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wilmabluekitty
Wilma Weant Dague

Apr 6, 2007, 6:33 PM

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Say, this school has an excellent reputation--blank graduated from it, you know." Just have to find the blank.


wiswriter
Bob S.
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Apr 7, 2007, 12:14 AM

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Does anyone have any ideas for whitty retorts to people's snobbishness? It is not internet school, goddammit, and we actually do more writing than people in full residency programs. That's about all I can come up with. Any thoughts?


There's not much you can do. Bennington sometimes has a faint ring to non-writers because of the literary history there, but people still go cockeyed when I tell them what my degree is and how I got it. At my first residency the student who spoke for the graduating class at the banquet brought the house down by screwing up his face and squawking, "How's the correspondence course going? Did you draw the turtle or the pirate?"


sfische


Apr 7, 2007, 11:01 AM

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HA. That's pretty good. I think I should just respond with a joke about drawing pirates. And the response with the names -- that's pretty good, but doesn't work so well for people who don't know much about the literary world. Of course, with them, I could just make stuff up -- maybe something like, "Well, while I'm not in school, Tom Clancy takes me on guided tours of Soviet submarines so that I can learn how to nuke Voldemort in my search for the Holy Grail."


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Apr 7, 2007, 12:39 PM

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Maybe you need to find a new crowd. Never, when I was in the low-res program or in the eight years since I graduated, have I heard a snide comment about it. People are curious, sometimes jealous, but never pejorative.


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sfische


Apr 7, 2007, 2:22 PM

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Well, yes, of course I'm trying to get a new crowd, hence the applying to MFA programs, but there's not much you can do about parents and family, especially when they're the snooty type.


wilmabluekitty
Wilma Weant Dague

Apr 7, 2007, 3:11 PM

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I like your Tom Clancy reply--too funny. Maybe those snide remarks come from people who are jealous. People have the impression that writing isn't really work, and wouldn't they like to have the money and time to just "fool around" all the time?


(This post was edited by wilmabluekitty on Apr 9, 2007, 1:05 PM)


greenandblue


Apr 9, 2007, 12:28 PM

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Great to see what I have to look forward to, in terms of explanations :-)

On the subject of my original question, is there anyone else who wants to weigh in on well-respected low-res programs?


jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Apr 9, 2007, 1:58 PM

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I'll bite :)

I wasn't very involved in the "literary world" when I decided to go back to school. I was well aware of Warren Wilson b/c I am a life-long NC resident and of course did my undergrad in NC at UNCG so they were well known. I actually didn't realize what a big reputation they had until I really started looking.

From what I can tell w/ low-res the names I always heard were: Warren Wilson, Bennington, Vermont and Goddard. I am personally at Queens and love it. There were a lot of factors to my decision and that is what I really like about low-res, there is probably one to suit your needs.

For me priorities were:
1-Length of residency (shorter the better, given lack of vacation time at work)
2-Work of the poets (since I am in poetry) that were on faculty.
3-Cost
4-Length of program (I wanted two year)
5-Application process (I really didn't want to have to take the GRE--I know, big baby)

Good luck w/ your search.


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rachellauren12


Apr 12, 2007, 9:59 PM

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I have just accepted Queen's offer of admission. It was a tough choice between Queens, Vermont, Goddard, and Lesley, but for some reason, Queens kept coming back to the top of my list. Mostly it was the wonderful things I've heard about the faculty and I really like the online-workshop component, even though some people are hesitant about this format. To me, it just seems like a great way to feel more connected to my peers between residencies. I was wondering if anyone else is planning on starting there this summer?



jacarty
Jessie Carty
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Apr 13, 2007, 7:18 AM

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welcome :)

what is your concentration area? feel free to send me a priv msg and I can tell you anything you want to know about the program. this may res will be my 2nd semester and i am on the welcoming committee...seriously, we have one.

