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Mar 6, 2010, 3:50 PM


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Nor am I at all clear why GCSUMFA only looked up "young poets" on AWP -- whose online data the organization has conceded (to me personally!) is not updated regularly or always accurately -- when in fact that stacks the deck; the question is how hard is it to get a job, and how many jobs are available, and who gets them, not the answer to any of those questions within the specific context of only schools that were already willing to hire young people.

1 book is exceedingly unlikely to get anyone a job. 2 books is exceedingly unlikely to get anyone a job. 2 books with approximately 1 major national award or fellowship is -- amazingly -- roughly "at" the average qualification level in this field. I stand by my contention that, going forward, and taking into account both publicized jobs (which go to less qualified candidates) and unpublicized jobs (which go to more qualified candidates), the average situation will be that one must have 3 to 5 books (and notice I didn't claim one had to have any national awards or fellowships) to get a TT job over the next 5 years.

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Why wouldn't I focus on "young" poets, given the particular context of my post?

How many poets can expect to graduate a PhD CW program with 3-5 books? My point was in regards to the market for PhD CW grads just entering it , since most--if not all of us--posting on this thread are either applying to programs or still in programs and under the age of 40.

Do you really think that a 35 year old with a CW PhD and a well-received book--1 book--won't be a good candidate for a job at a mid-tier state university? Or, that many departments would rather hire someone with ten books who will be looking to leave before he steps on campus instead of a young up-and-comer who will stay around longer? Seriously? How complicated is this? On what planet can it be reasonably expected for a poet to leave a PhD CW program with 3-5 books? And, with this in mind, why shouldn't I focus on the hiring of young poets when I'm clearly discussing "first jobs" out of a PhD CW program?

I'm assuming that all of us here are smart enough to realize that "first job" doesn't equal "job for life," or that poets stop writing once they land their first jobs out of grad school.


(This post was edited by gcsumfa on Mar 6, 2010, 3:58 PM)


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Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 3:52 PM
Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 3:53 PM
Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 3:54 PM
Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 3:56 PM
Post edited by gcsumfa (Enthusiast) on Mar 6, 2010, 3:58 PM


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