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Rebecca Livingston

Jan 31, 2001, 11:54 PM

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Kathy, The undergraduate faculty generally doesn't have anything to do
with the MFA program. Although there's a few exceptions, April Bernard
teaches at both. Like the students, the faculty comes in from all over
the country. When the MFA students are on campus for their residency,
the undergrads are away on break. During the winter residency, there
are also folks on campus attending a month-long Shakespeare acting
workshop. During the summer, there's a group of dancers. There's some
interaction between the MFA students and the other groups during meals
and in the evenings at the cafe -- but the programs are run
seperately. As for what I want to do now; I want to continue writing
and learning. I put together a plan of what I'm going to read, write
and where I'm going to submit. Bascially I'm trying to peddle my
manuscript and planning what I'll do for my second one. As for
employment, I'm looking to go back into the field (Internet/New Media)
I was in before I went back to school. Reb


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Tamara Kaye Sellman

Feb 1, 2001, 5:02 AM

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Rebecca, congratulations on graduating! You must be so glad to be
done. Thanks for the link. It sounds like you would recommend
Bennington for people interested in litcrit as much as craft, maybe?
And what about teaching residencies? The biggest reason I want to go
is to get certified. Tamara


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Rebecca Livingston

Feb 1, 2001, 2:01 PM

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Tamara, I don't know much about teaching residencies. I wouldn't quite
call it literary criticism (although some of that is part of the
program). I don't think it would be anywhere close to getting a MA in
Literature. The program wants all of its graduates to be well read and
knowledgeable about literature. Poetry students will read fiction and
non-fiction in addition to poetry, Fiction students will read poetry
and non-fiction and so on. What I meant by focusing on literature is
by studying it and applying what you learn to your craft. For
instance, during the last residency there were the following lectures:
Robert Bly, Poet-In-Residence (2 lectures): How Writing Turns into
Poetry: Seven Steps That May Be Useful. Reading to lecture: _The
Mystery of the Seven Vowels_ by Godwin and _Sound and Form in Modern
Poetry_ by Gross & McDowell. Robert Creeley, Visiting Lecturer (2
lectures): Poetry and Life. Reading for lectures: _Fictive
Certainities_ by Duncan, Day Book of a Virtual Poet_ by Duyvil. Susan
Dodd, Visiting Lecturer (2 lectures): The Novella in General and the
Degenerative Tragedy in Particular and Myth Plus Psychology. Both
lectures focuses on Mann's _Death in Venice_. William Finnegan,
Visiting Lecturer (2 lectures): Negative Capability and Narrative
Nonfiction and Problems in Cross-Cultural Non-Fiction. He focused on
his book, _Cold New World_ and Berger's _Pig Earth_. Marjorie Perloff,
Visiting Lecturer (2 lectures): Frank O'Hara, Jasper Johns and John
Cage in the "Cool '60's" and The history and theory of Language
Poetry. Reading: _The Collected Poems of Frank O'hara and _Muse and
Drudge_ by Mullen. Normally each visiting lecturer does 3 lectures,
but this residency they did 2 and used the 3rd session for an entire
question and answer period. I have no idea what they'll finally decide
on doing for the upcoming residencies. The publishing panels were
E-publishing & Pif Magazine (started by some Bennington Alumni) and
David Bonanno: American Poetry Review. The graduating student lectures
are too many to list (23 this time), but a sample of some of them
were: The Pulp Folktales of Nikolai Leskov, In James Dickey's
Classroom, A Terrible Beauty: Children and Poetry, Towards a
Philosophy of Dolls, Primo Levi and a Daughter's Search for her
Father's Ordinariness, Historical Fiction in the Light of E.M.
Forster's _Aspects of the Novel_, First Person Journalism, The Use of
Restraint in Fiction, etc. The lectures at these residencies all range
broadly in terms of style (some are more academic, some are very
straightforward, some are a touch experimental) and definately in
terms of subject. The above is just a sample of one residency. Each
residency is very distinct . . . some tend to focus a little more on
one genre (poetry, fiction or non-fiction) or one subject. But
remember, you'll attend 5 residencies (the last one is when you
graduate). The thing about a low-residency program is that you have a
lot of leeway in making it what you want. If you want a more academic
bend, then you just work that out with your teachers. When I first
showed up, I told April Bernard (my first teacher) that I wanted to
familiarize myself more with the cannon. I spent my first semester
studying and writing annotations on Akhmatova, Auden, Bishop, Crane,
H.D., Eliot, Frost, Neruda, Ovid, Lawrence, Thomas, Whitman and Yeats
and others. In the later semesters I continued reading "cannon"
writers, but I also read a lot of contemporary writers. Thomas Ellis
chose half of my reading list (first books, art, etc.) and let me pick
the other half. When I studied with David Lehman, I made a point of
reading the "Avant-Garde" poets since that's one of the things he
specializes in. With Liam Rector (my last semseter) I told him I
wanted to studying Roethke and Lorca and he made many recomendations.
Everyone's reading lists were different. While there was some overlap
with my peers, we all had very different curriculums. One student
wanted to focus on women writers and that's what she did (although she
read a fair share of men too). One student choose to read mostly
experimental works. Anyhow, I'm starting to ramble. I imagine it's
like this at most low- residency programs, but I can only really speak
of my experience at Bennington. Reb Rebecca


