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Clench Million
Charles

Aug 5, 2008, 8:19 PM

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Re: [Raysen] Too "rich" for funding? [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't imagine you wouldn't still get funding. Most funding at MFA programs is about merit, not need.


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Raysen


Aug 5, 2008, 8:24 PM

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I can't imagine you wouldn't still get funding.



That's interesting. I sort of assumed the opposite would be the case. If the program somehow got hold of your financial info (and I wouldn't know one way or the other how because I haven't gone through the MFA application process yet), they may ask if you could afford school without the funding so that they can make room for one more student.

That also raises another question and that is, would a program offer more than their allocated seats if the excess applicants are rich and can pay their own way? For example, Cornell normally takes in four fiction writers. If they knew a promising applicant could afford their schooling, would they offer five, with one of them not getting any funding? I mean, it won't hurt Cornell's pocket or endowment at all.


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Yugao


Aug 5, 2008, 8:26 PM

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I have a question no one has asked (for good reason). Let's say you can afford the tuition, fees, books, and cost of living to do an MFA program. Let's say you only applied to schools that offered full funding to all their students (e.g., Virginia, Texas, Cornell, Indiana) and let's say you got accepted at one of these schools.

How will these schools handle your situation? Will they NOT offer you full funding?

This is just a hypothetical, but a hypothetical I'm curious about for personal reasons I won't go into.


I was admitted at UF, The Michener Center, and was on the waitlist at Virginia before I removed myself. Obviously, these are all full funding situations, but my financial status was not an issue. I am not rich, but I do have (non-liquid) assets that would be sufficient to pay for an MFA degree. That fact didn't matter because these are all merit-based fellowship programs. Fellowships aren't allotted according to financial need.


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Clench Million
Charles

Aug 5, 2008, 8:35 PM

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Raysen:

You have to think that funding works a few ways. Most funding is really a job. You are paid to be a teacher or a teaching assistant. I suppose in that case you might be able to turn down the job if there are only a few spots, but no one is going to teach for free. A lot of other funding is endowments earmarked for funding students based on merit... can't really be used another way. Plus, funding is about luring people to your program over another.

if you got into two programs you really wanted to go to and one gave you funding while the other didn't, even if you are rich you will go to the funded place (if the programs are equal in your mind at least).


Yugao


Aug 5, 2008, 8:47 PM

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I should have said that some are merit-based fellowship programs and that others do require teaching and are funded that way in combination with fellowships. But most MFA funding isn't really need-based.


gcsumfa


Aug 5, 2008, 8:58 PM

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I can't imagine you wouldn't still get funding.



That's interesting. I sort of assumed the opposite would be the case. If the program somehow got hold of your financial info (and I wouldn't know one way or the other how because I haven't gone through the MFA application process yet), they may ask if you could afford school without the funding so that they can make room for one more student.

That also raises another question and that is, would a program offer more than their allocated seats if the excess applicants are rich and can pay their own way? For example, Cornell normally takes in four fiction writers. If they knew a promising applicant could afford their schooling, would they offer five, with one of them not getting any funding? I mean, it won't hurt Cornell's pocket or endowment at all.


As others have said, you should think of most MFA funding as a job; it's not really need-based, so your income level is irrelevant, because in order for you to receive the funding, you will have to work as a TA, editor, or in the writing center. You'll sign a contract to receive this funding in return for working 20 hours per week.


gcsumfa


Aug 5, 2008, 9:34 PM

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For example, Cornell normally takes in four fiction writers. If they knew a promising applicant could afford their schooling, would they offer five, with one of them not getting any funding? I mean, it won't hurt Cornell's pocket or endowment at all.


For a program like Cornell, I don't think this strategy would improve your chances of admission. A program like Cornell receives so many applications and can have the pick of the litter that they're not going to have time to figure out if they can admit an extra person w/ out funding. Also, keep in mind that many of these programs still need to fill TA lines---someone has to teach freshman composition. They will want to fill those lines before doing anything else.

Your strategy might work at a smaller, lesser known program, but even then, the program would still likely want to fill its TA lines first.

