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murasaki
Marie Mockett

Sep 11, 2005, 9:28 AM

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I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about MFA programs in California. I know that Irvine is supposed to be good. What about Stanford? Or any others? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.


curly


Aug 19, 2004, 5:16 PM

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Has anyone been? What's it like? How hard is it to get in? I've heard it's seen better days.

I live in SF and won't leave, so I guess I am asking if it would be worth it to go here over not going anywhere, i'm not debating it against other programs.

Thanks for any advice.


bighark


Aug 19, 2004, 10:33 PM

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I don't have any first-hand experience with SFSU, but I do know that they don't offer any fellowship support. Would you be willing to pay tuition to get your MFA?

Taking out loans is a scares the bejesus out of me, but if you're not going to move, and if you really want an MFA, that might be your only option.

How bad do you want an MFA anyway? I see from my craigslist addiction that SF has a pretty robust writers scene with plenty of writers groups meeting all the time. Would that work?

Oh well, good luck with your search


curly


Aug 20, 2004, 12:45 PM

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Yes, there is a huge writers scene here and plenty of classes and groups to join. but as i find myself trying to pinpoint a "job" that would make me happy, more and more i wish i could simply teach creative writing. I have thought about teaching at the elementary or even high school level, but I really have no desire to go through the teaching credential process and i really don't have the patience to teach younger kids. There are other MFA programs in SF, but they are all private and SUPER expensive. state is the only one that wouldn't take me half my life to pay off. I guess I am a little more nonchalant about an MFA than others on this board. I had a great undergrad experence getting a BA in creative writing, and while I do want to learn more to better my own writing, i want to find a way to enjoy a career in creative writing. i am not the type of person that can rely on my own work to make money for the rent, i need a paycheck. Someone else suggested a low-residency program, which i really don't know anything about. I'll look into in. thanks for the advice.


bighark


Aug 20, 2004, 1:28 PM

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Curly, the MFA isn't job insurance. Teaching jobs at the collge level are scarce, and nearly all of them go to folks with impressive publishing credentials. The ones that are left are adjunct spots for teaching freshman comp--a far cry from creative writing.

Do yourself a favor and contact the faculty members of the MFA programs in your area. Invite them to get a cup of coffee. Ask about what you'll need to be an attractive candidate for teaching positions.


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curly


Aug 20, 2004, 5:13 PM

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thanks for the reality-check advice. i am not diving into anything right away.

Do you think an impressive publishing record is more important than an MFA to teach at the college (or even community college) level? or do most have both? i know at least one of my professors didn't have an MFA, and he was the best known of all of them. In fact, it came out later that he didn't even finish his BA when he was awarded the Poet Laureate of California. They did a background check and stripped the title from him, but I heard my school didn't fire him even though he technically lied on his resume. he's probably the biggest draw to the UCSD program. It was Quincy Troupe if you've ever heard of him.

anyway, i'll start my talking to some professors in SF. and i'll just keep writing....


rwt
Robert Thomas

Aug 20, 2004, 7:18 PM

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I think Quincy Troupe is in a class by himself, a legend. If you're Quincy Troupe, you can get a teaching job without a BA or an MFA or a driver's license. If you're "curly" or "rwt," it's a different story.


curly


Aug 20, 2004, 7:54 PM

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I'm glad you've heard of him, then you appreciate the story. They shouldn't have taken his poet laureate away. Since when does a poet's education matter? Definately the best teacher i'll ever have, he made you want to write your best. I was lucky enough to take three workshops from him.

So most professors probably have a combination of both MFAs and published works. A friend of a friend of a friend is Po Bronson and he got his MFA at SFSU, so I shot him an email to ask about the program. He's pretty open about communicating with fans, so hopefully i'll get the inside scoop.


creative8
John Smith


Sep 21, 2004, 2:10 PM

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In fact, it came out later that he didn't even finish his BA when he was awarded the Poet Laureate of California. They did a background check and stripped the title from him, but I heard my school didn't fire him even though he technically lied on his resume. he's probably the biggest draw to the UCSD program. It was Quincy Troupe if you've ever heard of him.

curly
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curly, i'm not interested in an MFA at SFSU but your post on Quincy Troupe is interesting. how come not a lot of people know about Troupe's being stripped of his title.

what made a lot of news was Amiri Baraka's refusal to resign as New Jersey's
poet laureate. The NJ Legislature abolished the position so he cannot be holding to a position which is non-existent.

http://www.amiribaraka.com/speech100202.html

seems like the African-American poet laureates get stripped of their titlesj, except the female poet Rita Dove.

js


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sharonlouise


Dec 11, 2004, 11:22 AM

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was wondering if anyone's heard anything about it? was thinking about applying.....


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equinoctial
Megan Savage

Dec 12, 2004, 9:55 AM

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I know nothing about the program itself, other than that Dana Johnson teaches there. She left the Indiana program last year to teach there and everyone here who has had her raves about her.


rshaikh


Jan 13, 2005, 7:32 PM

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Don't know if you're still looking at UCR's MFA program, but I went to UCR as an undergrad and studied creative writing while I was there (had to graduate before I had enough credits for a minor in it).

The MFA is a program of it's own, but for what it's worth, I loved my time with the Creative Writing Department. There are some good writers there who are also good and generous teachers. I am considering applying there myself (but not this year)


the wind



Apr 16, 2005, 2:50 PM

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Hi,

I've done a little research on Riverside and here's what I know. They are young and new, having only one graduating class last year and one next month. They are an inter-field program and encourage you to also study poetry, fiction, non-fitction, playwriting, screenwriting, and media writing. They offer the only BA in Creative writing in the UC system.

Fiction is strong due to Susan Straight, a book of the year finalist and judge. I recently talked to a new hire and this is what he told me. They had one spot open for fiction but couldn't choose among the three finalist so they took all three (how cool is that?). They are Dana Johnson, Andrew Winer, and Michael Jaime. Those three are all in their 30's which is so cool and hopefully a sign of the changing of the guard in academia. The men went to Irvine and Dana to Indiana. The school is diverse as is the faculty. The faculty has three writers of color which is usually three more than any other program hahaha.

I got in and have committed, so if you want more info, send a holler.

The Wind


(This post was edited by the wind on Apr 17, 2005, 4:08 AM)


smiggles


Jun 11, 2005, 6:45 PM

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I think the issue with Quincy was the lie, not the fact that he didn't have the degree...at least, that's the way the media portrayed it.


the wind



Jun 22, 2005, 3:03 AM

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Can anyone confirm if it's true about the author of Graceland?


taizhu


Sep 11, 2005, 10:48 AM

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Irvine definitely has a great program.

Stanford does not give an MFA degree. It is a fellowship that requires you to attend a workshop once per week and pays a stipend of about $25k per year. There are no degree requirements. I dont even thing you need to have gone to college. Most of the people there already have MFAs (but not all).

From what I can tell, the Stegner is a fantastic program and very competitive to get into. But it is something I would consider doing even after finishing my MFA at Iowa.


I think that there are MFA programs at Mills (have heard good/bad things), SF State (mostly night classes) I also think that UC David and Riverside also have started MFA programs. I have not heard much about either.


Kaytie
Kaytie M. Lee


Sep 11, 2005, 10:58 AM

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Hi, Marie,

It really depends on what you want to get out of the program and whether a program has instructors you'd like to work with.

Stanford doesn't actually have an MFA. The Stegner Fellowship is a two year program in which participants are given a stipend rather than the students having to pay for classes. It's highly competitive to get in, though my impressions were that once in it is a supportive group. Many of the participants already have MFAs--others do not.

I don't know all of the programs in the Bay Area--it is a huge place, but it is also a literary place. For an emerging writing it's a great community to be in. There are more opportunities to see authors read than anywhere else, there are several different organizations that hold writing festivals. Check out Litquake, a Dave Eggers production (PS If you don't care for Eggers or McSweeney's, it might not be the best place for you--his influence reaches quite far.)

The Bay Area has a big selection of independent bookstores, though sadly one of the greats, Kepler's (the one closest to Stanford), closed its doors recently.

Look into Los Angeles, too. There's a lot going on in LA, though not quite as much as in SF. If you write plays, it would be a good town to be in--people outside the city don't know, but there is a thriving theater community in LA, producing quality new plays in little black box theaters all over the city.

USC has the Master of Professional Writing--I went there. It's not strictly an MFA, so it's not the best choice if you plan to teach later (though there are opportunities to TA there if you are persistant), nor does it focus much on literary theory. That was fine with me...I'd had enough theory in undergrad. I wanted time to write and good teachers, and got that. It's expensive though, so you'd want to create a cost-benefit analysis for this one.

