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Mar 6, 2010, 5:59 PM

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Oh Jeez... You are really wasting everyone's time now. The data I gave you was for entry-level jobs. Look at that list of schools above -- how many have MFAs? They are all jobs teaching CW to undergrads.

Oh Jeez. You apparently have no clue what you're talking about if you think all of those jobs are considered "entry level,” or if you think I’m too stupid to actually click the Wikia link to see that half of the job results—many at places that are in fact “entry level”—were never even reported. It would make sense, wouldn’t it, that the bigger jobs would have their results reported on such a site, rather than a job at Nebraska-Wesleyan? No? You only copied the results of the places that have been self-reported. I visit that site quite regularly, and many of the results at smaller places go unreported. Wikia is a self-reported site. Many people still don’t even know it exists.

Also, what do you mean, “they’re all jobs teaching undergrads”? George Mason? LSU? Houston? Huh? There’s a big difference between teaching undergrads in addition to grad students (it’s not uncommon at all for MFA profs to teach grad-undergrad mixed loads) and teaching undergrads at an institution that only serves undergrads (or one that isn't considered a research university). Do you really think that, in these times, state research universities that serve grad students and undergrads are hiring writers to just teach MFA students? Do you not see the difference between these hires and the hires at places like Nebraska-Wesleyan?

Do you not know the wide-ranging distinctions between institution types, the differences between RI’s, regional universities, and SLACS? Do you think creative writing jobs aren’t impacted by these distinctions? Do you think the hires at LSU and Houston will also have to teach composition and world literature, like the hire at Nebraska-Wesleyan? Do you think a poet with 5 books is going to sign on to teach composition and world literature at Nebraska-Wesleyan?

Are you really this stupid?

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Even Cornell's recent search was for a job teaching undergrads.

Let me get this straight--you think a job teaching undergrads at an Ivy League school is "entry level"? I originally cited an example of a small liberal arts college in the mountains of North Carolina—as a hypothetical—and you respond with an example of a school that is in the highest Carnegie tier possible—a prestigious RI with one of the biggest endowments in the world. Hilarious. Many of these distinctions extend beyond the world of creative writing, Seth. “Entry level” is determined by many factors outside of creative writing, like, you know, the fact that a school that only serves undergrads--one that isn’t very prestigious--can’t offer a great salary, and requires its professors to teach in more than one area. Jeez, dude—to borrow your own word. This isn’t rocket science, you know?

Furthermore, as already noted, it’s not uncommon for MFA faculty to teach graduate and undergraduate students; this is not the same as teaching a full load of undergrad courses, half of which—sometimes more—aren’t even CW. So no, you don’t have a good understanding of “entry level” in the humanities-creative writing market! Cite all the stats you want! You know what they say about "stats"....what's the saying?...

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You said that a CW Ph.D. could expect to find a TT job and that this was one reason to do a creative dissertation.

I did?

I said that a CW PhD increases his chances to land a job because the degree qualifies him to teach literature courses, which makes him more attractive to places that can’t afford to hire someone to just teach creative writing to nineteen year olds in Nebraska.

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Look, GCSUMFA, I'm not telling you all this for my health. I already know this stuff, and I'm making decisions based on it. This is for your benefit, because clearly you don't know any of this. If you want to ignore it I could care less.

How does this info benefit me? I’m not a poet.

I don’t think anyone benefits from your bouts of logorrhea. If I wanted to read a filibuster, I’d watch C-SPAN, not read one of your long-winded, bullying screeds.

(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Mar 6, 2010, 6:08 PM)

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Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 6:00 PM
Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 6:02 PM
Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 6:08 PM

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