**congrats and applause**

Jessie


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naristy


Apr 13, 2007, 6:47 PM

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Has anyone heard anything at all from Lesley in the past week or ten days? I thought my rejection would be waiting for me in the mail when I got back from vacation...I'm sure it's on its way.


coolshoes


Apr 15, 2007, 6:56 PM

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One of the things that makes Goucher seem so appealing to me (even apart from the excellent faculty) is that I can commute to the residencies, meaning that I have a decent chance of arriving home before my kids' bedtimes each evening and getting to read *Click Clack Moo* with them for the 97th time... I'm wondering if any other low-residency MFA folks (current or prospective) find it painful or just inconvenient to balance (or to think about how to balance) writing and family commitments and pleasures. Are the residencies a torture? Are they a joy? Is the financial investment something you worry about, as money that could pay for your children's education rather than for your education, ongoing as it is?

--lapwing


Lapwing -
I have two residencies under my belt and can tell you that I personally would find it tremendously distracting and disjointed to have to (or be able to ) arrive home each night. There is so much internal momentum, introspection and just plain thinking that goes on while I am at a residency, I would be loathe to interrupt that. Also, I find so much rich discussion (and a bit of fun) occurs after hours amongst students and faculty.

The first time away was difficult - it was summer and I really missed being home w/my children, but after the first 3 days, I settled in, used my cell phone and email a lot during lunch and at night, and then by day 11, I found I wanted (and took) and extra R&R buffer day between the intensity of the residency and coming back home to kids, chores, summer activities, etc. On the other hand, my kids are older than yours, so that makes a difference I'm sure, in being able to take some pressure off your significant other who has to handle a lot while you are away...

Yes, I get the guilts about spending $$$$ that could go toward their education, but then again, if Mama ain't happy....as they say, and I waited a long time to pursue this. That said, undertaking this involves scurrying to make every extra dime I can, forsaking sleep, and no vacations, big purchases, etc. for at least 2-3 years, probably more, since my husband's income keeps us going, but that's it.
I think my kids are gaining something valuable too, seeing that education is important at any age and that a mom who loves what she is doing is a lot more fun to have around.

Good luck. Goucher has a wonderful reputation and I was waitlisted there, but opted to get going right away in another program and have not regretted it. There are folks in my low-res program who do commute from their homes each day and there are mixed reactions. At the winter program, two who live close by nevertheless chose to stay in the housing provided to have a total immersion experience.


lforster
Laura
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Apr 18, 2007, 12:03 AM

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does anybody know how old lesley's program is now? any thoughts on lesley vs. vermont college?


koh1977


Apr 18, 2007, 5:07 PM

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I heard from Lesley at the end of last month, BUT on a related subject, I JUST got a rejection letter from Hamline in children's writing (after I had asked them almost a month ago about decisions and they told me to call them in a couple of days then it was that I'd hear from them in a week or so) I went ahead and made my decision without knowing one way or the other, but still...

Have you tried calling or e-mailing them to check on your status?


piratelizzy


Apr 18, 2007, 5:27 PM

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Does it seem to anybody like a lot of programs (not exclusively low-res) are in the habit of stringing people along or just plain too disorganized to follow through in a timely fashion? OK, I know that's a loaded question, but I've been really surprised and frustrated at how slow these schools were in responding...


'sup?!


alishein


Apr 18, 2007, 5:39 PM

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I know I'm still waiting to hear from 2 schools...I contacted one of them two weeks ago and they predicted that it would take about 2 weeks -- but 2 weeks is now and still silence. I kind of wish this process would just end already.


naristy


Apr 18, 2007, 5:58 PM

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I got a letter from Lesley 2.5 weeks ago saying I should hear in 2 weeks. I finally emailed graduate admissions and was CCed on an email to someone else asking what the status of creative writing apps were because the Power that Be is out till Monday. The thing is I need to know cause I need to plunk down a deposit for a workshop this coming Friday. The workshop and Lesley's summer residency overlap. UGH!


naristy


Apr 19, 2007, 1:34 PM

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Just got off the phone with Steven Cramer. In at Lesley for Spring '08!!!! This is the best of all worlds because I can still go to Kenyon in June. I am so excited I can't take it!


sfische


Apr 19, 2007, 3:20 PM

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Congratulations, naristy! That is wonderful. And a lot of writing workshops! Good luck with all of it -- it sounds like a lot of work and a lot of fun.


Windiciti



Apr 19, 2007, 3:25 PM

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Maybe those snide remarks come from people who are jealous. People have the impression that writing isn't really work, and wouldn't they like to have the money and time to just "fool around" all the time?