Pedagogy and editorial work is a big part of the MFA experience at most residential programs; if you have the money and aren't interested in this aspect of the residential MFA experience, you might be a better fit at a low-res program.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Aug 5, 2008, 9:35 PM)


Clench Million
Charles

Aug 5, 2008, 9:44 PM

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Pedagogy and editorial work is a big part of the MFA experience at most residential programs; if you have the money and aren't interested in this aspect of the residential MFA experience, you might be a better fit at a low-res program


I dunno about that. There are plenty of programs that do not require TAingh freshman comp or doing editorial work. Especially with the scenario laid out here (someone with enough money they don't mind paying). No program that asks you to pay tuition forces you to be a TA. And even beyond that there are a few programs that fully fund with real fellowships, no job attached.


ejdifili
Emily

Aug 5, 2008, 10:08 PM

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I have a question no one has asked (for good reason). Let's say you can afford the tuition, fees, books, and cost of living to do an MFA program. Let's say you only applied to schools that offered full funding to all their students (e.g., Virginia, Texas, Cornell, Indiana) and let's say you got accepted at one of these schools.

How will these schools handle your situation? Will they NOT offer you full funding?

This is just a hypothetical, but a hypothetical I'm curious about for personal reasons I won't go into.



My impression is that most universities who offer funding to MFA candidates do so on the basis of merit, not need. There could be exceptions, but personally, I was never asked to give proof of my income or assets.


gcsumfa


Aug 5, 2008, 10:11 PM

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Pedagogy and editorial work is a big part of the MFA experience at most residential programs; if you have the money and aren't interested in this aspect of the residential MFA experience, you might be a better fit at a low-res program


I dunno about that. There are plenty of programs that do not require TAingh freshman comp or doing editorial work. Especially with the scenario laid out here (someone with enough money they don't mind paying). No program that asks you to pay tuition forces you to be a TA. And even beyond that there are a few programs that fully fund with real fellowships, no job attached.


I didn't intend to imply that programs "force one to TA," more than that many programs have TA lines to fill. However, perhaps I overstated my point; either way, it seems like the OP was interested in how this might increase his or her chances of being admitted to a prestigious program more than anything else--I don't think it will.


Clench Million
Charles

Aug 5, 2008, 10:13 PM

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I agree with your last point.

I thought your earlier post might have been read to imply that TAing is a requirement at almost every school. I just wanted to point out that this isn't the case. You don't have to do low-res if you are uninterested in teaching.


RaoulDuke
Cobra Cobachi

Aug 6, 2008, 12:06 AM

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It's been my personal experience that too much money is never a bad thing, unless you're addicted to some crazy drugs and have no control over your addictive impulses.

Funding typically comes with teaching experience, which is invaluable. If you're rich, and you get funding, I guess just live lavishly and laugh at the rest of us who suck at being rich.

rick


steelcity


Aug 15, 2008, 4:02 PM

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Hi all,

I'm applying for Fall 2009 in poetry. I've made funding a top priority when selecting which schools I'm applying to, but there are a couple schools on my list that don't offer funding to everybody. Hence, I'm looking outside as well for financial aid sources. I know about the Javits fellowship, but I can't find any other substantial fellowships (i.e. would be equiv. or close to a funding package from a university, like Javits) open to grad students in creative writing. Anyone aware of others out there? Perhaps there are none, but if anyone has ideas, that would be great!


hidro


Aug 17, 2008, 1:22 PM

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steelcity,

that's a great question. i don't have an answer, but i've often wondered the same thing myself.


(This post was edited by hidro on Aug 17, 2008, 1:26 PM)


IrisAnn

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Jun 6, 2009, 1:04 AM

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Very dead thread, but I thought I'd take my chances.

So, I am going into an MFA in the fall of 09. I am entering into a fully funded situation (tuition + stipend) and living in an affordable town, and don't expect to get another job, at least not until summers roll around.