USC also has a PhD program in Creative Writing that you can start at the Masters level, though many of their students got an MFA at other schools first. Their PhD program is pretty straightforward--you have to pass tests after your second (I think) year, and there is an academic element to your thesis, but you also prepare a creative element as well. Plus, you'd get to study with the likes of Aimee Bender, TC Boyle, and Percival Everett (fiction--sorry, my poetry info is severely lacking).

UCLA does not have an MFA, but it does host the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books. If you end up anywhere near LA the Festival is a requirement!

There's a low residency MFA at Antioch in Marina Del Ray--haven't heard anything about it.

I have heard good things about Cal State Long Beach's MFA program. It is a mix of literature and writing workshops, and I have heard nothing but good things about program director Stephen Cooper. Long Beach is about an hour from LA proper (depending on traffic) so it can feel insular.

There's an MFA program at San Diego State University, but when I was looking for programs it didn't enthrall me much--perhaps because at the time I was looking I wanted to leave SD. San Diego ranks about third tier when it comes to literary communities (IMO--they can't even get a library built!), though there are some writing festivals and some book events. It seems to get passed by when it comes to many major author tours. That said, San Diego State, though older, is an excellent school.

Um...that's all I know. I'm happy to spew my opinions anytime--but they are only my opinions. Happy searching,


Kaytie M. Lee Last Updated November 2008

(This post was edited by Kaytie on Sep 11, 2005, 11:02 AM)


murasaki
Marie Mockett

Sep 11, 2005, 11:37 AM

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Kaytie and Taizhu -- I thank you both.

Kaytie -- Am I crazy in thinking that you are now in Texas? I hadn't realized you went to USC. Did you apply with the intention of writing a novel? Did you find the faculty helpful with this project? I hadn't realized that USC had such a good program. Did you find that you met good peers, and that you enjoyed living in the area? I am originally from northern California and don't know as much about southern California -- the old rivalries never really meant that much to me. I'd be curious to hear more about your experiences with this program.

Thanks to you both for replying.

The Stegner does indeed look competitive.


Kaytie
Kaytie M. Lee


Sep 11, 2005, 1:58 PM

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I replied to you privately-let me know whether you received the email. Questions answered below:

Nope, I'm not in Texas. I've been to Texas exactly twice. Once it was too hot, then it was too cold.

I did apply intending to write a novel, and I did write a novel. A novel and a half, actually.

The "goodness" of USC's program really depends on what you are looking for in a Creative Writing department. It was good for me but may not be appropriate for others.

My peer group ranged widely, actually. Everyone was supportive and constructive, but I found only two or three per class who gave criticism I actually found helpful. I suspect this would be true in any workshop situation.

LA - Loved it! I actually lived in Westwood, though, not all that close to USC. The closer to the beach the better. Not because I go to the beach, but because of the breeze that made the hot days bearable! (Also because my sig-o went to UCLA for an MBA and had to be on campus much more frequently than I did.) There's a lot happening for literature in LA, though sometimes it can take a while to get to it.

I don't know that the Stegner is any more or less competitive than the other major programs--U of Iowa, UC Irvine, etc. The catch is that when applying for it you are competing against graduates of U of Iowa, UC Irvine, etc. If you have flexibility of place, you should go for it. I can't think of any other program that gives that much aid. Plus, Stanford is an amazing campus and their library is wonderful.


Kaytie M. Lee Last Updated November 2008


HopperFu


Sep 11, 2005, 9:14 PM

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Hey Murasaki, this is an article about Bay area MFA programs that was in the SF Gate that a friend sent me:

http://www.sfgate.com/...8/21/CMGO5DR0KU1.DTL

It probably doesn't tell you a ton about the programs themselves, but it is interesting how much people are willing to spend for an MFA. I can't afford an MFA program unless I get funding, but I'm not sure I would pay anyway. I would almost be tempted to spend the $40K on self-funding for three or four years of full-time writing (and survival on ramen noodles)



sharonlouise


Sep 19, 2005, 3:35 PM

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Hi--I'm applying for an MFA this year, and would love to back to California (I'm in NY) or at least.....west. Was wondering if anyone has heard anything about these programs at all (Davis is actually an M.A.).

any info much appreciated.
---sh


rooblue


Sep 20, 2005, 4:14 PM

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Sharonlouise,
As you probably know, Pam Houston is the director of the UC Davis program. I just did a week long workshop with her in Provincetown. She's pretty intense as a teacher, and it's clear that she takes teaching seriously. I'm not sure what the rest of the UC Davis faculty is like. Good luck.


the wind



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People have written and asked me about this fairly young program out in Southern California. I am half-way through my first quarter and love it. The general talk that MFA Programs speed up a writer's learning curve is true and that "it would have taken me years to learn this stuff" is very accurate. (Applying the knowledge is a whole nother matter, ha ha) The program allows you study in the traditional fiction/poetry/non-fiction model but also includes playwriting and screenwriting, which are very popular. In two years, we take 7 workshops!

Our faculty is amazing. They are accesible, talented, and very knowledgable. We eat lunch and dinner often and can make time to talk easily. Our course selection is ridiculous: next quarter, I think we have workshops in all the mentioned forms, and four seminars that focus on themes and craft. If I could, I'd take like six classes next quarter.

When we pin down the faculty, I swear they are like encyclopedias on literature. It is both inspring and intimidating. I have never felt so poorly read in my life. Of our fiction faculty, Susan Straight is probably our biggest name, but Chris Abani is a rising star. (I think the guy is a genius and I NEVER say things like that).

If this sounds like a recruiting pitch, it sort of is, and it's also a pre-emptive email, like a war, but much more welcoming. I heard that the school is looking for students from all over the country and world to add new voices to the program. The school is a UC, which is the best public school system in the world AND the MFA program has fellowship money for promising candidates.

Personally, I'd like politicized and marginalized writers to come and stir trouble up with me. Good luck to all the applicants and consider coming out to sunny CA, it's like 70 degrees in November, how can you beat that?

--the wind


the wind



Dec 24, 2005, 5:09 AM

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I got your reply and hope this write up helps. I love the professors and the program is great. My only difficulty has nothing with the program but how I am reacting to it. Sometimes I get so sucked into the "program life" I forget about my previous and outside life as a writer/artist. As advice to any writer going to a program, it's been really important to live and maintain that life the most. MFA school is polishing my technique and craft, it does not supply my themes, it does not alleviate the struggle to promote oneself as an artist, and it is a temporary community.

Please see my write up in this link for more info. I hope you apply. There are many talented professors and students here. In 10 years, I think the name will retroactively be more valued cause we're so young.


(This post was edited by the wind on Dec 24, 2005, 6:38 PM)


sharonlouise


Dec 24, 2005, 11:18 AM

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I think I am going to apply. just waiting on one more letter, should get that this week. Am in the middle of reading "graceland"--I love it. Am a little worried because of my transcript--I went to UCSC back when they didn't give grades, only "narrative evlautions".
How do you like Riverside? Or do you live in L.A.?

also (sorry about all these questions!)...wondering about the general age group. Is everyone else there really young? or is it a mixed group?


the wind



Dec 24, 2005, 6:37 PM

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The ages are mixed, but it seems to be in three groups: new grads (22 or so), 2nd career like me (late twenties), or those 40 + who are living out a dream. Lots of people have families and kids as well. Riverside is ok, the air is not as bad as i thought, the geography is quite beautiful, and there are some cool coffee shops, but it IS sleepy and not much to do. I live in Riverside during the week and Long Beach on weekends. Most folks commute in three times a week from LA, even profs. Graceland is AMAZING, and that genius wrote it in 9 months!!! Check out Michael Jaime and Susan Straight as well.

Oh yeah, if they like you a lot they'll help find you money and there seems to more jobs on campus as well since it's not so crowded and thus less competitive

good luck


cymbeline


Jan 16, 2006, 3:11 PM

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Does anyone know if Irvine's 3.0 GPA requirement is firm? My GPA's 2.something.

And how long does it usually take to hear back from these progams re. acceptance/denial? I'm pacing the floor here.


cymbeline


Jan 16, 2006, 3:41 PM

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And if one were accecpted but put on academic probation--would that student almost certainly NOT get a TA-ship?


