Oct 10, 2010, 10:29 AM
Points taken. Mostly I was a pissed over football last night and looking for a fight. You always come through.
Re: [umass76] The Top 25 Underrated Creative Writing MFA Programs in the United States
A few clarifications for the next spat:
You're at a big state school now, right? Take a look around the offices at 5:10 p.m. Do you see any staff, any administrators or AP faculty? The 40 hour figure is still very real for state jobs in my experience (from the inside). Even those working on research don't stay late. That's what grad students are for.
$50K total costs for a grad student is for a year-round appointment. Extrapolation is not needed, and you can't compare that figure directly to salaries. That is *total* costs: salary, tuition, benefits and indirects (the cost of having a building in which to work, electricity, phones and computers and parking spaces, office cleaning staff, etc.--for every head you add to a budget these costs expand to some degree). To compare that to a standard job, you have to add fringes and indirects to those as well, which basically doubles every total. It has also occurred to me that, for a departmentally-funded TA, the tuition part of these costs simply move from one part of the university accounting system directly to the bursar, where they are counted as income (or they are waived). $50K is what we would charge the federal government for a fully-supported GRA, for example, but giving tuition to a department within the university is basically free. With the indirect included, that reduces the cost to the university by about $16K. So we're at $34K.
The hours calculation does not exactly jibe either. You are including only the TA hours, but using the entire value received for your calculation, including tuition. Classes, writing and studying are part of a grad student's "job" as well, and if you include those hours it is far over 40.
(This post was edited by jaywalke on Oct 10, 2010, 10:30 AM)