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Feb 1, 2001, 2:37 PM

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I never heard of any low-res program that offers teaching residencies,
although Goddard requires a teaching =practicum= and offers a way to
get Vermont certification. I don't know if that certification is
accepted in other states (although, since it's a low-res program, it
only makes sense if it is). dmh


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Kathy Whitman

Feb 1, 2001, 3:25 PM

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At Antioch, you can go an extra year past the MFA for a special focus
in pedagogy. It is supposed to be like a teaching credential. But at
about $5000 / semester, it had better be worth something in the market
place!


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Rebecca Livingston

Feb 1, 2001, 5:33 PM

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Bennington does offer some kind of teaching certificate (seperate from
the MFA program). During orientation they mention it, but I never
pursued looking into the matter because I'm not interested in
teaching. Sorry I can't be more help on that front. Reb


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Tamara Kaye Sellman

Feb 2, 2001, 1:04 AM

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Rebecca, you answered my question well (and thoroughly!), thanks.
Kathy, $10,000 for a teaching credential may seem high, but I could
make a fortune where I live teaching creative writing (ongoing stints
and one-shot series) in private local workshops. (It's basic supply
and demand -- people have the money, but not the service. No
university competition. High ratio of potential
students-to-population. The only hitch? Can't do it without the
credential. These are overeducated folks, either you have an
illustrious publishing history or else you've got to have the
credential.) After looking into it some, I know it would take me less
than a year of once-weeklies to put me well into profits. (I
facilitated workshops where I used to live, and made a pretty fair
rate, but the population was different there, they didn't require a
degree starting with an M or P! My B was just fine with them.) But
you're right to be concerned about the price of the credential -- it
would be worth doing an analysis of your working region to make sure
you can leverage the investment. Where I used to live, it would have
taken me much longer to recuperate $10,000, of this I am sure. Tamara


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Kathy Whitman

Feb 8, 2001, 7:24 PM

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Is anybody out there working on getting their low-res applications
ready for early to mid-March deadlines? I am working on mine and hope
to mail them by th 19th, in advance of the deadlines. I have narrowed
my choices to Goucher, Vermont College, Bennington and Antioch. I
eliminated Goddard for unknown reasons. Anyone planning to apply to
any of those? Kathy


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Tamara Kaye Sellman

Feb 8, 2001, 8:52 PM

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I'm not applying this year, but each of those has appeal for me. Is
there one you are most hoping for? Tamara


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O Trouve

Feb 10, 2001, 11:15 AM

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I am applying for Warren Wilson this year. I think my application is
complete. But now a friend of mine has expressed interest in
Bennington, and, honestly, I hadn't even considered that one before.
Their web-page is really impressive. I have only a very vague sense of
the differences in the low-res. programs. Somehow, I thought WW was
the best, but now I am becoming interested in Bennington! Yet, I hate
to go through the application process again, especially going back to
people to get more recommendations. Someone earlier suggested getting
extras...I wish I had taken that advice! Can anyone who has done all
their research formulate the differences between the residency
programs, especially between WW and Bennington? Thanks, Mina


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Rebecca Livingston

Feb 26, 2001, 4:33 PM

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Just spreading the word about another new low-residency MFA program
starting in October 2001. I don't know anything more than what I read
in the ad in the latest issue of AWP's The Writer's Chronicle.
Actually, they're calling it a "brief" residency program, but it looks
like a low-residency program to me. The residencies are 10 days in May
and October. Spalding University, Louisville, KY.
http://www.spalding.edu/graduate/MFAinWriting/
gradadmissions@spalding.edu Faculty: Dianne Aprile, Julie Brickman,
Louella Bryant, Robin Lippincott, Sena Jeter Naslund, Greg Pape,
Melissa Pritchard, Luke Wallin. Fiction, Poetry, Creative Nonfiction
and writing for children.


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Tamara Kaye Sellman

Feb 27, 2001, 4:11 PM

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Many thanks, Rebecca, for the info. T


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Trisha Leverette

Mar 27, 2001, 3:11 PM

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Anyone applying this year? Anyone heard back yet?