WittyName32


Jan 18, 2006, 9:44 AM

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I would say that all writers (and here I'm talking about writers, not people who type) are marginalized. It's why we write. I know what you're getting at, but I think you got at it in a way that's left the side-door banging in the wind.


noneya


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I inquired about this matter in the fall. Below is a copy of the response I received:
There has been one exception during the past eleven years, and that was for a published novelist. Sincerely, Geoffrey Wolff


cymbeline


Jan 19, 2006, 3:58 PM

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FYI, I called Irvine's program's friendly admin. asst., and she was less dire about sub-3.0 GPAs' chances than Sir Wolff seems to have been. This lady did not indicate that it was so rare for folks to get in with less-than-3.0 GPAs. She encouraged me to send along my GRE scores, though Irvine does not require them, to try to mitigate any dummie concerns.


(This post was edited by cymbeline on Jan 20, 2006, 12:28 PM)


noneya


Feb 6, 2006, 4:42 PM

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Cymbeline,

If Riverside is someplace that truly appeals to you, I hope you do go ahead an apply. I decided not to apply, in part due to the email response I received, but in part, because it just didn't seem like the program or the timing was quite right for me.

I hope you receive good news about your MFA applications soon.


wiswriter
Bob S.

Feb 7, 2006, 6:43 PM

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This has been noted around here before but it bears repeating: GPA requirements are window dressing to satisfy administrators. Very rarely is an MFA program going to reject you on the basis of your GPA if they love your writing. And if they do, you didn't want to go there anyway.

I had a sub-3.0 GPA and got in everywhere I applied. One school had a stated 3.0 requirement.


underwoodaddict


Mar 22, 2006, 9:03 PM

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so i know everyone is distracted by the onslaught of acceptance/rejection letters being sent out, but if anyone has the time/knowledge...

does anyone have any experience/in depth knowledge of the MFA programs at New College in cali? i'm wondering about both the writing and consciousness and the poetics programs. the site looks great, and they actually write me back, which is always a plus, but i don't know if they actually walk the walk.

anyone?

thanks


almost


Mar 23, 2006, 2:32 PM

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Has anyone heard from USF yet???


clarabow


Mar 30, 2006, 1:08 AM

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Schools with GPA requirements for MFA students are...that just seems silly to me. That's just me.

Now, on to my own topic: California College of the Arts. Does anyone know anything about this program?


jennymck


Mar 30, 2006, 1:01 PM

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I got into Mills today. I'm not really thinking about going there, but what are people's opinions of the program? Is anyone going there? I'm just curious what people think of it....


clarabow


Mar 30, 2006, 3:13 PM

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Didn't anyone besides me apply to CCA in San Francisco?? :)


mayfly


Mar 30, 2006, 4:23 PM

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i didn't apply to cca, but i just got out of a meeting and there was a message from maxine chernoff at sfsu--accepted! but, i was kind of resigned to the fact that i would be reapplying everywhere next year (sfsu isn't my first choice), and now i am freaking out from confusion. does anyone want to share any info on sfsu....please!!


bullscheidt


Mar 30, 2006, 4:55 PM

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Mayfly -- Congrats on SFSU! It's such a competitive program and it's in lovely SF and it's CHEAP. There's some great 1st hand stuff on these boards about SFSU if you search. Reviews seem to be mixed. I thought that this experience in the St. Mary's newsletter was particularly damning:
http://www.stmarys-ca.edu/...ws/1stpersonF01.html


bullscheidt


Mar 30, 2006, 5:03 PM

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But of course that newsletter is something like nine years old.


mayfly


Mar 30, 2006, 5:18 PM

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wow, thanks. i think. that article kind of confirmed my worst fears...


annamae11


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hey, i just got in too - for poetry. i had also resigned myself to re-applying next year. i got a good recommendation fofr sfsu from matthea harvery, and am excited about getting in. but i don't know nearly enough about the program... do you know what size it is? how many admitted for each genre? i guess i'm going to start looking into it!


mayfly


Mar 31, 2006, 10:01 AM

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No, I don't know nearly enough, except I do love the poetry faculty. I have heard that the workshops are large, but how large is large? I will be contacting Paul Hoover for more info, and will probably be flying out there in two weeks.


maida


Mar 31, 2006, 10:13 AM

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Clarabow,

I've been offered admission to CCA too. I'm a fiction writer who cannot leave the SF Bay Area (fortunately for me, there are many programs here). Yesterday I completed the application process (Thank God!) and the final results are: ADMITTED--CCA, Mills, USF, SFSU; WAITLIST--Saint Mary's.

I'm planning on attending the Open House reading/BBQ event at CCA on Sunday, April 9. I know a fiction writer who goes there currently and he raves about it. CCA seems to foster a vibrant artistic community with an open, interdisciplinary approach (you are not exclusively wedded to a genre and can take visual arts courses, for example, and receive MFA Writing credit). They have a mentorship aspect to their program that sounds very appealing. I know someone who is on their roster of mentors, and he's very good. I think one of the biggest drawbacks of CCA may be price. It's a newer program; I think established in 2000.

From what I've noticed from your posting Clarabow, I think you'll thrive wherever you land. You bring a lot of positive energy, a sense of humor, and a desire to engage yourself deeply in the act of writing.


clarabow


Mar 31, 2006, 10:23 AM

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Thanks for the great comments, Maida. That was nice of you. You made me excited about CCA again! I'm all a muddle about this!

Kind of bummed - never heard from USF, so I probably didn't get in...sigh. It seems many people have heard from them, just not me!


(This post was edited by clarabow on Mar 31, 2006, 10:24 AM)


Windiciti



Apr 2, 2006, 7:44 PM

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Clarabow,
There was a VERY interesting article about CCC in the Sunday Chicago Tribune. This is about their film program. lt gives you a sense that they are somewhat edgy in their approach to the visual arts. It is in the front page!

I know it doesn't answer your questions about the Fiction workshops, but you might get something out of it.
Perhaps, if you can't visit their classes you could ask to speak to recent grads, or current students?


rocky_fona


Apr 4, 2006, 9:59 PM

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Jenny, Mills is an excellent program.
More than anything, their faculty are *dedicated* teachers. I suggest you seriously consider attending, if you've been accepted. I think you really get your bang for your buck there.


clarabow


Apr 4, 2006, 10:19 PM

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i've heard good things about mills, too.
i wish i had applied there.


bullscheidt


Apr 5, 2006, 6:41 PM

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Maida,

Congrats on your acceptances! When did you hear from SFSU and St. Mary's? And how? Phone, email or mail? Has anyone on the boards received rejections from these two programs yet?

Cheers, BS


tayjay


Apr 6, 2006, 11:26 PM

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Has anyone heard from Irvine yet?


http://a-quiet-light.livejournal.com/


ajmichaelis


Apr 11, 2006, 6:50 PM

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Has anyone heard from San Francisco State or San Jose State? It's April 11, this is killing me! It looks like there's been at least one acceptance posted for SFSU, but I haven't heard anything more....

Thanks!


maida


Apr 12, 2006, 10:31 AM

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I got a phone call letting me know of a fiction acceptance at SFSU on Thursday, March 30. Don't know anything about SJSU. Good luck . . . The waiting is a big drag.


Dirty Deeds


Apr 14, 2006, 7:23 PM

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I got an acceptance email from San Jose State on March 27, and then received a paper copy a week later with some course listings etc...

I applied to the program because I liked the cross-genre requirements and the different opportunities to gain professional working experience in related fields... but I'm really not familiar with them-

I cant find much about the program itself, outside of the school website-
Does anybody know anything about them? Are they good with funding?


DD


the wind



Dec 11, 2006, 10:47 PM

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This was written in Dec 9, 2006's LA Times regarding the UC Riverside Creative Writing Program. I've been telling people, but now that Mike Davis said it, I'm sure people will notice. But I'll say it my way: " Y'all better get in where you fit in." Cause our stock is still rising, but soon, it'll be way too expensive and back to the 1out of 100 craziness of other schools. (http://www.calendarlive.com/books/cl-et-inlandia9dec09,0,4590829.story)

For Morton and others who believe in the power of literature, a true picture of the IE's ethnic diversity and struggles may be just what the place needs. "What's striking about the book is the sheer quality of writing coming out of the Inland Empire, especially the writing program at UC Riverside," said Mike Davis, an author and urban theorist known for his apocalyptic works on L.A., "City of Quartz" and "Ecology of Fear."

Fontana-born Davis, who has a piece in the book, said the Riverside program is turning out some of the best young writers in the country. Students at the more celebrated UC Irvine program (where Davis once taught) have the writing chops but not the multigenerational, multiethnic life experiences of kids in the IE.

"This is the future now," Davis said. "This is where young voices are apt to be most interesting."


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Geary'n Hyde

May 1, 2007, 5:43 AM

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Hi folks,

I thought I'd revive this thread, so those of us heading to SoCal can connect. I'm in at Cal Arts and excited about the interdisciplinary nature of the program and campus overall. I grew up in SoCal, but haven't lived there in more than a dozen years.

