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sarandipidy


Oct 26, 2005, 6:11 PM

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hi everyone,

i am applying to brown's program for poetry. i've been reading lately that is is mostly comprised of experimental poets. i am not one of these. i still want to apply, but i thought maybe someone here might have gone there or knows a little more than i do. my poems are pretty image-heavy and sometimes surreal, but they are grounded in narrative and are definitely not avant-garde.

also, i'm applying to umass amherst. anyone know about this program (i.e. is there a typical poetry style)?

thanks.


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morehouse


Oct 26, 2005, 8:00 PM

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interesting, i'm applying to both of those schools as well.
i honestly don't know the answer to your questions but
i just wanted to say hello anyway.


curbludgeon


Oct 27, 2005, 12:17 AM

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I seem to remember the site for UMass' program having a link to their MFA journal. That might help, to see what kind of work folks in the program have been writing.


hazelmotes


Oct 28, 2005, 6:36 PM

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I have a similar question for fiction-- I'm strongly considering applying to Brown, but frankly, I'm not an experimental writer, and I'm not sure it's worth my while. I met Robert Coover the other day and asked him how to get into the Brown program, and he told me to basically submit my strangest stories. My subject matter is a little off-kilter, but my writing style is fairly straightforward.


sovietsleepover


Oct 31, 2005, 2:40 PM

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I'm not sure if this is totally kosher, but: both the people who run horseless press graduated from Brown recently & might be willing to answer some questions. I'm only familiar with one person's work, and it's grown more and more experimental in the time I've known her (from maintaining a fairly traditional narrative structure pre-Brown)..

I'd recommend reading the work of faculty & students at Brown--I think it matters whether you like their work there more than most places, since it's often constructed under constraints (found/collage, for example) that you'd be experimenting with also. I think if you're not committed to that level of experimentalism, there are probably other interdisciplinary programs that blend experimentalism with traditional structures a little more (I can't think of any right now though!).


hazelmotes


Nov 1, 2005, 2:42 PM

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Well, some of the facutly, Wideman, for example, I like a lot. But honestly, I would HATE having to do work only under the restraint of found collage. I mean, maybe it could get me started on something I might consider a "real story" but it's not my thing. I like the idea of a program that's open to a lot of different types of writers. I don't like the idea of a program where being strange is forced, and I'm trying to figure out which type of program Brown is.

Thanks for your tips


franz


Dec 5, 2005, 7:05 PM

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 I met Robert Coover the other day and asked him how to get into the Brown program, and he told me to basically submit my strangest stories. My subject matter is a little off-kilter, but my writing style is fairly straightforward.


I'm applying to Brown as well and I'm curious what others have to say about this. Are there any MFA or former MFA students from Brown reading this? Or do you know of anybody who has gone to school there? If so, what insights do you have on the necessity of having a heavily 'experimental' focus?


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


hazelmotes


Dec 5, 2005, 7:19 PM

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fyi, I decided not to apply to Brown because of this "Experimental" problem. Read the faculty! I looked over some stuff and decided it was way off the mark for my work, and not worth the $70 application fee.


franz


Dec 5, 2005, 7:26 PM

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fyi, I decided not to apply to Brown because of this "Experimental" problem. Read the faculty! I looked over some stuff and decided it was way off the mark for my work, and not worth the $70 application fee.


Hey there, I have read quite a bit of the faculty, and overall, the faculty doesn't seem that experimental in bent. Wideman and Adoo are pretty straightforward in style. Evenson is kind of horror-fantastical but not that experimental. Even Coover, who is all over the place, is pretty straightforward at times.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


felixqvarga


Dec 15, 2005, 10:26 PM

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I go to Brown. I graduate in May. I am in Fiction. I would not say it is overly experimental. There is a mix. I would say that it is fairly skewed toward postmodern narrative (whatever that is). If anyone has further questions I'd be happy to answer them.

p.s. my name isn't really felix


franz


Dec 16, 2005, 12:06 AM

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I go to Brown. I graduate in May. I am in Fiction. I would not say it is overly experimental. There is a mix. I would say that it is fairly skewed toward postmodern narrative (whatever that is). If anyone has further questions I'd be happy to answer them.

p.s. my name isn't really felix


Thanks for answering my question. I would love to know more about your insights into the program (along with the other 700 some applicants, I suppose). How is the funding there? Is there good financial aid? What do you think of the quality of teaching and your overall experience there?
Last but not least, having been at this point yourself, what would you say the multitudes of us applicants are up against, in terms of getting accepted?
I'm sure many of us would love to see some writing from the program, but I'm guessing that's too much to ask.
Thanks for any insights you might have!


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


felixqvarga


Dec 16, 2005, 1:15 AM

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Well, let's see. First of all, it is a fairly hands-off program. They aren't really pushing a particular style (read:Iowa) nor are they actively seeking to produce future Harper's editors (Columbia). in some ways, you are very much left alone to do your own thing. The professors I have had have all been, to a fault, committed to taking each person's work on its own terms. No one is interested in making you into any particular kind of writer, but encouraging you to be the writer you want to be.

The funding is excellent. Full tuition plus a stipend, which is twice as much second year as first, because you are teaching both semesters. I taught Intro Fiction this term and enjoyed it a lot. Brown undergrads are as a rule smart and driven overachievers. So that makes a huge difference in terms of the overall teaching experience.

I would say I've definitely become a better writer here. Partially that is due to simply being forced to write on a regular basis. But no doubt there is an extremely high level of discourse in workshops that gives you new ways of thinking about your work.

My only advice re: getting accepted would be to cultivate your unique voice as much as possible, and be fearless. I can also tell you that past grades, publications and so on probably don't matter very much. it's pretty much all about the writing sample.
Hope this helps
fqv


mingram
Mike Ingram

Dec 19, 2005, 9:14 PM

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I go to Iowa. Nobody here's pushing a particular style. Or, well, certain people are pushing certain styles, maybe, and certain other people are kinda sorta pushing other certain styles. Saying there is some overall pushing of some singular style implies a level of organization and unity that doesn't exist in the program, which is much more haphazard and disorganized than those outside the program would probably imagine (mostly this haphazardness functions in a good way, though every now and then it can be infuriating).

Then again, my guess is that most of the stereotypes about various MFA programs are inaccurate: that Iowa wants to churn out writers of realism in some sort of writing factory, that Brown only wants extremely experimental writers, that everyone at Columbia is really mean and will step on your head if your head is in between them and a two-book contracts, etc. etc.


franz


Mar 7, 2006, 5:47 PM

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I go to Brown. I graduate in May. I am in Fiction. I would not say it is overly experimental. There is a mix. I would say that it is fairly skewed toward postmodern narrative (whatever that is). If anyone has further questions I'd be happy to answer them.

p.s. my name isn't really felix


I was just wondering if you have any insights on what's happening with the application process right now. Many of us applied to Brown, and I know I'm not the only one curious about this.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


Logann


Mar 9, 2006, 8:31 PM

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According to their website, they will notify mid-to-late march. So I guess we'll all know within the next three weeks or so. Here's to hope'n!


cyclical



Mar 10, 2006, 10:36 AM

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I've heard about Brown and it's experimental approach, but what kind of "experimental" are we talking about here?

The whole "Idontusespacesorpunctuationinmytrainofthoughtwriting" kind of experimental, the whole David Foster Wallace(1) kind of experimental, or the whole

my fiction
is like poetry
that doesn't rhyme and
I space it
accordingly

kind of experimental?


What are we talking about here?







(1) you know, the kind that uses footnotes to take you into a totally different direction, like how you'd be reading about an ex-girlfriend's car accident only to get a nasty segway into a recipe on how to make fat-free prune veggie brownies, and then actually have to read it, like how you'd mix in one bowl 1/2c flour, 1/3c cocoa, 1/4t baking powder, 1/4t salt and then in a separate bowl mix 1/2c pureed prunes, 2/3c sugar, 1t vanilla, and 2 egg equivalents, then add dry to wet, put in an 8-inch square pan, and bake at 350F for 20-25 minutes or until edges look dry and start to pull away from the pan, that kind of experimental writing?


poetastin


Mar 10, 2006, 12:33 PM

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I've been wondering and wondering myself lately. Schools tell you to look at the faculty's work, but God bless Robert Coover--his work is all great, but varied.

I'd say none of the stuff you mentioned, though, has been 'experimental' for ages. DFW is my absolute favorite author, but his stuff is just an amalgam of Gaddis, Barthelme, Pynchon and others (and he's ruined the "..." thing and the footnote thing--wasn't the first to do either, but now you try to pull those off without someone accusing you of being Wallace-esque!)

Hypertext may be the last experimental thing, and that's what I don't want to encounter at Brown. (You read those Choose Your Own Adventure stories when you were little? Too much like that!)


jgarbe


Mar 11, 2006, 4:38 AM

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Hypertext may be the last experimental thing, and that's what I don't want to encounter at Brown. (You read those Choose Your Own Adventure stories when you were little? Too much like that!)

No offense, but that's like saying "Poetry? You read poetry when you were little? It all rhymes!" One of the most attractive things about hyperfiction (for me, at least) is the bewildering array of forms it can take.

Word on the infostream is Brown sent out a decision to a poet. Congrats to them, but it made me wonder how soon the decisions will be made for the hyperfiction position. I can't imagine as many people applied to electronic writing as poetry or fiction (at least I hope not, with only one seat available!) so logically it would seem I can soon stop biting my nails.

Does anyone have any insider access, any rumors, any murmured names overhead from Coover's office? I'm dyin' here!

~Jacob


poetastin


Mar 11, 2006, 6:32 AM

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No offense, but that's like saying "Poetry? You read poetry when you were little? It all rhymes!" One of the most attractive things about hyperfiction (for me, at least) is the bewildering array of forms it can take.


None taken! That was a little simplistic. The only thing I've seen, so far, is Choose Your Own Adventure type work, in regards to hypertext. Unless you count those little McSweeney's playing cards that Coover did. Did you see those? Very nice. But my difficulty accepting it all (or trying to get into it) is that Coover is just such a great writer of sentences, I really don't care about his experimentation beyond what he did in the sixties with Pricksongs & Descants.

But do you mean to say there's a separate application process for hypertext at Brown? What does that one person do, as opposed to the other fiction guys?


jgarbe


Mar 11, 2006, 2:19 PM

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Not necessarily a separate application, but for the writing sample we have to send "one or two electronic works". The biggest kicker is that while there's five spots for poets, five for fiction writers, and three for playwrights, there's only one for electronic writers. Hence the sweating.

As far as I can tell, it's more of an apprenticeship thing (there's only two professors--Robert Coover and Thalia Field--within the program) but you can take graphic design, computer programming, video, etc. in addition to other fiction and poetry courses. Kind of all over the place, which appealed to me.


~Jacob


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felixqvarga


Mar 11, 2006, 3:05 PM

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Felix (current Brown student) here,

I noticed this thread had picked back up after a long hiatus and wanted to say again that if anyone has any questions, feel free...I don't have any insider info but I can most likely find out if the e-writer spot has been decided. Almost took Coover's class this semester but decided on Maso's instead.

fqv


jgarbe


Mar 11, 2006, 5:44 PM

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Anything you can find out about the status of the e-writer would be phenomenal. Any and all. In my pipe-dream head I imagine a list of the people they've narrowed it down to, but that'd be a flagrant violation. So maybe just a rough idea of how much longer I have to wring my hands.

Thanks a million.

~Jacob


lytonyawename



Mar 11, 2006, 9:42 PM

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okay, so, since Brown is the only place that would really have a shot at pulling me away from my spot at Alabama... let's pretend for a moment i have a shot at Brown: how good is the funding (I know it's personal, but how much really, as long as you don't mind-an estimation maybe)? does everyone pretty much get the same funding? how does it work for living in Prov?
how about time for writing?
how much teaching do you do? what kind of classes?

what kind of real nature is nearby? i've never been north of virginia in the east and am used to lots of nature be it CA or AL...

and thanks for being so thoughtful, that's sweet to offer us outsiders any info.


cyclical



Mar 12, 2006, 12:15 PM

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I may be new to this reading and writing thingy, but isn't hypertext more of like, I dunno, an IT gig? Or is it more like hyperlinking text to webpages? If so, what's so revolutionary about that?


jgarbe


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I suppose if we use the word "hypertext" it can be generalized to all things written in HTML or similar languages, or simply electronic text, which makes the IT comparison perfectly valid. However, when you add hyperfiction, you force a sort of translation on the phrase.

There's actually a lot of IT application to hyperfiction. Take machine writers, for example, or navigation and ordering of lexias that depends on algorithms or similar calculations. The text or narrative becomes the information, so the linking and structuring of that takes on a very similar, if not identical, form to IT.

Most hyperfiction just uses links between lexias, and becomes--as Poetastin said--Choose Your Own Adventure-esque in form. I kind of wish those books had never been written, because the comparison immediately trivializes, juvenilizes, and over-simplifies the possibilities of the medium.

Here's an example of the more common form:
Mark Amerika's Grammatron

There's something like 800 different lexias, which should immediately suggest more complexity than Revenge of the Russian Ghost.

Hyperfiction also blends into "New Media", which is a whole other Pandora's box.
You can use images or movies to connect your story together. Here's an excellent video installation:
Van Sowerwine's Play With Me

and here's one that uses a collage to connect the lexias:
Victory

Hope that helped clarify. Sorry if it was obnoxiously long, but I like sharing information.

~Jacob


felixqvarga


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full funding, basically tuition plus stipend, (plus insurance etc). Everyone
in the program gets exactly the same. The stipend is twice the amount second year because we teach one class per semester. But providence is not that cheap, esp if you want to live near campus. (I pay almost $1000 for a one-bedroom, so there you go).
We're only required to take one class in addition to our workshop each semester, but you can take a second class if you wish and tuition is still covered. Teaching does cut into writing time a lot --with seventeen students, I spend A LOT of time reading/critiquing their papers. But all in all I have gotten a lot of writing done here, and I would say have definitely become a better writer due to my time here. Hope that answers your questions...

fqv


jgarbe


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Well, according to the Waiting Game thread the letters are on their way. Best of luck to everyone. Seems rather strange that they won't send an email, or relay the information over the phone. Unnecessarily secretive. I called up the admissions lady to confirm, and she wouldn't give me anything but a reading from a prepared statement.

It's been known for mail to take up to three weeks to get here (in extreme cases)...so I suppose that answers my earlier question.

Good luck everyone!

~Jacob


jsp


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Felix,

I have been put on the waiting list for fiction at Brown. I am figuring that with only five spots, and the experimental nature of the program being fairly self-selecting, there is little chance that a spot opens up. You are probably not in a position to confirm this, but I wonder if you know of anybody currently in the program who got in off of the waiting list? Thanks.


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viviandarkbloom


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A question for the current Brown student (fqv) and the waitlisted one (jsp): would you consider your work experimental? I'm thinking about applying there next year because some of my stories might be considered marginally experimental (although not by me; if you ask me, the experimentalism in my work is ultimately superficial) but I'm hesitant to waste my application on such a selective program.


felixqvarga


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Hi, well congrats on being waitlisted...to my knowledge no one who is currently in the program started on the waitlist...but I am sure that it happens. Did you apply in fiction or poetry?