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Brandon Strauby

Apr 28, 2001, 7:03 PM

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Hi, I've read back through some of the posts here and in the other MFA
topic. I have been writing in isolation for some time now & it's great
to discover this community of writers online. It seems a very
supportive place for all kinds of writers, from beginners to well-
published ones. It's impressive to see how many of you have published
books recently. I'm considering an MFA, which is how I discovered the
speakeasy. I say I've been writing on my own, but I've been making use
of whatever poetry writing syllbuses (syllabi?) I could find online
and learning from books like The Practice of Poetry and The Poet's
Companion (and of course reading poetry, too.) So, I'll probably be
choosing between a low-residency program and a very short MFA or MA.
If anyone has done both (esp. in poetry), I would like to hear your
thoughts. Brandon


lynda

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Jun 1, 2001, 7:50 PM

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Where is everyone? Who have all the posters for this subject gone?
YOOOOOO HOOOOOOO! Anyone there in cyberspace? Just finished my first
semester in fiction at Warren Wilson and wondered if any other low res
students are coming out of hibernation, so we can exchange thoughts on
our experiences. Lynda


lynda

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Jun 1, 2001, 7:51 PM

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lynda

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Jun 1, 2001, 7:53 PM

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OOOPS. Sorry about the typo. I meant WHERE have all the posters gone,
not WHO have. . .etc.


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Kathy Whitman

Jun 24, 2001, 10:03 PM

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Hi all, I just got home from my first residency at Antioch and I
absolutely loved it. I had chosen it at the last minute over a
traditional program and, by the end of the residency, I knew I made
the right choice for myself. Yahoo! Kathy


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Bonnie MacPhee

Jun 24, 2001, 11:57 PM

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That's great Kathy! I did the undergraduate CW program at Vermont and
loved it (and it motivated me to do the traditional MFA at Arkansas).
Ready to get published now? LOL


elissa
Elissa Field


Jun 25, 2001, 10:02 AM

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Kathy, so glad to hear it! It does seem so hard to gather info on
these programs and make such a huge decision -- not necessarily
knowing how accurate all the info and insight you based that decision
on will turn out to be, and knowing what a huge impact it will have on
your life (lifestyle, if nothing else). How great that the path you
followed is turning out to be the right one. There are a few other
people here who are also currently in low res MFAs, so I hope you all
will continue to share your experiences. (What, particularly, did you
like about Antioch? The workshops, the peers, the faculty? How is it
structured so far? or anything that seems interesting to share...) E


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Kathy Whitman

Jun 26, 2001, 4:59 PM

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Yah, I decided not to drone on and wait to see if anyone had any
specific quesitons. But in general, I am so impressed with the level
of thought and organization that have gone into the design of the
program. The faculty is comitted and very accessible. The content of
the seminars is very helpful, and the workshops are gritty and
constructive without being mean-spirited. The students are talented
and new students are integrated quickly and with care into the
community. I am anxious to see how this intervening project period
goes. I am excited about getting feedback from the mentor that I will
be working with. Kathy


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Wendy Babiak

Aug 3, 2001, 1:08 PM

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Kathy, I'm so glad you posted! I hardly ever come into this topic, but
something drew me today...I'm considering Antioch, and was wondering
if it's worth the money. It sounds like it is. First I'm gonna go for
an MLA locally (nice and cheap, and it'll get me back into the
academic swing after 10 years out of it), then I'll go for it. In
undergrad I wasn't very good at self-discipline (I'm a LITTLE better
now)...I was wondering what kind of controls they offer to make sure
you keep at your work when you're back at home. How often do you have
to send in assignments? How does all that work?


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Aug 3, 2001, 8:49 PM

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For a low-res MFA you send in a packet usually every three weeks. It's
entirely up to you, and if you don't send stuff in you will fail.
(There usually aren't assignments, though. This is work you have
decided to do, in consultation with your advisor.) dmh


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Michelle Topham

Aug 3, 2001, 8:54 PM

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Wendy, from what I understand you have to be exceptionally self-
motivated for the low-res MFAs. There's really no one to prod you, so
if you don't do the work, as David said, you'll fail. It may not be a
good choice for you if you have problems getting yourself motivated?
(and don't worry, I'm the same way :-)


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Wendy Babiak

Aug 4, 2001, 12:13 AM

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I'm afraid it's my only option if I want to go for an MFA. And that
WAS more than ten years ago...I've learned a thing or two. I'm writing
poetry just about every day these days, and will keep at it. I'm more
motivated now for just about everything compared to when I was 22...

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