Any other CalArtians who've sent their deposit and made the great leap of faith?


the wind



May 27, 2007, 3:29 AM

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Something lovely is blooming out in the Inland Empire. My MFA Program at UC Riverside, though only five years old, seems to be on a roll. Recent news:

1. In fiction, we will have our first book published by Houghton Mifflin/Mariner. It is a inter-related collection of stories and is represented by Inkwell.

2. In poetry, we will have our first book published by Akashic/Black Goat.

3. Two recent grads were accepted into PHd Creative Writing programs at USC and Texas Tech.

4. And I just got accepted to Bread Loaf for 2007.

We are new, but that just makes us hustle harder. :)


__________



May 27, 2007, 5:48 AM

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Congrats, wind! That's very impressive.

Can you tell us how Riverside has impacted you as a writer?


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the wind



May 30, 2007, 1:36 AM

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I'll try and keep it short and simple.
--I learned what a story was (a character developing, desiring, overcoming, deciding through scenes); you'd think this would be a no-duh, but it was important to define for me
--I understand that diction controls voice
--That the world of story comes across through scenes and that scenes must be crucial and link to the next.
--that the writer's job is to keep the reader reading (narrative tension)
--that short stories have to start fast
--that details make a story and dialogue makes a character
--like Anne Lamott says, it really is bird by bird. One word at a time, then one sentence, then one paragraph, one scene and then repeat
--i learned about the short sentence, and the long sentece, the lasting image, the beauty of gesture and facial expressions.
--from the poets, I learned to love words and their sounds, how to use the lyrical line to create image and voice
--good writing can have plot and they are not mutually exclusive. That the fiction writers other main job is to tell a story, before cool language experiments, before dry sardonic wit, before showing how smart, sensitive, funny they are.
A story stars a character in a bind and though it's a simplistic way to start, I often imagine how I would explain my story in one line, like in jacket copy. For example: Will Viet get across town to see Neema while the riots rage on? What happens when the boys want to party in the shi-shi part of town the night before theyleave for college?
I hope that doesn't sound too easy, but it's the stuff on my mind. I've also taken two notebooks worth of notes about smaller details as well. I plan on typing it all up one day and using it to teach workshop one day.
And most of all, I challenge all speakeasy readers to find a program with a faculty as large and diverse (thematically and stylistically, and ethnically) as ours. Just off the top of my head I count 4 poetry professors, 4 fiction profs, and 3 non-fiction profs. (And with cross genre work, actually 7 profs write and teach fiction). Where are you gonna find that many folks to help you out? And these are creative writing profs, not English profs who have to teach lit classes, as we are the only UC school with a creative writing major (which also helps with teaching experience). It's all craft, seminar, workshop, or independent studies.
Hope that was an adequate sampler.


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Jessie Carty

May 30, 2007, 2:16 PM

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can't help this ......

i think it is great to brag. i brag on my program all the time but i'd have to say most programs i considered had really great diverse professors who primarily teach creative writing etc. (like the one i attend) so i'd beg to differ on that one :) and besides, nothing wrong w/ teaching comp and creative writing. i find myself inspired by doing different things such as watching a documentary on planet earth or riding a bus. who knows, you may be inspired by someone while you are teaching lit too :) --i'm smiling a lot here--

but go ahead and toot your horn, enjoy your program!

--jessie


http://jessiecarty.com


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May 30, 2007, 2:46 PM

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Thanks, wind.

It looks like you've been learning / learning to think about some very practical things. This is actually one of my criteria now, as I search for schools. My college texts, such as Robert Olen Butler's From Where You Dream, were just so drenched in abstraction, it really alerted me to the fact that I needed less theory, more craft.


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Geary'n Hyde

Aug 5, 2007, 7:13 PM

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Thanks for the info Wind. I was under the impression that the program was not housed on the main campus in DT Riverside, and that it was more of an MA. I'm from Riverside, so it would've been a good idea to have applied there. I regret the misinformation, I didn't get the right impression from the web site and materials they sent.

Oh well.


the wind



Sep 17, 2007, 4:59 PM

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Recent UC Riverside news:

Ovation Road, our second poetry book by an MFA grad will be published by Plain View Press in 2008.

We've added two amazing writers and scholars, Reza Aslan (www.rezaaslan.com) and Laila Lalami (www.lailalalami.com), to our Department of Creative Writing. He wrote "No god, but God" and she wrote "Hope and Other Dangerous Pursuits." (We now have 11 faculty members who solely teach creative writing, holy Batman, that is a lot)

Professor poet Chris Buckley recently won a Guggenheim award.

Professor Chris Abani (www.chrisabani.com) has an amazing African child-soldier novella out called "Song for Night."

Professor Susan Straight was nominated for an LA Times Book of the Year for her novel "A Million Nightingales" and has a children's book out called "The Friskative Dog" which is so cute it has actually forced me to use the word "cute."


the wind



Nov 19, 2007, 9:55 PM

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More horn tootin'

Susan Straight at UC Riverside just won a Lannan Award which includes a $150,000 prize. The award is for her body of work, including novels, collections, children's books, and essays.

But more than her merits as a writer, I have to say that she is both honest and encouraging as a teacher. Most of all, I respect the hell out of her for writing on her own terms, which includes living out in the Inland Empire, having a family and raising kids, and writing what she wants to write about (race, class, marginalized folks, period pieces). She proves that you don't have to have a trust fund, go to an Ivy, wear all black, live on the east coast, and be cynical to be successful. Cheers to her!


zebulon


Nov 20, 2007, 3:25 AM

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Planet Earth is a vast treasure trove of poems. Haha.


gina.bee


Nov 28, 2007, 4:30 PM

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Hey Wind... and others...

I've been following this thread as I'm applying to only CA schools. I never thought I'd consider it (don't really want to live in SoCal), but I'm thinking I may apply to UC Riverside... Wind... how's the poetry faculty and students-- what's the community like (I get a sense of vibrancy and diversity from what you've posted, but would love to hear more...)

Also, I know you mentioned a little bit about the actual city/community. I get a sense that it's like suburbia-- do you have to drive everywhere? When you leave campus, do you still feel a cohesive sense of a literary community?

Any input would be great!

re: BA in Creative Writing. UC Davis has a BA in English w/ emphasis in CW, so I wouldn't say UCR is the only one in the UC system to have it.


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Zachary Ash

Nov 29, 2007, 2:20 AM

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Anybody know anything about the MA in English/creative writing at UC Davis?


gina.bee


Nov 29, 2007, 2:17 PM

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Yeah-- I'm applying there and went as an undergrad. What specifically do you want to know? I could go on forever about it... It's a great school-- and a great program. I'm really excited about the prospect of going there again.


Zash
Zachary Ash

Nov 29, 2007, 5:01 PM

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Gina.bee,
Thanks for the response. I'm applying to Davis too. I like the town, the school, and what I've read online about the program. Would you say this is one of those 'under the radar' programs, a place that's really good but not yet widely known? And since it's an MA, not an MFA, is the focus split between cw workshops and grad lit courses? Art and scholarship? I wish it were a pure studio program ... But the faculty sounds top-notch.
I decided not to apply to UC Irvine, despite its reputation, because I can't put up with living two more years in So Cal. The atmosphere up north is more my style.
Zash


gina.bee


Nov 29, 2007, 10:53 PM

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Hey Zachary,

I would definitely say it's under the radar. I probably know as much as you do about the current faculty, as I've been away from Davis for about 7 years, but I've heard that it's gotten even better since I left. I majored in English with an emphasis in Creative Writing, so I got a taste of what the workshops would be like. I think that the M.A. at Davis is pretty much the same as an MFA; most MFA programs require a few lit courses and the split seems to be on par with that at Davis. I wouldn't worry too much about the distinction-- you'll get a good studio feel.

Are you applying in Fiction or Poetry? I'm applying in Poetry. I didn't get a sense that UCI was the place for poets-- seems it's good for fiction. I don't really want to migrate to SoCal, but I'm looking into applying to UC Riverside, and definitely SDSU, as well, although Davis is my top choice, and I'm also applying to other schools in NorCal. Do you know much about UCR?


Zash
Zachary Ash

Nov 30, 2007, 3:36 AM

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Hey Gina.bee,

I'm fiction. And as it happens, I graduated from UC Riverside, but it was a few years ago, and my major was History, so I haven't much first-hand knowledge on the MFA program. I've heard it's good, though, and diverse. Growing. In the last ten years or so, the campus has gotten MUCH bigger, and there are now many cultural/intellectual/recreational opportunities, I believe. Downtown Riverside, about five miles from campus, is sorta funky and bohemian, with cafes, museums, bars. Near UCR it's all fast-food, freeways, and motels. To the east is Boxwood Canyon, a nice semi-wilderness preserve. As a whole, the school is rising in stature.


gina.bee


Nov 30, 2007, 11:43 AM

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Thanks, Zash... this is really helpful. How far away from L.A. is it? Let me know if you want more info. about UCD.