Vivian: well, it depends on your definition of experimental, I suppose. I would classiy my work as more satirical/absurdist. But there is quite a variety this year, and there are people who are writing pretty straightforward narrative. I really don't think the program privileges experimentalism, at least not in any formal sense

hope that helps

fqv


felixqvarga


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and you said you're waitlisted for fiction. Best of luck

fqv


jsp


Mar 16, 2006, 5:28 AM

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Viviandarkbloom,

It doesn't feel very experimental writing it, unless that is code for lacking in plot or character development. Perhaps I have an unconventional perspective. In hindsight I wish I had sent some of my stranger stuff. I think my sample was too odd for most programs and not quite enough for Brown. If anything my experience -- positive from Hunter, waitlist at Brown, and negative from Syracuse and Bard, with word still out from others -- shows how subjective the process is, and would speak to applying to lots of places.


viviandarkbloom


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Yeah, that's kind of how I think of my own writing too: too strange for most but not strange enough for Brown. Maybe I'll give Brown a shot next year. Experimentalism is nice, and I love formal invention, but at the end of the day, I still want the same things: well-developed characters, conflict, story, etc. John Hawkes said something about wanting to write with no characters, plot or theme; I've only read two of his novels but I found all three of those things in both. It seems to me that maybe experimentalism (or at least the kind I like) is just different packaging on the old, traditional values: characters. Maybe. But then again, I've tried reading Donald Barthelme and just didn't get much out of it, so who knows.


chrisgrrd
Christoph Girard

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jgarbe


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After three months of agonizing, it's over. Got rejected.

Personally, I don't see what's so secret that they couldn't have just immediately posted the choices to a website or something. Provided a code to those who applied, so we could see.

Does anyone know who the lucky soul is that got the electronic writing seat?

~Jacob


(This post was edited by jgarbe on Mar 17, 2006, 4:24 PM)


JosephC


Mar 17, 2006, 7:13 PM

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jsp, how did they notify you to let you know you were on the waitlist? By phone or paper mail?


jsp


Mar 17, 2006, 11:20 PM

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Paper mail. But even on the list I would need the majority of those admitted to die. I don't think I want it that badly. Almost.


motet
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Mar 18, 2006, 10:42 AM

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But even on the list I would need the majority of those admitted to die. I don't think I want it that badly. Almost.



That got an *LOL*!...and I'm not sure why it struck me in such a funny way.

Maybe it's because I understand in every pore and fiber of my body, how you feel.....


felixqvarga


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Chrisgrrd,

I wouldn't worry that much about your "low-pedigree" school. That might be a factor in some of the other grad programs at Brown but for the MFA it really is all about the work...I know at least one student who was admitted into the MFA program several years ago WITHOUT an undergrad degree.


Clench Million
Charles

Mar 18, 2006, 12:26 PM

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It isn't impossible. For the last class of one top 10 MFA program the directors had 18 rejections. Just went down and down the list.


HopperFu


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Paper mail. But even on the list I would need the majority of those admitted to die. I don't think I want it that badly. Almost.


As long as they die of natural causes. I don't want to read about you in the papers....


persephassa
roxanne carter

Mar 20, 2006, 7:11 PM

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Does anyone know who the lucky soul is that got the electronic writing seat?



i'm not sure, but i was also rejected for electronic writing.
however, i was accepted for fiction at brown!
i am really curious about the incoming students. ??? anyone??


# www.persephassa.com

(This post was edited by persephassa on Mar 20, 2006, 7:17 PM)


JosephC


Mar 20, 2006, 7:20 PM

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Congrats, persephassa! I'm quite a bit jealous, as I haven't heard a peep from Brown and am expecting not to get in. When did you hear the good news? Did they call or send you an email or letter? You've got a great program awaiting you in the fall, well done!


persephassa
roxanne carter

Mar 20, 2006, 7:27 PM

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hey, thanks. i am so excited. i was really shocked when i opened my letter, i felt very lucky.

i have a friend who still hasn't heard anything from them either (she applied for poetry), & i am reaaalllly hoping she gets in. she has the cutest dog. but uh, i got my acceptance for fiction on 03/08, gale nelson called me on 03/13, i got my rejection for electronic writing on 3/15. you'd think they'd send them all out at once, or uhhh... put it in the same letter! but i also got my letters probably earlier than other people, i live in providence up the street from brown, so the mail didn't travel too far.


# www.persephassa.com


franz


Mar 20, 2006, 11:47 PM

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Congratulations! What a selective, awesome program to get into! Checked out your website-- it's really cool, and I'm surprised you didn't get the electronic writing spot. But then I have no clue what you were up against, since I've only just begun to learn about electronic writing from this forum.


Franz Knupfer, author of short stories and novels


JosephC


Mar 22, 2006, 4:03 PM

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Has anyone *still* not heard from Brown? Am I the only one? Another day's mail passed without a rejection letter. It's starting to make me angry. Sniff.


mayfly


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No, I still haven't heard as well--and I am starting to get really frustrated. I just want closure...


vitadimanche


Mar 22, 2006, 8:58 PM

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I haven't heard either, for Poetry. And it's my first choice. And it's pretty obvious by now that I'm not getting in, since I haven't gotten called. But what takes so long for a rejection letter?


jonathandavid



Nov 6, 2006, 1:34 PM

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I am in the process of applying to Brown. I visited a month or so ago. Am wondering how you posed your statement of purpose (intent) to them, in addition to your writing sample...I have read some statements that are surprisingly informal, and always assumed that I ought to keep a sort of professionalism with the review board. What tactic did you take, would you recommend?

cheers

can email at jonathandavidbennett@mac.com also


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roxanne carter

Nov 13, 2006, 3:04 AM

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wellll i know people do all sorts of different things & i suppose it wld partially depend on which emphasis yr applying for... i had someone who graduated from the mfa program at brown look at my statement before i did turn it in & she said that mine was totally different than hers had been, in respect to our experiences/interests. i think the statement at brown is just as at any mfa program, they are not really looking for a creative statement. carole maso said that they do really look at the statements to see what sort of writer you think you are and why you want to come to brown; they want people who will 'fit' into the program - whatever that means, all of the current students have wildly disparate styles, so. personally, i talked about who i wanted to study with on the faculty & in other departments at brown & why etc; i tried to frame the writing i do in a theoretical discourse & i talked about things i wld like to investigate during my time at brown... i have portions of my statement on my website in the 'about' sections linked from [1] the index & [2] the notebook index (my notebook is currently involved in a server fiasco, but it should magically reappear by tomorrow)

* anyhow, the fiasco is till in effect, but the google cache of the botebook about is here: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache%3A1OPG9GWeLE4J%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fpersephassa.com%2Fhumanflower%2F%3Fpage_id%3D463%20persephassa%20notebook%20about



# www.persephassa.com

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jonathandavid



Nov 13, 2006, 10:28 PM

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Thanks so much! Am trying to get all of my thoughts straight, and strategy on point. Hope you don't mind if I shoot you some questions in the next couple weeks (deadline is December 15th), and I will check out your website.


garani83


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A friend of mine just introduced me to this forum and I was wondering if anyone knew about playwrighting at Brown. i am applying for Playwrighting and Fiction.


garani83


Dec 9, 2006, 5:53 PM

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HI "felix",
I'm new to this forum and was wondering what you knew about the playwrighting program, If anything. I am applying for fiction and playwrighting.

Any information would be great!

-Thanks


afkasmhop


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i have written a creative statement, rather informal, but hits all the neccesary highpoints.


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Moonshade


Dec 13, 2006, 2:44 PM

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afkasmhop, IMHO, I think your statement MUST be personal and professional. It should be written with the essence of who you are and have a conversational tone. I don't think you want to be stiff and formal. Let someone else read your SOP and get their reaction to it.

Have you read Tom Kealey's MFA Creative Writing Handbook blog? http://creative-writing-mfa-handbook.blogspot.com/

How about Nov./Dec. 2005 Poet's & Writer's magazine where Author Steve Almond outlined what you should and shouldn't write in your SOP. Hope this helps.

Personally I'd rather read a riveting lifestory than a boring reguritation of why someone wants to be a writer.


harvardmfa


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When does Brown usually send out its yays and nays?


afkasmhop


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not sure when they notify. Did you apply? I sent mine today.

The waiting game is too much like watching a pot boil, a long slow process.


schambers1980


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Pretty sure it'll be mid-February through March, depending. There are some useful comments about previous years' notices on the LiveJournal community Who_Got_In.


afkasmhop


Jan 29, 2007, 8:15 PM

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Brown applicants?
What did you apply to (genre) and whatis your general feeling?


LateApplicant


Jan 29, 2007, 8:20 PM

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Fiction.

General feeling? I'd have more chances of winning the lotto...


renapoo


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I'm fiction too. My feeling is, I'm not sure if I'd be a good fit (am I "experimental" enough?), but I'll let them decide.


Arkinese


Jan 29, 2007, 9:14 PM

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Fiction...and I love how when the FAQ is "What are my chances of getting in?" they don't even say "Slim" or, more appropriately, "nonexistent." They just give you the stats: 650 to 700 applications a year, 5 fiction, 5 poetry, 3 playwrighting and 1 electronic. So about a 2 or 3% chance depending on how many of the 700 are fiction. What do you guys figure are the percentage numbers for fiction, poetry and playwrighting? 40-40-20? 40-40-15 with 5% electronic writing? Or is electronic writing really popular now?


__________



Jan 29, 2007, 11:51 PM

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I'm pretty sure they only accept one electronic writing student...

...and I'm still scratching my head over why Coover should be dawdling around w/ that when his tremendous abilities could be directed elsewhere.

Another headscratcher: I'm forever trying to puzzle out what 'experimental' means to each school, anyway. I mean, Ben Marcus and Mathew Derby went to Brown, and I love their stuff, but does that still pass for 'experimental'? Among folks who know a wee bit about the history of experimental lit?

Is there some sort of Brown checklist? Like, Hey Bob, this guys got the meta- angle covered, but his stories are pretty standard in length and the paragraphs aren't divided up and individually titled. What do you think, Bob? Experimental enough?

Hrm...


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jgarbe


Jan 31, 2007, 1:22 PM

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I applied to Electronic Fiction as well as Fiction.

My general feelings, after looking at the pedigree of past Electronic Writers at Brown (and they do only accept one a year) is that my chances of getting in are the same as winning the lottery, and then having a bolt of lightning vaporize my lotto ticket while I wave it around shrieking.

Almost exclusively the past Electronic Writers have already had a Masters in Computer Science or Design. They have also come to the program boasting design contracts with companies like Nike, or personal projects that boggle the mind of your day-to-day humble HTML writer. If anyone's interested, I can pass on the names and links that Persephassa was good enough to share with me.

The best way to think about it I feel is as a fellowship. It's one person a year; that's not a workshop!

That said, I applied to both because I wanted to effectively double my portfolio submission, and show what I'm capable of in different mediums. The fiction program, as I understand it, offers probably many and most of the same opportunities the EW gets, if one is intrepid and daring.

Good luck to everyone! I'm doing my best to forget about grad school and get on with life, so I don't torture myself to death like last year.

~Jacob


Arkinese


Jan 31, 2007, 4:50 PM

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My general feelings, after looking at the pedigree of past Electronic Writers at Brown (and they do only accept one a year) is that my chances of getting in are the same as winning the lottery, and then having a bolt of lightning vaporize my lotto ticket while I wave it around shrieking.

Almost exclusively the past Electronic Writers have already had a Masters in Computer Science or Design. They have also come to the program boasting design contracts with companies like Nike, or personal projects that boggle the mind of your day-to-day humble HTML writer.


I really liked that you not only had yourself winning the lottery but took it one step further. Optimism at its finest! That's insane about the Electronic Writers already having all those credentials under their belts. Imagine if applicants in fiction and poetry had to have those. "Oh, yes, I had three short stories published by the New Yorker just in this past year and I'm working on a four-book deal with Little, Brown...."

Why do you think they only accept one EW a year? It really doesn't seem like much of a "workshop" in that sense. I'd think that the EW would at least want some company...


jgarbe


Jan 31, 2007, 5:38 PM

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I'd be overjoyed if they decided to expand the program to include more people, but I think for whatever departmental/institutional reasons this is all they can offer. I think basically it's a fellowship in workshop's clothing, because the application pool is so competitive for just one spot that it violates the sort of operating assumptions of a workshop. My impressions are that the e-writer is a sort of celebrity fiction writer that ghosts around any of the workshops they want, with the stipulation that they must do a course with the sweet-nectared CAVE VR system, under the keen tutelage of mssr. Coover.

It's the only official program of its kind in the country, although Iowa (gasp!) has a hyperfiction magazine so I applied there as well. The Art Institute of Chicago also has Judd Morrissey (former Brown grad) and a completely cross-departmental curriculum, so opportunity knocks there as well. University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign has a hyperfiction magazine that pretty much all the faculty are involved in, and techno-keen Richard Powers as the writer-in-residence.

So basically, Brown is the only program that officially offers an electronic writing program, but I feel there are many other programs around the US "ripe" for the hungry applicant. At least I hope this is true. Because that's what I did.

~Jacob


felixqvarga


Feb 8, 2007, 10:23 PM

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Hello to all, I'm a graduate of Brown's MFA program (finished this past May). I wanted to let everyone know that a little bird told me that final decisions (in Fiction, at least) were made today. So I would imagine notifications will be sent out next week sometime. Best of luck to everyone, and if anyone has any questions about the program ask away!!

Felix


afkasmhop


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 felix... no way! that seems far too early! Can you please PLEASE ask your little birdy about poetry?
Also, you say decisions were made, but should we assume they will start notifying or do they have to go through some graduate school process (outside the department) that might cause the customary "not hear anything til march" delay.

PLEASE advise.

your kernal of info is like manna for starving artists!

thank youuuuuuuuuu!!!


renapoo


Feb 9, 2007, 12:28 AM

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Sweet! May your little bird chirp on forever!


felixqvarga


Feb 9, 2007, 1:02 AM

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Hi well I'll see what I can find out...but you might be right, it might take a couple of weeks to hear anything. not sure what the process is. But anyway, just came across that info and thought I'd pass it along.

f


LateApplicant


Feb 9, 2007, 1:34 AM

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Hey Felixqvarga,

Another question for your little bird: Do you know whether the Brown faculty or staff will be saintly enough to notify acceptees over the phone or email before the snail-mail letters get past all the administrative hurdles? I imagine that since Brown accepts such a tiny number of people, they could notify them informally, right? It'd take just a few minutes to make those phone calls or send those emails :)

How were you notified? Email? Snail mail? Phone?

THANKS !!!


felixqvarga


Feb 9, 2007, 9:20 AM

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Hi LateApplicant,

I was notified by phone, by Gale Nelson. If I recall it was sometime around mid-February. I would guess things are still done the same way, if not then you'd get an email. I highly doubt anyone would receive their first notification by snail mail. Hope this helps!

F


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Feb 9, 2007, 10:16 AM

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Hey Felix:

If you're up for answering Brown questions, I'm dying to know what kind of work was 'shopped when you were there. What does 'experimental' mean to Brown? Did the stories kind of match up with those Brown grads I've read--Derby and Marcus? Were they unbelievably weird, or just semi-so?

Enquiring minds, etc.


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afkasmhop


Feb 9, 2007, 11:04 AM

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I am fairly sure that the genres are decided by separate committees, so I wonder if they hold the repsonses back til each committe has decided? I sure would like to be a fly on the wall

=)


LateApplicant


Feb 9, 2007, 12:40 PM

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Hi F,

Thanks! It does help. Now we know that if we Brown-waiters aren't notified within the next couple of weeks... we're out. That's much better than being uncertain until April...

LA


felixqvarga


Feb 9, 2007, 12:41 PM

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hi there,
well, let's see. I suppose it depends on your definition of weird. Yes there was a writer in my year who was doing work very much in the Derby/Marcus vein, but there were also writers doing more accessible, (quasi) realist stuff. If I were you i would check out some journals like elimae.com, Conjunctions, McSweeney's, Opium, and diagram; myself and several other current or former Brown grads have published work therein and I feel like that might give you a better idea of the general aesthetic. But my experience was very much that you were encouraged to do your own thing, whatever that was. About the only kinds of work I could say probably would not be very compatible would be, like, very mainstream literary fiction, chick lit, genre fiction --that type of thing.


Pigeonlover


Feb 9, 2007, 1:15 PM

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Hey, Felix. I don't suppose you have any idea as to whether or not playwriting decisions have been made? I imagine that selection process is separate from the other genres, but I figured I'd throw the question out there!