My question: are there GRANTS and/or FELLOWSHIPS i should be applying to, outside of the school to supplement my studies? i know there are resources post-MFA in terms of residencies and book competitions and latter-day-fellowships to finish a book in some maine coastal town somewhere... and trust me, i'll be applying for all of the above... but is there anything i can do NOW to help the fact that i will have $12,000 a year to live on? i guess i just like a cushion... not that i have an extravagant lifestyle (opposite) but... any help to not have to get another job?

advice? links? etc?


gcsumfa


Jun 9, 2009, 2:29 AM

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Very dead thread, but I thought I'd take my chances.

So, I am going into an MFA in the fall of 09. I am entering into a fully funded situation (tuition + stipend) and living in an affordable town, and don't expect to get another job, at least not until summers roll around.

My question: are there GRANTS and/or FELLOWSHIPS i should be applying to, outside of the school to supplement my studies? i know there are resources post-MFA in terms of residencies and book competitions and latter-day-fellowships to finish a book in some maine coastal town somewhere... and trust me, i'll be applying for all of the above... but is there anything i can do NOW to help the fact that i will have $12,000 a year to live on? i guess i just like a cushion... not that i have an extravagant lifestyle (opposite) but... any help to not have to get another job?

advice? links? etc?


Probably not what you want to hear, but those types of grants are extremely, extremely hard to come by, and usually go to advanced PhD students working on dissertations. I've never heard of an MFA student getting one of those mammies (I don't think there's a special external fellowship for MFA students).

Also, some of those external fellowships can negate your current funding (for instance, some of the doctoral external fellowships are enough to double or triple a TA'ship, and often a student will have to chose one over the other).

Your best bet is to get a small PT job or take out some loan money.


bighark


Jun 9, 2009, 6:00 AM

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One of my classmates is a Javits scholar. http://www.ed.gov/programs/jacobjavits/index.html


Tabby


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Jun 9, 2009, 6:47 PM

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Don't know about outside grants. But I had great success getting money from the school for travel (AWP, book research, writing seminars, etc.) Take advantage.


http://www.kellykathleenferguson.com


taraberyl



Jan 7, 2010, 10:06 PM

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Hey guys - couldn't find the answer to this on the forum yet. I am filling out my fafsa to the best of my abilities, and I am being told that I can only enter the codes for 10 schools on the form...but I am applying to 12 schools...what's my next move?


taraberyl



Jan 7, 2010, 10:18 PM

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whoops. sometimes i forget this board is not the only place to find answers. google gave me my answer.
if any of you are befuddled - you file with your favorite 10, wait for an SAR report, then delete/add schools and resend.
PHEW.

fafsa is making me feel like a glutton - more than 10 schools.


raynold


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Feb 26, 2010, 5:44 AM

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Wow, I wish I looked at this thread 6 months ago. I don't think all of my schools are fully funded. What would you all suggest I do if the schools I get into aren't fully funded? I am really quite poor.

Also, how do you go about finding out if they're fully funded? All their websites say is that they offer fellowships and TA opportunities, but that doesn't sound like full funding.

The only one that I got into so far says for the best students, there are tutoring/internships opportunities, but those pay something like $17/hr for 10 hours a week - which is hardly enough to offset the $15,000 a semester their website claims.


umass76


Feb 26, 2010, 9:55 PM

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Raynold,

National MFA Funding Rankings.

S.


jthummel


Mar 5, 2010, 4:11 PM

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Has anyone applied for the Jacob K. Javits Fellowship? And, if so, have you heard anything yet?

Thanks!


Thomassutpen


Mar 7, 2010, 2:08 AM

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Is it not the worst thing to get in and not get money? I feel like it's a litmus test.
I'm also applying to law school and its frustrating when they say, "yea, our graduates are making $120,000 a year directly out of school."
Anyway, money is an awful thing to have to deal with. Anyone know of anybody generous?


potshot


Mar 7, 2010, 1:17 PM

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Over on the gradcafe.com forums the word is the Javits have been delayed because of all the bad weather in D.C. Over 800 applications, apparently. Notifications may come March 10th, 15th, or possibly later. No word on how many of those apps were for CW.

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