Zash
Zachary Ash

Nov 30, 2007, 1:40 PM

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On a good day, it's a two hour drive from Riverside to LA. It's about an hour to Pasadena, which has lots of cool theaters, bookstores, cafes. And I think you can get to both destinations, now, by metro rail, LA's new rapid transit. Yes, we have one. In downtown LA there's even a subway!

My best friend got his PhD from Davis, and I was up there from time to time, so I know the town a bit. I like it. I think it'd be a nice, mellow place to hang-out for two years and write stories.

zash


mradamscott


Dec 7, 2007, 5:53 PM

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I can answer some of your questions on the program at UC Davis since I graduated from the fiction program in 2006. I loved my time there. The group my year was very cohesive and supportive, though I think this may have been more due to the individual personalities than the program itself. That said, the professors are really dedicated to the students. They are quite different in terms of the way they mentor, teach, and read a story. Pam Houston is the big name and despite being all over the US (she was promoting her novel at the time), she always made time for her students. Lynn Freed was my favorite. She's not around as often (only teaches one or two quarters a year), but she's the best reader I've ever had. She definitely has an opinion on what makes a story, so you may butt heads with her, but whatever happens, you'll come out a better writer. Lucy Corin's the third fiction writer and she's pretty experimental. I liked her though. She's young and quirky and will give you a ton of time on your manuscript. On the poetry side are Joe Wenderoth and Joshua Clover, two guys who couldn't be more different in their approach. There's a tendency for students to fall into either camp. Both are great in their own ways though.

On a practical note, the money's pretty good (they fund all students as far as I know) and everybody teaches Creative Writing in their second year. UC Davis also runs the Tomales Bay Workshops and when I was there, all the CW students got to go for free. Keep in mind that the program is an MA which has its advantages and disadvantages. You may have a better chance teaching composition at a community college with the MA since they assume you have a strong lit background, but then again, it's not a terminal degree no matter what anyone tells you. Then again, the MFA students I know are just as unlikely to get a job without some major publications.

As has been mentioned, the atmosphere of the town is totally relaxed. It's an awesome town to travel by bike (you might even consider selling your car), there are great little restaurants, and the weekly farmer's market is a big community event. The PhD students have an ultimate frisbee team, The F-Bombs, and I would recommend everyone join. It was the most fun I had all year. Feel free to ask me about anything else.


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Zachary Ash

Dec 9, 2007, 4:03 AM

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thank you! This inside scoop puts my mind at ease. It's so hard to know what a program is like from afar.
zash


gina.bee


Jan 7, 2008, 7:34 PM

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I'm applying to SDSU in Poetry. Anyone out there know much about it?


the wind



Mar 20, 2008, 4:24 AM

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One of UC Riverside's first year MFA'ers in Fiction just won the 2008 Atlantic Monthly Student Fiction Contest.
http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=1797

As of today, our five year old MFA program (the undergrad program is 20-some years old) has seven books set to be published from students: 1 fiction, 1 memoir, 5 poetry books, one the winner of the Philip Levine prize, one a winner of an Arktoi prize.

And there could be (another) major hire soon.

For the fall class, we have 6 spots for 125 fiction applicants, which is just around a 5% admittance rate. (I'm glad I got in when I did :)

http://www.creativewriting.ucr.edu
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38875675064


ohsotragic


Mar 20, 2008, 1:29 PM

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Anyone have any info on CalArts? I am really considering going there, but would appreciate feedback from you guys. thanks!


the wind



May 1, 2008, 7:00 PM

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If you don't know who he is, you better ask somebody.

Nuff said.


Raysen


Jul 28, 2008, 10:55 AM

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Anyone have any info on San Jose State? It's a 3-yr program w/ a foreign language requirement and an MFA comprehensive exam. Beyond that, I know nothing about its quality.


bsquared


Aug 1, 2008, 7:25 AM

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I'm from SoCal and I'm trying to find MFA programs that are worthwhile in the LA area. I stumbled across Otis College of Art & Design in my search-- Anyone know anything about it?


Raysen


Mar 4, 2009, 8:26 PM

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I have a "thing" for Lynn Freed at UC Davis. The only thing that kept me from applying there was that it was an MA program, not an MFA, which, according to their website, is a trivial difference.


megmarcu


Mar 4, 2009, 8:31 PM

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I've so far only been accepted at UC Davis, and I've heard so many different opinions on the whole MA/MFA thing that I just am not even considering it as a factor anymore. Pam Houston and Yiyun Li are two of my favorite writers, so I'm happy.

And after 21 years in Michigan, I'm ready for a change in climate...


found



Mar 4, 2009, 8:36 PM

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Yiyun Li! That's so exciting, megmarcu. I read her story "Prison" in the 2008 O. Henry Prize collection and really admired it.


http://foundinfiction.blogspot.com/


Khalilah


Mar 5, 2009, 2:15 AM

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You of course know about Irvine right? Then in his book Kealey has a list of almost all the MFA programs in the country so that's a good place to start. Irvine has graduated more published authors than any other MFA program. Sorry I know nothing about SoCal Arts.


roswell


Mar 5, 2009, 9:41 AM

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Dear Megmarcu,

As someone who got an MA years ago, before the university I attended offered an MFA, I just want to add one cautionary note: a number of academic jobs require the "terminal degree," which sounds ominous but means the "final" degree in the field--MFA, if creative writing, or PhD. If you don't expect to be looking for an academic job, this is moot. If you do, you should plan either to go for the PhD, or (and/or) work even harder to end up with a publishable book at the end of the process. If you have a published book, then hiring committees can often be persuaded to waive the "terminal degree" requirement. Also, while you're at Davis, get whatever training you can in teaching writing. The training and experience I got learning to teach composition and creative writing sustained me for many years.

R


Raysen


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Yiyun Li! That's so exciting, megmarcu. I read her story "Prison" in the 2008 O. Henry Prize collection and really admired it.


Was this an excerpt from her recent novel The Vagrants? I can't find this story in her short story collection A Thousand Years of Good Prayers. As far as I know, these are the only two published books to her name.


found



Mar 19, 2009, 7:04 PM

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Li's "Prison" was originally published in Tin House. I read it in the 2008 collection of O. Henry Prize winning stories.

http://www.randomhouse.com/anchor/ohenry/winners/



http://foundinfiction.blogspot.com/


Khalilah


Mar 20, 2009, 12:55 AM

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Thanks for sharing this info Roswell. Must one teach in graduate school to get teaching jobs in the real world?


Raysen


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Li's "Prison" was originally published in Tin House. I read it in the 2008 collection of O. Henry Prize winning stories.

http://www.randomhouse.com/anchor/ohenry/winners/


Ahh, damn! I hate it when they do this. It's like a rock band releasing a song as a single but it's not associated with any album. (This is more relevant in the old days when they didn't have 99 cents per song downloads) I like to just buy the album which has all the recent songs in it.


taraberyl



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Hi everyone. I am working on an Irvine application and I am having the worst time with something and hope one of you knows the answer...
I know that Irvine is one of those schools that requires a statement of purpose separate from an autobiographical sketch (both are personal statements, but the former is more academic in nature). Filling out the online app, though, I find that they also ask for a "personal history statement." Does anyone know if the personal history statement is the same as the autobiographical sketch, or different?
Thanks so much. I very recently bugged the admin office with other questions so I am wary of contacting them before I check with y'all.


alamana
Jennifer Brown


Sep 27, 2009, 9:48 AM

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I believe it is a separate statement. At least I wrote a separate one last year when I was doing applications.


Be regular and orderly in your life, that you may be violent and original in your work. -- Flaubert

http://www.jenniferkirkpatrickbrown.com


jamie_mu


Sep 27, 2009, 10:03 AM

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I'm pretty sure you have to write two essays, one the bio for the department, the other your standard SOP. If on the app there are two fields, one for the SOP and one for the personal history statement, I would enter in the 2-4 pg bio into that second field.

Plus, you are still pretty early in the process. I'm sure the admissions office would much rather have you bother them now with your questions rather than calling on November 30th.


taraberyl



Sep 27, 2009, 10:48 AM

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Thanks so much to both of you! GOD I love this board.


alamana
Jennifer Brown


Sep 27, 2009, 3:08 PM

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I wrote 3 statements total for Irvine. The 2-4 page bio that goes to the CW department, and then two separate ones for the two separate entries on the online application. Yep, it's a pain, but I would do all three.