Thanks.


felixqvarga


Feb 9, 2007, 1:46 PM

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Yes I heard today that playwriting decisions have not been made yet but it is down to a final ten and final decision should be sometime next week.


afkasmhop


Feb 11, 2007, 11:00 PM

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If you're in, you should hear soon. Seems like Brown tries to notify those who are in during the month of Feb. I get that from looking around the web at various programs. It does seem to differ a tad from year to year, but overall, acceptances seem to occur in feb// while rejections dont come out til march. I am SO hoping to hear something this week.

A valentine's day gift!?


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plumagemour


Feb 12, 2007, 1:20 PM

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ugghhhh


jgarbe


Feb 12, 2007, 1:42 PM

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I second Plumagemour's sentiment. Knowing our collective fate will be decided soon has made me schizophrenic, reading too much into everything. A missed call from Connecticut? But I don't know anyone from Connecticut! Connecticut is right next to...Rhode Island. Quick Wikipedia! Where does Robert Coover live?

This forum is bad for my equilibrium. And yet such a necessary, necessary drug. This is nothing that hasn't been said before.

~Jacob


afkasmhop


Feb 12, 2007, 2:36 PM

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I keep hearing heidi Klum in my head-- when she's on Project Runway she always says:
"either you're In, or you're OUT!" in that crazy accent.

SO, I keep thinking this. Either you're in, or you're out! I'm out I'm out I just know it so damnit brown, tell me already.

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Arkinese


Feb 12, 2007, 2:44 PM

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Either you're in, or you're out! I'm out I'm out I just know it so damnit brown, tell me already.

As the kids say: "Word." Also: When you know exactly how many students each school will accept it's like a countdown. "What? One person already got in?! In FICTION?! Arrrrrgghhhh.... One spot gone, four to go!" (Not that it's happened yet with Brown, but, hypothetically speaking.) It's like the Into the Woods song: "One midnight gone! Two midnights gone!"


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One spot gone, four to go!


Plus don't forget that not everyone who applied posts here, so that's "one spot" that we'll hear of here, but I keep thinking of all those others out there who may have heard already, without my knowing.

So really, I'm f*cked. But I had to try. :D


'sup?!


Arkinese


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Plus don't forget that not everyone who applied posts here, so that's "one spot" that we'll hear of here, but I keep thinking of all those others out there who may have heard already, without my knowing.

Oh, I know, the odds are dwindling—possibly as we speak—but since a lot of people here seem to be getting into programs, I hope at least ONE of us will hear something from many different programs so we can all gauge when the other shoe will drop!


ecphraticknolls


Feb 12, 2007, 6:53 PM

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Some of these schools are such lottery picks in terms of acceptance, that I don’t think that it is worth stressing out over. Lets just hope that something positive happens to us in this whole process… I mean, I think I’m over stressing out over a single school. I did it momentarily with Indiana… but then I found out that they didn’t even have my transcripts. And that they will be making decisions throughout the month. That, combined with the fact that I got into one of my backup schools (not officially in letter form yet, but there was some stipulation with my TA application that they wanted to clear up so they gave me the nod… but I don’t think that it is appropriate to list the school yet because of that…) kind of gave me a bit of perspective in terms of these ‘lottery’ schools. I’ll be really happy if I get into one, but I need to accept the fact that there is a very good chance that I won’t get into any of them. Just be happy to be alive and such. Maybe the safety school thing makes my comments a little unfair, but, I mean, I think anyone here can get into an MFA program SOMEWHERE. So, just be happy and try to grow as a writer.


afkasmhop


Feb 14, 2007, 12:28 PM

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Maybe I should have asked to speak to an admissions person instead of the secretary?


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LateApplicant


Feb 14, 2007, 12:40 PM

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Yes, I'm DYING to call, but if I refrain it's because a former Brown MFAer (see above, this thread) said that Brown would be calling or emailing their acceptees soon. But forchrissake, if the letters are "ready to go", why haven't they called yet? And what if they did? What if they did and nobody in this board has been accepted by Brown? OK, I'll either call Brown and as politely as I can ask them whether they've already contacted their acceptees, or gulp down 50 grams of Xanax and wake up around April... If I do the former, I'll post the results of my inquiry ASAP.


LateApplicant


Feb 14, 2007, 12:55 PM

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Well, I called the Literary Arts Program, and asked whether acceptees have been (or will be) notified over the phone. I was told "applicants will be notified by letter by mid-March." I tried to rephrase the question, hinting that I knew they might phone their acceptees, but I got the same answer, "applicants will be notified by letter by mid-March." So I guess they must be sick of people calling them. Or they're just plain sadistic. OK, I'm doing the xanax now. See you in April. Wish me a good nap.


piratelizzy


Feb 14, 2007, 1:24 PM

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Thanks for checking that out Late. Now, for frog's sake, let's all try to calm down a little and put the brakes on the collective angst. It's going to be OK. :o) Things are as they are and nothing is going to change them now. And they will be revealed to us at some point soon. Let's enjoy the wait, since we have to wait ;o) Anybody want to PM me to rattle and rant, feel free.


'sup?!


piratelizzy


Feb 14, 2007, 1:44 PM

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OK, I called the Graduate School and here is what the woman said:

"They're just starting to come out. The decisions should be mailed in the next two weeks."

So the program has just started notifying the GS of their picks, and the GS will be mailing out letters by Feb 28. Not much that's new, but it shouldn't be too long now.


'sup?!


Arkinese


Feb 14, 2007, 2:34 PM

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You guys are awesome. I will sleep better from now on!


schambers1980


Feb 14, 2007, 2:34 PM

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I may be wrong, but I really feel like we would have heard from someone on one of these obsessive internet communities if they'd already called people. Someone somewhere would have announced it. I'm betting the calls haven't been made yet; I'm betting they'll make them at the end of this week or sometime next week. Christ, I need a drink.


LateApplicant


Feb 15, 2007, 2:54 AM

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What you say makes sense to me, schambers. You're right: the word of Brown making calls would have gotten to us one way or the other. So I guess we should, as piratelizzy suggests, calm down a little bit. But it's not easy :)

On the other hand, someone above (can't remember the codename) said, "SO the question is, does lit arts call after the grad school sends letters, or have they called already and the "you will be notified by mail in march" means you're not in, but we cant tell you til we get ppl comiitted to come."

So, if schambers is right, the calls haven't been made yet. However, there's still the interesting question (raised in the above quote) about whether lit arts will call before or after the grad school sends the letters. Man, I wish it were before those letters are sent. I doubt that the Grad School would know this -- they'd have to know the particular policies of each department and program. BUT maybe some current or former Brown student might now that. Felixkvargas, are you there? Do you know whether the Lit Arts Prgm makes calls before the letters are sent by the grad school?

Anyway, I'm sorry I'm still fanning these barren flames. I guess we'll just have to stay put and suck it up... But wouldn't it be some improvement to know whether Brown will make the calls this week, as opposed to a month from now???


apelavin


Feb 15, 2007, 4:09 AM

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FWIW: Seth Abramson, who seems to be pretty good at trolling these here internets for this kind of information, has reposted last year's earliest recorded response time and method here. Last year the first person to hear from Brown (at least the first who posted that info online) got a phone call on March 6th. It seems like most programs are responding around the same time this year, so it will probably be another two to three weeks before they let anyone know.


chrisgrrd
Christoph Girard

Feb 19, 2007, 4:09 AM

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I haven't been on this board for a year. I've applied for poetry and electronic as a transfer MFA. I am positive I won't get acceptance into electronic but I'm hoping to know whether I hear Gander or Wright's voice soon for poetry. Digital media is the primary reason. I wish that more writers, whether they be some of Cooper's proteges, will introduce electronic writing to other MFA programs. I'll keep everyone updated on my acceptance or rejection notification.

"Congratulations... oops, wrong number."

Ideally, I'm only hoping to know, but I'll be sad if it doesn't work out. I looked at Brown's snowy campus on YouTube with a student building a snowman and others riding lunch trays on icy walkways. It's surreal to this Californian. :)


mrsriley72


Feb 19, 2007, 10:21 AM

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NEW ENGLAND has had a mild winter! There hasnt been any snow in providence area this year. Actually. It snowed twice. Once back in late fall, 1 inch melted by noon. And, once last week (big storm predicted) they got a cpl hours of wet sleet ,which melted by noon.
I think most Providence folks would love to be in SOCAL bc what prov does have this year is plenty of bitter bitter wind! I wonder, are there any MFA programs out on Cape Cod? They got slammed with snow this year...


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I haven't been on this board for a year. I've applied for poetry and electronic as a transfer MFA. I am positive I won't get acceptance into electronic but I'm hoping to know whether I hear Gander or Wright's voice soon for poetry. Digital media is the primary reason. I wish that more writers, whether they be some of Cooper's proteges, will introduce electronic writing to other MFA programs. I'll keep everyone updated on my acceptance or rejection notification.

"Congratulations... oops, wrong number."

Ideally, I'm only hoping to know, but I'll be sad if it doesn't work out. I looked at Brown's snowy campus on YouTube with a student building a snowman and others riding lunch trays on icy walkways. It's surreal to this Californian. :)



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roxanne carter

Feb 19, 2007, 10:32 PM

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 oh dear... well, if it helps ease yr anxiety any, i didn't receive my mfa fiction acceptance letter until march 8 (i also live (& lived) up the street from brown, so it hadn't far to travel). i got my letter before gale called me. by the time he called, i had already sent in my acceptance (i only applied to brown). carole maso told us in workshop they had chosen the next five, but she didn't elaborate and we smothered our curiosity, so i don't know annnnnyyyything. i think c.d. wright calls the poets. robert coover will be abroad for the next two years, but john cayley is coming in as new electronic writing faculty. i don't know if they have chosen their new chosen one.


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renapoo


Feb 19, 2007, 11:25 PM

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roxanne,

thanks for the info. i checked out your website; your work looks lovely. Interesting how so much of it has a strong visual element--that jives with my idea of the kind of candidates Brown is looking for. Doesn't feel like there's much hope for me, though. I'm interested in doing more visual/physical fiction, but didn't have anything like that to send to the committee this past fall. sigh.


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oh dear... well, if it helps ease yr anxiety any, i didn't receive my mfa fiction acceptance letter until march 8 (i also live (& lived) up the street from brown, so it hadn't far to travel). i got my letter before gale called me. by the time he called, i had already sent in my acceptance (i only applied to brown). carole maso told us in workshop they had chosen the next five, but she didn't elaborate and we smothered our curiosity, so i don't know annnnnyyyything. i think c.d. wright calls the poets. robert coover will be abroad for the next two years, but john cayley is coming in as new electronic writing faculty. i don't know if they have chosen their new chosen one.

when did Carole Maso say that the choice had been made?

thx!
pS: where did you get the amazing illustrative artwork for your website?


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roxanne carter

Feb 20, 2007, 12:34 AM

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when did Carole Maso say that the choice had been made?

thx!
pS: where did you get the amazing illustrative artwork for your website?


i think she said it on february 9. i am pretty sure it was the 9th because she said it during workshop, & she had just come from the meeting where they wrangle out who they want to invite in the lounge with the doors closed. anyways, it will be exciting to be in brian evenson's workshop in the fall with whoever it is who comes.

ps. i just collect things? you mean the backgrounds &c? they are cutouts and magazines & such stuff. those which are not my photographs. there are some nice people on flickr who scan images from magazines at high resolutions which are choice for making collages.


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Feb 20, 2007, 2:20 AM

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Kind of a useless question, but still... If they've picked the 5 fiction people already (more like 10 days ago), why would they wait till March to notify them? Another useless question: Had they made their decisions in Feb., too, in your year, that is, when you were notified as late as March 8?

Thanks!

LA


a2poet


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By chance, do you know if Michael S. Harper will be returning from leave in the fall?


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roxanne carter

Feb 20, 2007, 1:38 PM

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why would they wait... honestly, i have no clue. my best guess is that like any people they are really busy and preoccupied. they make their decisions and then forward their recommendations to the graduate school. the graduate school is the entity which does all the checking of transcripts and official-like stuff, which takes time like all bureaucracy. there are probably rules about all of this. they wait until the letters have been sent to call people; most people get their call before the letter comes. i'm not sure if they call the wait-listed people.

i don't know anything about michael s. harper. (i am a great help, yes?). maybe he will be back next year. no one has said anything.


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Feb 20, 2007, 2:00 PM

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Hi Roxanne (cool name now that The Police are back :))

Your post is indeed helpful. It wasn't clear to me that faculty called only after the letters were mailed. Now it is.

Thanks!


garani83


Feb 27, 2007, 3:26 AM

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what about the playwrights?


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nausea12


Feb 27, 2007, 11:27 PM

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cuts 400 people on what basis?


Lglabor


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I don't know anything about Brown but I do know how it works at another one of the top programs, one that gets about 1,000 applications. They use recent MFA graduates for first readers. This is the first step. These first readers read the manuscripts, and they decide based on this reading which applications will and will not go further. They pass along the (very few) applications that they think are worth considering, and these are then read and discussed by the faculty, who then make the final decisions about which (fewer yet) to accept. It's only at this final stage, and only if there are several more or less equally good manuscripts in the running for a spot, that they look at the statement of purpose, recommendation letters, etc.

I'm guessing it's a similar process at Brown and the other programs that get a ton of applications.


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That's exactly what a former NYU MFAer told me his job was at, and he'd find any excuse to boot a manuscript., "oops, grammatical error on the first page, goodbye!" etc. Which is why I'm afraid, I just noticed I used two titles for one peice. The cover page title was different than the manuscript title (slightly, same gist). Oh well, you live you learn.


malber


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in all honesty, it's probably really easy to cut 400 off the top. i don't know about you, but i've been in enough workshops (both online and in person) and the average participant would not have a great shot of getting into even the less competitive programs. i also teach a CW class right now (i'm in an M.A. program) and yes, they're undergrads, but i would say the vast majority of people don't have what it takes. whatever IT is.


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Someone posted an acceptance on gradcafe (via e-mail). The thing is, they put the date as 3/13/07. The way I see it, there are three possibilites: 1.) They got in and put the wrong date; 2.) They are lying, or 3.) It's someone in the department tipping everyone off as to when notifications will go out.

Good times.


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My vote, for various reasons, is that it's a lie. Brown has told callers that no official decisions will be sent out, via any method, before March 10th, and that everyone should hear by March 20th. This poster refused to put a genre down, put the enigmatic words "the secret" in the comments section of his/her post, set the acceptance date 11 days in the future, and posted the acceptance 5 days before Brown's 2006 notification point (which makes no sense in a year Brown says it's running late). I think it's BS.

S.

ON EDIT: And Brown notifies first by letter, then phone call (though on occasion they say the phone call precedes the letter by 24 hours or so). Very few schools notify acceptees by e-mail (Michigan is one).


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Is anyone else finding it utterly torturous, knowing that the decisions have been made for weeks now, possibly in the mail, and yet we still don't know, and may not know for another week?

~Jacob


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Is anyone else finding it utterly torturous, knowing that the decisions have been made for weeks now, possibly in the mail, and yet we still don't know, and may not know for another week?

~Jacob




Truly truly difficult to wait.


MarisaLS


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Hey Everyone,

I just signed on to this list and was glad to see all the helpful info from both those of you who are waiting and also those who have been or are in the program at Brown now. I applied for both fiction and poetry...and am waiting. I called them the other day and spoke to an assistnat who was very nice (I was afraid they'd bite my head off)... she said that they have not yet made "official decisions" but they will be sending out letters by the end of this upcoming week. She also said that while they have in the past called acceptees, this year they have not decided whether or not they will, but that "letters will be mailed out by the end of the week." I guess that means we will hear by the following week the latest. I know chances are slim but I so much want to get into the lit arts dept....