Oh Wilma a truer word was never said!
My sister and some friends often mention, when they want me to do something, that I must have the time because now "I am not working." This in spite of the fact that I take two college courses!

I wish the knew how painful writing can sometimes be, and how much self-flagellation accompanies us when we are dissatisfied with our own work, or editors return it in a SASE on a weekly basis.

I am beginning to feel like a priest/nun who is questioning his/her belief in God.
WHEW!


naristy


Apr 19, 2007, 3:31 PM

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Thanks sfische! I really thought it was "game over" for me given my waitlists/rejections (2 of each). I am very excited about Lesley given the interdisciplinary component and the reputation of their faculty being wonderful, caring mentors. It's also, of course, nice to get positive feedback on one's work from a program director--or anyone in the field for that matter!

Where did you decide to go in the end? Will it be Antioch?


sfische


Apr 19, 2007, 10:42 PM

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It is a good feeling to get in. Bask in it! I only got into 2.5/7 (there was a waitlist), and only schools in California accepted me. I guess the east coast doesn't like me. It could be worse, I guess, only schools in Hawaii could have accepted me :)

Yep, I decided on Antioch and I really can't wait. Congratulations again!


naristy


Apr 19, 2007, 10:57 PM

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Congrats on making that decision sfische. I know it wasn't easy. For what it's worth, I think Antioch has a great program and you really can't go wrong. I'm still on the waiting list there and probably won't find out till late May but that's OK. Another acceptance would be gravy but now I have options. Good luck to you at Antioch! Knock 'em dead.


girlinblack

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Apr 22, 2007, 7:10 PM

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I was waitlisted at PLU via postal mail on Thursday. I've already decided to go elsewhere, however.


danielledf


Apr 28, 2007, 1:05 PM

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I was waitlisted at PLU via postal mail on Thursday. I've already decided to go elsewhere, however.


I'm really glad I found this board - and just in the nick of time. I am deliberating over Goddard verses Vermont College (I was also accepted by and have ruled out the University of Nebraska and Fairleigh Dickinson) for the summer residencies. My dilemma is that I am also a playwright and the only program I applied to that officially supports that is Goddard. That being said, I wonder if VC would offer a more "developing my craft" kind of orientation than Goddard? I read on this board here somewhere that Goddard was more "academic' (than what ?). Also VC offered me a stipend merit scholarship.

AND -- I am grappling with the cachet/stigma issue as I am a consultant (currently on hiatus looking for an alternative immediate money-making endeavor) and would like my degree to impact my credentials among the non-writer community. To that end, no one had heard of WWU or Queens but Goddard and Bennington register some recognition from those old enough to remember the liberal, liberal arts schools. I've found that some people (outsiders) confuse VC with Middleburry College (not a bad thing). In the executive search world the industry often lampooned Fairleigh D as "Fairly Ridiculous" (I know, very unfair) which is possibly clouding my judgement. As an aside -- does anyone know anything about Fairleigh's program? I have not gotten a feel from their site -- other than the international component.

Irrespective of perceived reputation, I am most concerned with the experience of the program and am fairly certain that I'll go with Goddard as their faculty roster seems stronger in theater and film. VC's website is a bit confusing as I am seeing only photos of the faculty until I highlight it -- so I can't quickly peruse the names.
VC is so praised, it seems, from former students. Any advice?

Although I may need a rigorous academic approach, I am drawn towards the "do as much writing (and reading) as possible." The critical analysis work sets my teeth on edge. One of my essays for Goddard (addressing what my program study might be) was titled (for my eyes only) "chewing on glass." University of Nebraska asks for a critical essay a week, I delayed my acceptance there until next semester.

Speaking of which, I may table the residency for the winter simply because there is a lot on my plate which is unknown. (3 young children, transitioning "day gig", scaling down expenses, selling our house for parts unknown, moving (somewhere) either in July or August, etc.). But I'm not getting any younger so a suspension, well, is a suspension.

I'm getting that these seminars are pretty demanding. Any advice on that would be welcome as well. Thanks! Oyy, writing a post for writers is harrowing. As a "creative writer," I've been able to avoid Strunk and White. Or the Chicago School -- whatever the current reference is. Please be kind.

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