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raynold



Feb 26, 2010, 5:50 AM

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Does anyone have any opinion on Otis in LA?

I know they are relatively new and have an interesting broad spectrum of studying, but has anyone heard anything from students or applicants?
http://www.otis.edu/...e_writing/index.html


rabbitlight21


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I've been searching through the boards for more info on UC Riverside and SF State, but I haven't been getting much. Location and funding are important to me. Can anyone here please share any first hand accounts, or at least stories you've heard about these programs? I like poetry, but I also enjoy short stories and scriptwriting.


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rabbitlight21


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Anyone? Please...


Coconut Joe



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I've been searching through the boards for more info on UC Riverside and SF State, but I haven't been getting much. Location and funding are important to me. Can anyone here please share any first hand accounts, or at least stories you've heard about these programs? I like poetry, but I also enjoy short stories and scriptwriting.


Try MFA Blog if you don't find anything here. Both programs have been talked about before, especially SFSU by Seth and others.


(This post was edited by Coconut Joe on Mar 23, 2010, 3:34 PM)


squirrel_life


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Anyone have any info on San Jose State? It's a 3-yr program w/ a foreign language requirement and an MFA comprehensive exam. Beyond that, I know nothing about its quality.



ceeya


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Hi everyone. I have resigned myself to applying again this year and am compiling a list of California schools. Here's what I've come up with so far. If anyone could tell me if I'm missing a school, I'd appreciate it so much.

Sonoma State University (MA)
San Jose State
San Francisco State
University of San Francisco
St. Mary's College of California
Mills College
California College of the Arts
Antioch (low-res)
UC Davis (MA)
CSU Fresno
CSU Chico (MA)
Stanford (Stegner Fellowship)
Otis
CalArts
Chapman
USC (MPW)
UC Irvine
UC Riverside
UC San Diego
CSU Long Beach
CSU San Bernadino
San Diego State

Thanks in advance!


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ceeya


Apr 2, 2010, 11:23 PM

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And:

California Institute of Integral Studies
National University
CSU Sacramento (MA)
CSU East Bay (MA)


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ceeya


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Also:

CSU Los Angeles (MA)


ceeya


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In addition:

Notre Dame de Namur University (MA)
Loyola Marymount University (MA)


jlorenz-crunk


May 28, 2010, 1:08 PM

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There are great programs in Southern California certainly including UCI, UCR and Antioch. Decide what works best for your lifestyle and consider what you ultimately want to get from the program. My lifestyle required a low-residency program. I got accepted to Antioch LA, graduated this past December and thoroughly enjoyed the program, the mentors, and workshops. The reading lists each project period were versatile and definitely motivated me to move outside of my personal comfort zone in terms of my reading choices, which ultimately reflected on my writing. Research each program of interest, the MFA staff and their writing, as well as mentors from previous semesters/project periods. I incidently lived in San Diego and commuted to LA for my residencies. The residencies are intense but are also excellent creative periods throughout the program.


Malory
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Jun 27, 2010, 10:41 PM

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Hello everyone,

I'm semi-new here and have been researching schools to apply to this coming Fall for Fall 2011 admission. I am originally from California and I would love to go back. I've creeped around here and discovered that the Bay area is a great literary area, and it would be such a change from slow-paced Oklahoma. I would love some advice on the different programs in the California area! I am focusing on poetry.


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umass76


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Hi Malory,

I know others here may skewer me for saying this, but CA is a surprisingly not-so-great place to do an MFA, even if it's a great place generally to just be a writer (i.e. outside the context of MFA programs and study). The only well-funded programs are Irvine (but lower-range stipend and very high cost of living), UCSD (new program, some dispute over whether it is fully funded or not), San Diego State (above average funding and reputation), and maybe Riverside at a stretch. Perhaps I'm forgetting another at the moment -- the point being, though, the West Coast is largely unfunded programs (only U. of Oregon, as to schools outside-CA-but-still-West-Coast, has full funding). Anyway, just an FYI -- if one wants to do an MFA in CA one is likely to have to pay through the teeth for it. Not so in the Midwest or South, where fully-funded programs more or less grow on trees. Best,

Seth


Malory
Malory


Jun 28, 2010, 12:47 AM

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Thanks for the information! I have a running list of schools to keep researching and California wasn't on my list, and since my roots are there I thought that I might as well check out what they offer. I will keep looking though...


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elissa
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Jun 28, 2010, 1:18 PM

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Or, if you want to be in California and don't find a program, a number of people chose low-residency programs because you can write where you feel most at home/have your best writing inspirations and only be on campus only 1-2 weeks/semester. (but this does not submerge you in the school environment, and funding does not occur in the same way) Just a thought.


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sarahsarah


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Hi- I'm new here, but I applied to grad programs last fall and wanted to offer some insight into the CA situation.

I applied to, and was accepted by, UC Davis, UCSD, and the USC MPW program. (I also got into Notre Dame, but was pretty set on staying in CA.) These programs all offer funding of some sort, you just have to make sure you push for it.

UCSD originally gave me nothing in the way of funding, but once I told them where else I'd been accepted and what I'd been offered, they came back with a creative writing teaching position that came with tuition remission and a stipend not entirely impossible to live on. UC Davis offered a grant that covered about half the cost of tuition. USC offered an Assistant Lectureship position, which means I'll be teaching a freshman comp section and won't have to pay tuition. The stipend is fairly generous, more than what I think most schools offer, thanks to the cost of living in LA. I chose USC because of it's interdisciplinary focus, and because I couldn't pass up the chance to work with professional writers like Dana Goodyear and Janet Fitch. I also sat in on some classes there (Janet is amaazing) and spoke to the new head of the program, Brighde Mullen, who is incredible and brilliant (she's a playwright who graduated from Iowa and used to head up Harvard's undergrad creative writing program. She also taught at Brown.) I've lived in Los Angeles for three years, and have managed to find a thriving creative writing community. I'm looking forward to living and working post-grad school in the same place where I get my masters, something I wouldn't have wanted to do in a place like Fort Bend. I know USC's MPW doesn't have the greatest reputation, but I think that has to do with its leadership in the past. Things are definitely changing there.

USC also has a strong phD program whose resources, I've heard, are available to MPW students who take the initiative to seek them out. It's something to think about for those exploring their options in CA- if you can get funding, the MPW is a great option.

UCSD's MFA is also supposed to be great, especially if you're looking for a smaller cohort. It's fairly new, and they only accept 4 people every year. The head of that program is Sarah Shun-Lien Bynum, who was just named one of the New Yorker's 20 under 40. The poet Rae Armantrout also teaches there.

In any event, the point of all this was to share my experience with CA MFA programs. The funding seems to be there if you look for it, and ask, so don't let money stop you from applying.


umass76


Jul 8, 2010, 7:44 PM

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Just to piggy-back on what Sarah said... I don't think the question with either Davis or USC has ever been one of faculty or location, or even necessarily funding, but degree type -- it's not quite clear why USC thinks it's vital to offer an MPW rather than an MFA, creating significant doubts regarding terminality (not helped by the fact that the MPW isn't even the highest CW degree offered at USC, as Sarah noted), nor is it clear why Davis insists on remaining a non-terminal M.A. when it isn't that difficult to make the curricular changes necessary, and apply to the necessary agencies, to be recognized as an MFA program. I can't help but feel like someone's asleep at the switch there. In both instances the programs' rankings have suffered for the programs being non-terminal. At present the MFA remains the gold standard for CW degrees, though Sarah is absolutely right (if she was implying this) that if one intends on going on to a doctoral program, the difference between an MFA and MPW (or M.A.) suddenly becomes less significant. And USC's stellar faculty (coupled with the great writing community in L.A. that Sarah mentioned) has certainly made USC's CW Ph.D. one of the top targets of MFA graduates nationally.

If we're speaking only of MFA programs--which I suppose is what most folks here are looking at--I think we have to be clear that the West Coast is not a well funded region for MFA programs relative to its land-area size and population. There are only two undisputed fully-funded MFA programs, and both are on the low end of full funding when their already-low stipend is adjusted for cost of living (Oregon and Irvine). A host of California universities that should have MFA programs do not--USC, UCLA, Stanford, Davis, Berkeley, UC-Santa Cruz, UC-Santa Barbara--making California one of the "tardiest" areas of the country in terms of patching into the recent explosion in the popularity of the MFA degree. Several West Coast programs have unclear but possibly quite strong funding situations: Oregon State and UCSD have both been the subject of full-ranking "rumors" (i.e. some say they are, while some, such as Sarah, have experiences which suggest otherwise), and UC-Riverside and San Diego State could probably improve their rankings substantially if anyone at those universities knew sufficient HTML code to do applicants the courtesy of reciting their funding offerings online (though neither program is fully funded for all students).