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Hi, I just have another question for the folks who are currently studying in the program (accepted in previous years): is there a particular class size? Also, do you find that most of your classmates are of a certain age or is there a range? Like are most just out of college or are most in their 30s, 40s, etc.? Just curious... also, how much funding do you get the first year? Is it enough to live off of or do you need to get a part-time job in order to pay rent, bills, etc? Sorry if these are too many questions. I should probalby not jump the gun anyway given that there is only a 2% chance of getting in... but.... I'm so excited every time i hear more about the program that i just want to hear more. Thanks for listening and answering if you can...


felixqvarga


Mar 10, 2007, 4:48 PM

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Hi Marisa,

I graduated from the program (fiction) in May. Let me see if I can answer your questions.

You take three workshops, and the last semester do your thesis. The way the workshops go is that first semester, firsst and second year students are together, so there are ten people, maybe one or two more if someone from a different genre wants to take the workshop as well (you can take whatever graduate workshop you want whatever your genre --playwrights can take fiction, fiction writers poetry etc). Second semester you are with only the students from your year, so five people (again, they might allow one more person to sit in. My second-semester workshop had six people). Third semester there are again ten people, this time you are with the incoming first-year students.

Funding probably changes a bit every year but for my group it was $8500 stipend first year, $17,000 stipend second year, because you are teaching. Everyone gets to teach a beginning class and an intermediate class the scond year, not necessarily in that order (i.e. you might teach intermediate fiction your first semester, and beginning fiction you second. Or poetry, as the case may be).
Of course you pay no tuition, and get great health insurance as well.
I got by second year okay, but took out additional loans to support myself the first year. People do work, and you could probably get by okay as you're only required to take one class per semester in addition to your workshop. But I was there to write and did not want to work, I wanted to be fully immersed in the program.

As far as age range goes...there definitely are people anywhere from early twenties to late thirties, and there have been a couple of students in their forties. I started at 35 and finished at 37. I was one of the older students there, most are probably mid to late twenties.

Hope this helps and best of luck!!!


MarisaLS


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Thanks so much for the info... I'm 33 and so was wondering, as I didn't want to really be in classes with folks who are just coming straight from undergrad...I like how you said there is a mix. I am looking for a good program but also a good environment to meet people my age. I do have an MFA in film from another school and have been teaching comp and scraping to get by for the past five years, and have wanted to go back to school for a second MFA, this time in poetry or fiction. I know my chances are slim, but I can't help but hope. The $8500 is a little low for me... I mean with rent, how do you eat? but perhaps I should not even think of it until I get an acceptance or rejection. If i manage to get accepted, I could possibly teach part-time someplace to get a little extra pocket money, I guess. I am still paying off loans from my first MFA which I got almost nine years ago now and still have 10K left... it's a little daunting to think about taking out more loans. But again, I shouldn't cross that path til I come to it, right? right!

Anyway, thanks so much for your thoughts. If you had to do it over again, would you at Brown? Do you feel as though it has helped you in getting published and/or job-wise?

Marisa


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Hi Felix (again:)), Hi Marisa,

Your questions and answers are really helpful. I thought Brown fully supported its students (that's what it says at the website) both years. $ 8,500 the first year? How can anyone do it without loans or work? That's a real concern... The second year (around $ 17,000) sounds much better, though.

Next month I'll be 34, so it's nice to hear that there are people my age trying to get (and actually getting) an MFA at good places.

(Sigh) Anyway, as Marisa said, let's not worry about funding and other issues until we're there...


MarisaLS


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Hi Felix (again:)), Hi Marisa,

Your questions and answers are really helpful. I thought Brown fully supported its students (that's what it says at the website) both years. $ 8,500 the first year? How can anyone do it without loans or work? That's a real concern... The second year (around $ 17,000) sounds much better, though.

Next month I'll be 34, so it's nice to hear that there are people my age trying to get (and actually getting) an MFA at good places.

(Sigh) Anyway, as Marisa said, let's not worry about funding and other issues until we're there...


It's great to hear from another applicant!! Yeah, I feel the same, the $17.000 sounds more like it! And yeah, I guess we have to just wait and see before worrying about it. Hope we both get in (which program did you apply to?)...fingers crossed (and my cat has her paws crossed right now!)..

Marisa


mrsriley72


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I was told by a person in the program that you are not allowed to hold down a job while there, or else you lose your stipend. So people have to take out loans. Whether its true or no, I cannot be sure-- but that is what I was told. But, of course, many people would willingly pay for their MFA degree!



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I was told by a person in the program that you are not allowed to hold down a job while there, or else you lose your stipend. So people have to take out loans. Whether its true or no, I cannot be sure-- but that is what I was told. But, of course, many people would willingly pay for their MFA degree!



Thanks for this info. I actually did correspond with one of the program directors back in the fall who said the first year isn't enough funding to live off of so that i would have time to take on a part-time job. Maybe what you heard is re. the second year? In any case, I really shouldn't even be considering any of these details until i hear. I wish i were in a better financial position where i could apply to programs that are not funded well because that would up my chances of getting in someplace, but I am a teacher and therefore have limited income... and already a great deal in loans from my first MFA that i'm paying back each month. So money is definitely a concern. But everyone on this board has been quite helpful. Ggiven the 2% acceptance rate, I really oought to not think of any of this as the chances are slim for me anyway...


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roxanne carter

Mar 12, 2007, 3:22 PM

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they increased the stipend, first year is more like 9500. it is enough to live on, but you need a roommate or a really inexpensive rent. i live with my boyfriend, who is also a graduate student at brown (making TWICE as much as me, but we split the rent and utilities fairly equally) & we get by okay - we kinda shiver through the winter in our 55 degree apartment with space heaters next to our desks; we don't own a car; we rarely eat out or go to movies - there are plenty of free films showing at brown, or discounted nights at local theatres. i'm 28, like felix said, most people are mid-20's to 30's, i know some people have been in their 40's. a few people are married/have children, so you don't see them around much. a few people came straight from undergrad, but not many - 2 or 3 out of all 28 of us. you are not supposed to work, but it is okay by their rules to work for brown - some people work for the writing center. some people do what they say yr not supposed to do, have jobs - freelancing, working at bookstores, bakeries, whatever. i make some money because i run a small (very small) press & i get paypal and bookshop payments once in awhile. i was an amicorps VISTA before i came to brown, so i am used to having no money. it is fine. what brown pays me is more than what i made as a VISTA. some people do take out loans but i would never do that, i hate owing money. i don't want a job either, it is great to sit home and read/write/make books, and not have to go anywhere except class (on thursday and friday this semester, because both of my classes are with carole & she's only here then).


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Mar 13, 2007, 4:24 AM

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Marisa,

I applied for fiction. Did you apply for both poetry and fiction? Good to hear we might be same-age classmates !!! Given the rather low first-year pay, we should consider sharing a place -- I'm a quiet, almost-34-year old male whose most outrageous fits of household nuisance are playing some classical music, or classic rock at most :)

(I know, I know, we shouldn't count our chicken before they hatch... It's a long shot, I know, given the 2 % acceptance rate :)).

Persephassa,

Wow, it's good to hear that one can get by with only $ 9,500 the first year ! (With roommates, sure!). I thought there was no escaping loans... But if, frugally, one can make it without loans, then I'd consider it -- because I just can't afford to owe money (I'm an international student -- even if I wanted to (which I don't), loans would be beyond my reach). But I'm currently a grad student, so I'm used to being poor :)


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did you see the post on the mfablog comments area? Today, the 13th, was the day. Calls were to start today and continue throughout the week.



LateApplicant


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Oh no--oh yes. No, I didn't see that. Well, I guess in a few days we should know whether we're in or not... Thanks for letting me know. (My more pessimistic side tells me we're out, though. How many people does Brown take? Five? And they won't make 5 calls in a day? Oh, but on the other hand, Cornell takes the same number of people and they took like a week to notify all of them, so, let's keep our fingers crossed...)


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Marisa,

I applied for fiction. Did you apply for both poetry and fiction? Good to hear we might be same-age classmates !!! Given the rather low first-year pay, we should consider sharing a place -- I'm a quiet, almost-34-year old male whose most outrageous fits of household nuisance are playing some classical music, or classic rock at most :)

(I know, I know, we shouldn't count our chicken before they hatch... It's a long shot, I know, given the 2 % acceptance rate :)).

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Hi there. I've been too busy to be online as I'm waiting by my cell for it to ring to see if it's Brown ;) so sorry for the delay. Yes, I did apply for both fiction and poetry programs. I've heard nothing. I am trying to keep my hopes up by thinking that my last name begins with a letter at the end of the alphabet, so that maybe they will wait until Friday to call me.

I don't know what to believe on the blogs anymore -- we are all getting info and then nobody hears a thing. It's so frustrating, right? So we heard from some that they were going to start calls on the 13th and go through Friday and if we don't hear by Friday that means we're getting a rejection letter. But I had called once and they told me that they did not know if they were going to call at all, so who knows. I try to not feel disappointment until I hear the rejection...til then, we can consider ourselves accepted. Right? Right!

At least we're all in this boat together at this point. That helps. I guess sooner or later we'll hear of someone who's heard... unless all those people aren't online.


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Yes, I did apply for both fiction and poetry programs.





Did you apply to both in the same schools? This is my dilemma too---which to choose.


MarisaLS


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Yes, I did apply for both fiction and poetry programs.


Did you apply to both in the same schools? This is my dilemma too---which to choose.

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Yes, I applied to fiction and poetry, which both reside in the literary arts program. I didn't apply to any other schools than Brown, as I didn't have the money for more application fees, have to stay in the Providence area for personal reasons, and Brown said "fully funded." Did you also apply to both at Brown? If so, have you heard anything?


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Wilma Weant Dague

Mar 14, 2007, 9:32 PM

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No, I didn't apply this year. i thought I had to saty in Kansas and now I'm trying to widen my net. My hubby needs a change of venue too, so we'll apply together.

I just hadn't thought of applying to both field at the same school. Not a bad strategy.
Good Luck! Hope you hear soon.


lili99


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um. so i just got an email telling me that i'm one of five people on the wait list (fiction). totally in shock. so far, i've gotten a bunch of rejections and just one other wait list notification (columbia). this certainly eases the pain of no acceptances.

brown people, does anyone ever get in off the waitlist? i suppose not. but i want it so bad! so, so bad!

for the first time i'm feeling motivated to try again next year!

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jessfj


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Lili, I just heard I was one of four on the poetry wait list... Something tells me (something like, "Who turns down an acceptance to Brown?!") there isn't much chance of our getting in, but even so, it feels like good news...


jgarbe


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At this point I'm pretty fatalistic, so I went ahead and just called Brown. The secretary was really nice this time, actually. She said that they'd started calling (which is obvious by now, but I hadn't read the recent messages) and the calls would continue until Monday. In her words: "so if you haven't been called by Monday...then you'll know."

Good luck everyone...

~Jacob


MarisaLS


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At this point I'm pretty fatalistic, so I went ahead and just called Brown. The secretary was really nice this time, actually. She said that they'd started calling (which is obvious by now, but I hadn't read the recent messages) and the calls would continue until Monday. In her words: "so if you haven't been called by Monday...then you'll know."

Good luck everyone...

~Jacob


Jacob,

Your post gives me a little hope. But I just went through an hour of despair. I am at the office -- I teach -- and had to shut my door. I just can't think about staying in this job one more year, and I could only afford to apply to one school and I have to stay in the RI area, and so I applied to Brown for fiction and poetry and then I saw on the blogs that all these people were called and people got waitlisted emails and the only call I got was from a "friend" who ditched me at a conference last week. So I felt/feel a great deal of despair... I know chances are slim. But somehow I just wanted to start a new life, you konw? And figures, the Ides of March. Why do they start calling on the damn Ides of March? How about some kindness? Ok, so the calls are for accepted people, so that is a good thing, but I really think i am just going ot get two letters of rejection in the mail. :(

Perhaps I will become a famous writer someday and I won't give my thanks to Brown.

Ok, i must not be bitter. I'm just really disappointed. This is my second time applying to go back to grad school (i already have an mfa in a different area but teach comp and can't do it anymore and just want time to work on my work) and second time i've been rejected.

Anyway, i do want to say congrats to those of you who have heard. You are lucky ducks. Congrats, and celebrate.

Marisa


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does anyone know when the rejection letters are supposed to go out? according the brown website, all the lucky winners have been notified already. well, when do i find out (officially) i'm not wanted there??? i may call soon. this is the last school i am waiting to hear from.


mrsriley72


Mar 22, 2007, 3:40 PM

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Beats me. I havent got a letter yet.


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does anyone know when the rejection letters are supposed to go out? according the brown website, all the lucky winners have been notified already. well, when do i find out (officially) i'm not wanted there??? i may call soon. this is the last school i am waiting to hear from.



Cookies4brkfst


Mar 22, 2007, 4:24 PM

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does anyone know when the rejection letters are supposed to go out? according the brown website, all the lucky winners have been notified already. well, when do i find out (officially) i'm not wanted there??? i may call soon. this is the last school i am waiting to hear from.



Go to Brown's main page, mouse over the Admissions--Graduate tab. That and the MFA page explain it: if you haven't heard, you're rejected. Like me!


tenderloner
Geary'n Hyde

Mar 22, 2007, 10:41 PM

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Well Cookies, I'm still proud to be in your company. Six months from now, I hope we're reasonably funded and enjoying Cal Arts.


aiyamei


Aug 17, 2007, 7:44 AM

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Can anyone here tell me what the Brown literary arts program requires in terms of application materials? I feel like I'm missing something, but on their website all I can seem to find is the length of the written text sample and that you DON'T need to take the GREs (hooray!). But I can't seem to find actual application materials that spell everything out.
I guess I'm most concerned about letters of recommendation -- how many, etc. and also whether there's an application form I can download.
Thanks!


piratelizzy


Aug 17, 2007, 7:50 PM

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aiyamei,

Go here http://www.brown.edu/...rogram_admission.htm for a list of Brown's MFA program application requirements.

Go here http://gradschool.brown.edu/go/generalinfo for the Brown Grad School's application requirements, and to download the forms.

Good luck.


'sup?!


aiyamei


Aug 21, 2007, 4:39 PM

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I have been reading a lot of the magazines and ezines where Brown fiction people seem to be publishing and I've noticed that the work by Brown students is a) often short little fictionlettes and b) even if longer, not particularly narrative-driven, but rather something closer to exquisite prose poetry.

I'm wondering whether anyone at Brown, or anyone who is more familiar with Brown graduates' work, could tell me whether this would still be a good school for me to apply to even if my fiction is experimental only in the types of stories it seeks to tell (and it is that), but not in its format, form, or departure from story-telling as such.


aluminum


Dec 16, 2007, 12:09 PM

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hey everyone!

just wondering who out there applied. the deadline was yesterday (as it was for a few other schools, i believe). i literally sent my brown application in at 1:59pm december 15th. hopefully the admission committee will know nothing about that...

who else applied to brown this year?
how do you feel about your application?


DMiller


Dec 16, 2007, 1:41 PM

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I wouldn't worry about it. I sent mine in at 8 pm last night. If anything, I rationalized it by thinking, Hey, they'll see I spent as much time on it as possible...

But nah, they won't care.

As for my writing sample, I felt really good about my first two stories, which I wrote organically and outside of the application.
The other one, I'm not as sure about. It was more in the vein of, I wonder what experimental writing is? I wonder if this is it...


(This post was edited by DMiller on Dec 16, 2007, 2:41 PM)


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Dec 16, 2007, 2:28 PM

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aiyamei:

Not sure if you're aware, but Ben Marcus and Mathew Derby are probably the most notable semi-recent Brown grads. Marcus's debut, Age of Wire and String, is pretty much as you describe; extremely short, prose-poemy oddities that (supposedly) offer a larger view of some imagined society. Notable American Women (Marcus's second) and Derby's Super Flat Times are just shy of traditional narratives, and are remarkably similar in tone and content. You might check these out to see how they match up with your own.

(I still think the whole 'experimental' moniker is pretty much bullshit, though. It's not an experiment when it fits snugly into a tradition...)


