

Fingers crossed for all those who have yet to hear a positive response.

I have 2 schools yet to officially hear from (Utah and Houston), though I know Utah is a rejection. Houston likely is as well, but whatever. Ain't no thang for me. And I realize how f**king lucky I am to be able to say that.


hamlet3145


Mar 6, 2008, 10:16 PM

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Just out of curiosity, did anyone apply to the University of South Dakota? I think it is so far under the radar as to be actually underground. =)


(This post was edited by Hamlet3145 on Mar 6, 2008, 10:46 PM)


shoe1234


Mar 6, 2008, 11:18 PM

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I thought about for a few minutes. And then I thought about the winters. That said, it looks like a decent program.


medusashair


Mar 7, 2008, 8:21 AM

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I posted this in the wrong forum originally, but,

I'm sorry if this is the wrong venue, but is it a PhD or a MFA that Tony Hoagland teaches in? I'd really like to learn from him and I'm looking towards a CRW PhD next semester.

TOTAL props to everybody getting in places, and for sure PM me if you have Q's about Wash U or UVa.


stephkarto1
Stephanie Kartalopoulos

Mar 7, 2008, 10:30 AM

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The best remedy to the slight "bummer"ness of last night's FSU reject letter is not the assurance that I have an acceptance, but it's the message that was waiting for me on my work voicemail this morning. I have 3 colleagues who know about my PhD stuff and who have been cheering me on. One of them fairly recently asked if I would mind sharing my poems with her, and I did. At least--I shared the file of poems that I sent to Missouri (and many of which fill my other application manuscripts). I never really expect people to like my poems or to get them or to find anything worthwhile in them (part of it is my own bundle of insecurities, and part of it is a strange survival mechanism I have after so many rejections from lit mags and the like). But my colleague left me the nicest voicemail talking about my poems, about images that she really liked (and she really got into talking about one image in one of my pieces), about how amazing she found them to be and how gorgeous she found the imagery, how she heard me and my voice throughout all of them even for as different as many of them are from each other. She asked if we could talk sometime soon about them--she wants to learn from me about my writing process, about the difference between what different images mean for me, the writer, and what they mean for her, the reader. From the tone in her voice, she was legitimately interested in my poems more than she wanted to applaud the poems because they were written by me, Stephanie, her friend and coworker.

A woman who is a PhD in neuroscience and psychology, who admittedly shys away from poetry because she says it is often hard to understand and sort of "scary," totally got into reading my poems and got something out of my poems. That is something that a PhD acceptance will never give me. It's something that only comes from writing and revising, writing and revising, writing and revising.

What a great reminder in the middle of this strange season of acceptances and rejections. What a great mirror to call me into the action of re-grounding myself from thinking about why I write, what it is that I do with words, what it is that I am seeking to accomplish, and what it is that I have already accomplished. Even with just my little poems.

I hope that everyone has a good day!!!


barstool


Mar 7, 2008, 12:05 PM

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About Tony Hoagland: Yes, the University of Houston. He teaches in the Spring in the MFA and PhD programs.


spamela


Mar 7, 2008, 12:32 PM

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So, I feel like I know a lot about the Utah program--I visited, I have friends there, I feel like I know what's up. But I didn't really think I'd get into USC when I applied. As a result, I know almost nothing about it. Anybody (bktv?) I could talk to about USC? Specifically, I'd like to know about the teaching load, the course load, how the funding works (it sounded strange and complicated on the phone last night) and what people think of the fact that it's a five year program instead of a four year program. And that a short (50 pp) critical thesis is required.

I'm pretty familiar with LA, so I'm okay in that area. But about the program specifically, I am lost. I intend to speak with students and take a trip out there if I can, but if anyone has any info in the meantime, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks in advance.


Amethyst


Mar 7, 2008, 1:16 PM

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Yes, people do get wait-listed for CW PhD programs. I've been wait-listed at TTU. I had a nice letter from the director of the program, and we've also exchanged some emails about it. He said they are 'cautiously optimistic" about being able to admit me in a few weeks, but it depends on internal, departmental funding issues.

I, too, have a rejection from FSU. I am not that bummed about it, though, because I was never really that excited about going there. I hope that doesn't sound like sour grapes--even when I was putting the application together, I sorta wondered why I was even bothering with FSU. I currently live in Florida and I am dying to move somewhere else.

Honestly, right now I am thinking of deferring my applications till next year, for various reasons. TTU said they would be happy to do that for me without charging me another application fee, and I could replace parts of my application portfolio if I so desire. I was pumping out the applications at the same time I was beginning work on my MFA final semester thesis. Truth be told, I think the applications suffered as a result. My grades and GREs are both good, and I feel reasonably confident about my critical sample. However, I really wish now that I had spent more time on writing my SOP and selecting my creative sample. I got a little overconfident, I think, because I've always been a good student. Now that I've had some time to reflect, I think I made some less-than-ideal choices. So, I am really not surprised to be wait-listed.

I am still waiting to hear from several other schools. I am really, really torn about whether I should sweat them all out, or call them to see if they will defer my applications till '09. It is difficult. Maybe I'll squeak in somewhere; but then, if I wait, I can probably make a much stronger case for my admission with a revamped application, and then I'd probably get better funding.


shoe1234


Mar 7, 2008, 1:23 PM

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Amethyst,

You have options and time--two good things. Where else did you apply, if I may ask?

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