Unfortunately some of the worst-funded programs in the U.S. are also on the West Coast, in fact a disproportionate number are: SFSU, USF, Mills, University of Washington, Portland State, CalArts, and California College of the Arts are among the worst offenders nationally in this regard (especially given the cost of living in their host locales). Then there are the programs no one knows anything about, which don't advertise themselves well or are new (Fresno State, UC-San Bernadino, and a few other programs in the California State system) and Saint Mary's, which is generally poorly funded but has at least tried to be creative and resourceful with its funding packages more than the programs listed above (the list starting with SFSU). So with only two undisputed fully-funded MFA programs on the entire West Coast of the United States, and both of these being among the less impressive fully-funded programs funding-wise, and with the best universities on the West Coast not even bothering to offer a creative writing MFA, I think it has to be said that--sadly--the West Coast is not the best place to look for MFA programs, even if (as with any program anywhere) there's always the chance that some infinitesimal percentage of admittees (5% to 15%) can get funding at any program one could name (but one would still have to consider the effect of the program's non-full-funding status on selectivity, i.e. cohort quality). I think UC-Davis and USC are good options for those who are going on to do a doctoral degree and/or for those who may apply to MFA programs afterward (though it's not clear whether USC's iffy terminality actually hurts students coming and going--in the sense that prospective employers might deem it non-terminal, even as MFA admissions committees deem it terminal and thus something that renders one an ineligible applicant).

Hopefully things in California will improve over the next few years and decades! UCLA in particular is just a total head-scratcher--it's amazing that they have some of the best MFA programs in areas other than creative writing, and then just no CW (fiction, poetry, or nonfiction) degree whatsoever.

Best,
Seth


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jd-


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Glad I found this thread... interesting read. Like a few posters, I am also in San Francisco and not willing to leave. I am older, 31, and have a house and SO, so that is just not happening.
The two that I have considered, and really the only two reputable options are San Francisco State, and University of San Francisco.
I have been working in a different field to pay the bills but my true love is writing. I went to Northwestern for Lit, and not to sound snobby or anything, but it might be a step down? As they say, it is often the last school you went to that counts on your Bio...
I am also not interested in teaching whatsoever (again here, willingness to relocate is not an option) I make adequate money as it is right now over the scarce possibilities in the Bay Area available, which surely others are more qualified and published than I. Mainly what I would be looking for is of course mentoring, writing advancement, novel completion, but primarily looking for networking and possible publishing contacts. I hear that agent and publishing type scenarios are not that great at either school, for better or worse.

I was just seeing if anybody thought those programs would be worth it in my situation? Or if I should just hone in on my own connections and attend some local writers groups instead?

Thanks!


patrickdunn


Sep 10, 2010, 7:02 PM

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Anyone know what the deal is with the program at CIIS? It's an MFA in Creative Writing and Consciousness. Seth, I see that it's unranked in your rankings. Does this just mean there's not enough info on the program or it's just flat out not a good place to go?

Like you said, too, it's pretty strange that UCLA doesn't offer an MFA CW, especially considering that their Extension Writing Program is so well known. I'm taking classes there now and it seems like they could keep the same faculty and become an MFA program pretty easily. Of course, they'd have to pay them more!


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Sep 10, 2010, 7:07 PM

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If what you want is networking and contacts, go to a few of the more selective workshops (Squaw Valley, Tin House, Bread Loaf, Sewanee) instead of an MFA program. Or insert yourself into the very active literary scene in the Bay Area. An MFA is a very expensive and iffy way of developing publishing contacts.


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Glinda Bamboo


Sep 10, 2010, 11:43 PM

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RE: SF MFA programs....it sounds like a low-res MFA is right up your alley. You can't move, aren't that excited about the programs in your town, don't want to give up your job...and honestly, it doesn't sound like a great idea for you to quit your job and attend a local MFA program. Apply to the top low-res programs, where you should be able to get good mentors and networking opportunities. And I say this as someone who has zero interest in low-res programs; I just think in certain cases, they are great. If I were in your shoes, that's what I'd do.

Other than that, I second pongo....try the big conferences. There are lots of opportunities out there beyond MFA programs. Good luck.


hamlet3145


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I agree with everything that Glinda Bamboo said. +1 Check out Warren Wilson, Vermont College, etc.


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jd-


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Does anybody know much about the USF MFA program? I see it has an odd summer pre session, which kind of messes things up if I were to go.

Thanks for the comments, I am still of course considering it :)

It isn't clear about the teaching component at USF, it would be nice to get an adjunct at a CC for instance afterwards.

USF is actually night classes, so it WOULD work, assuming that I got in. SF State is a day program and is farther away from me.

thanks!


jala
Marie

Sep 20, 2010, 2:16 PM

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Hi, I'm new to being here and wanted to chime in on Antioch University LA--the low res program. I completed their program in 2005 and am THRILLED that I went with them. I had a choice between Antioch, Warren Wilson and Goddard and after much deliberation, went with Antioch and have never once regretted it. They have a fantastic "cohort" style program (which my friend Joan is using now on her site www.literaryliving.com to help writers get writing in just a few easy steps) that puts students into a group that you can communicate with even when you're not in your residency period. In fact, several of us still communicate and encourage each other all these years later. The teachers are fabulous and the program allows you the flexibility of continuing with your current life while working on this degree. Also, they have a teaching add-on certificate which is great for anyone thinking of teaching college who doesn't have actual teaching experience. Thanks for reading!


H_SCAR


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Just to piggy-back I'd say go where you'd like but keep in mind that if you write a good novel that gets picked up by a good literary agency and then put out by a good publisher, then it won't matter very much which MFA program you attended. I'm referring to literary fiction and the weight that publication carries in the job market. In my experience (as a fiction writer) it's what you do with your writing--where you publish, how seriously you work at it--that matters.

Don't get me wrong: you need the MFA (or, even better, the CW PhD) for a job in academia, but it's what you accomplish that will matter most. And I do get the point that we want to learn from the best, but it's also true that the writers we think are great can be (sadly) the worst--and least helpful--teachers. I don't think we can blame them fully for it when that turns out to be the case--they're focused on writing and publishing, as should we.


charleneD


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I currently live in the Bay Area of CA and am also having trouble finding a good program that is well-funded or affordable and is well-recommended. I've heard the state schools like SF state were pretty good but have recently gone downhill because the state schools in general have gone downhilldue to budget cuts, thus making class size larger, faculty minimal, and funding very limited. I am open to leave CA if necessary but having lived in CA my whole life near big cities (grew up in LA and have lived in the Bay Area for the past 10 years) probably need to be in a liberal/progressive metropolitan area, so I've been looking in the NY area too. I like NYU's program but they don't have 100% funding and their program and cost of living is steep.

Any recommendations?
Here are my priorities:
1. Quality of program/ reputation/ supportive and structured environment/ good faculty (makes me a better writer and helps get my foot in the door)
2. Funding- either low cost tutition or well funded stipends/fellowships
3. Location (see above)- if they're in CA that would be ideal but any progressive metropolitan area would be great
4. Preparation for university teaching (I currently teach high school English but have always wanted to teach at the college/university level)

Oh and as for my background- I am unpublished and my focus would be literary fiction. I have a BA in English, CA Teaching credential in English, and MA in Education all from UC Berkeley.


trufflepuff


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Does anyone know anything about the UCSD MFA program? Just applied yesterday.

What's the atmosphere and cohort like? Is the faculty open to poetry that isn't really 'experimental'? How's the cost of living and public transport?


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If anyone wants to know what UCSD is like please message me! I went there for 4 quarters (not a good fit) but I'll try not to be biased when giving out info on the program.
I'm starting UCR this fall so if you'd like to hear about that program feel free to message me then.


writergal


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Hi all,

I'm getting ready to submit applications for the 2013 school year and wondered if folks could share their knowledge about the following programs:

UC Irvine
UC Riverside
USC
SFSU

I'm in my mid-30s, have a child, and I'm really looking for a place where I can vastly improve my writing and complete my novel. I guess I'm looking for a studio program if I had to be choosy. I also worry I'll be quite a bit older than other students, but I don't know if that fear has basis in reality.

Thanks so much for the insight and information!