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Zachary Ash

Dec 16, 2007, 3:37 PM

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I submitted my Brown application on Thursday, I think, and it was the first one I did. I meant to include two stories, but managed to upload only one. I was leary of hitting the DELETE button and trying again, for fear I'd end up sending nothing. Technology scares me. Oh, well. It was my best story, so I don't feel too bad.

With regards to experimental prose, I'm intrigued by it but don't really write it. But I think my writing would improve if I were exposed to radically new perspectives and styles. Also, I really like writers who are mildly experimental, such as Paul Auster, Steven Milhauser, Angela Carter. Most likely, though, I'm not hip enough for Brown. At least I tried.
Zash


Yugao


Dec 16, 2007, 8:27 PM

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I included only one story as well, and it is a relatively traditional one, so maybe I am already out of luck. I had a second-story that was (fairly recently) heavily criticized in my workshop groups for being too decorative and not very narrative-driven, and I chickened out on sending it. I had tried very hard to refine it, and ended up deciding it might hurt my chances, though now I wonder if Brown might have liked it. It's not a great story by any means, but it got a personal turn-down by the editor of Zoetrope in an earlier stage, and well, he had obviously read the whole thing, which surprised the heck out of me. Anyway, this whole debacle is my own fault for spending too much time on the first draft of the novel I've been working on, instead of focusing on two ultra-polished stories above all else, since I knew I wasn't going to go the novel excerpt route.

I am such a wimp sometimes. I think I'm in the "at least I tried" category as well.


aluminum


Dec 16, 2007, 10:48 PM

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seems everyone went with either one story, or at the most, two.

i sent four. i was sick of trying to decide so i sent two short pieces and two twelve pagers. the longer ones are traditional, the shorter ones are hard to define. but overall, i don't think i'm hip enough for brown, either.

on a side note, i probably deleted and reloaded my writing sample a million times. it took forever to get the page breaks the way i wanted them!


navybuttons


Dec 19, 2007, 9:51 PM

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got it in on time (barely) with UCI's. one 21 page story and one 4 page one. brown is my first choice and i wake up stressing about it. but i'm applying to 11 schools so hopefully i get 1. good luck to everyone else who applied.


februarystar27


Jan 28, 2008, 4:35 PM

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Looks like I found this thread a bit late, since it's been over a month since the last reply. But this is my first post here since I just discovered this site earlier this afternoon. I applied for playwriting and sent my application in the first week of December. I had one due for UCLA on December 1, so I sent in Brown's right afterward since all my materials were ready. Does anyone know anything about their playwriting program and whether it is also considered "experimental" like the fiction and poetry seems to be? I know they only accept three people, so I'm honestly not expecting anything, but the wait is still driving me crazy just the same. Has anyone else applied for playwriting?


jeleri


Jan 29, 2008, 11:43 AM

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In response to your question about Brown: I am not applying for playwriting, (applied at Brown for fiction) but I was a theatre major in undergrad, and I've been working as an actor and producer for a few years. I worked with someone who was friends with Paula Vogel, and also have a friend who studied with her. She's supposed to be amazing as a teacher/mentor. Her work is somewhat experimental (quirky, strange characters), but it's not Richard Foreman experimental (whistling, banging, disembodied words and shouts). Hope that helps. Good luck!!!


jcorcora


Jan 29, 2008, 11:55 AM

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Hello,
I went to Brown for undergrad and studied fiction and playwriting. There is certainly an experimental bent to the creative writing program, but I think you'll find that all of the professors have deep training in and an appreciation for traditional narratives. That is to say, many (not all) of the professors have an interest in pushing the boundaries of traditional works, not breaking them. They have a large enough department that there is someone for everyone, so to speak.

Also, I just read in the NY Times that Paula Vogel is leaving Brown and heading to ?Yale? (you'll have to google that).


februarystar27


Jan 29, 2008, 12:09 PM

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Yes, this is helpful... thanks! I was an English/Theater double major for undergrad, and one of my theater professors knows Paula Vogel and has spoken very highly of her as well. The year after I graduated, our student-run theater group did The Baltimore Waltz as their fall show, and I went back to see it and really liked it. I think my style/interests are along the same lines... not so much traditional naturalism, somewhat quirky, but not total out-there craziness. But I'm also applying to the Yale School of Drama's playwriting program, and I just went to submit my application this weekend and read that Paula Vogel is actually going to be teaching there next year. So now I don't know who will be at Brown. But I still really like how playwriting at Brown is part of a creative writing program with close ties to a theater program--nearly all the places I've applied are solely part of theater programs, but I like the idea of being surrounded by both a community of writers and a theatrical community and being able to take advantage of both. It sounds like a really good program, but I'm not allowing myself to dream about it at all because it's so selective. Even posting on this message board was scary for me because I felt like publicly mentioning my applications was too overconfident.


jeleri


Jan 29, 2008, 2:17 PM

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Oops, didn't know that about Paula. I love message boards. They keep me up to date!

I'm kind of looking for the same thing that you are, februarystar. Even though I want to study fiction, I can't say I am entirely ready to give up collaborative art-making. I want playwrights around. And performers. That being said, did you apply to Brooklyn? My friend studies Dramaturgy there, loves it, and has told me that the playwrights are "happy as clams." Mac Wellman definitely has an avant garde bend, but from what I understand the students there are doing all sorts of work. He is supposed to be a wonderful teacher. It's not quite as fancy-pants prestige wise, but the program design fits, it's VERY inexpensive with some funding available, and it's not too late. Feb 1 is the deadline. I'm probably not supposed to mention this in the Brown thread. But I am a little curious if anyone else is applying to both of these programs...


februarystar27


Jan 29, 2008, 4:17 PM

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No, I unfortunately didn't apply to Brooklyn (Brown, Yale, Carnegie Mellon, UCLA, and BU ...the only two of those not part of a school of theater are Brown and BU). My fiance is also applying right now to PhD programs in chemistry, and we tried (somewhat unsuccessfully) to apply to schools in similar regions, and we tried to avoid NYC because we were afraid it would be way too expensive to live there. But if Brooklyn is affordable and offers aid/funding, it could balance out the cost of living in New York a bit. I'd love to apply for this year since there's still a few days left, but between my five programs, my fiance's five programs, GREs for both of us (BU wants them), and rent in Boston, money is tight these days. However, it's great to know that Brooklyn is an affordable option. Considering that there's a 97% chance that I'll be reapplying in a few months after all my rejections roll in, I'll need to find some alternate schools to look into for next year. I will add them to my list.

And to tie this back into Brown so that I don't go completely off the topic of this thread, I also would like to have different types of writers around in addition to the actors/directors/designers of theater programs. In college I focused on poetry for the creative writing emphasis I added to my English major, so I'd love to have poets (and fiction writers!) around. The play I submitted as the bulk of my writing sample was very poetic (which could very well end up working against me and gives me little panic attacks every day). I also forgot in my first reply to say good luck on your application! I'm sure I will be back here in about a month and a half congratulating you on your acceptance. I have no idea how I am going to manage waiting that long.


jeleri


Jan 30, 2008, 1:14 PM

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That's a nice list. I don't know when the rest of your schools notify their accepted students, but for the past couple of years, anyway, Brown has notified in mid to late March. There are a couple of blogspots you can go to that show when letters/calls/e-mails went out last year and the year before. One of them is the suburban ecstasies. Looking at these time frames has helped me not be as crazed, because I know I won't hear anything from any of my schools until late Feb. But then again, here I am doing the rounds on all of these message boards and blogs...so...I guess I am still a little crazed. I hope we are both doing some congratulating this spring, and I'm going to congratulate you now on your engagement! Looks like you have an interesting year ahead no matter what happens. All the best -


candygirl


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Read on Seths blog:
"Brown sent email acceptances to 5 (according to the email) people on 2/19."
Is it true? If anyone can comment on this?


monarca


Feb 23, 2008, 12:48 PM

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I hope not! That would be a whole month earlier than last year. Plus, Seth hasn't updated the list as of now (2/23, morning) to reflect that.

I would LOVE to go to Brown.


bunnytutu


Feb 23, 2008, 1:18 PM

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monarca


Feb 23, 2008, 1:21 PM

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That's confusing. Was the e-mail an acceptance? Or was it something like, "Hey, we think we are probably going to accept you. We'll call you. We're pretty sure." Or maybe to ask for more material or...?

Either way, congrats are in order. You heard something! Awesome!


candygirl


Feb 23, 2008, 1:23 PM

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Oh, thanks a lot for sharing the news about e-mail! And also congrats!


jeleri


Feb 23, 2008, 1:40 PM

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So...this was a poetry acceptance? (Big Congrats to you either way! I am just a nervous fiction applicant...)


candygirl


Feb 23, 2008, 1:47 PM

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My understanding is that Brown did notify EVERYONE who had any chances of acceptance, but notification was unofficial. I would like to be mistaken, but not with my luck. Anyway - congrats to those who got notification. You guys rock!


jeleri


Feb 23, 2008, 2:08 PM

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The person who announced their e-mail (acceptance?) from Brown on Seth's blog said that Brown had e-mailed "5 people." I know Brown accepts 5 per genre, (except for in electronic writing), so I was assuming this was a genre specific notification. Do you have an inside scoop on something different, candygirl? Please share! If it's time to give up hope I'll give up hope, I just want to know for sure. I second that "you guys rock!"


candygirl


Feb 23, 2008, 2:12 PM

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No, please dont worry, I dont have any inside scoop. You are not out until you have the rejection letter. Ok? I am upset and tell myself that "damn, I didnt get in", because I want to get used to this thought and not get too desperate when I receive actual rejection letter. Its my own way of dealing with the things. Not that I want you to follow my example:)


anneshirley


Feb 24, 2008, 2:06 PM

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I also received an e-mail from forrest gander last tuesday and we are supposed to speak on the phone this week. I am hoping this means I'm in, but I am waiting until I speak with him to say for certain. !!!! so nervous.


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Adam

Feb 24, 2008, 2:14 PM

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What genre did you apply for...and what did the email say?

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I also received an e-mail from forrest gander last tuesday and we are supposed to speak on the phone this week. I am hoping this means I'm in, but I am waiting until I speak with him to say for certain. !!!! so nervous.



bunnytutu


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jeleri


Feb 24, 2008, 7:26 PM

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OK, Bunnytutu and Anneshirley, I hear you that you are nervous, I'm sure you are excited, I would be too. I am happy for you in a genuine way. Many of us are, I am sure. It's a huge amazing deal getting into a school like Brown, or at least being singled out by them. But will you PLEASE tell us what genre you are? Are all five of you the same genre? Maybe you don't want to divulge the contents of the e-mail to protect Brown's privacy - or your own. That's totally fine. Honorable. But you did tell us that the e-mail happened, which kind of defeats the purpose, no? Now there are dozens? hundreds? of us with clumped up towels in our hands which are starting to cramp!!! Do we throw them in, these towels? Or maybe some of us should still have hope...? Whatever answer you can give would be appreciated, even if it's to tell us why no one who has gotten this e-mail from Brown has answered any questions. Thanks.


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Feb 24, 2008, 7:35 PM

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If it's Forrest Gander on the horn, he's calling for poetry. Or a date.

Either way, you fictionistas are safe.


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anneshirley


Feb 24, 2008, 9:57 PM

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yes, for poetry. the e-mail said that they're interested in my work and they want to talk.


jeleri


Feb 24, 2008, 9:59 PM

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That's what I figured too, but this waiting has made me question everything!! Thanks for the post though. It helped.


sicofelephants



Feb 24, 2008, 10:31 PM

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If you go to Brown would you rub a piece of paper all over Carole Maso and then mail it to me?

That could be a bit much to ask given that you're in poetry and Carole Maso is a fiction professor. It would be nice, though. I'm a poetry applicant myself, but I adore her writing.


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roxanne carter

Feb 26, 2008, 1:38 AM

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i know they have decided the fiction list, tho i doubt anybody will get emails. i think the poets tend to be notified earlier; forest & c.d. call people, but i got my fiction acceptance (a year.5 ago, & carole is my thesis adviser now) in the mail before i got a phone call. good luck! i am also anxiously awaiting some notification (from a phd program, now).


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Adam

Feb 26, 2008, 8:11 AM

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Thanks for the info!!


monarca


Feb 26, 2008, 9:04 AM

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Thanks!
It's scary to know they've made the decisions, but definitely helpful information! I'll be watching my mailbox even more anxiously (as if that's possible), now.


sicofelephants



Feb 26, 2008, 11:59 AM

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Carole Maso is your adviser? HOT. I ... jesus...wow. Is she as badass as AVA and The Art Lover make her sound?


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roxanne carter

Feb 26, 2008, 2:23 PM

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undeniably.


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SaraBellum


Mar 12, 2008, 5:00 PM

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Just a note...Brown updated their website today.


"All admissions decisions will be mailed by Friday, March 14, 2008."


I don't even know why I'm checking their website....but of course, I am.


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Adam

Mar 12, 2008, 5:12 PM

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Thanks for the update!


monarca


Mar 13, 2008, 9:11 AM

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Hey, that's tomorrow! Yikes!

Next week is going to be it for me. UVA will notify then, too and I'm just waiting on my Brown and UVA apologies before I can really and finally move on.

Unless there's a miracle. Come on, Brown. I love you, won't you love me, too?


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Adam

Mar 13, 2008, 9:14 AM

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Yeah, me too. I should be hearing apologies from Sarah Lawrence, Brown, and UVA... all next week. GAH! Then I'll just be waiting on Bowling Green, which hasn't made a peep.


anon.novelist


Mar 13, 2008, 9:19 AM

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It's the fact that the letters will all be mailed "by Friday" rather than "on Friday" that will still have me checking the mailbox twenty times today. Every time a car drives by, I run to the window and peer out the miniblinds, like a dog waiting for his owner to return.


kengland1


Mar 13, 2008, 10:41 AM

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So where do things stand on what Brown fiction candidates have actually heard? I've seen the news reporting calls, but the post(s) didn't come from someone who has actually received one. Has anyone said or heard anything more?


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Adam

Mar 13, 2008, 10:48 AM

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The Brown literary arts homepage has updated. It indicates...

"All admissions decisions will be mailed by Friday, March 14, 2008."

So...more waiting.


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Adam

Mar 13, 2008, 1:49 PM

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An anon on Godfrey's blog wrote they were accepted to Brown on 3/12 without any other information! Ahhh!!!


achtung00


Mar 14, 2008, 7:02 PM

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Waitlisted today - does anyone ever get off of it??


candygirl


Mar 14, 2008, 7:19 PM

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Are you poetry or fiction, playwriting?
Congrats! Brown - its huge! I am sure you got chances since those admitted people could get into other big programs and decide to choose Iowa over Brown (Cornell, etc.) Plus Providence is expensive. Not everyone is ready to move there for 10k first year stipend... So, dont give up!
Can I ask you in which state do you live? Just trying to figure out when to expect a letter from them....


bunnytutu


Mar 14, 2008, 7:58 PM

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i'd also like to know if they contacted you before they put you on the wait-list. congratulations are still in order. hurray!


achtung00


Mar 14, 2008, 8:02 PM

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Thanks so much!

No advance contact at all. I was walking home like a character in a rainy French movie lamenting my rejections, saw the skinny letter through the door, decided to read it for kicks and discovered it wasn't a rejection after all! I felt like I'd been nominated for an Oscar, or something. Hoping to call someone (who?) on Monday.

By the way, I live in Brooklyn.



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i'd also like to know if they contacted you before they put you on the wait-list. congratulations are still in order. hurray!



liamolly


Mar 15, 2008, 11:53 AM

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I'm in Boston so I guess it arrived quick.


bunnytutu


Mar 15, 2008, 4:45 PM

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Woooooooooohoooooooooooo!
brown acceptance.
poetry!
right now--3/15!
good luck to all!
unbelievable.


Yugao


Mar 15, 2008, 4:56 PM

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Congratulations, bunnytutu!


