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tucker

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Sep 8, 2009, 5:53 PM

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Hey jrector,

Warren Wilson College will.


jrector


Sep 9, 2009, 10:23 AM

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Thanks, Tucker. I'll put them on my list.

I am startting to wonder if an MFA program is the way to go these days. It seems like no one offers tenure track positions anymore (unless you have a PHD and teach lit) and the life of a CW teacher consists of moving from school to school. Is the market flooded? In addition to an MFA, what kind of publishing record would you need to rise to the top of the pack and find a tenure track job?


boypoet


Sep 15, 2009, 4:40 PM

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I went to Vermont College without an undergraduate degree on the strength of my manuscript submission.


writerle


Sep 15, 2009, 4:49 PM

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Tenure track positions are quite difficult to find these days. There are a lot of MFA programs churning out a lot of grads these days, and there just aren't enough teaching jobs to go around. I know a lot of people who adjunct, but very few who have managed to obtain full-time tenure track positions teaching creative writing. You need a fairly impressive publication record (book by a major publishing company, awards, etc.) to even be considered, I would imagine.

Low residency programs have the added disadvantage that they often do not include any teaching experience. Most of the programs (mine included) focus totally on improving your writing. That isn't a bad thing, but it is something to keep in mind when choosing a program.

I do think low res programs are more open to admitting students who do not have undergrad degrees. I'm not sure how not having an undergrad degree would affect your ability to teach.


jlgwriter
Jeanne Lyet Gassman
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Sep 15, 2009, 5:29 PM

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We had a great panel discussion about teaching at the last Vermont residency. The discussion was led by Robin Behn and Robert Vivian, both full-time instructors at traditional universities and instructors at Vermont. Their advice:

If you want to teach when you graduate, start looking for part-time teaching opportunities now. Consider teaching at park and rec programs, adult ed centers, tutoring centers, literary programs, and high schools. If you want a tenure-track position, you need some publications under your belt, preferably a book and/or a major award. Robin also pointed out that there are more opportunities for MFAs to teach overseas than people realize. And don't overlook the ESL factor. She said that they had a 100% placement rate for MFAs from her school who were trained in ESL. The irony of all this is that you don't have to be bi-lingual. Other countries want you to teach their students to read and write English. Robert stressed that CW jobs are becoming increasingly more competitive, and many schools are now showing preference for those with a PhD, although the AWP considers the MFA to be a terminal degree.

Some things to think about...

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jayd


Sep 24, 2009, 10:03 AM

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Good Morning...

I've been following for awhile. The previous comments have been very helpful for the application process I just went through.

I've heard back from two low res programs for the Jan residency. Is there anyone else here who has applied for jan res? If so, have you heard back from any schools? I don't have much time to decide and I'm still waiting to hear from Warren Wilson and Bennington...

Thoughts?


299 broadway


Sep 25, 2009, 11:57 AM

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I applied to Bennington for Jan 2010...got a nice signed letter saying they received my application and that decisions would be made by end of October. I haven't heard back since the letter, which arrived in early sept. good luck


mapangui


Sep 26, 2009, 9:44 PM

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Call WW. I did and they told me I was not in. This was two weeks ago when I heard I was accepted into my first choice... (an even better top 5 low res) All good.


jayd


Sep 27, 2009, 12:31 PM

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Thank you for your response. Congrats on your acceptance to your first choice. Although I was also accepted to my first choice...I did call WW and didn't get in either.

Thanks again.


299 broadway


Sep 28, 2009, 8:22 AM

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That's excellent on getting into your first choice. Would you care to say which program?


labazro


Sep 28, 2009, 12:30 PM

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I'm still waiting on Bennington. WW said no. I received a yes from Vermont and Pacific and doing my best to learn about both--would love to hear your thoughts. Reading some from the faculty has helped quite a bit. Would love to know about Bennington before I made a decision, but...every indication says i won't know in time. Vermont has already extended the deadline to decide one week for me.
In any case, I am very excited.


(This post was edited by labazro on Sep 28, 2009, 12:31 PM)


jlgwriter
Jeanne Lyet Gassman
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Sep 28, 2009, 1:00 PM

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What's your genre? I'm in my 4th semester at Vermont (fiction) and absolutely LOVE this program. It has exceeded my expectations far beyond anything I imagined. If you want more info about Vermont, feel free to send me a PM.

Jeanne
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jayd


Sep 28, 2009, 1:17 PM

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299 Broadway, Pacific was my first choice. I've heard so many good things about the program and the faculty. The other program I got into was Stonecoast. Where are you deciding to go?


labazro


Sep 28, 2009, 1:37 PM

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I am fiction. I have heard nothing but good things about both programs. I have spoken to students from Vermont and feel I have all the information I need--thank you. I am due to speak to a student at Pacific today. I really don't think I can go wrong, but I am still unsure. Hard to put into words. I'm trying to balance the creative, professional, geographical, financial aspects of each.
Jayd, what is it about Pacific that draws you to it?


(This post was edited by labazro on Sep 28, 2009, 1:38 PM)


jayd


Sep 28, 2009, 2:47 PM

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One thing I liked about Pacific is that you can take one semester in another genre. I applied in both genres to most schools and it was important to me that I could feed both my fiction and poetry. All the feedback I have heard and read from current students or alumni have communicated a challenging but warm program. What really pushes me towards Pacific are the fantastic things I've heard about the faculty. I've read some of their work and was really enthused with the idea of working with them. Another concern of mine was that I could teach and the possibility of a teaching assistantship is a bonus.

In addition, I have that feeling itís the right place for me. I'm sure whatever you choose, will be the perfect program for you.


mapangui


Sep 28, 2009, 4:20 PM

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299 broadway Antioch... Can't wait!!!


299 broadway


Sep 28, 2009, 4:22 PM

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Good for you! All the best.


mapangui


Sep 28, 2009, 4:32 PM

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I wish you the best as well.


299 broadway


Oct 2, 2009, 9:56 AM

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Has anyone heard from Bennington?


jayd


Oct 2, 2009, 12:18 PM

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I haven't.


299 broadway


Oct 2, 2009, 12:21 PM

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Thanks Jayd.


labazro


Oct 2, 2009, 1:23 PM

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me either and it's driving me nuts. only because VC wants to know now. bennington keeps told me they won't know anything until maybe the end of October or maybe sooner.

Anyone else in this situation?


jayd


Oct 5, 2009, 9:22 AM

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Did you call VC? Maybe they can help you out. I am sure other people have been in this situation.


labazro


Oct 5, 2009, 9:42 AM

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VC gave a week extension, which us up today. Bennington is out of the office until tomorrow. I've gotten a really great vibe from VC and less so from Bennington (much of what I've read has made me thing it is not the place for me), so I don't think I'll wait anymore.

VC may let me extend a bit more, but Bennington's strongests inference was that I'd need to wait till the end of the month. I do not expect VC to wait that long.

while waiting I've gotten more and more excited about Vermont College.

Any thoughts?


jayd


Oct 5, 2009, 9:45 AM

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I think you should go with your gut. I am also waiting for Bennington but have gotten a really great vibe from Pacific and Queens.

I'm not going to risk my spot at another program. Whether you go to Bennington or VC, you'll be challenged as a writer. I don't think you can make a bad decision.

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