ACSN


Jun 19, 2012, 4:34 AM

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You can also try this group:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/358764347492297/


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TonyB79
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Oct 20, 2013, 5:04 PM

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I'm curious about the funding situation at Irvine - I've heard it's 17k a year, but how livable is that in the greater LA area? Also, and sort of off-topic: someone mention Oregon State upthread. I've looked into their program recently and am currently planning on applying there, and they do state on their website that they are a fully funded program, though tracking down info on stipends is a bit of a slog: I believe I figured out they were around 10-11k a year.


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dahosek
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Oct 22, 2013, 2:46 PM

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17K a year means that you'll need to have at least one roommate. Housing will likely be your biggest expense. Then a car. And maybe you'll have a bit left leftover for food. Investigating freeganism would be a good idea.


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TonyB79
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Oct 23, 2013, 1:07 PM

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Freeganism?


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I guess I'm just a good man.


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Oct 23, 2013, 2:07 PM

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Scavenging free food.


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TonyB79
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Oct 23, 2013, 2:48 PM

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I once heard that was how journalists make their living these days.


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pongo
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Oct 23, 2013, 5:03 PM

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MFA graduates, too.


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writerle


Oct 23, 2013, 6:23 PM

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Isn't that just a fancy name for dumpster diving? Yuck.
I've lived in Southern California my entire life, and I wouldn't attempt to do it on $17K a year. In Irvine, you would need more than one roommate to get by on that. I don't know how much student housing is, but we lived in a cheaper area of OC than Irvine and we paid $1545 a month in rent for a 2-bedroom apartment, and that was the cheapest one we could find. I don't see how you could afford half of that on $17K a year. Definitely check student housing though, because it might be cheaper. Irvine is very expensive.


TonyB79
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Oct 23, 2013, 6:44 PM

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Thanks for the info, everyone!

While I've got you all on the line, so to speak...does anyone know anything about pursuing dual master's programs? I'm thinking of going for my master's in education as well as my mfa in writing, and wondering if some of the electives, lit courses, teaching experience and so on might be used to satisfy some of the requirements for the other.


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I guess I'm just a good man.


pongo
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Oct 23, 2013, 7:05 PM

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Goddard has a program where you can get a teaching certification with one extra semester.


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TonyB79
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Oct 23, 2013, 7:25 PM

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I'm hoping to go the full residency route.


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Oct 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

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I can't imagine doing two full-time master's programs simultaneously.

I did a low res MFA (VCFA) and the time commitment was pretty high. They expected at least 25 hours a week. And if you're doing a full residency program, you may have other commitments too if you apply for funding, which you mentioned previously. You might be teaching several courses a semester for the MFA program, and there would almost certainly be a teaching component for the master's in education too. Do you already have a teaching credential?


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Oct 23, 2013, 11:40 PM

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I was thinking more along the lines of finishing my MFA, then applying some of the composition credits, electives, and teaching hours/etc. toward requirements for an education degree. I definitely plan on at least getting a teaching licensure, so I can teach high school in addition to college courses.

I'm hoping to get into a fully funded program for the MFA; applying to about ten different schools throughout December and January. Irvine may ultimately get bumped off the list, since I doubt 17k is enough to get by on in Greater LA. Probably stick to more Midwestern and rural programs: Oregon State, Boise State, Virginia Tech, etc.


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dahosek
D. A. Hosek

Oct 24, 2013, 10:39 AM

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As a general rule, coursework for one graduate degree cannot be applied to another graduate degree. The only real exception to that is PhD programs that do not require a master's degree may reduce coursework for students with a master's degree in the same field. Grad study is very specialized.

The teaching hours that you might put in for an MFA are irrelevant for a K-12 education degree (K-12 teaching and college teaching are completely different beasts). As a matter of things making the most financial sense, if you're looking at doing K-12 teaching, get the ed degree first, then do the MFA low-res while teaching. Assuming you're teaching something vaguely relevant (English/language arts), the MFA coursework will advance you into higher tiers and improve your earnings. The other way around it does you no good at all in most schools.

That scenario, incidentally, is pretty much the only one where getting an MFA could increase your income. Most often, getting an MFA is a route to reduced earnings.


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Marta
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Nov 25, 2013, 3:27 AM

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To teach in a college one just needs an adult teaching credential, and that does not require an MF or a BA?


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Nov 25, 2013, 10:31 AM

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Marta,

Where I live, you have to have an advanced degree (post-bachelor's) with a minimum of 18 hours concentration in the courses you teach. These are the requirements to adjunct at the community colleges and the universities in the area. An MFA qualifies you to teach English comp classes, creative writing classes, business writing classes, literature classes, etc.

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Nov 25, 2013, 3:01 PM

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But there are always exceptions for geniuses. A friend of mine is a full, tenured professor (at Temple) without a college degree of any kind.


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Nov 26, 2013, 4:19 PM

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Are you talking about Samuel Delany?!


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Nov 26, 2013, 5:15 PM

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Yes.


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Jan 6, 2014, 4:52 PM

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I am joining this thread rather late but, I figured any advice is good advice.
Concerning living on 17k a year, yes it is extremely difficult, but possible. I have been living IN Los Angeles, Hollywood, North Hollywood, Encino, Burbank, for the past three years. I am assuming the living expenses are similar in Los Angeles and Irvine. I came out here a month after I graduated and I was making about 17k a year for the first two years I lived out here. I did have roommates. I did not have money for luxuries, however, being independent, I did have health insurance (including dental) gym membership, bought organic food, and the occasional recreational outing or luxury. Don't bump a prospective school off your list based off of difficulty. I think it's possible and if you want to make it work you will find a way.
I am also applying for UC Irvine.
Good Luck!!!


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Jan 6, 2014, 10:17 PM

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Having lived in both LA and the OC, my sense was that rents for comparable areas were higher in the OC than in LA. There's also not much of a middle ground in apartment buildings: There tends to be nice and expensive and crummy and cheap with little middle ground. Irvine proper is going to be expensive to live in. Santa Ana, Garden Grove and Anaheim might be the best options to look at for housing.
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writerle


Jan 7, 2014, 12:57 AM

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I think OC tends to be quite a bit higher than L.A. too. I grew up in L.A. County, but I lived in OC for 5 years (just moved away 8 months ago). The rents have been going up dramatically the past couple of years. I don't see how anyone could live on $17K a year in Irvine. I don't know of any areas in that city that are cheap. Like someone else said, Anaheim and Santa Ana are fairly close, but the apartments in those cities that are going to be cheap are going to be in very rough neighborhoods. It would be doable with a lot of roommates if you don't mind sharing a room with someone.
As a comparison, our rent in Rancho Santa Margarita (very nice area about 20 minutes south of Irvine) was $1550 for a 2-bedroom, 2-bath apartment. Ours was the cheapest complex in the city and RSM was probably the cheapest city in South OC. You could find a 2-bedroom for $1300 + a month in North OC, or a 1-bedroom for around $1100 at the very cheapest, but those would be in pretty high-crime areas.
Of course, I don't know what sort of student housing options UCI offers, but it might be worth looking into. Maybe on-campus housing would be cheaper?


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Jan 7, 2014, 10:16 AM

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We did find a nice place in Garden Grove (11750 Euclid, if you must know). The other problem is that living out of Irvine forces you to have a car which can erase any savings in rent.
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writerle


Jan 7, 2014, 11:00 AM

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I used to live on Dale Street in Garden Grove (very marginal neighborhood, but not terrible). But that was about 15 years ago. Back then, we were paying $900 for a very tiny, 900 sq. ft. house. No idea what the same house would cost now. Garden Grove does have some nice areas.

I would say in general that it's very difficult to live in So-Cal without a car. Public transportation is terrible here. If you don't live on campus, you would almost have to have a car. And even if you do live on campus, you would need one if you wanted to get pretty much anywhere else.


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Hi all!
Really useful thread. I've read a lot about SFSU, but nearly nothing on CCA, and wondered if anyone has any experience this year. I've been accepted by SFSU and CCA and don't know which one to choose. SFSU is 13,000 a year, no funding. CCA is 35,000 a year, but have offered me a renewable scholarship of 17,000 a year.
I'm really, really appealed by CCA's interdisciplinary approach (you must take visual arts classes), motto and mentoring program. Put off by the tuition fees of course, but with the scholarship it ends up as 18,000. So my question is - is the CCA program good enough to warrant paying an extra 5,000 a year?
Aah! I really don't know!! Will it be better for my later job prospects to have gone to a state uni (more competitive) rather than a 'pay your way' college? IS CCA a 'pay your way' college? Or does the quality of the teaching reflect the high cost? Will it be better for my later job prospects to have received a merit fellowship? Any comments at all on CCA would be very much appreciated.
Thanks!


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