BLUECHEESE


Mar 15, 2008, 5:04 PM

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Wow, congrats!


bunnytutu


Mar 15, 2008, 5:07 PM

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Thank you thank you thank you thank you!


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roxanne carter

Mar 15, 2008, 5:17 PM

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that's so great! congrats!


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eek311


Mar 15, 2008, 8:23 PM

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How did they let you know, if you don't mind me asking? was it mail or phone?


bunnytutu


Mar 15, 2008, 9:47 PM

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How did they let you know, if you don't mind me asking? was it mail or phone?


mail. but actually, to be fair, there was kind of an ordeal involved. they e-mailed me, then called me, and then told me i had to wait because they could not ensure an acceptance. but then the letter came and that is how i was officially noticed. phew.


Zash
Zachary Ash

Mar 15, 2008, 10:00 PM

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congratulations!


bunnytutu


Mar 15, 2008, 10:07 PM

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thank you!


anneshirley


Mar 16, 2008, 4:46 PM

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I just got notified by e-mail that I'm in at Brown for poetry too! I am so so excited!


bunnytutu


Mar 16, 2008, 4:47 PM

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EXCELLENT! I'm sending you a pm.


achtung00


Mar 17, 2008, 11:22 AM

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Congratulations! I hope you have an amazing time.


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Woooooooooohoooooooooooo!
brown acceptance.
poetry!
right now--3/15!
good luck to all!
unbelievable.



bunnytutu


Mar 17, 2008, 1:15 PM

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thank you achtung00! i hope things work out for you too. i would not give completely up on the idea of getting into brown. whoever said it is right, the stipend amount does not realistically cover living expenses and so might not be ideal for some. good luck!

editing issue:
oh and sorry about the "noticed" instead of "notified" on my previous post. it still makes some sort of sense though :)


monarca


Mar 17, 2008, 2:12 PM

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Did everyone reporting acceptances from Brown have contact with them prior to the actual acceptance? I'm just trying to see if that rumor that all Brown acceptances had been contacted earlier is true or not.

Anyone in for fiction? I think I'm gonna count myself out, at this point, but I thought I'd check anyways.


Zash
Zachary Ash

Mar 17, 2008, 5:12 PM

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Rejection letter today. Fiction. Another one bites the dust ...


kakalep


Mar 20, 2008, 4:15 PM

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I too have been waitlisted for Brown poetry. Getting in would be my dream--it's my second round of apps. Has any that has been waitlisted been able to ask what number they are? I'm not sure if they release this info or not. Sent in the best waitlist letter I could, but not even sure these count for much.


Vesuvia


Mar 20, 2008, 5:05 PM

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kakalep - was this the first you'd heard from Brown? And did your waitlist notice come by mail? Congrats, by the way!


persephassa
roxanne carter

Mar 20, 2008, 7:58 PM

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the first year is hard, but not impossible to live on the stipend.
i didn't work at all, but i live with someone so we share expenses.
if you have roommates and no car, i think you'd be fine. there is affordable
housing in providence, you just have to look...
the second year, the stipend increases - you get about 350 more each paycheck.
so that's much better.


# www.persephassa.com


kakalep


Mar 20, 2008, 8:34 PM

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It came by mail. It was dated March 6, but mailed March 13 and I got it just Monday because it went to my old address and had to be forwarded. Thanks for the congratuations--keeping my fingers crossed.


Raysen


Aug 14, 2008, 2:16 PM

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I don't get this whole "experimental" thing. Maybe I'm just an old fart who grew up with (and loved) traditional stories written by the likes of John Cheever and, well, 90% of the writers out there. When I think of experimental, I think of Amy Hempel. I'm one of the few people who don't quite "get" Hempel's work.

That should tell you something about what I consider "experimental." LOL!


Raysen


Dec 15, 2008, 7:24 PM

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Today was Brown's application deadline. I hope everyone got theirs out on time. I submitted one experimental short story and one conventional -- just to show my diversity and also to show off my mastery of the craft. Hee hee.


SaundraN


Dec 15, 2008, 8:29 PM

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I made the deadline for Brown - poetry. It's my first choice.

Good luck to you.


germericanqt


Dec 23, 2008, 3:15 PM

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I applied too! It's just one out of thirteen applications, but it's one of my top choices. Good luck, everyone.


Katevey


Dec 28, 2008, 8:57 PM

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"What the h--- I was talking about Brown:" a reply to an e-mail I received.
"Z.B.:" It is not a snob thing. Anyone on this board, regardless the need for grants & aid, is an 'Ester Jack' (Thomas Wolfe, "You Can't Go Home Again,") seeing the 10,000 before you, ignoring the 100,000 behind you if you don't realize you were given as much more as the old money people than at least 60-75% of the people in this country, and just as unthinking (assumed airs) about it. Do you really think you could be where you are looking into the MFA process if you'd graduated from an inner city public school? I was not putting anyone down, sorry if you took my notes about Brown that way. Almost all of us are WASP or WASC, and it shows.
There is a great creative advantage to going to an "old" school where there is a modicum of acceptance just because you got in, although it may seem like you're not accepted at all. The University of Iowa may be #1 yet they still have that extreme air of competition in all their schools, it's just part of the UIa atmosphere. The way education and schools are now creates a form of historicity in writing about historical times and education. To answer one of your comments in the archaic: we must comport ourselves with decorum. The "royal we" is a convention of speech, not a snobism. For Brown, you need to know the social difference between a polite come-uppance and a put down.
Please re-read my notes about Brown: I truly wanted to go to Brown, their dead-line was too early for me and realistically, I can't afford it even if I was full funded there, there are many other things to consider.
Now, regardless any answers or e-mails, I only have time for the threads of the places I did apply. "Shuckers."


Raysen


Dec 29, 2008, 7:00 PM

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What the heck?! I didn't understand any part of Katevey's last post. Sorry.


(This post was edited by Raysen on Dec 29, 2008, 7:01 PM)


NickMcRae
Nick McRae


Dec 29, 2008, 7:31 PM

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Right there with you, Raysen.

NM


"You got a song, man, sing it. / You got a bell, man, ring it." - Robert Creeley

Nick McRae
nmcrae1@gmail.com
http://nickmcrae.com/


grimson
Justin Bryant

Dec 29, 2008, 9:16 PM

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Thirded.


insertbrackets


Dec 29, 2008, 10:08 PM

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Ahem...


What?


Fourthed.


Who told you I was a racist? Was it...a minority?
-T-Rex, qwantz.com Dinosaur Comics


__________



Dec 29, 2008, 10:27 PM

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Guys, I think the key lies buried within two deleted posts...if you click on her user name, it lists 21. But wait! Click on 'view posts' and you'll only see 19.

Where are the other two?

WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO?

If Kate gave them the ax, they'd still show up as 'post deleted by...'. An administrator must've nixed 'em. I'm guessing what remains is a very lopsided response to a post that was also deleted.

I kind of like it, though. It gave me weird dreams -- about screaming Thomas Wolfes, and angry, multiple Iowas.

Katevey, can we get like the Spark Notes to this?


six five four three two one 0 ->

(This post was edited by Junior Maas on Dec 29, 2008, 10:30 PM)


Mae Fields



Dec 29, 2008, 10:55 PM

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"Do you really think you could be where you are looking into the MFA process if you'd
graduated from an inner city public school? "

Yes.



NickMcRae
Nick McRae


Dec 30, 2008, 12:05 PM

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I'd like to think so, too.

Public school kiddies represent!

NM


"You got a song, man, sing it. / You got a bell, man, ring it." - Robert Creeley

Nick McRae
nmcrae1@gmail.com
http://nickmcrae.com/


JarvisHTR


Jan 15, 2009, 4:28 PM

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Unless he's graduated already:

http://www.brooklynrail.org/2008/02/fiction/the-searchers

About the Author:

Set in early 2001 Austin, Texas, The Searchers traces the thoughts of four characters as their identities unravel in the twilight of 90?s irony. The Searchers is also a kind of experiment in internet empiricism?the characters being constituted through the famous web search algorithm?s association of ideas. The work isn?t collage. It?s more of a collaboration between the author, an indexing robot, and millions of exhibitionists. Another chapter is excerpted on Wordriot.org. The novel is currently seeking a publisher. Nick Bredie lives in Providence, RI where he is an MFA candidate at Brown University.


v1ctorya


Jan 16, 2009, 11:00 AM

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I'd like to think so, too.

Public school kiddies represent!

NM



Representing! My Highschool ranked 79th out of 79 schools in the district. I still went to a damn good university.


achtung00


Jan 23, 2009, 2:45 PM

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Did everyone receive an e-mail from Brown saying "we are reviewing applications and will soon prepare decision letters?"

I keep clinging on to hope wherever I can find it, but assume it's a stock letter. :-p


germericanqt


Jan 23, 2009, 3:12 PM

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Yeah, it's actually a stock letter from the Graduate School at Brown. Not the Graduate Department for Creative Writing, the entire Graduate School. Every single applicant for an MA, MFA, Ph.D of any kind got that e-mail.


fixittuesday



Jan 23, 2009, 4:36 PM

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I got it too. My heart absolutley jumped when I saw the subject line! But I think its a courtesy...Darn! Soon though, right?!


germericanqt


Jan 23, 2009, 4:38 PM

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Probably not. They usually start notifying mid-February at the earliest.


nine


Feb 14, 2009, 6:35 PM

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missed a call from 401 (Providence). no message. anyone else? it could be the program or the grad school or it could also be nothing, maybe a telemarketer, but i've never gotten a call from 401 ever before. would the school call and not leave a message? if i don't hear anything by tuesday would it be a bad idea to call them and ask if someone was trying to contact me?


(This post was edited by spoons on Feb 14, 2009, 6:43 PM)


germericanqt


Feb 14, 2009, 7:11 PM

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Re: bad idea, I don't know, but you can always google the number to see exactly who was calling you. Are you fiction or poetry?


bighark


Feb 14, 2009, 7:12 PM

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This is AWP weekend, and the conference is still going on. It's not very likely that the 401 call was from Brown.


adadadad


Feb 23, 2009, 8:06 PM

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No one's heard from Brown yet? No one's got that mysterious call?


bunnytutu


Feb 24, 2009, 4:50 PM

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calls, at this point, are probably not likely. there's still about three weeks to go based on last year. also, each genre is different here at brown (and like most programs). ALTHOUGH, i just remembered speaking to someone who knows of a fiction candidate who has already been notified. if you're a poet you'll most likely be notified by e-mail first. but who knows? the waiting sucks, i remember! hang in there.


PJwave1


Feb 24, 2009, 4:55 PM

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bunnytutu,

do you know if Brian Evenson makes the final decisions for each potential admit?


bunnytutu


Feb 24, 2009, 5:14 PM

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you know i don't know for sure but i would guess that he does. he's kind of the representative fiction faculty member on campus right now (coover is around but i don't think he does this type of stuff). as an added bonus evenson would be delightful to speak to on the phone, if accepted. i'm crossing my fingers for all (more precisely the few) you future brownies.


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calls, at this point, are probably not likely. there's still about three weeks to go based on last year. also, each genre is different here at brown (and like most programs). ALTHOUGH, i just remembered speaking to someone who knows of a fiction candidate who has already been notified. if you're a poet you'll most likely be notified by e-mail first. but who knows? the waiting sucks, i remember! hang in there.






*Dies a little inside*


PJwave1


Feb 24, 2009, 7:47 PM

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thank you for the insight.

i'm quite pissed that I missed a reading he gave here in Boston last week. I would have loved to hear the man talk about his work. It's funny, but I work with a former BYU faculty member (public health, not writing) and have been dying to ask him what he thinks about Altmann's Tongue.

I'm salivating from the idea of studying under the man for a couple years.

Pardon the imposition, but put in a good word for me. HA! Just kidding, of course. But seriously, yes, please do.

All kidding aside, how does the funding hold up in terms of living expenses in Providence? The disparity in rent between Boston and Providence is astounding, but I wonder how feasible it is to do the MFA without a job.


bunnytutu


Feb 24, 2009, 8:45 PM

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so the money is pretty great. living expenses are really not all that bad although finding a place that includes heating is a must! i work on the weekends at a dinky job, but that happens to be somewhat by choice. no one else seems to work. having a roommate, like anywhere else, is going to make things all the better. the whole reason, and you will be reminded of this if you do get in, for the money is so you have TIME to WRITE.

i'll do what i can pjwave1 :)

and germericanqt, hang in there. i doubt all five have been notified.


PJwave1


Feb 25, 2009, 11:57 AM

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had a dream last night that i received an acceptance letter! woo hoo! then after closely revisiting each line of the letter, i discovered that it was a mistake and it was meant to go to someone else. talk about fleeting ecstasy.

i also had a dream a while back that my fiance and I had tea with Evenson and Joyce Carol Oates in a beautiful room in a building I have never visited.

damn the subconscious mind. most often a blessing for us creative folks, but in times like these, a horrid beast!


swiviol


Feb 26, 2009, 12:24 PM

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Wow ... really? Someone's already been notified?

:( :( :(

I thought I had at least until March to hear from Brown, and also BU, whose deadline is 3/1.


bonethugzz


Mar 3, 2009, 10:53 AM

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C'mon! Someone must have some firsthand story of acceptance! Quit holdin' out on us! Is there a gag order or something? You don't have a responsibility to the school in this matter. You have a responsibility to us, THE PEOPLE!


bunnytutu


Mar 5, 2009, 8:38 PM

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i know most of ya are all worried about the Iowa (btw they still rock some old school office stuff there. admissions is the one that changes isis and NOT the poor ol' gals in the WW office) but Brown has made their decisions and they are awaiting approval from the Graduate School (they have the final say).


germericanqt


Mar 5, 2009, 8:42 PM

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Have they already called all of their top picks, then?


lavventura


Mar 5, 2009, 8:56 PM

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That's exciting, bunny! Thanks for sharing. How do you know this?


PJwave1


Mar 5, 2009, 8:56 PM

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Oh, no! I've waited for this day to come for three months. Now that I lost my hopes of starting a program in the fall, I don't want to hear the inevitable news.

Hey, the odds are better than winning the lottery, right? That's what I keep telling myself.


swiviol


Mar 5, 2009, 10:00 PM

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Bunny, where are you getting your info from?

And Brown only accepts about 5 people for fiction, right?


bunnytutu


Mar 6, 2009, 12:40 AM

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my info? well, i'm here! a first year poet. and i just happened to ask in order to maybe be a bit helpful. and yes, 5 only in each genre (fiction and poetry) and then 1 electronic writer and 2 or so in playwriting. good luck!

oh and about iowa? went there as an undergrad and some grad classes too. (and no snarking please. it's actually pretty unusual for an iowa affiliate to get into this program)


(This post was edited by bunnytutu on Mar 6, 2009, 12:48 AM)


Khalilah


Mar 6, 2009, 12:56 AM

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So should we expect that calls will go out from Brown starting this weekend?


bunnytutu


Mar 6, 2009, 11:40 AM

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good question but i doubt it. most likely this time they are awaiting the approval of the grad school before making contact. that may take a week. so soon (though if you're waiting a week is not soon enough).

i just asked to make sure. things are busy in the office so who knows
if i'll hear back today.


bunnytutu


Mar 6, 2009, 12:38 PM

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just got my answer. notifications should go out in a "couple" of weeks.


JarvisHTR


Mar 6, 2009, 3:22 PM

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Just got my e-mail rejection from the fiction program. Blah... only good thing about Providence are its kebabs


adadadad


Mar 6, 2009, 4:38 PM

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I suppose the big question(s) for those of us (in poetry) is: Has the program contacted the people whose work they were interested in? Can we count ourselves out of the running if we haven't received an email from Forrest Gander?


lynnhs


Mar 6, 2009, 5:01 PM

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but seriously, are they sending these emails out over hours?? doesnt that just seem cruel? what does it mean if i didnt get the email?


JarvisHTR


Mar 6, 2009, 5:08 PM

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Could be alphabetical, like some poor cleric is feeding each file into the computer. My last name begins with an 'M,' and I got mine at 1.53pm. Could also be that they are culling off the first round of 'no's, but from what Bunnytutu has said, the decisions have all been made.


swiviol


Mar 6, 2009, 5:32 PM

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I don't think it's alphabetical - I'm "P" and I got mine at 1:52pm. I bet it's just a batch email they sent out.


Raysen


Mar 6, 2009, 6:15 PM

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I'm not upset about Brown. I just wanted to test the Brown waters to see if my "experimental" fiction is the kind of experimental fiction they're looking for.

It's not.

I'm over it. Just like I'm over Candace Adderley's rejection of my offer to take her to my high school senior prom. And I'm over my second choice Vickie Netherby also turning me down. I'm completely over it.


(This post was edited by Raysen on Mar 6, 2009, 6:15 PM)


JarvisHTR


Mar 7, 2009, 3:38 AM

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Or is your clock is slow?


achtung00


Mar 7, 2009, 10:40 AM

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What does it mean if you didn't get the e-mail? Does anyone know? I'm about to move to China in five days and would kind of at least like to stop holding my breath.


swiviol


Mar 7, 2009, 11:43 AM

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I don't know, a few people on TSE said that they haven't received one either. I would think it either means you are waitlisted/accepted or perhaps they are doing the emails in batches? That's pretty mean if they're doing them in batches though. :(


jthummel


Mar 9, 2009, 10:30 AM

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  How many people (in fiction) did not get a rejection from Brown? I'm anxious to know if it's a sign I might have a chance, or just a cruel coincidence.


lynnhs


Mar 9, 2009, 11:39 AM

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You're the third including myself I've seen. Going quickly mad.


achtung00


Mar 9, 2009, 11:59 AM

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Seriously. I dare someone to call them!


kakalep


Mar 9, 2009, 1:28 PM

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I'm also curious about poetry folks. Has anyone received a poetry rejection email or just fiction? Denied in 07. Waitlisted in 08. As you can imagine, this wait is a little hard:)


ashirley


Mar 9, 2009, 2:39 PM

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Just thought I'd post this automated e-mail reply I received today. Thought it might be of use!

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Thank you for writing. If you are an applicant to Brown's MFA program, we expect Brown's acceptance and wait list letters to be sent out by the third week in March. Many but not all of the applicants who do not fall into the two categories noted above have received notification via electronic mail. If you have not heard from Brown yet, please be patient. We do not release decision information in response to phone or electronic queries.

If you have heard from Brown that you have not been accepted, please note that we received in excess of 700 applications for 14 slots. The odds are, alas, very long for the many qualified candidates who've applied.

I review messages Monday through Friday, and typically reply soon after seeing the message. If you do not hear back from me within a business day, please write again, either to prompt me, or in case your message went astray.

all best,

Gale Nelson


kakalep


Mar 9, 2009, 2:46 PM

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Well, that certainly leaves things wide open--I just need to breath and realize it's just barely the second week in March. Last year I didn't get my waitlist letter until the first week of April. Thanks.


kakalep


Mar 13, 2009, 3:54 PM

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Oh my god. I just got a call. I got in. Let this be proof of the fact that it takes a whole lot of patience getting in to the right mfa program, but it will pay off, no matter how many tries (even more than 3!) it takes. I am in my office and shaking with excitement, unable to talk about it.


adadadad


Mar 13, 2009, 6:05 PM

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Oh, man, congratulations. I still haven't heard a word from Brown. Oh, well. Congrats!


felixqvarga


Mar 14, 2009, 3:15 PM

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Congrats, kakalep! I graduated from brown's MFA program (fiction) in '06. Shoot me a PM if you have any questions.


achtung00


Mar 15, 2009, 5:42 AM

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Congratulations kakalep!

I'm actually in your situation: denied first, then waitlisted last year. I still haven't heard anything, and am assuming the worst, so I'm pretty heartbroken. :(


jthummel


Mar 16, 2009, 7:36 PM

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How many people are still waiting for an answer? Did they call all the fiction people on Friday as well? I am starting to lose my mind...


adadadad


Mar 16, 2009, 8:46 PM

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I am also waiting on Brown. I called them today. I was told that acceptance calls were made on Friday and waitlist letters were sent then, as well. This may only be true for poetry. I'm really not certain.


bunnytutu


Mar 17, 2009, 7:48 PM

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congratulations! let me know if you want to ask me anything about the program.

fingers crossed for all of you who haven't heard.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 12:02 PM

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Application season's in full swing. Who's applying to Brown for the fall 2010 term?


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


WanderingTree


Nov 12, 2009, 1:09 PM

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I am for fiction.


morganapple


Nov 12, 2009, 3:18 PM

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I'm applying for poetry. started the online app but nervous to click submit.


nine


Nov 12, 2009, 3:37 PM

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applying for poetry.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 3:43 PM

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Ditto, poetry. Will be e-submitting tonight, the Internet gods willing.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 8:18 PM

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Doneand now the waiting game begins.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


BLUECHEESE


Nov 12, 2009, 9:02 PM

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You had me worried. It isn't due until the 15th of dec.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 9:15 PM

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Yeah, true, and it's one of the earlier ones. Most have deadlines around 1/1 or 1/15, and my latest one is 3/1. I sleep better knowing I've gotten everything done well ahead of time, though, so I'm angling to have everything submitted, sent, paid, &c for all my schools by the end of the first week in December.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


BLUECHEESE


Nov 12, 2009, 9:18 PM

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Yeah, I'll have all of mine done by then, too, actually. I do want to tweak my statements of purpose quite a bit for each school, so that may cut into my time a bit... but yeah, I feel you on the getting them done early thing.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 9:33 PM

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Definitely a good idea to customize each SoP to each schoolit takes a fair amount of extra time, but I figure if we as applicants don't take the time to learn about the programs, why should the programs take time to evaluate our manuscripts/SoPs and learn about us?


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


BLUECHEESE


Nov 12, 2009, 10:00 PM

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I'd have a hard time NOT doing it, honestly.

I have very real reasons why I'm applying to all of the schools I picked.

I do wonder about name dropping. Is it okay? I don't think I'd do it at a place like Brown. The faculty are too famous.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 10:08 PM

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Again, agreedI'd have a hard time not doing it as well. As for name-dropping, sorry, I should have been more clearI meant any proper nouns (e.g. names of publications, programs, cities, and so on). It would sound pretty bad if I were to tell Brown I'd love to work for Epoch, or Cornell that I'd love to investigate the Providence poetry scene. I think it's probably poor form to name-drop, especially with faculty at extremely well-regarded/selective programs. And even if I absolutely had my heart set on studying with, say, C.D. Wright (and I'm not saying I don't), I think it just sounds kind of pretentious (and it almost certainly is never meant that way) to go on about a faculty member or his/her work in an SoP. Who knows if that person will even be the one reading your application?


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


BLUECHEESE


Nov 12, 2009, 10:29 PM

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Yeah, don't want to mix up information between applications.

I wonder about smaller programs. I mean, if I'm applying to a smaller program because of the faculty, would it not make sense to mention them. I mean, say I was applying to Boise State (I cut this program off my list, but it is a wonderful program)... would it be a bad idea to mention the poetry faculty even if it is 2/3 of them... Martin Corless-Smith and Janet Holmes wrote some damned amazing books... shouldn't I mention that I've read them someway or another? (I'm not applying here, but using it as an example... but they actually have written some F-ing amazing books... like I wouldn't be surprised if they move up to better mfa programs down the road.)

It is not like its Iowa or Brown or UMass.

Just thinking out loud, really.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Nov 12, 2009, 10:38 PM

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I suppose if the faculty is small and far and away your primary draw, it makes sense to mention them by name, but I'd just double-check that no one's going to be changing programs or going on sabbatical during your potential tenure there. (Those sorts of things seem to happen fairly frequently.)


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


danceanielle
Dani

Nov 14, 2009, 11:03 AM

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Applying for poetry! They just approved my app. fee waiver, with a nice email to boot. Very friendly.
Good luck to all!


vaquero


Nov 29, 2009, 10:40 PM

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I'm definitely applying in fiction, and thinking about applying in poetry too, though I'm wary of applying in multiple genres.


vaquero


Dec 3, 2009, 2:07 PM

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The Brown website lists its suggested writing sample length as 30-40 pages. This is different from many programs which list it as "under 40" or "under 30". My writing sample is 25 pages. Should I consider making it longer for Brown?


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Dec 3, 2009, 4:20 PM

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I increased the size of my application portfolio in order to meet Brown's length requirement, but I feel like that's easier to do with poetry than fiction. My theory has always been to give them what they ask for.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


bighark


Dec 3, 2009, 4:58 PM

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Adding more to fiction almost always makes it weaker. Adding five pages to a 25 page sample is like writing an entirely new story.

Look at it this way: "Reunion" by John Cheever is about 1,100 words. In manuscript format (double spaced, 12 point Times Roman), that's four full pages, top-to-bottom, of text.

Can you write "Reunion" by December 15th?

My advice is to send your 25 pages. If you're still nervous, talk to the department directly to see if your application will be discounted without the extra five pages. My instinct is it won't.

Anyway, page count is a rather nebulous unit of measure. You may have 25 pages in Times, but switch to Courier (a perfectly acceptable manuscript font) and you get 32.

Good luck.


ericweinstein
Eric Weinstein


Dec 3, 2009, 7:14 PM

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Yeah, I certainly wouldn't recommend adding five pages to a 25-page story. I was thinking more along the lines of submitting a 10-page and a 20-page story instead of a single 25-page story. Then again, if you're absolutely sure that those 25 pages are your strongest work, I'd take bighark's advice. (Except maybe regarding the font businesspersonally, I've always found Courier a little hard on the eyes.)


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


redpanel


Dec 3, 2009, 11:41 PM

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i am fiction.


Godot Eyelashes


Dec 4, 2009, 12:30 AM

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Fiction it is.


vaquero


Dec 4, 2009, 3:59 PM

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My writing sample is one 18-page story and one 7-page story and I'll probably just submit it as-is. What I was considering adding was a short novel excerpt or the first half of a novella.


WanderingTree


Jan 3, 2010, 12:34 PM

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Anyone know if the FAFSA is required for Brown? I figured that all funded programs don't really require it unless you want to be eligible for loans (which I'm not taking), federal grants or work study positions. The language on the Literary Arts website makes me pause though. Any thoughts esp. from current/former students?


persephassa
roxanne carter

Jan 5, 2010, 10:34 PM

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former student.

no fafsa. they do WANT you to fill it out, i think because of some tax thing whereby the school may receive compensation from the government or something, but i never did it and never heard anything until someone from a mysterious office sent me an email in march of the year i graduated... so yeah. and i didn't fill it out then and i graduated so i guess it didn't matter. not doing it didn't result in a penalty or anything; i still received my stipend and all that. i'm in a phd program now where i am funded and they do want me to fill out the fafsa but i don't do it cause i don't want to borrow money and i hate filling out forms for no good reason. my advice is: don't bother.


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bbroker


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hey there, does anyone have any info on Brown thus far this year? In committee? The number of applications? (The numbers on TSE come from the website, so...) Anything to keep us tided over?


bunnytutu


Feb 5, 2010, 12:53 PM

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Just heard yesterday from a faculty member that 20% of all applications received by the grad school at Brown were for the Literary Arts Program. He said between 800 - 900 applications...


cecilpeoples


Feb 5, 2010, 3:52 PM

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is there an application status website for brown?


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is there an application status website for brown?


Not that I know of. I don't believe there was one when I applied.

(To clarify, it was 800-900 applications just for Literary Art.)

Good Luck! And I feel for all of you. Especially you Brown hopefuls who laughed when you applied, and chuckled to yourself when you pressed that final "apply" button thinking there is no chance in hell you're gonna get in. Those of you who went, like I did, "There goes money I didn't have to a school that has plenty" when you paid the application fee. Hugs to you. I know the feeling.


bbroker


Feb 5, 2010, 7:46 PM

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hi bunnytutu,

did you get any sense of where they are in the application process? also, do are all potential applicants or it is it just for poetry?

sorry to pump you for info but I am very interested in being prepared for the process, whatever the choices made are!

thanks!


bunnytutu


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hi bunnytutu,

did you get any sense of where they are in the application process? also, do are all potential applicants or it is it just for poetry?

sorry to pump you for info but I am very interested in being prepared for the process, whatever the choices made are!

thanks!


Hi bb,
That number includes all applicants to the program with, I believe, the larger amount being in poetry. I haven't asked about "where in the process" they are. I DO know my initial email was late February. There seems to be a lot of energy in the program right now revolving around getting things done (multiple faculty members are returning from a semester long break) Hopefully that will also run over into choosing the applicants!
Fingers crossed.
-bt


bbroker


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thanks so much for the info! it is greatly appreciated!


Toaster


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Good information, thanks for this! Brown is among my dream schools, which all seemed clustered around the earliest deadlines. It's stressful knowing I could get my first rejection before I've even finished all my applications.


WanderingTree


Feb 6, 2010, 6:50 PM

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That's interesting that the higher number is in poetry. It seems like the opposite is usually true for many programs. I wonder how many people applied for playwriting and electronic writing.


bunnytutu


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That's interesting that the higher number is in poetry. It seems like the opposite is usually true for many programs. I wonder how many people applied for playwriting and electronic writing.


Yeah. I know. It does seem strange but that's what I was told. The electronic writing gets by far the least amount of applicants even though many of the people applying in other genres would be perfectly fine to apply to it as well. I have NO clue about playwriting.


bbroker


Feb 9, 2010, 6:39 AM

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hey bt,

just had another quick questions-- do all potential candidates do phone interviews in all genres? there's a lot of info from past years that I can't make head or tails of, so I thought I'd ask you!

thanks again for all the help!


bunnytutu


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hey bt,

just had another quick questions-- do all potential candidates do phone interviews in all genres? there's a lot of info from past years that I can't make head or tails of, so I thought I'd ask you!

thanks again for all the help!


The only phone interviews I've ever heard of were for my incoming class in poetry. It seemed the program was very interested in if we were geared towards creating some sort of community within the program. I have NO clue if they will be doing that this year. The person who conducted those interviews, Forrest Gander, is here this semester where as he was on leave last spring. One thing to know about the program, or the school even, is at Brown they never do the same thing twice--things are always done differently.


bunnytutu


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Hey peeps, C.D. Wright said today that she is still in the process of reading applications...


morganapple


Feb 10, 2010, 6:53 PM

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ahhh thanks for the update bunnytutu!! Tell C.D. I love her... Can we assume we won't be hearing anything until March?


bbroker


Feb 10, 2010, 7:11 PM

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bt,

I'm guessing that C.D. does poetry apps? Any word on fiction?

thanks again soooo much


bunnytutu


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i've got no idea about fiction. C.D. does do poetry and they sometimes split the apps between her, Forrest Gander, and Keith Waldrop. Not sure if they did that this year but there is NO WAY she is reading them all herself. The information I've gotten has been just kind of offered. I haven't really asked, but I'll see if maybe I can find out about fiction.

I adore C.D. too.


bunnytutu


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guess what? word 'round here is things are in the final stages.


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morganapple


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AHHHH! Thanks so much for keeping us updated, bunnytutu. On the off-chance that I get admitted out of 600+ poetry applicants, don't be surprised if I grill you for info on yr experience in the program. :)

So anxious to hear...


bbroker


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did they really have 600+ applicants in poetry???


bunnytutu


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no. i don't think it was 600. there were something between 850 - 950 (950 was the number i heard last) total for the Literary Arts with poetry being the larger group. would guestimate closer to 500.

yes. and feel free to pm me about the program anybody.
it has been totally exhausting but exhilarating.

this is my final semester BUT the kids you'll be pared with for next year
are fantastic.


orthetiger


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Seth has listed on TSE that the number of applications this year was 762...? He got that number somewhere and I like it better than 950... :)


umass76


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Given historical trends, 950, I'm afraid, is a much more realistic number for Brown than the 762 that came from a different source.

That said, there is a 0% chance -- there is absolutely no chance whatsoever -- that Brown had more poetry applications this year than fiction applications. To repeat: zero chance. Particularly when the numbers being bandied about here (500 to 600 poetry applications) would give Brown more poetry applications than the Iowa Writers' Workshop, which not only ranks well higher than Brown in poetry but also gets twice as many total applications annually.

Repeat: zero chance. By way of illustration: in the 2008 TSE polling Brown had 200% more fiction applications than poetry applications, putting it not only perfectly in line with but indeed making it a national exemplar for the standing nationwide "2:1 principle" of fiction and poetry applications (sometimes called the 6:3:2 principle, when nonfiction applications are included).

If Brown even had 400 poetry applications it would be a minor miracle. And if Brown had more poetry applications than fiction applications it would mean that the sun was about to crash into the Earth. Seriously. Every historical trend from every MFA program in the country screams at the top of its lungs that that supposition is a non-starter -- an impossibility.

Other than that, I have no strong views on the matter.

S.


(This post was edited by umass76 on Feb 17, 2010, 10:32 PM)


umass76


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PS I didn't intend that post as a slight to the OP; I appreciate him/her providing updated numbers for total applications, and if I'm not mistaken s/he said only that they "believed" there were more poetry apps than fictions apps, not that they were claiming it (or could/would claim it) as fact. And I can say that it is not a fact, so I hope the OP will go back to their source and get the breakdown for apps so I can put it on TSE (though if the source says more poetry than fiction apps, honestly I'm going to be asking for a phone number to confirm -- I literally couldn't put that on TSE without straight confirmation from the program).


bunnytutu


Feb 18, 2010, 9:04 PM

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ouch! i was told by john cayley that we get more poetry applications than fiction. i'm just trying to help out those applying. the overall graduate applications were up 24%

http://today.brown.edu/articles/2010/01/grad-admissions

I have no interest in assisting or providing services to the tse.

your numbers were wrong. mine still sound MORE right.

peace.


bunnytutu


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and i must also say i said "guestimate" and chose to say something smaller than what was assumed.

my sources are the faculty. that is the people who are exhausted and red-eyed from reading the things. cd wright is not going to be like...i read 172 applications last night. the numbers are the numbers and most people round up or down in a conversation.

the one thing for absolutely sure: decisions have been made.

[the sun thing is totally ridiculous by the way.]

of course i would not be surprised to find out brown received more poetry applications than iowa. our faculty is awesome. the program is awesome. also keith waldrop just won the national book award AND he looks like a wizard.


umass76


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BT,

I'm not sure how or why you took anything I said as some kind of slight against Brown. It wasn't. I applied to Brown in 2007 and didn't get in; it was my first choice. So obviously I don't mean to slag off on Brown, I would have gone there over Iowa. In my personal view it's the best poetry program in the United States, bar none. That said -- and this is a question of data, not preference -- Brown will get more poetry applications than Iowa when Saddam Hussein is making snow angels in Hell.

I appreciate you trying to "help out those applying" -- my aim is precisely the same thing, which makes your own subsequent comment ("I have no interest in assisting or providing services to the TSE [sic]") somewhat defensive, and perhaps more a product of that defensiveness than any sense that your aim and mine are different. Because they are not.

I get e-mails from MFA directors and faculty members all the time updating their data with TSE. Why? Because they, like you, like me, and like everyone reading this wants data out there that is accurate. I appreciate that Brown is willing to provide confidential admissions data to their students (and we must assume it's confidential if Brown refuses, as it does, to release the full data online), so that their students will be in a position to spread that data to others; what you need to understand is that if the second-hand data Brown puts out flies in the face of four years of research of hundreds of programs, a lot of people (not just me) are going to discount it. At which point either Brown can step up and put the data on their website -- which they could do any second of the day if they wanted -- or else run the risk that confusion reigns regarding their program. For make no mistake: If Brown comes out and announces it is the only MFA program in the United States conclusively known to receive more poetry applications than fiction applications, a) its fiction program will take a significant hit (because such deviation from hundreds of other data-points might suggest to some there is something wrong with the fiction faculty or genre at Brown), and b) it will also be effectively announcing that its poetry-genre applications represent the longest odds in America, and by a lot. Given that applicants these days are spending $2,000+ (in some instances) on applications, having poets feel that their odds in applying to Brown are lower (by far) than their odds in applying to any other program in the U.S. might lead to some applicants not to apply who would have otherwise. Every year we now hear from people who applied to nearly every top program but Texas -- citing its ridiculously long odds as making it a poor cost-benefit option in choosing which 10-15 programs to apply to (and Texas offers much more money, and for a longer period of time, than Brown or anywhere else).

It's odd that Brown told you the exact percentage by which applications increased this year, how many applications total were received, which genre received the most applications, and even put you in contact with (or allowed you to be in contact with) a Digital Writing faculty member with respect to this apparently lockboxed admissions data, but would not, after all that, reveal to you how many poetry applications were received. Mind you, I'm not saying you're making anything up, and I've no interest in arguing with you -- you have some kind of pride thing at stake here, I've nothing at stake except wanting to get accurate into out to the 20,000 people who read TSE every week (who you have "no interest in assisting" despite your posts here) -- but I'm saying that John telling you "we get more poetry applications than fiction" doesn't cut the mustard for even the sort of non-professional researcher I am.

And FWIW, I would love to know on what basis you could possibly make a determination about whether your numbers "sound" right. As far as I can tell the sum total of your background in MFA research and MFA statistics is a single conversation in the doorway of the office of a Visiting Professor at Brown. With all due respect.

S.


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PS: On 2/5 you expressed doubt about whether poetry got more apps than fiction at Brown ("I believe..."); on 2/6 you said you were certain ("I was told..."); on 2/11 you made it sound like you heard casually ("The information I've gotten has just been kind of offered..."); on 2/17 you stated the more-poetry-apps-in-2010 thing as a fact ("poetry [is] the larger group"); on 2/18 you pulled back and said, effectively, that the comment made to you pertained to historical trends ("I was was told by John Cayley that we get more poetry applications than fiction"). I do apologize if it seems like I'm jumping on you -- I do this (gather data on MFA programs) fairly seriously, and have done for some time, and I know better than anyone how many people are relying on this data. So if I'm incisive about it it's not because (as this has not historically been the case) I think anyone's trying to put out false information intentionally. I've said that several times, above. It's that sometimes well-intentioned people who aren't privvy to the actual data pass on hearsay that turns out to be wrong. This sounds like bad data, and so I'm pushing on it. Probably I'm pushing too hard, but then again, when you point out that Waldrop looks like a wizard (I'm a poet, you don't need to educate me about Keith's work or the man) it further makes me question whether being a Brown booster or trying to get data to applicants is your motive engine. If your primary aim was to "assist applicants" I'm not at all sure where the hostility toward TSE could possibly have come from -- it's this research that, as much as anything, has led to (because the TSE rankings were published) increases in applications of the sort you described at Brown (other highly-ranked [in P&W] programs have reported increases between 33% and 300% over 2009 figures).


umass76


Feb 18, 2010, 11:16 PM

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Looks like I made the right call to question your data -- anyone who simply writes "you're an ass" in a P&W message must be a) a joy in workshop, b) working out some issues. I mention this here (on the public board) so that no one will take as gospel the claim Brown had more poetry apps than fiction apps this year. It didn't, whether or not Keith Waldrop looks like a wizard. --S.


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Luke Johnson


Feb 19, 2010, 8:22 AM

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Not to detract from anyone's argument. But I think we can all agree Waldrop looks like a Wizard (that is, assuming the Lord of the Rings triology has taught me anything about what wizards look like):

http://writing.upenn.edu/.../1109/waldrops_2.jpg


http://www.lukejohnsonpoetry.com


bunnytutu


Feb 19, 2010, 12:14 PM

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dear peeps, please pm me if you'd like anymore info about the program. i've realized this was a lack of foresight on my side because i probably shouldn't be talking about what people tell me in confidence.
i'm not into this being attacked for trying to be helpful.
i'm not into numbers either.

good luck to you umass76.

some of us have some writing to do...

Wizard!


cecilpeoples


Feb 19, 2010, 12:37 PM

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umass is seth abramson. he makes a living by collecting data for MFA programs. he wrote the article that appeared in P&W last month. he's very knowledgeable on the topic.


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Ray O

Feb 19, 2010, 1:11 PM

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With respect to the argument between umass and bunnyhutu, I think they're both right.


umass76


Feb 19, 2010, 1:30 PM

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CP,

Half-right. :-)

I make 8K/year working as a Project Assistant for the University of Wisconsin-Madison. My total annual earnings for all things MFA-related (consulting, freelance journalism, independent contracting as an author, donations, and [de minimis] online advertising) is around 4K. So I'm afraid I can't claim to make a living from MFA research (and to be clear, I collect data about MFA programs, not for them, I'm 100% a freelancer) -- it's a side project but one I do take very seriously. I know it means a lot to a lot of people.

And yes, sometimes (often) I take it too seriously. But it's been a steep hill to climb to get this data to applicants -- there are a lot of people with a vested interest in none of this data being made public.

Best,
S.


(This post was edited by umass76 on Feb 19, 2010, 1:31 PM)


bunnytutu


Feb 19, 2010, 2:53 PM

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here's my final entry. just spoke to a director of the program. people should not expect to be notified of final decisions until the middle of march (the graduate school has to approve all decisions made by the program).

please don't call the office here unless you really feel its justified. i love those gals and they have enough on there hands as it is.

love to all you future brown students. i hope i didn't cause any extra tension in the forum. waiting sucks.

signing out,

bunnytu


WanderingTree


Feb 19, 2010, 3:38 PM

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I sort of figured the Literary Arts program pretty much had complete power over their decisions considering that they've admitted a couple of people in the past that didn't even have undergraduate degrees.


Pogra Tor



Mar 6, 2010, 3:03 PM

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Hiya everyone,

I found out yesterday that I'm waitlisted for fiction. And of course I started sleuthing to see if hope is warranted. It isn't, but I see that someone got in off the poetry waitlist a few years ago.

Sooooo... if anyone wants to play tourture-the-waitlister, I'm happy to grasp at any and all straws.


"If I were invited to a dinner party with my characters, I wouldn't show up." --Dr. Seuss


bbroker


Mar 14, 2010, 7:34 AM

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Has anyone actually been accepted?


Pogra Tor



Mar 24, 2010, 2:35 PM

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Apparently they did accept some people because I just got a very, very kind email from one of the professors saying that all 5 people in fiction who were offered positions took them.

Hopefully the waitlisted poets will fare better!


"If I were invited to a dinner party with my characters, I wouldn't show up." --Dr. Seuss


rabbitlight21


Aug 12, 2010, 12:15 PM

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Hey, can anyone fill me in on how Brown's mfa program is structured? How many classes does one take per semester? How much room is there for electives? How long is the program in general? Is funding any good? Sorry I know I have alot of questions but I just can't seem to find any answers anywhere else.


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Eric Weinstein


Aug 13, 2010, 3:22 PM

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Hey, can anyone fill me in on how Brown's mfa program is structured? How many classes does one take per semester? How much room is there for electives? How long is the program in general? Is funding any good? Sorry I know I have alot of questions but I just can't seem to find any answers anywhere else.



All of these are on the website (http://www.brown.edu/...graduate_program.htm), but to answer your questions:

1. The program requires one workshop and one elective per semester, so one takes
2. Two classes per semester. (Your last semester is spent preparing your thesis.)
3. There's a lot of room for electives (50%).
4. The program is two years long.
5. Funding is pretty good. All first-year students receive a fellowship or proctorship that covers tuition and affords a small stipend. All students in good standing who are "appropriately qualified" (whatever that means) get TAships, so that funding covers the second year.


Hans Landa: You'll be shot for this!
Aldo Raine: Nah, I don't think so. More like chewed out. I've been chewed out before.


(This post was edited by ericweinstein on Aug 13, 2010, 3:23 PM)


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roxanne carter

Sep 30, 2010, 4:57 PM

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plus you get summer funding for the summer between first & second year & the non-workshop course can be within literary arts, or in any department at brown.


# www.persephassa.com


chicagofog


Dec 13, 2010, 11:06 PM

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I just sent in my application to Brown. Anyone else applying there this year?


logodaedalus


Dec 14, 2010, 1:15 AM

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I'm right there with you kneelis. Seems absurd to push it to the day before deadline when I've had months to prepare, but there it is. Best of luck with your application! Time for that faint flutter of relief before grinding on to the next app...


patrickdunn


Dec 14, 2010, 1:53 AM

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I'm applying. Will either send it tomorrow or in the last minute on Wednesday. Feels good that I'm actually going to make the deadline!


Mellifluous_Me


Dec 20, 2010, 6:59 PM

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     Allow me to first begin my introductory post, here, with an elated feeling of comradeship amongst fellow literary admirers and enthusiasts! It is an absolute, immeasurable relief to be able to share the various thoughts and questions that we each find ourselves overwhelmed as a daily (if not, hourly) occurrence.
I have just sent in my application to Brown (my unquestionable top-choice), as well, and, while I feel an immense amount of relief regarding its official, completed submission, I, now, sit in the tormented anticipation of its possible rejection.
Meanwhile, I shall be preoccupying my time with the other applications left to fill out and baking loads of the most delectable cupcakes *(stress-eating, anyone?).
Furthermore, I would like to add and partly inquire about the font type/size requirements for the writing samples requested by the Literary Arts Program. There were no specifications that I knew of, and I certainly wish not to be penalized on such an unfortunate technicality! Oh, how my heart flits and flutters by anguishing bits of panic!


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Elizabeth Hunt

Jun 2, 2012, 10:16 AM

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It's been a while since anyone has posted on this thread, but I'm hoping some past or current Brown students in fiction can comment on whether the program is still focused on experimental work.


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Tony Baker

Aug 6, 2013, 6:40 PM

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Does anyone have any info about the size of stipends offered to graduate assistants at Brown? Most MFA sites contain this info, but I can't find anything specific on Brown's site.


Mercy is the mark of a great man.

I guess I'm just a good man.


TonyB79
Tony Baker

Oct 20, 2013, 3:51 PM

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In case anyone else is interested in this, by the way, I've recently learned that Brown typically offers a 9k stipend the first year and 18k the second. I'm sorry to say this dropped the program pretty far down on my list, as (odds of getting in aside) I can't see passing up a chance to apply to Cornell or Michigan or UW Madison, for instance, for a program that could potentially put me in a pretty tight financial spot my first year. It's a shame, because I like the experimental focus, the liberal approach to electives and so on, and I'd love to get the chance to go to an Ivy League school.

As it stands, Brown is coming in behind the aforementioned schools, Syracuse University in New York, and possibly even Minnesota and Arizona State, though I'd rather not have to move clear to the other side of the country.


Mercy is the mark of a great man.

I guess I'm just a good man.


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Per Second

Nov 23, 2013, 8:51 PM

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TonyB79 -
Don't lower your standards based on financial packaging.
-Vi

----http://vikhinao.tumblr.com

In Reply To
In case anyone else is interested in this, by the way, I've recently learned that Brown typically offers a 9k stipend the first year and 18k the second. I'm sorry to say this dropped the program pretty far down on my list, as (odds of getting in aside) I can't see passing up a chance to apply to Cornell or Michigan or UW Madison, for instance, for a program that could potentially put me in a pretty tight financial spot my first year. It's a shame, because I like the experimental focus, the liberal approach to electives and so on, and I'd love to get the chance to go to an Ivy League school.

As it stands, Brown is coming in behind the aforementioned schools, Syracuse University in New York, and possibly even Minnesota and Arizona State, though I'd rather not have to move clear to the other side of the country.



http://vikhinao.tumblr.com

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